Vincent Chan
Analyst · CICC
Thank you very much, Yining. I appreciate the questions. Regarding the local environment, first of all, in the first half of this year, we do see that the average dollar value spent per transaction is of a decreasing trend. That would not be different to some of the comments that you would have heard on earnings call of some big technology companies also listed in Hong Kong. So we think that, that is a rather big macro backdrop that would affect the industry across the board. At the same time, within the company, we also cut down on customers that are of lower profitability because as we have consistently shown in the past period and stated on earnings call, our steadfast focus of driving the business going forward is ROI and delivery of bottom line profit and return because that ultimately matters the most from a shareholders, investors and stakeholders' perspective. And from that point of view, we are very focused on ultimate profit lines delivery rather than GPV or revenue per se. So what we have done in the first half of this year is that we did have cut down quite significantly some of the lower profit customers. And the reason is that, that can release resources and time of our higher business management to focus on the right set of customers that can, in turn, not just compensate for the profit loss, but actually deliver even more profit on a very sustainable manner going forward. So what we do is that we focus on larger chain customers, brand names customers, and also customers that require a little bit more differentiated services or more customized solutions. That, by definition, takes more time and resource to focus, but the reward for that is that we earn a higher margin, a much more meaningful higher margin. And that's why we see that the gross profit as well as the gross margin this year for the China business actually increased quite substantially. And that's not just one-off. That's not just for this period of time. In fact, it's the fourth year consecutively that we have been increasing our gross profit from a China payment perspective. This is also the highest margin that you would have seen for the company in the past 6 years. So again, this is a very steadfast long-term key focus of ours, and that will continue going forward. Now you mentioned about the strategic value of the China business, given this type of background. I think this is very, very important. First of all, it is a very large space, large set of customers where we have refined our products to the extreme, to the ultimate value to customers. As Luke mentioned, the TAM, the market of merchant acquiring is largely -- is very, very big. And China has been leading the way globally with over 90% penetration rate. And therefore, there's a lot of things that we can export from a product, service perspective and very ultimately, as you rightly point out, China merchants going overseas. We think this is a very secular and long-term thing. And we haven't really capitalized on that yet because it's still very nascent stage compared to others. So when they go overseas, we indeed help a lot of these big merchants go overseas as well. For example, DaJiang DJI, BYD, all these big brand names as they go overseas, we're actually serving them as merchant acquirer overseas as well. So this continues to be a very important business of ours. Now going forward, from a profit driver perspective, obviously, the overseas business is a very natural extension as we go bigger out from China where we are the dominant market leader already. And we see even more opportunities to grow in terms of profit and deliver that to our shareholders in the overseas countries. First of all, our numbers in terms of GPV, revenue, profit, fee rate, margins, they are very different from the structural set of metrics that you see in the Chinese Mainland. And it has been the case period-over-period. We believe that this will continue to stay, and we will continue to deliver that multiples type of growth going forward. Even though it is a relatively short business in terms of the starting age of it, but now it's already contributing 7% of the gross profit within the payments business. And from a net profit perspective, it's already double-digit percentage. So we would not be surprised that over the next few years, that would substantially increase and more than half of the company's net profit will be driving from the overseas businesses. This is really the opportunities that we are seeing. Why we are delivering all that and why we have a high moat? You asked about that we can continue to defend ourselves. First of all, it is a highly regulated business. You have the licenses, the regulatory bodies, bank channels, ecosystem partners, a very huge system that is not easy to replicate over the years. And therefore, we are seeing other peers entering into the space. But at the same time, we also collaborate with them. We have the license. We have the backward channels. We have the underlyings. This is actually confirming that this is a very interesting space to get into, while at the same time, our infrastructure and our moat has been quite obvious to the others. And secondly, from a product proposition perspective, all the way historically on top of payments, we also have the combination of that versus other value-added services, be it merchant solutions, e-commerce services, AI software and the engine that we can provide to merchants to help them grow their businesses as well. We continue to see this being very differentiated, not just locally but also overseas as well. And we believe that we will continue to be uniquely positioned to expand with this set of product suites. And again, that is very hard to replicate within a short period of time.