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AMETEK, Inc. (AME)

Q1 2016 Earnings Call· Sat, Apr 30, 2016

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Operator

Operator

Good morning. My name is Jenisha, and I’ll be your conference operator today. At this time, I’d like to welcome everyone to the First Quarter Earnings Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers’ remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Thank you. Mr. Kevin Coleman, you may begin your call.

Kevin C. Coleman

Analyst

Great. Thank you, Jenisha. Good morning. Welcome to AMETEK's first quarter earnings conference call. Joining me this morning are Frank Hermance, Chairman and CEO, Bob Mandos, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, and Dave Zapico, Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer. AMETEK's first quarter results were released earlier this morning. These results are available electronically on market systems, and on our Web site at the Investors section of AMETEK.com. The call is also webcasted. It can be accessed at AMETEK.com and StreetEvents.com. The call will be archived on both of those sites. Any statements made by AMETEK during the call that are not historical in nature are to be considered forward-looking statements. As such, these statements are subject to change, based on various risk factors and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ significantly from expectations. A detailed discussion of the risks and uncertainties that may affect our future results is contained in AMETEK's filings with the SEC. AMETEK disclaims any intention or obligation to update, or revise any forward-looking statements. I’ll also refer you to the Investor section of AMETEK.com for a reconciliation of any non-GAAP financial measures used during this call. We will begin today with prepared remarks, and then we will open it up to take questions. I’ll turn the meeting over now to Frank.

Frank S. Hermance

Analyst

Thank you, Kevin, and good morning, everyone. AMETEK delivered solid earnings in the first quarter, despite a very challenging global macro environment. Overall demand across a number of our markets remains weak. In particular, we’re seeing meaningful headwinds within our oil and gas and metals markets. These headwinds are larger than we anticipated when we started the year. Although these short-term headwinds are challenging, we remain confident in the long-term positioning and growth prospects for our business. Before covering the financial highlights, please note that any references made to 2015 results, will be on an adjusted basis, excluding the realignment costs in 2015. Now onto the financial results. In the first quarter, sales declined 4% to $944.4 million. Organic sales were down 9%, acquisitions added 5%, and foreign currency was a 1% headwind during the quarter. Operating income for the first quarter declined 12% to $208.5 million, and operating income margin in the quarter was 22.1% versus 24.1% in the first quarter of 2015. Net income for the quarter was $134.2 million, and diluted earnings per share of $0.57 were down 10% over last year's first quarter, meeting our Street guidance. Operating cash flow was $152 million in the quarter, up 24% over the prior year. Now turning to the individual operating groups. The electronic instruments group reported a sales decline of 4% to $569 million for the quarter. Organic sales declined 8%. The acquisitions of Surface Vision, Brookfield Engineering and ESP/SurgeX contributed 5%, and foreign currency was a 1% headwind. The lower sales versus prior year were driven largely by our process businesses, which had exposure to oil and gas markets. We’re seeing incremental weakness above our prior expectations in oil and gas, both in the upstream, and in the mid and downstream markets. EIG’s operating income declined 12%…

Robert R. Mandos

Analyst

Thank you, Frank. As Frank noted, we had a solid first quarter. I’ll provide some further details. In the quarter, organic selling expenses on a percentage basis were down the line with organic sales on a percentage basis. General administrative expenses were 1.3% of sales in the quarter, slightly above last year's first quarter level of 1.2% of sales. The effective tax rate for the quarter was 26.7%, down from last year’s first quarter rate of 28.1%, and in line with our expectations. The lower tax rate in the quarter was the result of our ongoing tax planning initiatives. For 2016, we estimate our tax rate to be approximately 28%. As we’ve said before, actual quarterly tax rates can differ dramatically, either positively or negatively from its full-year rate. On the balance sheet, working capital defined as receivables plus inventory less payables was 20.8% of sales in the first quarter. Strong working capital and management remains a key priority. Capital expenditures were $11 million for the quarter. Full-year 2016 capital expenditures are expected to be approximately $70 million. Depreciation and amortization was $40 million for the quarter. 2016 depreciation and amortization is expected to be approximately $165 million. Our cash flow was very strong in the quarter. Operating cash flow was $152 million, up 24% over last year’s first quarter. Free cash flow was $141 million, representing 105% of net income. For the full year, we expect free cash flow to be approximately 120% of net income. The primary use of our strong cash flow is to support our acquisition strategy. In the first quarter, we deployed $300 million for the acquisitions of Brookfield and ESP/SurgeX. In addition in the first quarter, we repurchased approximately 2.4 million shares of stock for approximately $115 million. Total debt was $2.22 billion at March 31, up $280 million from 2015 year-end. Offsetting this debt is cash and cash equivalents of $386.9 million, resulting in a net debt-to-capital ratio at March 31 of 35.7%. At March 31, we had approximately $900 million of cash and existing credit facilities to fund our growth initiatives. This amount includes the incremental financing capacity provided through the amended revolving credit facility we announced on March 11. This amended facility increases with the size of our revolving credit facility from $700 million to $850 million and extends the maturity date to March 2021, provides AMETEK with a larger financing capacity, and increased flexibility to support our growth initiatives. Our highest priority for capital deployment remains acquisitions. In summary, our businesses performed well in the first quarter, despite challenging macroeconomic conditions. We are well positioned, with a strong balance sheet and cash flows to support our growth initiatives.

