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The Western Union Company (WU)

Q4 2021 Earnings Call· Thu, Feb 10, 2022

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Operator

Operator

Good day, and welcome to the Western Union Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2021 Results Conference Call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions] Please note that this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Brad Windbigler, Head of Treasury and Investor Relations. Brad, please go ahead.

Brad Windbigler

Analyst

Thank you. On today’s call, we will discuss the Company’s fourth quarter and full year 2021 results, our financial outlook for 2022, and then we will take your questions. The slides that accompany this call and webcast can be found at westernunion.com under the Investor Relations tab, and will remain available after the call. Additional operational statistics have been provided in supplemental tables with our press release. On our call today is our CEO, Devin McGranahan, and our CFO, Raj Agarwal. Devin McGranahan joined Western Union in late December 2021, succeeding Hikmet Ersek. As you may know before joining Western Union, Devin served as Executive Vice President and Senior Group President, Global Business Solutions at Fiserv, a global provider of payments and financial services technology solution. This call is being recorded and our comments include forward-looking statements. Please refer to the cautionary language in the earnings release and The Western Union filings with the Securities and Exchange Commissions, including the 2020, Form 10-K for additional information concerning factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from the forward-looking statements. During the call, we will discuss some items that do not conform to Generally Accepted Accounting Principles. We have reconciled those items to the most comparable GAAP measures on our website, westernunion.com, under the Investor Relations section. We will also discuss certain adjusted metrics. The expenses of that have been excluded from adjusted metrics are specific to certain initiatives. But maybe similar to the types of extensive the Company has previously incurred and can reasonably expect to incur in the future. All statements made by The Western Union officers on this call are the property of The Western Union Company and subject to copyright protection. Other that the replay noted in our press release, Western Union has not authorized and disclaims responsibility for any recording, replay, or distribution of any transcription of this call. I will now turn the call over to our CEO, Devin McGranahan.

Devin McGranahan

Analyst

Thank you, Brad. Good afternoon, everyone. We appreciate you joining us today to discuss our fourth quarter 2021 financial results. As all of you know, this is my inaugural Western Union earnings call. I’m very happy to be here and to have the opportunity to talk with you about my initial thoughts, 45 days into the job. Given my background in payments and financial services technology, I’m quickly getting up to speed and learning about the uniqueness of Western Union as a business. I’m excited about being in a consumer facing business with strong operations, a global footprint, and an amazing brand. These are assets we can build upon. In the short time that I’ve been here, I’ve begun to develop some hypotheses about where we might take the business that I will share later in this call. But before we go there, let’s look at our fourth quarter, and the full year of 2021 results. I shared in our earnings press release, Western Union had a solid fourth quarter, leading to strong profitability. For the full year, constant currency revenues were up 4.5% to $5.1 billion, with strong performance from our digital platform and our Western Union Business Solutions. Nevertheless, we did see a slowing of top line growth as the year progressed, and we see this continuing as we move into the first quarter of 2022. For the fourth quarter, our results were similar to what we saw in the third quarter of 2021. The digital business has generated strong growth, while our retail business declined due to uneven economic recovery negatively impacting our customers. As you know, labor force participation is an important driver of our retail business. And while there have been small improvements in labor force participation, we remain below pre-pandemic trend. In addition, although…

Raj Agarwal

Analyst

Thank you, Devin and good afternoon everyone. Today I will discuss our fourth quarter results and 2022 financial outlook. I will focus my comments primarily on the fourth quarter. The similar information for the full year can be found in our press release and the attached financial schedules. Fourth quarter revenue of $1.3 billion increased 1% on a reported basis or 2% on a constant currency basis. Currency translation, net of the impact from hedges reduced fourth quarter revenues by approximately $15 million compared to the prior year. In the C2C segment revenue declined 1% on a reported basis and was also slightly negative on a constant currency basis. C2C transactions were flat compared to the same period in the prior year. While digital money transfer continued strong transaction trend with 17% growth in the fourth quarter which was offset by a decline in retail money transfer. Total C2C cross-border principal growth accelerated to 5% on both the reported and constant currency basis, primarily due to growth in digital money transfer. Total C2C principal per transaction or PPT was up 4% on a reported and constant currency basis driven by mix and changes in consumer behavior. Digital money transfer revenues, which include wu.com and digital partnerships, increased 13% on a reported basis or 12% constant currency. Our digital money transfer business again achieved a quarterly high in transactions revenue and principal. Wu.com revenue grew 9% on a reported and constant currency basis on transaction growth of 6%. Wu.com cross-border revenue was up 12% in the quarter. Moving to regional results. In the fourth quarter North America revenue increased 2% on both a reported and constant currency basis on transaction declines of 2%. Revenue growth was supported by solid US outbound trends partially offset by US to Cuba due regulations limiting…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Tien Tsin Huang from JP Morgan. Please ask your question.

