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Q4 2025 Earnings Call· Thu, Mar 12, 2026

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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to Abacus Global Management, Inc.'s fourth quarter and full year 2025 earnings conference call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press star then 1 on your telephone keypad. To withdraw your question, please press star then 2. Please note, this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the call over to Robert Phillips, Abacus Global Management, Inc.'s senior vice president of Investor Relations and Corporate Affairs. Please go ahead.

Robert Phillips

Management

Thank you, operator. And thank you everyone for joining Abacus Global Management, Inc.'s fourth quarter and full year 2025 earnings call. Here with me today are Jay Jackson, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Elena Plesco, Chief Capital Officer, and William McCauley, Chief Financial Officer. This afternoon at 4:15 p.m. Eastern Time, Abacus Global Management, Inc. released its fourth quarter and full year 2025 results. This afternoon's call will allow participants to ask questions about our results. Before we begin, Abacus Global Management, Inc. refers participants on this call to the investor webpage ir.abacusgm.com, for the press release, investor information, and filings with the SEC for a discussion of the risks that can affect the business. Abacus Global Management, Inc. specifically refers participants to the presentation furnished today on Form 8-Ks with the Securities and Exchange Commission, and to remind listeners that some of the comments today may contain forward-looking statements and as such will be subject to risks and uncertainties, which if they materialize, could materially affect results. For more information on the risks, uncertainties, and assumptions relating to forward-looking statements, please refer to Abacus Global Management, Inc.'s public filing. During the call, we will reference certain non-GAAP financial measures. Although we believe these measures provide useful supplemental information about our financial performance, they are not recognized measures and do not have standardized meanings under U.S. generally accepted accounting principles or GAAP. Please see our public filings for additional information regarding our non-GAAP financial measures, including references to comparable GAAP measures. I will now turn the call over to Jay Jackson, Chief Executive Officer.

Jay Jackson

Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, Rob, and good afternoon, everyone. Abacus Global Management, Inc. closed the year by delivering another exceptional quarter, our eleventh consecutive quarter of beating consensus. Today, I want to walk you through how we are executing against our vision and what the path forward looks like grounded, not in projections, but in what I would call our proof point: a track record of consistent, measurable outperformance. Eleven quarters ago, we made specific commitments to our shareholders about how we would scale the business. Every quarter since, we have delivered. Let me put that in concrete terms. We have exceeded guidance and beaten consensus every single quarter. Over that span, we have tripled adjusted net income and adjusted EBITDA, expanded margins from 48% to 60%, and grown our asset base more than 35-fold, from under $100 million to nearly $3.6 billion. We have executed disciplined capital allocation with ROE and ROIC consistently at 20% or higher. These are not aspirational figures, they are results, consistently delivered, independently verified, and compounding quarter after quarter. That track record is precisely why you should have confidence in what comes next. Today, we are initiating our full year 2026 outlook for adjusted net income of $96 million to $104 million. This range implies another year of exceptional double-digit growth, up to 22%, compared to full year 2025 adjusted net income of $85.7 million. This guidance is built on the same execution discipline that has defined every quarter of our public history. Before I walk through our next set of goals, I want to ground this discussion in what makes the Abacus Global Management, Inc. business model fundamentally differentiated. First, our assets are mortality-driven and completely uncorrelated to macro markets. They exhibit what we call positive theta, positive accretion over time. As the insured ages…

Elena Plesco

Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Jay. I want to use my time today to walk through the current investment environment, how our balance sheet performed, and how we are continuing to build Abacus Global Management, Inc. as a durable, scalable investment platform with growing fee-related earnings, one where we see a clear path for recurring revenue to grow from approximately 16% of total revenue today to 70% over the next five years. We ended 2025 in an environment that reinforces the core thesis behind everything we do at Abacus Global Management, Inc. Traditional asset classes, equities and fixed income, have become increasingly correlated. As a result, institutional allocators are actively searching for return streams that behave differently. That search is structural, not cyclical. It is driven by pension funds, insurance companies, and endowments that need to meet long-duration liabilities with assets that are not tied to the same macro forces. Longevity-linked and asset-backed strategies fit squarely in that gap. Our returns are driven by actuarial outcomes and contractual cash flows, not by market sentiment or broader economic cycles. And it is why institutional demand for our strategies continues to grow. Turning to the performance of our balance sheet. For Q4, our annualized portfolio turnover was 2.6x, above our long-term target of 1.5x to 2.0x, driven by meaningful capital inflows into our longevity-based funds and execution of our first securitization. What matters most is what that number represents: a disciplined, repeatable cycle of originating at attractive cost basis, adding value through underwriting and seasoning, and monetizing at the right time. During Q4, the policies we sold were held for an average of 116 days compared to 269 days for policies still on our balance sheet. Over the last two quarters, we have acquired a larger than usual number of policies referencing an older insured population.…

