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Xylem Inc. (XYL)

Q3 2016 Earnings Call· Tue, Nov 1, 2016

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Operator

Operator

Welcome to the Xylem Third Quarter 2016 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants have been placed on a listen-only mode, and the floor will be open for your questions following the presentation. I would now like to turn the call over to Phil De Sousa, Vice President of Investor Relations.

Phil De Sousa - Xylem, Inc.

Management

Thanks, Crystal. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to Xylem's third quarter 2016 earnings conference call. With me today are Chief Executive Officer, Patrick Decker; and Chief Financial Officer, Mark Rajkowski. They will provide their perspective on Xylem's third quarter 2016 results and discuss the full-year outlook for 2016 as well. Following our prepared remarks, we will address questions related to the information covered on the call. In order to have enough time to address everyone on the call, I'll ask that you please keep to one question and a follow-up and then return to the queue. We anticipate that today's call will last approximately one hour. As a reminder, this call and our webcast are accompanied by a slide presentation available in the Investors section of our website at www.xyleminc.com. Also, a replay of today's call will be available until midnight, December 6. Please note the replay number is, 800-585-8367 and the confirmation code is 29494780. Additionally, the call will be available for playback via the Investors section of our website under the heading Presentations. Now, please turn to slide 2. We will make some forward-looking statements on today's call, including references to future events or development that we anticipate will or may occur in the future. These statements are subject to future risks and uncertainties, such as those factors described in Xylem's most recent Annual Report on Form 10-K and in subsequent reports filed with the SEC. Please note that the company undertakes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements publicly to reflect subsequent events or circumstances, and actual events or results could differ materially from those anticipated. With that said, please turn to slide 3 for a few key notes regarding today's presentation. First, I'd like to highlight that we have provided you with a summary of our key performance metrics we reported earlier this morning in our release. This includes both GAAP and non-GAAP metrics. For purposes of today's call, all references will be on an adjusted basis unless otherwise indicated and non-GAAP financials have been reconciled for you and are included in the Appendix section of the presentation. Additionally, please note that references to 2016 metrics include the financial impact attributable to previously announced acquisitions and have been adjusted to exclude non-recurring transaction costs. Now, please turn to slide 4. And I'll turn the call over to our CEO, Patrick Decker.

Patrick K. Decker - Xylem, Inc.

Management

Thanks, Phil, and good morning, everyone. Thanks for joining us to discuss our third quarter performance. Today marks a significant new chapter for Xylem. Yesterday, October 31, was the fifth anniversary of Xylem spinning out of ITT and embarking on its journey as a new company. We've evolved since that day and made substantial progress creating significant value for our shareholders. So, today, on the first day of our sixth year, we began as a larger, stronger and more focused enterprise. We have a clear long-term strategy that we laid out last year at Investor Day. One of which is Xylem becomes the definitive market leader and a leading provider of advanced technologies and integrated solutions across the water sector to drive long-term growth, margin expansion and value creation. We know where we want to take this company, and we're making meaningful progress and executing those plans. I'm pleased what our team's accomplished, but I know we're still in the early innings. This morning, we announced we've successfully completed our acquisition of Sensus, a global leader in smart meters, network technologies and advanced data analytics. As I explained in August, this business is squarely aligned with our strategy of becoming a leading provider of systems intelligent solutions to our customers, which we laid out at our Investor Day last year. Their portfolio includes a type of advanced technologies that are fueling the transition of the water sector to smart infrastructure. The transaction closing process was smooth with no unexpected hurdles in the various regulatory reviews. Our highly successful debt offering, it was 10 times oversubscribed, was a sign of great confidence in Xylem and in this transaction. Our teams did a great job all around in bringing this deal to a prompt close. Now we're focused on accelerating the integration…