Tien Tsin Huang

Analyst

Hi, thanks. Appreciate the update. Devin welcome to the call. I guess, I’ll kick it off and ask you, Devin, I know appreciate your initial insights here and look forward to learning more. I heard the concept of strong brand and consumer tech platform. So I’m curious if you’ve thought about benchmarking growth and margins and thoughts on balancing new customer growth versus ARPU expansion because I did hear a little bit about product. So I don’t know if you’ve thought about some of those big picture things. I’d love to hear your thoughts on those if you don’t mind?

Devin McGranahan

Analyst

Tien Tsin thanks for the call or the question. It’s great to be on the call. We are clearly going through a end-to-end strategy review process. We’re looking at our business across markets and across market opportunities. You highlighted an important idea, which is what is the value of our customers and the power of our customer acquisition engine which is quite strong given the billion dollar revenue digital business that has been built over the last couple of years. And then, how do we think about ARPU and potentially expanding those relationships relative to this digital acquisition engine that we have built. That is all work that is underway. And as you heard in my comments, I believe, given the relationship that we have with our customers, the trust that they place in our brand, and we do have opportunities to expand that product set and ARPU on a going forward basis. I look forward to coming back to you both on the next call and back in September, October timeframe with more detail about how we might do that, and what the implications will be longer term for our growth.

Tien Tsin Huang

Analyst

Terrific, no good. So it’s good to get a little bit of sneak preview there. So maybe my follow up for you Raj, just thinking about the year and digital versus traditional retail, I heard the Walmart and some of the agent ramping, that should help the second half. Anything you can share on outlook between those two channels, traditional versus digital?

Raj Agarwal

Analyst

Yes, Tien Tsin, it’s nice to speak with you. As I mentioned, we see the growth being better in the second half, in both channels, we should see a progression. First quarter is likely to be the lowest for digital specifically as you may recall, one year ago in the first quarter of 2021, we grew in the mid 40% range. So we’re going to have a tougher comp in the first quarter of this year. And that’s why you’re going to see lower digital growth. We expect digital could be in the double-digit range this year, but it’s going to be lower in the first quarter. And then retail, given the exit rates that we had last year, which was negative, we expect that to be the case again in the early part of the year, but then ramping up as some of these other initiatives gain hold, like Walmart, like the other agent signings and other initiatives that we have going on. So that’s why we see more of a ramp up during the course of the year.

Tien Tsin Huang

Analyst

Good. Thank you both.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes to us from Darrin Peller from Wolfe Research. Please ask your question.

Darrin Peller

Analyst

Hi, thanks, guys. Devin, nice to have you on the call and I look forward to connecting more. Guys, when we look at the digital opportunity in terms of where you think it can get to as a percentage of your C2C mix, I think there’s just a great level of looking for understanding on what you think it could really reach and what kind of implications that could have on the model, both margins and growth potentially over time as retail levels off, set another way, where do we expect to see the retail side leveling off where there’s just enough consumers that may not either be banked or may really rely on the cash ecosystem or maybe you can just start there with some thoughts?

Devin McGranahan

Analyst

Darrin, it’s Devin, thanks for the question. In the short time that I’ve been sitting in this seat, there is a powerful correlation I’m starting to see between our digital business and our retail business. As you know, from previous commentary, a high percentage of our transactions that start digitally end up as a cash out somewhere in the world. So I think as we look at this picture, and we look at what we can do with the digital customer acquisition engine, the expansion of a set of products and services that can be delivered, both digitally and potentially physically through our network is where we’re looking to take the company. And I would start thinking about the combo of our digital and our retail business and what can that do to drive the overall company in a more integrated fashion potentially, then we might have talked about it in the past. Raj?

Raj Agarwal

Analyst

I think that’s right. With the digital banking initiative that is now live in Europe, the digital banking platform in the multicurrency payments wallet, I think those are additional opportunities that are outside of the direct remittance space for us to add more to the digital opportunity overall for the company. And we’ve gone a long way, Darrin, just in the last two or three years where last year our business was about 24% of our consumer revenues, and that’s from mid-teens probably a couple of years ago. So it’s gone quite far, quite fast. And our objective is to try to drive that even further over the next couple of years.