Kevin C. Coleman

Analyst

Great. Thank you, Bob. That concludes our prepared remarks. Jenisha, I’d love to open it up for questions.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from the line of Brian Konigsberg of Vertical Research.

Brian Konigsberg

Analyst

Yes. Hi, good morning.

Frank S. Hermance

Analyst

Hello, Brian.

Brian Konigsberg

Analyst

Hey, I just want to start off, maybe just more of a conceptual question. So, Q1 March, this may be the second or third quarter in a row where you fell short of expectations, on an operational basis. Just thinking about how you’re thinking, when you go into the planning process for guidance, what is it that’s changed that it’s becoming a lot more difficult to guide in this market? We know obviously things are difficult, but we’re not used to AMETEK falling short, like it has over the last few quarters. Have you cut kind of too close to the bone potentially, where it’s becoming a little more difficult to guard against some of the shocks in the market, or are there other issues at play that you could maybe discuss?

Frank S. Hermance

Analyst

No. The key factor here is, it surely it’s not in terms of anything we’ve done in terms of cost reductions, et cetera. The key issue is that we’ve exposure on both sides of our Company to markets that are in a pretty significant downturn. Oil and gas is a major part of our Company, and we’ve just seen over the course of the last several quarters, that it has deteriorated further than we had expected. You may recall that we had called oil and gas, in terms of the downturn last year. When we called it in January, we hit it right on. But this year, we did not hit it right on, and the conditions are worse. If you look at oil and gas, we initially thought for 2016 with respect to 2015, we would be down around $50 million. Our best look now is down around $90 million and that changed. There was an inflection point actually, right around the time of our last earnings call, when oil hit $26 a barrel. And when that happened, we just saw a large number of projects just move to the right and that we were actually anticipating that we were going to get sooner. Most of those projects are still going to happen. But they're going to be moved, and probably moved, many of them into next year. So we miscalled that particular business. And it’s simply because the changes have been so dramatic, and it’s very difficult to predict them. It has really nothing to do with how we're operating the Company itself. It's just predicting the future is not an easy thing. And I’d say, similarly, if you look at the other side of the company with EMIP, with the issue with metals pricing, and the deflation that happened, and we talked about this in the fourth quarter. In a way, a similar thing happened that when metal prices went down so drastically, the buying levels from our customers just went very, very soft and have remained soft through the first quarter. And now the good news, in that particular market is we’re starting to feel improvement, where actually our order intake is improving. So we actually believe that one will improve as the year goes on. But we are not predicting that the oil and gas business will improve. So this is really a market related issue, with dramatic changes on each side of the Company, that’s causing this problem. Now given that and the contribution margins of our businesses, we are actually quite pleased with the operating performance in terms of profitability. We met our first quarter guidance on profitability. Margins, although down a bit, are still extremely good, one of the better ones in the industry. So we’re managing a difficult situation, as well as I believe anybody could manage it so, but that's fundamentally what happened. I hope that helps.

Brian Konigsberg

Analyst

That is helpful. Thanks, Frank. And maybe just secondly and obviously there are a lot of numbers that are going into this, but I don’t know if you could simplify it. When I just look at your bridge, talking about flat sales for the year, obviously 4%, 5%, 6% -- percentage points of acquisition contribution, organic down. I presume there hasn't been a change in the assumption on price and inflation. I guess, price is offsetting inflation by a modest amount still. And then you're talking about productivity savings of $130 million. I still have a hard time kind of bridging the guidance to the new range that has been provided. In fact, I'm actually coming above the range. So, when I think about, when I put together the qualitative components, I'm coming out to an EPS that should be higher than where you're guiding. I thought that, probably for the last four or five quarters, and clearly that didn’t materialize. But I was just curious if there are -- maybe you can kind of walk through some of the components that get you from the 2015 EPS, to the -- to your new guidance of, the new guidance range that you provided today?