E. Mark Rajkowski - Xylem, Inc.

Management

Thanks, Patrick. Organic revenues were flat in the quarter. We generated a point of growth from acquisitions, which was offset by currency impacts. We had another quarter of strong growth in public utilities, which help mitigate increasing softness in the industrial end markets. Looking at our end markets in more detail, the outstanding growth we've seen in public utility continued for the fifth consecutive quarter. Globally, we grew at 10% in this sector during the third quarter, reflecting our leadership position and ongoing strong execution in which we are capturing share and delivering value to our customers. Revenues also grew 2% in both commercial and residential building services in the quarter. Offsetting the growth in these end markets was a 7% decline in our industrial markets, including softer than expected revenues in our dewatering and analytics businesses. I'll cover these challenges further in my overview of our segment performance. Regionally, Western Europe grew 3% in the third quarter with modest growth across most of our businesses and end markets. The U.S. market was up 1%, as strong performance in public utilities was largely offset by weakness in the industrial markets. Our emerging market results were mixed. Overall, we saw a 4% decline in the quarter, which included a tough prior-year comparison of 9% growth. Our Middle East business declined 28% during the quarter reflecting both the timing of large prior-year project deliveries as well as a further slowdown in the region. China was down 4% year-over-year and in line with our expectations. We're encouraged by the quarter sequential improvement in revenues and orders as well as positive year-over-year growth in our Water Infrastructure segment, reflecting what we believe is a slow but steady recovery in this market. India was a bright spot, delivering strong growth up 67% driven primarily by…

Patrick K. Decker - Xylem, Inc.

Management

Thanks, Mark. We're updating our full year revenue guidance and now expect to generate revenue of approximately $3.8 billion for the full year. This reflects a few changes. First, we're lowering our full-year organic growth expectation from what was previously a 2% to 3% range, to 1.5%, to reflect both our third quarter performance and changes to certain end market assumptions, which I'll cover more detail in the next slide. This reduction includes nearly a full point decline due to weaker conditions in the Middle East. Secondly, we're updating our top line guidance to reflect greater-than-expected foreign exchange headwinds. Lastly, we are incorporating the expected contribution from the Sensus acquisition. This includes a $140 million revenue that we expect this business to generate in November and December. Along with the transactions we announced earlier this year, we now expect acquisitions to add approximately 5% of revenue growth to our full-year 2016 performance. Following another quarter of strong execution and productivity delivered by our team and anticipated contributions in the fourth quarter, we're forecasting full-year operating margin of 13.4% including 50 basis points of dilution attributable to acquisitions. Excluding the acquisition dilution, our operating margin is expected to increase 100 basis points over the prior year. As I mentioned earlier, we're maintaining our previous EPS midpoint of $2.03, while narrowing our EPS guidance range of $2.02 to $2.04. Our new guidance reflects the net impact of the Sensus acquisition, offset by $0.01 of unfavorable foreign exchange translation in addition to other volume and cost savings adjustments. Mark will provide more color on these impacts in a few minutes. Now please turn to slide 11 and I'll walk you through the update to our end market assumptions for 2016. Beginning with public utility at 33% total revenue before the impact of Sensus'…

E. Mark Rajkowski - Xylem, Inc.

Management

Thanks, Patrick. Before I cover the outlook, I'd like to spend a couple minutes highlighting the benefits of our continuous improvement in business simplification programs, including the improvements we're making to the experience our customers and channel partners have when doing business with Xylem. Our ability to operate our business in a more aligned fashion with improved processes and by leveraging our global scale is a significant opportunity for us at Xylem. For example, our centralized global procurement organization was formed less than two years ago, and today, is delivering savings and improved supplier quality in terms at a significantly higher level of performance. After posting record savings of $64 million last year, the team is well on its way to delivering $80 million in 2016, representing a 25% year-over-year improvement. Procurement savings have provided 200 basis points of operating margin expansion over the first three quarters and are expected to drive nearly 260 basis points in the fourth quarter of this year. Lean and Six Sigma are also gaining traction this year as we build more capability throughout the organization. This will be a significant value creation tool for years to come. As for this year, we anticipate completing more than 100 kaizen events, which will provide approximately $35 million in full-year savings. We anticipate an acceleration in savings from these activities as we close out the year given the increased velocity of our kaizen events as well as the leverage from higher fourth quarter volume. Beyond cost savings, this program is meaningfully improving the speed and service performance with our customers. For example, year-to-date, our on-time delivery has improved by 400 basis points while also enabling us to reduce customer lead times. We also expect to see an increase in cost savings attributable to our business simplification activities.…

Patrick K. Decker - Xylem, Inc.