Darrin Peller

Analyst

That’s helpful. Just one quick follow up guys. I mean, as we kick off the year with valuations having certainly reset across the market and in the private side of the world. Your proceeds coming in from the sale, can you give us more color on your thought process on capital allocation going forward from here? There M&A buybacks or other.

Raj Agarwal

Analyst

Yes, I mean, you saw from the announcement today, Darrin that we announced the next quarterly dividend, which we’re very pleased with that’s going to be a significant use of our cash this year, the dividends. We also announced a three-year buyback program for a billion dollars. So we’re very excited about that. So you can see that we’re continuing the pattern of things that we’ve had, historically. With respect to the proceeds from the business sale is this provision sale we want to retain flexibility on how we’re going to use those. That’s reflected in our outlook this year with the impact on EPS. We really do want to go through the strategy evaluation process that Devin mentioned that now we’re going through the next several months and take a fresh look at what opportunities might be there for us to display those proceeds in a more strategic manner. So that’s really our objective. Devin if you want to add to that?

Devin McGranahan

Analyst

I would reiterate Raj’s comments that we have launched a robust strategic review process. We would like to retain the flexibility as we go through that process. I anticipate us having a pretty good view by mid-year on what that would look like and one of the great attributes of this business is its ability to generate strong cash flow. So this will, fortunately be a problem that we continue to struggle with, if that’s appropriate. But we will continue to be disciplined allocators of capital and we promised to do the same with the Western Union Business Solutions proceeds.

Darrin Peller

Analyst

Thanks, guys.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes to us from Vasu Govil from KBW. Please ask your question.

Devin McGranahan

Analyst

Yes, we can hear you.

Vasu Govil

Analyst

Thank you for taking my question. And again, nice to talk to you, Devin. And I guess my first question for you, you just talked about leveraging the Western Union brand beyond cross-border remittance. And I know the digital banking strategy is obviously a part of it. But maybe you can elaborate a little bit more on what are some of the areas or use cases that you see as a matter of extension for Western Union?

Devin McGranahan

Analyst

Great question, as you know the company was down the path before my arrival as evidenced by the launch of the bank in terms of expanding the financial ecosystem and the products and services we can bring to our client base. Obviously, in the near-term, those will be more financially services related with the addition of a wallet capability and a deposit banking capability. We can collect and hold funds. We’ve started issuing debit cards in some places in the world that will become a revenue stream for us as well. We are looking at opportunities that fit well with our customer base whether that be things like offering earned early waged access, or the ability to provide people with alternative payment types in solutions, maybe now even buy now, pay later types of solutions in certain parts of the world. That is the strategy work that is underway to understand given our core customer base, our capabilities and platforms, which of those kinds of products and ideas resonate and we have confidence that we could deliver into the marketplace successfully. We will be back to you with more clarity and distinct ideas that we intend to pursue, both in the latter half of this year, but more importantly into 2023 and 2024.

Vasu Govil

Analyst

Great and just as my follow up, my question was around Cryptocurrency and Stablecoins that is something that frequently comes up in our discussions with investors as a potential disruption threat to the money remittance industry. So maybe you can share your thoughts and if that is something you can incorporate into your strategy going forward?

Devin McGranahan

Analyst

Great question. One of our core strategy work streams is indeed around Cryptocurrency but more importantly, around Blockchain technology. It offers both, as you suggest potentially a threat, although we could have a longer conversation about that, but also an opportunity. So we are looking at and considering ways in which we can participate and what I’ll call the crypto economy, leveraging our very strong compliance and risk management capabilities, have a belief that as the world evolves and crypto becomes more of an accepted form of transaction, the kinds of things that we are very good at ensuring KYC, ensuring risk and compliance management across different regulatory regimes in the world can be very valuable to any offer we develop, but more importantly, potentially to the offer of others who could leverage our platform and capabilities. So it’s obviously a robust area that we will continue to explore. And again, we will be back with further ideas later in the year.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes to us from Ashwin Shirvaikar from Citi. Please ask your question.

Ashwin Shirvaikar

Analyst

Can you hear me?

Devin McGranahan

Analyst

Yes.