Frank S. Hermance

Analyst

Yes, actually you can view it in relatively simple economic terms. The organic growth, if you look at the entire company, and you look at it for the year, we think we, and our guidance assumes, that we’re going to be 2 points less on organic growth. And that’s as a result of the two factors, predominantly that I talked about in answer to your first question. You take 2 points on a $4 billion company, that’s $80 million. $80 million, the detrimental -- excuse me, they are detrimental too. Detrimental margins of this company, similarly to when they got, when volume goes up, are on the order of greater than 45%, roughly 50%. So just take the $80 million, multiply it -- I’ll take -- make the numbers easy, 50%. You’ve got $40 million of pre-tax operating income. And that’s $0.12 or $0.13 a share. Yes, we haven’t put it through more cost reductions, about $10 million of additional cost reductions, over what we talked about last year -- or last quarter, excuse me, and you take that. And what happens, in many businesses, when the economic environment gets tough, is that basically people buy lower in the product portfolio. So that the overall sort of mix of the Company, for lack of a better word, goes down a bit. And that has, in essence, offset that $10 million of other cost improvements. In terms of price and inflation, what we told you at the beginning of the year, was that we expected price to essentially offset inflation, and that’s still our expectation. So that is a very high level look. Obviously, there are puts and there are takes. But that’s the overall thought process. And you take that, and that is the reduction in the guidance essentially.

Brian Konigsberg

Analyst

And the investment spend of $60 million …

Frank S. Hermance

Analyst

It’s $60 million on investment, absolutely. We have not changed the investment spend. So we’re continuing to make the investments, so that when we get some market lift, the contribution margins are obviously going to be extremely high in the other direction, and we are going to make a lot of money.

Brian Konigsberg

Analyst

Understood. Thank you for the detail. I appreciate it.

Frank S. Hermance

Analyst

Okay.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Allison Poliniak of Wells Fargo.

Allison Poliniak

Analyst

Hi, guys. Good morning.

Frank S. Hermance

Analyst

Hello, Allison.

Allison Poliniak

Analyst

On the energy side, Frank, let me just ask you -- I know historically you’ve had some level of visibility, and that’s fallen off again pretty dramatically with -- which is what happened last financial crisis. I guess, what's your confidence, now that we are sort of modeling this well, as we are -- as we stand today. Obviously, oil is a little better right now, but I guess your confidence and just thoughts on the visibility as we move through this now?

Frank S. Hermance

Analyst

Yes, sure. It’s a great question, and we’ve asked that same question of ourselves, a number of times over the last few months. We are giving this our best shot. And from everything we know in talking with customers, and also quite frankly in listening to some of our peer companies, I believe right now, we got it called right. And we have not assumed any improvement in oil and gas as the year goes on. The levels are low. It’s hard to believe they could get a little bit worse, but we also put a range on our guidance. So and the guidance, just to be very clear, the guidance is balanced both ways, plus and minus. It’s not a conservative estimate. It’s what we really believe is going to happen. And if things do get a little weaker, we are going to be at the low end of the guidance. If things get to be a little stronger, we are going to be at the high-end of the guidance. So, we think we’ve got it. But predicting the future is not an easy thing to do, but with our best people and our best thought process and it’s fairly consistent with what other companies are saying. The only release that I saw that hinted at improvement in oil and gas, at the latter part of this year was in GE's report. Just about everybody else, at least the ones I listen to, and I don't listen to that many, maybe four or five, we’re predicting pretty much what we’re predicting.

Allison Poliniak

Analyst

Okay, great. And then, just RD&E on a high level, up 5%. In this kind of environment, does the bar get set higher in terms of what you're investing in? I mean, any change to sort of the process now, in sort of a softer versus stronger market for you?