Management

Thanks, Mark. So, overall, we continue to deliver on the investment thesis we unveiled at our Investor Day last fall. We continue to benefit from differentiated end market exposure and are delivering above market growth in the public utility sector. Our strong and sustained commitment to continuous improvement and business simplification efforts is driving margin expansion. And we are accelerating capital deployment to create greater shareholder value. Now, operator, we can open it up to questions.

Operator

Operator

The floor is now open for your questions. Thank you. Your first question comes from the line of Jim Giannakouros with Oppenheimer. Jim Giannakouros - Oppenheimer & Co., Inc. (Broker): Hi. Good morning.

Patrick K. Decker - Xylem, Inc.

Management

Hey, good morning. Jim Giannakouros - Oppenheimer & Co., Inc. (Broker): Let me start with, I guess, the big one, news yesterday that a large asset in your world is becoming available. You mentioned in your prepared remarks that debt repayments is the priority. Does that – and integrating Sensus preclude doing anything big on the M&A front, and how big would you go?

Patrick K. Decker - Xylem, Inc.

Management

Yeah. Well, thanks for the question, Jim. First of all, we clearly don't comment on speculation on transactions, et cetera. I will say that our number one focus right now is to deliver on our full-year commitments here in the fourth quarter, make sure that we're well positioned to deliver another strong year in 2017. And all that, of course, includes a very successful integration of Sensus, which we're very excited about. So, I keep my comments to that. Jim Giannakouros - Oppenheimer & Co., Inc. (Broker): Fair enough. If I can follow up on specifically what you're seeing in dewatering. I know that some reads are stabilizing in upstream, anything that's tied to rig counts, et cetera. But you guys are saying that headwinds may persist into next year. Curious if there's anything specific to dewatering. And how should we be thinking about the margin implications for (39:40) as well as analytics? Thanks.

Patrick K. Decker - Xylem, Inc.

Management

Sure. Yeah. No. Great question. So, pardon my cold here. So, I think that we're not seeing anything different, I would say, from our peers or others in the space as it relates to a more dour view on the impact of oil and gas. I think we're just trying to be, quite frankly, we're trying to be conservative here as best we can on what the outlooks could be. This is a fairly short cycle business for us in dewatering. And so, it's kind of hand-to-mouth in terms of what rental rates are, et cetera. What we really saw in the quarter that was a bit more of a surprise for us, was the pull back by our distributors in terms of them buying pumps from us. So cutting back on their capital spend. And when speaking to them, trying to get a feel for how much of that is a near-term blip versus a new baseline and it's very difficult for them to get a read right now on the markets themselves. So, we're saying it carries through 2017, but that's our best guess at this stage. But I would say there's nothing unique about our position in the space relative to others.

E. Mark Rajkowski - Xylem, Inc.

Management

Yeah. And certainly those are higher margin product sales. So, as I mentioned in my comments, we would expect that to have roughly 30-basis-point impact on operating margins.

Patrick K. Decker - Xylem, Inc.

Management

Yeah. And lastly I would say is, the team in dewatering, they're not exclusively tagged to oil and gas or mining. There is a very healthy mini market out there as well. And I know that Dave Flinton who leads the business, he and the team are driving aggressively to diversify our exposure in that business to capture some of those non-oil and gas opportunities, but those are not quick turn, things that happen within a month or two and that's what we're really focusing on as we head into 2017. Jim Giannakouros - Oppenheimer & Co., Inc. (Broker): Thank you. That's helpful. I'll get back in queue.

E. Mark Rajkowski - Xylem, Inc.

Management

Sure. Thanks, Jim.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Deane Dray with RBC Capital Markets.

Deane Dray - RBC Capital Markets LLC

Analyst · Deane Dray with RBC Capital Markets

Thank you. Good morning, everyone.

E. Mark Rajkowski - Xylem, Inc.

Management

Good morning, Deane.

Patrick K. Decker - Xylem, Inc.

Management

Hi, Deane.

Deane Dray - RBC Capital Markets LLC

Analyst · Deane Dray with RBC Capital Markets

Hey, would like to dig a little bit into the Water Infrastructure. It was nice to see continued strength in municipal. But one of the things that jumped out at me was some of the weakness in analytical. And a lot of people might think that's pretty resilient. So what's causing some of the softness there?

Patrick K. Decker - Xylem, Inc.