William McCauley

Chief Financial Officer

As Jay mentioned, we closed out 2025 with another exceptional quarter of revenue growth and profitability. Our performance continues to be driven by the strength of our highly efficient origination while we also remain focused on expanding our verticals that we believe will contribute significant earnings growth over time. In 2025, capital deployed increased 82% to $230.7 million compared to $126.5 million in the prior year. As of 12/31/2025, supported by continued policy origination and capital deployment, Abacus Global Management, Inc. holds 804 policies with a balance sheet value of $469.8 million. Total revenue in the fourth quarter grew 116% to $71.9 million compared to $33.2 million in the prior year period. Our growth was primarily driven by strong performance in Life Solutions, higher asset management fees, and contributions from our technology services business. We continue to see substantial growth from within our asset management segment as we expand our product offerings and the demand for uncorrelated assets increases. For the full year 2025, revenue increased 110% to $235.2 million compared to $111.9 million in the prior year. Our Life Solutions segment continues to generate revenue growth at an impressive rate while we focus on diversifying our revenue mix moving forward into 2026 and beyond. Turning to expenses, total operating expenses excluding unrealized gains and losses from changes in the fair value of debt were approximately $41.1 million for 2025 compared to $45.5 million in the prior year. The year-over-year decrease was primarily driven by a drop in non-cash stock-based compensation partially offset by an increase in SG&A expenses. The increase in SG&A expenses is related to the acquisitions at 2024 and in mid-2025, along with increased marketing spend to strengthen our growth profile. On an adjusted basis, excluding non-cash stock compensation, business acquisition costs, amortization, and change in fair…

Jay Jackson

Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Bill. Let me close with this. We have conviction in our business model, we have confidence in our execution, and we have clarity on the path forward. The current market environment is playing directly to our strengths, and eleven consecutive quarters of outperformance are the proof. We recognize the disconnect between our fundamentals and our current valuation, but also view it as one of the most compelling opportunities in front of us. As we have discussed with our investors over the past several months, the challenge is not performance, it is perception. The real opportunity lies in helping the investment community fully understand what Abacus Global Management, Inc. is today, a data-driven platform operating across life insurance, asset management, technology, and wealth management, with a recurring revenue model, institutional-grade assets, and a track record that stands on its own. We are addressing that gap as it continues to close through transparent communication, proactive investor engagement, and relentless execution across every vertical of our business. That is our mandate for the next two to three years: continue delivering results while closing the education gap in the broader investment community. We are confident that as understanding deepens, the valuation will follow. Our dividend and expanded share repurchase programs send an unambiguous message. We have the financial strength, the cash flow generation, and the conviction to invest aggressively in growth while simultaneously returning meaningful capital to our shareholders. We do not ask investors to choose between growth and returns. We are delivering both. As we look ahead, our priorities remain clear and unchanged: deliver strong, consistent financial performance, deepen institutional adoption of longevity-based assets, educate the market on the massive, structurally underserved opportunity in front of us, and create enduring, compounding value for every shareholder. I am proud of what this team has built. The results speak for themselves. Our job now is to keep delivering. We will now open for questions.

Operator

Operator

To ask a question, you may press star then 1 on your telephone keypad. If you are using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. If at any time your question has been addressed and you would like to withdraw your question, please press star then 2. First question comes from Patrick Davitt with Autonomous Research. Please go ahead.

Patrick Davitt

Analyst · Autonomous Research. Please go ahead

Hi. Good afternoon, everyone. You mentioned in the deck that you expect to do another securitization in the first half, and I think you said last quarter you could have done a bigger one. So could you expand on how the investor demand side of the equation has evolved since then? And what that could mean for the size and frequency of these going forward. Thank you.