Frank S. Hermance

Analyst

It’s, probably the last expense in the Company that we do not like to touch. It’s so critical to our future, in terms of -- as you know the level of technology in our products is quite high. And if you make dramatic cuts in that cost, you are going to hurt yourself. You won’t see it for two or three years, so you could improve the short-term performance of the Company, but not the -- you just don’t want to sacrifice the long-term. So we’ve not made any substantial changes in that number. It’s the same number that we talked about at the beginning of the year, and it’s also up over last year by that 5%. It is a lever that we’d have if things did by any chance get any worse. But again, we don’t anticipate that at this point in time.

Allison Poliniak

Analyst

Great. Thanks so much.

Frank S. Hermance

Analyst

You bet, Allison.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Matt Summerville of Alembic.

Nick Chen

Analyst

Hi, guys. This is actually Nick Chen for Matt this morning. Thanks for taking our call. I was hoping that you could just talk a little bit more about total and organic orders, in terms of the backlog, and what we are seeing for book and bill?

Frank S. Hermance

Analyst

Sure. Book and bill in the quarter was 1.02. Orders overall, were up 3%. Organically, they were down 8%.

Nick Chen

Analyst

That’s very helpful. Thanks so much. And then, just finally, can you talk a little bit about the M&A funnel. And just -- I know you sort of got into a little bit earlier, but just sort of your thoughts on the ability to deploy meaningful capital in regard to the balance sheet of 2016?

Frank S. Hermance

Analyst

Yes, we feel real good. There is a high likelihood that we are going to be able to deploy a sizably larger amount of capital as the year goes on. We have actually beefed up our energy on the acquisition front. We’ve set up a couple other teams within the Company to look at opportunities. We are working with external advisors, and we’ve got a lot that’s in the pipeline. They are varying sizes from the smaller deals like the two we talked about earlier in this meeting to the larger deals. And I would say, it’s probably one of the top priorities of the Company right now. We have got extremely strong cash flow, and we believe that this is the best way for us to create value for our shareholders, while our markets are in a depressed condition.

Nick Chen

Analyst

That’s great. Thanks so much guys. I will jump back into the queue.

Frank S. Hermance

Analyst

You bet.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Matt McConnell of RBC Capital Markets.

Frank S. Hermance

Analyst

Hello, Matt.

Matthew McConnell

Analyst

Good morning, guys. Just to touch on the guidance reduction, so $40 million is probably half or a little bit less than half than the guidance reduction, that’s the oil and gas piece. So what …

Frank S. Hermance

Analyst

No. No, that’s not right.

Matthew McConnell

Analyst

What’s that?

Frank S. Hermance

Analyst

No, that’s not right. No, you take $40 million, this is pre-tax, $40 million at the pre-tax level that goes to the bottom line at about $0.12 to $0.13.

Matthew McConnell

Analyst

Okay. On the revenue side, just going down to flat versus prior outlook for up low single digits, I was figuring -- that’s about $100 million on revenue. And if oil and gas is $40 million, there is another bucket there that got weaker, is that …?

Frank S. Hermance

Analyst

Oh yes. No, okay. Now I’ve got your question, yes. No, it’s the other part that I was talking about. On the EMG side, with the metal price deflation that I talked about, that’s the other $40 million. So the total is not $100 million, it’s about $80 million.

Matthew McConnell

Analyst

Okay.

Frank S. Hermance

Analyst

The contribution margins are a bit different between those two $40 million. That’s actually higher on the oil and gas businesses, and a bit lower than the 50% number that I was using in EMIP. So you take the $80 million times the 0.5 you get basically $40 million of pre-tax. And that’s what I thought your original question was, and that’s how you get to the $0.12 to $0.13 number.

Matthew McConnell

Analyst

Okay, great.

Frank S. Hermance

Analyst

Does that help?

Matthew McConnell

Analyst

Yes, it does. I’m thinking more along the lines of strictly end market weakness and top line weakness, what changed since February? And just getting at what might have gotten worse, besides oil and gas but …?

Frank S. Hermance

Analyst

Well, it is what I said in response to Brian, is that also the metals deflation in EMIP was deeper than we had anticipated, and it’s also slower coming back. Now we’re seeing a trend where it’s starting to come back. But it’s not coming back at a rate that we think could achieve the original guidance. And that’s why we also reduced that part of the Company by the $40 million. So it’s a double hit. That’s what’s happening here. I mean, it’s pretty simple actually. We got a hit on the oil and gas and EIG, and a hit on EMIP on the metal side, and that’s the core issue of what we are dealing with.