Management

Yeah. I mean, I would say first, Deane, it was the industrial side of the analytic exposure that we got hit the hardest with and we saw that consistent with a couple of our bigger competitors, the same kind of market downturn. And it was also very concentrated in North America here in the U.S. I'd say, U.S. industrial was the primary impact. And then, we had a reasonably large project that we shipped out to Brazil, couple million dollars last year. So that was about a half of the decline that we saw with that tough compare on that large one-time Brazil project.

Deane Dray - RBC Capital Markets LLC

Analyst · Deane Dray with RBC Capital Markets

Great. And then, I liked all the color on the productivity initiative that you've got going on. Could you remind us where the goal is in terms of operating margin upside?

Patrick K. Decker - Xylem, Inc.

Management

Yeah. So, and again this is all separate from the impact since it has for us, which should be additive to what we're talking about here. And we'll talk about the framework for Sensus further and the timing around when we'll give kind of new three-year and five-year outlook for the company, but our base business of Xylem, excluding Sensus, we believe that there is 300 basis points to 400 basis points of operating margin expansion. And that is net of potential increases in R&D investment. Now, those investments in R&D will not be as steep as they were before because of the acquisition of Sensus, and we'll leveraging their capabilities and investing a bit more in that area, but it was 300 basis points to 400 basis points. And I'm pleased to say, Deane, that, where we're guiding to the full year, if you take out the impacts of the purchase accounting from acquisitions, we will have delivered right at 100 basis points of that margin expansion this year. So, I feel we're well on our way here and still in the early stages of that productivity focus.

Deane Dray - RBC Capital Markets LLC

Analyst · Deane Dray with RBC Capital Markets

That's real helpful. And then just last question for me, a little more color on this acquisition of Visenti. There's been such focus on non-revenue water, and you cited that 30% of leakage globally, and all municipalities talk about that. And that's one of the sources of fresh water, if you will. It's just fixing those leaks. So, I'm intrigued about the technology, because most people are either talking about outside the pipe, ultrasonic pipe detection or inside the pipe detection. What's Visenti's edge? And does this Singapore project – will that serve as a reference site for you?

Patrick K. Decker - Xylem, Inc.

Management

Yes, it's certainly does, Deane. And I know you're extremely knowledgeable of the Singapore PUB. So you can imagine what the reference point is on a global scale, when you got Singapore PUB as the incubator to drive this. And so, Visenti has already diversified away. They've got a number of other customers in other geographies and quite frankly have more requests to their services than they have the resources to do right now, which is really part of the backdrop for our partnership and acquisition of them. But they've got a couple of different software development capabilities that are able to not only gather the data from inside the pipe using ultrasound techniques and other opportunities, but it's also their data science and data analytic capabilities that they model that data that's coming back. And their ability to do that 24x7 irrespective of what the weather is, is another opportunity that they leverage. They are unique. And we do believe that there's an opportunity here to take this well beyond some of the emerging markets. We're actually going to plan. It's a good time for me to say, we're actually going to be planning to do an Investor Day, Deane, in very early Q2, down in Raleigh-Durham. And we will be sure to have the team from Visenti there as well, to be able to showcase that technology along with what we're getting here with Sensus.

Deane Dray - RBC Capital Markets LLC

Analyst · Deane Dray with RBC Capital Markets

Terrific. Thank you.

Patrick K. Decker - Xylem, Inc.

Management

Yeah. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Ryan Connors with Boenning & Scattergood. Ryan Michael Connors - Boenning & Scattergood, Inc. (Broker): Thanks. Good morning.

E. Mark Rajkowski - Xylem, Inc.

Management

Good morning, Ryan.

Patrick K. Decker - Xylem, Inc.

Management

Good morning, Ryan. Ryan Michael Connors - Boenning & Scattergood, Inc. (Broker): I had a question. Wanted to push on the public utility space a little bit, and get some of the drivers there. I know that you seem to be outperforming peers there, and I want to kind of just dig on where that's coming from. I know you talk about a lot of the internal improvement, but you're also on a parallel journey to improve your channel footprint. And I'm wondering whether there's any impact coming from those efforts, whether it be new distributor alignments or any other channel issues that are helping to drive your really strong numbers in public utility.

Patrick K. Decker - Xylem, Inc.