Jay Jackson

Chief Executive Officer

Sure. Thank you, Patrick. The demand has continued to be there and, in fact, increase, and we are in, you know, process in Q1 of measuring that demand against building another product to put out via a securitization. And, you know, within that process, I think the demand has met or exceeded our expectations. And particularly in this market, right, one of the things we found really interesting is that with some of the recent volatility in the markets, the underlying asset that we have has actually increased in demand. But to couple that, or to go with that, it is interesting too. You know, we have seen uptick in origination as well. So as individuals may seek capital from their life insurance policies, you know, we are kind of seeing a positive response. So I think with the markets as they are today, you know, relatively around some uncertainty and some volatility, that has presented, I think, more opportunity for us to potentially do something even more sizable. We are still targeting first half versus Q1, but, you know, we feel pretty good about the outcome there.

Patrick Davitt

Analyst · Autonomous Research. Please go ahead

Is it fair to assume it could be bigger than the first one just based on what you said last quarter or too early to say?

Jay Jackson

Chief Executive Officer

That is yes. I think that is certainly the goal, and the target would be bigger. The first one was $50 million, and,you know, as we look forward, whether that is $100 million or larger, you know, those are some of the areas that we are targeting. And, you know, the demand is certainly there. I would add one thing as well. Whether it is in the securitization, which is great, you know, overall, I, you know, I like to point you to the fund flow. You know, if we look at, you know, the new inflows for, you know, Q4 that we reported, I mean, north of over $400 million should also give you a pretty good indication of the demand that we are seeing for the underlying asset.

Patrick Davitt

Analyst · Autonomous Research. Please go ahead

Yep. And as a follow-up, I have a question on capital. I think you might have answered this in point two on Slide seven, but wanted to hear it from you. Before the stock sell-off last year, you know, episodic equity raises were a more consistent part of the growth algorithm. So now that your stock price has recovered, is that something we should keep in mind? Or do you think that the organic capital generation has kind of reached an escape velocity in terms of being able to address Life Solutions growth without equity raises.

Jay Jackson

Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. We do not have any intent to put out more equity to fund balance sheet purchases related to policy purchases. You know, for us, you know, we are beating that velocity, and, again, driven by the demand for the asset from our own funds as well. So, you know, we are in a really good spot here and, you know, expect that to continue. And that is why when we put out our guidance for 2026, we are what we believe to be very optimistic. And so we expect that to continue. And from a fund flow perspective and what drives those capital needs, we are in a great spot here, and there is not any need to go to equity markets.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Crispin Love with Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.

Crispin Love

Analyst · Piper Sandler. Please go ahead

Thank you. Good afternoon, everyone. Appreciate taking my question. So on capital deployed, definitely a big quarter there, $230 million. I think that is 125%-plus growth versus just last quarter. And while Life Solutions revenue was strong, and, of course, it matched that growth too, can you walk through that a little bit? Did it come at a lower margin and how was that capital deployed different than past quarters? Just curious if there is any major differences.

Jay Jackson

Chief Executive Officer

Right. No. There was not anything different. Now there was some, when we look at that gross capital number, you know, there was I think it was $408 million total of gross inflows. One thing that, yeah, you are right to pick up on at least from, you know, how we break that down, there was a little over $100 million that just on the ETF side. So, you know, that would contribute to typically those ETFs have a lower management fee as well as additional recurring revenue fees just in general. And so then when we then look at just the longevity market asset, or just in general inflows, you know, those were higher than Q3. You know, I think what we saw there was that it is some of it is just allocating that capital during the quarter. Right? And so you did see that we also had some excess cash there as we were, you know, finishing out the quarter. And so I think that, you know, those will kind of couple themselves together again a little more closely as we get into, you know, Q1, Q2. But, otherwise, you know, it was really successful. We were able to put a large piece of that capital to work, effectively right away. We are meeting certainly the demand that we have with our origination, and you saw a pretty significant uptick in capital deployed as well, which we were, you know, I think one of the highlights of the quarter is when you look at the capital deployed number of over $230 million.