Matthew McConnell

Analyst

Okay, great. Thank you. And just on the, you mentioned a greater importance put on the operational excellence initiatives, and that’s up a bit, but the contribution would still be less than what you saw last year and I’m wondering if that’s a realistic expectation, given the incremental effort that you are putting on those [multiple speakers] initiatives?

Frank S. Hermance

Analyst

Yes. Let’s -- yes, right. If you remember last year was -- and we said it when it happened, it was an exceptional year. We did several restructurings last year. One in the first quarter of 2015 and another one later in the year. So yes, that number last year was bigger, but I hope we set the expectation that was not the run rate. And what we are doing now at $130 million level, we think it’s pretty darn good, and we feel great about it. And it comes back to one of the original or initial questions that, you don’t want to destroy these businesses. These are phenomenal businesses, and you don’t want to go in and take so much cost out, that you then will not be able to recoup. So we think we’ve done the appropriate amount, we are pleased with it. You can see it in the overall performance of the Company. And we are talking about earnings being down here, if you take the average of our estimates about 3%. So, it’s not like we are going to be down 10% or 15% on earnings. So we are actually pretty happy with that, although I know it’s not good from the change in guidance viewpoint.

Matthew McConnell

Analyst

Yes. Okay, great. Thank you very much.

Frank S. Hermance

Analyst

Okay.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Scott Graham of BMO Capital Markets.

Scott Graham

Analyst

Hi. Good morning.

Frank S. Hermance

Analyst

Hello, Scott.

Scott Graham

Analyst

Hey, Frank. I wanted to maybe slice this organic sales question a little bit differently. If we were to maybe pull out oil and gas and EMIP, it looks to me like your organic still would have been down, let’s call it 4% to certainly 5%, which is a third deterioration in the last three quarters, which of course includes those numbers as well. But the point, of course, is that the $80 million if you straight line it, it’s still kind of looks like organic was weaker than certainly I’d have expected. And so, I guess, my question is, one of your four operational model points, legs of the chair, if you will, is in fact new products. And had there been thought given to maybe finding a way to bump up the cost reduction target a little bit more to let’s say fund a little bit more organic growth? Because there has got to be some reason why that the organic has been kind of stubbornly weak for really six quarters now. So I was just wondering what you were thinking about terms of your model, tweaking it to promote more organic?

Frank S. Hermance

Analyst

Well, I mean, you look basically at our strategies and clearly RD&E and global and market expansion are definitely focused on the organic growth side of the business. If you look at the organic growth of AMETEK, and Kevin has done this analysis over the last -- almost any period you pick, say a year, three years, five years, and I think he even had a 10 year chart, our organic growth lines up quite well with our peers. But obviously when you’ve got the impact of these two market conditions that I’m talking about, it’s not -- just not -- you can’t overcome that is basically what happens. Your number, if you really look at it, isn’t as significant as you think. It’s not a 4% to 5%. It’s a lower number than that. But it’s running slightly negative I’d say, for the rest of the Company, and that’s what’s in our guidance. But the overwhelming impact is really from those two areas, and that will change when those markets change. So in terms of tweaking the model, yes, we do that all the time. And as I mentioned to Allison’s question, that’s why we are keeping the RD&E expense up, when the top line is weak. And sure we are doing everything we can, to help the organic growth picture of the Company. And we are continuing to invest in higher growth regions of the world, and those are really the two key drivers to the organic side of the question.

Scott Graham

Analyst

Got it. Thank you, Frank. And I was wondering, if you could do your typical across the business divisions’ summary for us?

Frank S. Hermance

Analyst

Sure, Scott. I’d be glad to do that. So, let me start with EIG. EIG aerospace sales were down low single digits against a difficult comparison in last year’s first quarter. We had very good growth in our commercial OEM and commercial aftermarket business in the quarter. But it was offset by a difficult comparison in our business and regional jet business, which you may recall was very, very strong last year. For all of 2016, we expect EIG aerospace sales to be up low to mid single digits, again driven by strength in our commercial OEM and commercial aftermarket businesses. Our process businesses, organic sales and process were down about 10% in the quarter, reflecting obviously what we’ve talked about in terms of greater than expected weakness in our oil and gas business. And as I mentioned, while some of the incremental weakness was in our upstream business, project delays and push outs also impacted our mid and downstream business. And as a result, for all of 2016, we now expect sales for our process businesses to be down mid single digits organically. And the last part of EIG is Power & Industrial. There we had a solid first quarter. Overall, sales were up 10% driven by the contributions from the acquisitions of ESP/SurgeX and Brookfield that I talked about in my opening comments. Our organic sales were down low single digits. And for all of 2016, we expect organic sales for Power & Industrial to be down a mid single-digit number. So if you sum that all up for EIG, we are expecting overall sales to be roughly flat. And that’s obviously driven by the acquisitions of Surface Vision, Brookfield and ESP/SurgeX with organic sales down to the mid single-digit kind of region. Moving to the other half…

Scott Graham

Analyst

Thank you, Frank.