Management

Sure. I mean, we're obviously very pleased with what the team has continued to do there. And as we said earlier, the funnel, the bidding pipeline continues to grow very nicely, I mean, up 22% versus same time a year ago. So, I think one of the drivers is that, we are getting better visibility into the market as to the project funnel and pipeline, and we're improving our win rates. And part of that is, I think, the impact of us being able to leverage this integration of our commercial teams looking across the entire public utility offering. So, a lot of that lead generation is helping us in a number of geographies across the board. Secondly, I think, as we mentioned before, given our substantial market share and leadership position in that space, we stand to benefit disproportionately in a rising tide environment. And so, we get a lot more looks, I think, than many of our competitors do. And that's really driven as much by our large installed base. And so, as the munis are reinvesting in refurbishment of their existing infrastructure, it's highly unusual that they would swap out or switch out an entire pump network. And so, we get the disproportionate benefit of that replacement work. And the same on the aftermarket service and repair side, we've seen continued record levels of break and fix business, especially here in North America that continues to benefit us. And then lastly, we're in the early stages of some really exciting new product rollouts. We launched a new product called (48:21), which is really not in these numbers, but gives us great confidence about market share capture as we head into 2017 as well. Ryan Michael Connors - Boenning & Scattergood, Inc. (Broker): Okay. Okay. That's helpful. And I wanted to build upon Deane's question regards to Visenti. And I know you mentioned earlier, obviously, you can't comment on M&A specifically. But conceptually, as you look at that leak detection non-revenue water space as a huge opportunity, but obviously Visenti, a pretty small asset without a lot of materiality near-term in the numbers. Do you believe that that's a sufficient platform for you to grow the business you think you can grow in that sector? Or do you think you'll need at some point to go out and build on that with further M&A in that sector?

Patrick K. Decker - Xylem, Inc.

Management

Yeah. It's a great question. So, I do think that over time, we would not limit our efforts here to purely organic R&D. And so we continue to cultivate M&A pipeline. But having said that, our focus right now is squarely on integrating Sensus. What's encouraging to me also is that Visenti was actually in Sensus' M&A pipeline. So there is already a complementary benefit there that we believe we can leverage, and we're going to learn more about that over the coming months. So I wouldn't be foreshadowing any meaningful M&A here in the near-term as we focus on integrating Sensus, but I certainly would not rule out M&A over time here in this space. Ryan Michael Connors - Boenning & Scattergood, Inc. (Broker): Got it. Thanks for your time.

Patrick K. Decker - Xylem, Inc.

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Nathan Jones with Stifel. Nathan Jones - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.: Good morning, everyone.

Patrick K. Decker - Xylem, Inc.

Management

Good morning.

E. Mark Rajkowski - Xylem, Inc.

Management

Good morning. Nathan Jones - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.: If I could just follow up on the industrial business, firstly on the oil and gas side there. I mean, as you said, it's a pretty short cycle business. The rig count has improved. They need water. Does that imply that there's idle assets out there that your customers are utilizing rather than buying or renting new assets from you? And just any color you have into that market and why you didn't see that improvement in the quarter.

Patrick K. Decker - Xylem, Inc.

Management

Sure. Yeah. Now, that was clearly the surprise, one of the two surprises was that, and of course, what happened in the Middle East, so suddenly in Saudi was the second surprise for us. And those two together cost us well more than a point of organic revenue growth in the quarter, which is where we messed. So, yeah, there certainly are idled assets that are out there that oil and gas customers are using as well as mining. But it's also the impact, Nathan, of again just a mothballing and idling of either mines and/or fracing sites. And so, those two things together were the impact. So, what we really saw in the quarter was our indirect channel, the distributors pulling back on their CapEx spend so dramatically down 15% in the quarter. That caught us a bit by surprise as well. And we're trying to model that into our Q4 outlook and just trying to get a feel for what that might look for 2017. This might be a good opportunity to that point, Nathan, for me to perhaps share a little bit of the framework of how we're thinking about 2017. And if I start with the end markets, based on what we see today, we expect these mix market conditions to continue into 2017. And again, that includes a really robust public utility sector, but it will be against some tougher comparisons given what our full year growth is this year, but we would still consider that to be very, very attractive. We would also expect a sluggish environment to continue in industrial for the reasons that I just articulated here, perhaps that's conservative, but we're trying to be conservative here. I say, at this point, it would be hard to see organic growth for our…

Patrick K. Decker - Xylem, Inc.