Ashwin Shirvaikar

Analyst

Hi, Devin. Hi, Raj. How are you guys and Devin welcome to the call. My first question for you, Devin, you had a preliminary look at what you inherited and I completely appreciate it’s too early to provide any specifics, but do you have a view with regards to whether you’re going to primarily go towards what I would call incremental investments and adjustments? Is this a situation that might require maybe a bigger slug of investment to kind of kick start a major transformation?

Devin McGranahan

Analyst

Ashwin, thank you for the question. In the near-term we have a $4 billion cost base. I see real opportunities for us both to prioritize within that cost base, as well as to create efficiency and effectiveness on how and where we spend our money. So at least in the short-term, there is the ability for us to invest in the initiatives that we’ve laid out and talked about on this call. And we’ll be coming back with broader perspectives if we have ideas that require us working outside of that box.

Ashwin Shirvaikar

Analyst

Got it. And digital bank update. It’s good to hear of the successful pilot, but maybe I can push that a little further and ask what are some of the learnings or parameters that led you to conclude that it was successful, maybe provide some color with regards to next steps?

Devin McGranahan

Analyst

Ashwin, it’s exceptionally early days, having just concluded the pilot and launched commercially. But there’s a couple of important concepts that have encouraged us and we will continue to push on. The first is, the platform is a wallet based platform, which allows us to move to an account or a customer specific view. It allows us to converse and manage those customer relationships differently than we can on our largely transaction based platform. And it opens up our ability per earlier comments in this call to bring additional products and services to that customer via that digital platform. So the combination of moving to customer oriented technology architecture, and giving ourselves the flexibility to bring new products and services encourages us that this is the direction we’ll be moving.

Ashwin Shirvaikar

Analyst

Got it. Good to hear. I wish you all the best.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes to us from Ken Suchoski from Autonomous. Please ask your question.

Ken Suchoski

Analyst

Hi, good afternoon, everyone. Thanks for taking the questions. And I want to echo the welcome to Devin. So look forward to working with you going forward. Devin, maybe we could start with you, a question for you. You mentioned very strong cash flow margins came in better this quarter. I mean, you obviously had an opportunity to look at the business. Could you talk about your appetite to take on more risks around investment and trying new things out where maybe you’re willing to sacrifice some short-term profitability for faster growth? We’d love to get your thoughts on that.

Devin McGranahan

Analyst

Ken, it’s a great question. As we look at the business, I think we are initially focused on how can we drive the business, particularly in ways that are relatively recognizable to us. So how do we increase our ability to acquire customers on our digital platform which to your commentary will likely require us to increase the marketing dollars that we are allocating. I feel comfortable though, within the parameters that we have laid out in terms of our guidance, we can achieve that and start to accelerate things like our digital customer acquisition and things like the rollout of our digital wallet in our bank. As we explore broader ideas that could have bigger implications on the go-forward growth rate, we will be back to you on what the implications of that might be from a go-forward margin look, as well as from a go-forward capital requirement look.

Ken Suchoski

Analyst

Great. And maybe just for my follow up question, just on the digital side, it looks like the transaction growth for the wu.com business and the digital business slowed during the quarter. Can you guys just talk about what’s driving that? And I’m curious, what kind of visibility do you have into the growth of that business going forward? Thank you.

Raj Agarwal

Analyst

Yes Ken let me take that one. It’s primarily a result of just growing over tougher comparisons from the previous year. We had very strong growth, as you know, during the course of 2020, and into the early part of last year. And so that’s really one of the key drivers. As I mentioned, in some of my other commentary, the first quarter of this year is going to see some of that impacts as well. We had very high growth in the first quarter of 2021 in the mid 40% range from a revenue standpoint, we’re very confident about the longer term trajectory around digital and what it can become. But we’re going to have to sort of grow into it during the course of this year, and the underlying characteristics of our digital business have not changed. So we’re comfortable with that. And as I mentioned, we still expect to grow double-digits in the digital business this year.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes to us from David Togut from Evercore. Please ask your question.

David Togut

Analyst

Thank you, and congratulations, Devin, look forward to meeting you in person sometime soon. You’ve highlighted an increased focus on repeat business. Have you started to think through initiatives to drive more repeat business, for example, rewards, anything to encourage sort of repeat customer buying?