Crispin Love

Analyst · Piper Sandler. Please go ahead

Great. Thank you, Jay. No. That makes a lot of sense on the ETF side. And then you have talked about five-year path to $450 million adjusted EBITDA. I think you had a little over $130 million in 2025. So if I am doing the math right, I think that is compounding adjusted EBITDA about 28% per year. Can you just discuss how you expect to get there? Is that all organic? Are there acquisitions involved? And then is asset management the overwhelming driver of that growth?

Jay Jackson

Chief Executive Officer

For sure. And I am glad you asked that because, you know, one of the things we highlighted in the call here was that if you look back over the last three years and I sat back with most of our shareholders and said we expect a 3x growth top and bottom line, you probably would not have taken us very seriously. And yet here we are again looking forward three and five years out with similar aspirations. And that is why we put that illustrative target out there, and partly driven by a couple of things. One, let us not forget we do have a massive addressable market with the underlying Life Solutions business. But even beyond that, when you look at some of the key drivers there, absolutely, it is driven by asset management. It is driven by wealth management. And, you know, there is a blend of organic as well as acquisition. And when I think about the acquisition piece, you know, we highlighted a minority investment in just a terrific firm, a fifty-year firm, in Manning & Napier, where, you know, culturally, you know, we see things a lot of the same way. And that is a first entry point for us. And I think when you start to look at the synergies that we are going to, that we have with that firm already and some of the things I believe we are going to be able to do to jointly grow together, things like, you know, increasing assets under management for both parties by having both a distribution agreement and, you know, being able to monetize the lead generation that we are able to generate from our platform through Manning is incredibly exciting. And I think when you look then at the growth of our business and how we are able to achieve these growth numbers, it is what we are doing really well going forward is capitalizing on the life cycle of our clients. And we are generating significant value for them in both policy purchases and policy payouts. And now we are going to monetize that over time. And so, you know, the growth of this asset driven by our data, specifically longevity and lifespan data and how that applies to financial planning, yes, we are very excited about how that growth is going to continue. And now looking forward, I also think that, you know, it is, as I said in prior calls, we saw both ways from a build-it and buy-it. So I think we will see some of that happen internally. And then, in addition to that, you know, finding phenomenal companies that we can invest in such as Manning & Napier and continue that growth.

Crispin Love

Analyst · Piper Sandler. Please go ahead

Great. Thank you, Jay. Appreciate taking my questions.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Andrew Scott Kligerman with TD Cowen. Please go ahead.

Andrew Scott Kligerman

Analyst · TD Cowen. Please go ahead

So maybe kind of further to the earlier capital question. In terms of equity issuance, would the founding holders have any appetite to do it this year, or do they have more of a sense that they want to wait and see if the price stabilizes? What is the thinking there? And just further elaborating on that question as well. In terms of capital demands, it sounds like you did a really interesting acquisition with Manning. What is the pipeline like there? Is there, you know, any way, Jay, that you could kind of size it to get a sense that, you know, maybe you might need to issue equity to do some of the deals. It sounds like they have all been very impactful.

Jay Jackson

Chief Executive Officer

Sure. Thank you for that. Good questions. We will start with the initial question related to, you know, we are predominantly insider-owned. So we remain that way. Myself and three other partners and as well as a large shareholder, the five of us own about 58%, almost 60%, of the outstanding shares. I think it is a fair question. You know, just because we have seen a recent performance in the stock price, I would just like to highlight that when you look at the valuation of our business, it is why we are buying back our stock because we still feel it is dramatically undervalued on a comparative basis. I mean, when you look at businesses on an equivalent basis that have put up these types of numbers in 2025, they do not trade at single-digit multiples. Yet here we are. And I think that when you look at this from a perspective of how we feel about the stock, just look at the numbers we put out, some of these targets for 2028. Again, they are illustrative, but, you know, we are talking about effectively 2x over the next three years just in EBITDA while maintaining similar margins. So I think, you know, over time, you know, we have got a business here where some of the founding members have held their shares for 22 years. And I think that as you, you know, at a thoughtful basis, if we were to ever do anything, it would be something that would be to meet excess demand for the stock. And if that were to happen, you know, we would certainly consider that as those folks are thinking about things like retirement and other things. And this happens in all companies. Right? Like, you know, as people kind of…

Andrew Scott Kligerman

Analyst · TD Cowen. Please go ahead

That was helpful, Jay. And then on the KPIs, I mean, the turnover ratio at 2.6, terrific. Number of days the policy held 116, terrific again. I mean, really good changes there. Kind of curious on the days held 269, which upticked a little bit. What is kind of the backdrop to that? Why holding those policies a little bit longer?