Management

Yeah. So, through three quarters, we're down 4% year-over-year. So it was up, and then it took a nosedive in the third quarter. Now, part of that year-over-year decline was not a surprise to us, because we had a couple of large projects last year, large on a relative basis for our revenue there that we knew was going to be a tough comp. And that was roughly about half of what that year-over-year decline in the third quarter was, so we expected some of that. The real impact for us in the quarter, and I was just over there for our brand opening of our manufacturing facility and met with a number of our channel partners as well as with some customers in Saudi. And for those of you that are following the news there, you know that they're going through some series budget constraints right now. And the common theme across pretty much all sectors is the common kind of down 20%, 30% in the quarter. I'm not sure what the kind of symmetry is there between that and what we saw, but for example, the Saudi government just about a month ago announced that they are doing an across-the-board 20% reduction in all government employee salary immediately, and that's being driven by some of their funding constraints. And so, we saw that pullback in the quarter. We're being told that it will come back, and that it's temporary. But right now, until we see an improvement in our order book there over the course of fourth quarter, we're trying to take a prudent view here on what kind of a drag that might have on our overall industrial growth. Nathan Jones - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.: That's great color, Patrick. Thanks very much.

Patrick K. Decker - Xylem, Inc.

Management

Okay. No problem.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Joe Giordano with Cowen. Joseph Giordano - Cowen & Co. LLC: Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my questions here.

Patrick K. Decker - Xylem, Inc.

Management

Good morning, Joe. Joseph Giordano - Cowen & Co. LLC: Good morning. When I look at muni, like the kind of above-normal trend growth that you've been seeing there, last year was good, this year even better. You talk about the quoting funnel up 22%. But given where comps are, given what's in backlog in the actual orders right now in that for muni, are they supportive of incremental growth on current rates?

Patrick K. Decker - Xylem, Inc.

Management

You mean, faster growth rates than what we're currently seeing? Joseph Giordano - Cowen & Co. LLC: Well, I mean, it's going to be strong next year on the gross basis, we know that. But are backlog and current orders suggestive of incremental growth like acceleration from here or kind of staying at a really solid level.

Patrick K. Decker - Xylem, Inc.

Management

I think it stays at a solid level. What we would say right now based on what we've seen, again, this is not in any way guidance. But we would say as we lap this year's comparison, we would expect it to be somewhere around mid single-digit growth organically through 2017. Again, we'll have a better feel for that as we kind of wrap up our backlog at the end of Q4. But based on what we see right now, that's where we'd spot it. Joseph Giordano - Cowen & Co. LLC: Okay. That makes more sense. And in the Middle East, across your portfolio, if current order rates, let's just say, hold from where they are today through 2017, what kind of headwind is that into next year?

Patrick K. Decker - Xylem, Inc.

Management

Yeah. We probably – it'd be premature for me to give you a specific number on one region just yet given how quickly things moved. I mean, I wouldn't suggest that we're talking about the type of drop that we saw in Q3 by any means. It's probably looking more like where we are year-to-date, but again, we have a lot more work to do to make sure we have a good handle on what's happening. Specifically in Saudi is the big driver that we're focused on. Joseph Giordano - Cowen & Co. LLC: And how big is Middle East right now in terms of like total sales?

Patrick K. Decker - Xylem, Inc.

Management

Yeah. So, a little less than 4% of our historical Xylem revenue. Joseph Giordano - Cowen & Co. LLC: Okay. Last question on Sensus. What about the parts that are non-water? What's your view on those pieces of business?

Patrick K. Decker - Xylem, Inc.

Management

Yeah. We like them very much. So, as I've said, and I know, Deane's somewhere smiling right now when he hears me get ready to say, we're not going to be dogmatic about water. This is the perfect example of that. So, on a combined basis, we'll still have less than 10% of our total revenue that is somewhere other than water. But the electric, gas and lighting businesses, really all the businesses of Sensus are participating in very attractive end markets. They're growing very nicely. They're very attractive from a profit standpoint. And quite frankly, in many cases, these are common utilities that provide both water, electric and gas. And so, there would be a dissynergy there that wouldn't make any sense at all for us to think about any different of approach. And these are also market leading positions they've got. So, we're very attracted to the entire portfolio. Joseph Giordano - Cowen & Co. LLC: Great. Thanks, guys.