Devin McGranahan

Analyst

David, in the short 45 days that I’ve been here, a couple of things that we’ve started to talk about and to accelerate the rollout of. In addition to the rollout of our wallet based technology that we are doing right now in Germany and Romania, we are putting forward a refresh of our core Western Union digital platform. We will be piloting and launching that as we speak with hopefully a go-live before the end of the first quarter. We expect that to help us increase both transaction throughput, but also loyalty and return to customers. We are revising our existing WesternUnion.com loyalty program and we’re investing in that as a potential retentive device. And then as mentioned earlier, we are investing in our CRM technology and our ability to move from a transaction based platform to a customer orientation, which will again allow us to go back to customers who haven’t transacted in a while, to do customer specific offers, to entice people to come back to our platform. So there’s a couple of avenues that we’re going down that I think can and will bear fruit over time.

David Togut

Analyst

Thanks for that, just as a follow up. You’ve indicated that some of your customers still remain pretty hard hit financially by the pandemic and you call the hospitality industry? Have you started to review Western Union’s pricing from a competitive standpoint and whether or not some reduction in price would lead to an attractive increase in volume?

Raj Agarwal

Analyst

Yes, let me start with that one. I would say, David, that our pricing environment continues to be stable on a global macro basis as we look at it. As we’ve mentioned before we have 20,000, corridors and/or country pairs, and we’re always moving, pricing up and down, depending on the specific local situation and/or in the different channels. But on a global macro basis, there seems to be a fair amount of stability and obviously, we’re going to be proactive and do what we need to do to try to drive transaction but as in some of the most competitive quarters were very price competitive and others, we may not need to be that price competitive. So we really need to look at it on a quarter by quarter basis but we don’t see a significant change in the overall pricing environment, nor significant need to do anything too dramatic.

David Togut

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes to us from Cassie Chan from Bank of America. Please ask your question.

Cassie Chan

Analyst

Hi, can you hear me?

Raj Agarwal

Analyst

Yes.

Cassie Chan

Analyst

Hi, this is Cassie on for Jason Kupferberg. Thanks for taking my question. So I first wanted to ask on margins. I know, you guys touched upon it on your, like prepared remarks. But they were obviously very strong in 4Q, looks like they’re going to be down year-over-year based on the 21% to 22% outlook you guys provided for next year. I guess, like, what were the factors impacting it in this quarter? And can you kind of help us bridge that with your outlook for next year? I know you guys, some of it is sounds like Business Solutions being taken out, but just help us, just like call out any other factors that we should be aware of? Thanks.

Devin McGranahan

Analyst

Yes, Cassie, nice to speak with you. It really is the factors that I mentioned. So in the fourth quarter, we had very strong growth, again, in the B2B business, and that business has a relatively higher fixed cost base. So every incremental dollar revenue has a large contribution to the profit line. We also had, a very positive impact from foreign exchange, it was in the range of 70 to 80 basis points, positive impact in the fourth quarter, and then just overall expense management. So that’s why you saw higher margins in the fourth quarter. Most of those things go away as we go into this year, particularly in the first quarter. But what I would just say is, if you look at it 2021 to 2022, the business, the outlook we’ve given for this year of 21% to 22% margins is very similar to the outlook we gave last year, if you put aside these one-off type of items and the impacts from Business Solutions and FX . So it’s in that same range is what we had last year. So, not a big change in terms of what the business can achieve.

Cassie Chan

Analyst

Got it. Okay, that’s helpful. And then just like second question, I just want to ask if there were any, like country specific dynamics that we should be aware of in any of your key quarters. So I know you guys have talked about Cuba, you’re probably not really baking anything in your outlook, but just any other dynamics that you could share with us? Thanks.

Devin McGranahan

Analyst

Right. We have not built in anything for Cuba. We’re hopeful that can be turned on at some point. But there’s no specific timing around that. But nothing else to really call out. I think we gave you some color around the different regions. So nothing specific to call out Cassie.

Cassie Chan

Analyst

Alright, thanks, guys.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes to us from Jenny Friedman from Susquehanna. Please ask your question.

Jenny Friedman

Analyst

Hi, Devin, pleasure to meet you. It’s great to get a fresh set of eyes on the business. My questions are a little bit more financial, I apologize. But, Raj, should we anticipate any stranded costs? I’m not sure if you said that. I heard you say something about 25 million. But anyway, that’s one thing related to disposition and then assessed by Sec-1 [ph] at the same time, which is, in your answer to the last question Raj, you had also called out a couple other things impacted the margin like commission mix and agent losses. And, I don’t remember you talking about those that much in the past. So just hopefully can elaborate a bit? Thank you.