Jay Jackson

Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. And if you compare it to the prior quarter, we had held some policies a little bit longer to maximize revenue. And for us, it is simply about managing the best opportunistic return that we can. And so many times when you see that movement a little bit, whether held slightly longer or not, it is a smaller percentage of the book, but that is an aging part of the book, and you want to maximize returns. I think that you can look in the Q this quarter and even the K, and you will see things like maturations. These are matured contracts where we were able to effectively collect on the entire claim. And in those circumstances, those returns are substantially higher. So, you know, some of those contracts are best seasoning whether that is an additional quarter or not, and some are best to be optimized within that quarter. So, you know, it is a very thoughtful strategy of looking at it going, do I pick up an ROE of, let us say, 20 or do I hold this for maybe something larger another quarter? And in Q3, what you saw was those trade spreads went up pretty high. That was one of the KPIs that you had not mentioned yet, but the KPI was 37% in Q3 and then, you know, 26% in Q4. And I think that, you know, you are going to see some of that, and that is part of just being really good stewards of capital and maximizing returns.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Timothy D'Agostino with B. Riley Securities. Please go ahead.

Timothy D'Agostino

Analyst · B. Riley Securities. Please go ahead

Congrats on the year. I guess focusing on Abacus Intel quickly. You had mentioned in your prepared remarks about how governments are using the data. And on Slide 19, you kind of lay out 100-plus governments and union systems. But you also talked about, and I can see in the slide, the market opportunities, whether that be TPA, pension funds, insurance, mortgage lenders. I guess what I am trying to understand is, with this data and advocacy, how do you provide value to those different opportunities and why they would want to partner with you. I guess trying to get an overall kind of high-level understanding of why Abacus Intel can provide value to these opportunities.

Jay Jackson

Chief Executive Officer

Sure. I mean, at a high level, when you look at pension funds, for example, one of the resources that Abacus Global Management, Inc. provides is called mVerify, or mortality verification. We are able to verify when a mortality occurs in the United States within 48 hours with nearly 100% accuracy, around 97%. And that is incredibly valuable data for a pension fund, so they no longer continue to make those pension fund payments. Therefore, you know, what that really helps is them manage their own balance sheet much stronger because they do not have money going out that is really hard to reclaim. And then you can apply that against different types of agencies, right, to have a better understanding from an insurance company point of view, you know, how their mortality curves might adjust based on real-time mortality information. The reason why that is so valuable is that it is really hard to get that information from other sources. Even the Social Security Administration, you know, that can take months, if not years, to get that data. And most of the time, it is not very accurate. It is, you know, half as accurate. So, you know, that is where those sources of demand are. You know, we have been speaking to even larger institutions, and as we look into 2026, we expect the Abacus Intel business to continue to grow. I would add one piece that is really valuable. We use that data. Right? It helps us build better prediction models around our own investments. So, you know, being able to capitalize and understand how longevity and how that life arc of an individual is managed. Right? One of the things we started saying is that lifespan is not a straight line, it is an arc of possibilities. We have a program coming out called LifeArc, which that LifeArc program helps us better understand what someone’s mortality distribution curve looks like. And we are going to apply that LifeArc to financial services. Right? If the number one fear is running out of money in retirement, should not people have a better understanding of how long they are going to be in retirement, and capitalizing on that longevity and health data? And that is the type of data that I think, in a much larger scale, that Abacus Intel is going to play a major part in.

Timothy D'Agostino

Analyst · B. Riley Securities. Please go ahead

Okay. Great. Thank you so much for the color. It is super helpful. Then I guess, a quick second question for me. In the third quarter earnings presentation for the Abacus Asset Group, you have laid out $4 billion-plus in fee-paying AUM by year-end 2026. That number is obviously, or your guide has increased to $5 billion for year-end 2026. Is that primarily due to the capital inflows you saw in Q4 2025, that $275 million, or was there something else? Just trying to understand what gives you confidence in increasing that number between the earnings calls. Thank you.