Patrick K. Decker - Xylem, Inc.

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Robert Barry with Susquehanna.

Robert Barry - Susquehanna Financial Group LLLP

Analyst · Robert Barry with Susquehanna

Hey, guys, good morning.

Patrick K. Decker - Xylem, Inc.

Management

Good morning, Robert.

Robert Barry - Susquehanna Financial Group LLLP

Analyst · Robert Barry with Susquehanna

Yeah. I just wanted to clarify a comment earlier and appreciate the initial 2017 framework. I think you said on the margin side expecting kind of the pace to continue. So, I think you're looking for about up 50 bps this year. Is that kind of what the base case should be right now for next year too?

Patrick K. Decker - Xylem, Inc.

Management

Well, I would again stopping short of giving a specific number here because we feel – we're very early in our planning process here, but I would certainly be pushing us to keep the pace we are right now. And again, I'm talking about that, excluding acquisition impacts of purchase accounting, so that would be closer to 100 basis points this year, if you separate the acquisition impacts.

E. Mark Rajkowski - Xylem, Inc.

Management

We've got a lot of momentum on the global procurement Lean-Six Sigma, those events are ramping up and same on the business simplification side, we've taken a number of actions that'll carry over into the next year as well, so good momentum on just the cost part.

Robert Barry - Susquehanna Financial Group LLLP

Analyst · Robert Barry with Susquehanna

Right, right. It sounds like the real challenge, I mean is just Sensus, I think with the amortization comes in at what like a mid single-digit op margin?

E. Mark Rajkowski - Xylem, Inc.

Management

It's higher single digits.

Robert Barry - Susquehanna Financial Group LLLP

Analyst · Robert Barry with Susquehanna

Yeah. Okay. And then I was just wondering if you could give a little more color on industrial. It sounds like the pressures are getting worse in oil and gas and mining, where they have been. But I think some comments in the prepared remarks suggest they're also spreading, I think you mentioned process for food and bev and marine. I guess, a lot of that's in the Applied Water side. Just maybe a little color there.

Patrick K. Decker - Xylem, Inc.

Management

Yeah. Robert, I wouldn't read too much into a spreading into the general industrial sector kind of what we call light industrial. We felt a little bit of weakness there in the quarter, but it was a rounding error relative to the impact that we saw from really two specific areas. And that was the impact of our distributors on the dewatering side heavily tied to oil and gas, and secondly, what happened in Saudi and the Middle East. Those are really the two new things for us in the quarter that have us thinking a little differently about our guide for this year, and so in terms of our revenue number. I wouldn't read anything into the rest of the light industrial sector.

Robert Barry - Susquehanna Financial Group LLLP

Analyst · Robert Barry with Susquehanna

Got you. Got you. And maybe just finally on commercial, there's been growing concern about what's happening in the non-res market. It sounded like maybe you saw some incremental slowing there. Can you just clarify what you're seeing in U.S. non-res?

Patrick K. Decker - Xylem, Inc.

Management

Yeah. We still continue to see very attractive bidding and quoting activity both on our direct channel as well as indirect. And again, I've had an opportunity to spend some time with those folks as well. And I think, they're all feeling fine around the U.S. sector. It really is some timing of products being awarded. The funnel looks attractive, but after two years of pretty constant growth, we saw some slowing there in the quarter, keeping a close eye on it as we get to Q4, but it was still up a couple percent in the quarter, which is down from where it'd been tracking through the first half of the year. So, again, keeping a close eye, but nothing there. The other piece obviously was the weakness that we've seen in China. There's continued to be a slowdown in China. We wouldn't say it's getting any worse. It's really just flat line. And as we get to the end of this year, we'll lap that comparison and we'll be talking about net positive growth for China all in.

Robert Barry - Susquehanna Financial Group LLLP

Analyst · Robert Barry with Susquehanna

Got you. Any particular verticals in the non-res U.S. where you saw the slowing?

Patrick K. Decker - Xylem, Inc.

Management

Yeah. We saw a little bit of slowing in institutional in the quarter. And again, that's why we – those typically are larger projects at least on a relative basis. And we saw some movement and timing around that in the quarter.