Raj Agarwal

Analyst

Yes. Let me start with the second one first, Jenny. The agent losses were lower in the fourth quarter compared to one-year ago, we had some higher agent losses in the fourth quarter of 2020. So that was certainly from a year-over-year standpoint that was a factor. Commissions have been trending down. So variable costs were lower in 2021 compared to the previous year. So those are true. And with respect to stranded costs, we will have some stranded costs if you look at the segment results for the B2B business, versus what I said it implies stranded costs in the range of $10 million or less and so we are working to try to eliminate some of those costs and we have some activities potentially in place that will take out some of those costs. So, it’s not a significant number, Jenny, but it is something that we want to try to address.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes to us from Ramsey El-Assal from Barclays. Please ask your question.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Good. evening, gentlemen, this is Damien on for Ramsey. Appreciate the question. So I’m hoping you can give an update on the account-to-account and the cash-to-account businesses. How does that fit into your broader digital strategy? And if you see that being a more important piece of business overtime?

Devin McGranahan

Analyst

Hi, its Devin here, let me just comment, and then I’ll turn it over to Raj. Clearly in a growing digital ecosystem, and an aspiration to be a broader payments provider and payments facilitator for our customers and on behalf of our partners, the account-to-account plays an important role. The company has invested significantly in our account payout network. I believe we are somewhere around 4 billion endpoints. Raj can verify that which gives us a strategic platform and capability that I see us being able to leverage for growth. As I mentioned in my earlier comments, we should not diminish though, particularly for certain corridors and certain parts of the world, the ability in a send country to originate a digital transaction that then gets delivered as a cash out in fiat currency someplace in the world. And that is actually one of the benefits and strengths of our ecosystem is to be enabled to, continue to enable those kinds of transactions as different parts of the world move at different paces towards payment digitization. Raj?

Raj Agarwal

Analyst

Yes, the business that’s purely account-to-account, as we had mentioned, last quarter, it is running at around $200 million annually, that includes any digitally initiated transactions that are paid out to an account, and is one of the fastest growing parts of our consumer business. So we’re very excited about that. But there’s a lot more that we can do there to keep driving activity in that space.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Very helpful guys. Appreciate it. I’ll ask one follow up here. And I’ll pick up on the Cassie’s questions here about geography, so I just want to dig in on potential implications and its early days that implications of the current political, geopolitical risk in Eastern Europe? Is this something that we should be mindful of that might have a material impact on your business? Thanks.

Devin McGranahan

Analyst

Look, we’re very focused on that. We’re certainly aware of the issues there in Russia and what that might mean. It’s mostly not under our control. We certainly have a great business that’s going to it’s both an inbound and an outbound business in Russia as you heard, we’ve renewed our relationship with Sber and we’re very happy with that relationship. So we’re certainly monitoring the situation. I can tell you that it’s not our top 10, not in our top 10 markets, but it’s very important to us. And just to give you a sense, there’s no single market, that’s more than 7% of our revenues outside the US and Russia is on the smaller side of that scale. But it’s very important to us, obviously and we’re certainly monitoring, we’re hopeful that we can get through this situation without any significant impact, but we’re monitoring the situation.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Thanks so much, gentlemen.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes to us from Andrew Jeffrey from Truist. Please ask your question.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Great. Sorry can you hear me okay?

Devin McGranahan

Analyst

Yes, we can.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Alright, yes. Hi, this is Joel on for Andrew Jeffrey. I just had one question. I was wondering if you could just provide a little bit of additional color related to LTV, CAC for new digital customers, kind of just in terms of how we should think about quantifying that and any expectations you’re going to have for customer acquisition going forward? I know you mentioned some acceleration in marketing spend towards the back half 2022. But that would just be helpful.

Devin McGranahan

Analyst

Yes, thanks for the question. One of the things that I was pleasantly surprised on is the strength of our digital acquisition engine. And to-date, our ability to cost effectively acquire clients, it is one of the reasons that I believe there is room for us to continue to expand our marketing acquisition efforts and to be able to do so in a value creating manner. So I’m excited about the prospect. I think it’s something that we are going to be looking towards as an area to help drive our digital growth. Raj?

Raj Agarwal

Analyst

Yes I think you covered it Devin and it’s an opportunity for us and that’s a key area of opportunity to keep investing in.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Thanks a lot.

Brad Windbigler

Analyst

Operator, do we have any other questions?

Operator

Operator

There are no additional questions at this time.

Brad Windbigler

Analyst

Great. Thank you everyone for joining.

Operator

Operator

Thank you for joining today’s fourth quarter and full year 2021 earnings call. Have a great day.