Jay Jackson

Chief Executive Officer

Sure. Yeah. Thank you for asking. And yes, it is driven by what we deem to be visible demand. And so when we see the type of demand that we saw in Q4, then we are looking at the demand in 2026 and match that with, you know, a keen understanding that when you have volatile markets, demand increases for this kind of asset, gave us a lot of comfort around increasing that number. And then you tie into not just new funds, products, and the rollout of additional potential securitizations. We feel comfortable around that number.

Timothy D'Agostino

Analyst · B. Riley Securities. Please go ahead

Okay. Great. Thank you so much, and congrats on the year again.

Jay Jackson

Chief Executive Officer

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Michael John Grondahl with Northland Securities. Please go ahead.

Michael John Grondahl

Analyst · Northland Securities. Please go ahead

Hey, guys. Congratulations. And just wanted to circle back to the capital deployed, $230 million. I think you did that securitization late October. Was any of the $230 million for the securitization you have already done, and is any of that can be broken out for a future securitization? Any way to think about that?

Jay Jackson

Chief Executive Officer

The second part of that question—sorry, Mike. You cut out a little bit on my line.

Michael John Grondahl

Analyst · Northland Securities. Please go ahead

Any of the $230 million that can be used in a future securitization. Are you able to bifurcate it in that way?

Jay Jackson

Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. No. The way to look at it is that, yes, in Q4, when we are looking at total capital deployed, that would include the $50 million that we had in the securitization. But in addition to that, it was still a record quarter for us. Yeah. Right? And I think that is part of the power of the securitization. Right? Like, you know, you just kind of have this really consistent model that you can deploy capital with at a very effective and cost-effective structure. As far as bifurcating that capital deployed into additional securitizations, I would just kind of point to our balance sheet at this point, which is, you know, north of $450 million of policies on the balance sheet. And we have excess capacity to do additional securitization. So I think that we are really well positioned as we look forward to additional securitizations. We already have the inventory built up on our balance sheet for that.

Michael John Grondahl

Analyst · Northland Securities. Please go ahead

Got it. Great. And then just one more. With Manning & Napier, does that sort of replace your ABX Wealth Adviser strategy? There was some thought that you would be hiring some of your own advisers and grow it out that way. How do we think about it now?

Jay Jackson

Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. I think it certainly complements everything that we thought we were going to do. And I think just one big takeaway here is, you know, we definitely walked before we ran here. Right? You know, we made, I feel like, a very thoughtful, intelligent, conservative investment into a well-established firm to really take a moment and show that, and demonstrate that, the model that we are putting together for our wealth management division is executable. And I think that is just so valuable in the way that we structured this initially. So, you know, this investment makes a ton of sense for us. How we might move forward with our own advisers within that platform, I think it makes sense for us at this point to focus on the investment that we made and prove that that is successful and show some wins and successes, and then we will continue to build the platform from there. But, you know, make no mistake. This is going to be an important platform for us on a go-forward basis because if you think about it, it feeds so many other things. Right? It feeds origination. It feeds asset management. It feeds the Abacus Intel from the longevity data. So, you know, I think it is a really important stage for our growth, and this is just the first step.

Michael John Grondahl

Analyst · Northland Securities. Please go ahead

Thanks a lot, guys. Good luck in 2026.

Operator

Operator

This concludes the question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Jay for any closing remarks. Please go ahead.

Jay Jackson

Chief Executive Officer

Well, thank you to all of our shareholders. 2025 was a year in which I believe that we solidified our shareholder base, solidified our story and our communication, and solidified our growth. And we are in a position where, looking forward, as great as the last two and three years have been, we are excited about the next three years. And we hope that when you start to see these numbers and see the direction of where this company is headed, and where we can achieve with the foundation of our business, we are excited about what the next three years can bring to us and our shareholders as well. So thank you all. We look forward to answering any additional questions. Please feel free to reach out to our IR department if you have any additional questions. And we look forward to another great quarter. The conference has now concluded.

Operator

Operator

Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.