Robert Barry - Susquehanna Financial Group LLLP

Analyst · Robert Barry with Susquehanna

Okay. Thank you.

Patrick K. Decker - Xylem, Inc.

Management

Thank you.

E. Mark Rajkowski - Xylem, Inc.

Management

Thanks, Robert.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Chip Moore with Canaccord.

Chip Moore - Canaccord Genuity, Inc.

Analyst · Chip Moore with Canaccord

Morning, folks. And congrats on getting the Sensus deal done.

Patrick K. Decker - Xylem, Inc.

Management

Good morning. Thank you.

Chip Moore - Canaccord Genuity, Inc.

Analyst · Chip Moore with Canaccord

Very early here. Maybe we need to wait to get out to Raleigh as well, but any updated thoughts on synergies there? Obviously, a little bit of a different channel for water meters. Just what are your thoughts broadly?

Patrick K. Decker - Xylem, Inc.

Management

Yeah. I appreciate the question. And we will be sharing in our Investor Day down at Raleigh-Durham, which again I'll say is going to early Q2. That'll be an opportunity for us to really showcase the progress we have on integration. We're thinking about synergy, specific targets that we'll be committing to in our three-year and five-year outlook for book cost and revenue. But, I would say, as we mentioned back in the call in August, we're very confident that we're going to get at least $50 million in cost synergies. And as I've said in the last call, I'd be disappointed if we didn't have more than $100 million of revenue synergies over that timeframe as well through 2020. The areas that are really the biggest opportunity for us, on the cost side, big opportunity in the areas of procurement. And so, whether it'd be overlapping in supplier base, but also just using some of the tools that we put to use here at Xylem the last couple years. We expect the same kind of progress and momentum to be there on a combined spend basis with Sensus. There're also areas of opportunity in some of our back office functions and G&A support functions on a global scale. On the revenue side, it really is going to be focused. I would say if anything in our synergy planning team, I don't want to sound like the happy talking CEO here, but there were more revenue synergy opportunities than you could shake a stick at. The key was that their longer lead time, some of them, they're going to require R&D and engineering support from Sensus. And so, we're going to make sure that we're disciplined and balanced on how we think about those things, but they are really predominantly in areas such as: One, we've got a number of customers today in common, where they already own Sensus' FlexNet and data analytics solutions. But they only apply the data to the clean water side of the network and we have opportunities to now connect our devices on the waste water side to be able to provide similar solution to the customers for their challenges on waste water. Second is, they've got a number of big international projects that are out there that they're bidding on, that in some cases are with customers that are already customers of ours today that we hopefully are going to be able to help them leverage in some way. And third, we think there is opportunities to also leverage their data analytics capabilities across multiple parts of the Xylem portfolio to bring in some of that software-as-a-service opportunity across our existing business. So, these are longer lead times, but we are very excited both Xylem and Sensus about the opportunities here.

Chip Moore - Canaccord Genuity, Inc.

Analyst · Chip Moore with Canaccord

That's very helpful. Thanks. I think we'll look forward to Raleigh. And then just lastly, on leverage at 3.7 times, do you have a target there you'd like to get that too? Thanks.

E. Mark Rajkowski - Xylem, Inc.

Management

Yeah. We're going to get back to the mid-2s back to our target leverage. And we've been pretty clear stating that intention publicly certainly with the rating agencies.

Chip Moore - Canaccord Genuity, Inc.

Analyst · Chip Moore with Canaccord

Thanks, folks.

E. Mark Rajkowski - Xylem, Inc.

Management

Yeah. Thank you.

Patrick K. Decker - Xylem, Inc.

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

We have reached our allotted time for questions and answers. I will now turn the floor back over to Patrick Decker for additional or closing remarks.

Patrick K. Decker - Xylem, Inc.

Management

Sure. Thanks. So, thank you everybody for your interest and joining the call today. I know we've covered a lot of territory here, and you'll have your follow-up calls with Phil for any clarification. Look forward to meeting with many of you between now and our next earnings call, early next year. And as again, looking very much forward to the Investor Day down in Raleigh-Durham in early Q2. So, between now and then, safe travels, have great holidays, and we'll talk to you soon. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. This does conclude today's Xylem third quarter 2016 earnings conference call. Please disconnect your lines at this time, and have a wonderful day.