Frank S. Hermance

Analyst

Hey, you bet, Scott.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Robert McCarthy of Stifel.

Robert McCarthy

Analyst

Good morning, everyone.

Frank S. Hermance

Analyst

Hi, Robert.

Robert McCarthy

Analyst

So, a couple questions here. I mean one question that’s come up from an investor is just thinking about and maybe drilling down on this question about the size of deal. I think investors have been concerned about perhaps in the context of a lower structural organic growth and some of the challenges there, that doing a larger deal is kind of a priority, just given the law of large numbers. And could you just talk about your capacity to do a deal now, of what size, and then ultimately how you think about your funnel? I know you did allude in previous comments, how you are looking at a variety of deals. And then, clearly there is a priority, all things being equal to do a larger deal. But could you just talk about that, particularly, in the context of -- I do think you brought up your revolver and your leverage a little bit this quarter. So, could we get a sense of what is kind of the outward bound of your capacity right now?

Frank S. Hermance

Analyst

Yes, sure. You’ve got a bunch of questions in there. Let me start with what we consider a larger deal. First of all, we’re not looking at mergers of equals here. If you look at most merger of equals, they don’t create shareholder value. So, when we look at the size of deal that we’re focused on, it’s really between in volume between $50 million and a couple of $100 million. And if a larger deal comes along, up in the $400 million or $500 million region, we’d consider doing that. In order to meet the model that we’ve discussed with you, where we basically want to achieve on a yearly basis -- it’s not going to be every year, but on average 5% to 10% of our sales coming from acquisitions, that’s the basic model we’ve talked about for years. You take the upper end of that and its $400 million. We are $4 billion right now, so you take the upper end of 10%, you need to do $400 million in volume. And there is different ways you can say, what’s the purchase price based on that, but you take $400 million and multiply that by maybe 1.2 or 2, say 2, just to make the numbers easy, you got to deploy $800 million a year in capital on average to make -- to get to the high-end of that range. What’s our capacity? Right now our capacity is -- with everything we’ve got, we’re well in excess of $900 million in capacity. But more important than that, if you look at the free cash flow of the Company, the operating cash flow is going to be this year, on the order of $775 million, which means the free cash flow, we’ve our CapEx set around $70 million,…

Robert McCarthy

Analyst

That’s encyclopediac. Thank you for the full response and for the audience, we didn’t collude on that question, because it was a very well scripted response. In terms of two other points, one on restructuring, I mean, do you think we will continued to see call outs here going forward or just given, I mean, how do you think about the sense that what’s ongoing and what should be just built into your earnings base, just cost of doing business, [indiscernible] what you do versus [indiscernible] fortune?

Frank S. Hermance

Analyst

Yes, that’s -- we think of this number of -- I will call it a $100 million plus. We are at $130 million now. That’s what we think we can do on a year in year out basis. We’ve put the infrastructure in the Company to do that and we believe that can continue for a substantial amount of time. And the majority of that is sort of built into our revenue and our guidance, as we give it to you guys and ladies. And the reason for that is the structure that we’ve put in place. As you know we’re an operationally focused Company. So, in terms of just our normal operational excellence strategies, we can get $50 million to $70 million a year. And in terms of our materials strategy, we are in that same ballpark, and therefore, that’s an ongoing cost. In terms of any, what I would call major restructuring of the Company, no. We are not envisioning that, and we’ve to modify these strategies as time goes on. And I will give you an example and Dave maybe you can speak to this, that on the material side, we had to change the strategy a bit and we’ve done it incrementally over the last number of years and we’ve added a value analysis tool into our toolbox. And Dave, why don’t you speak to that a little bit? You’ve really led that activity and done a great job with it.

David A. Zapico

Analyst

Sure. It really comes down to getting that $50 million a year of cost savings that you talked about. And for some of our maturer businesses, where we’ve already globalized the supply chain, we really focused on charting the bill material from an engineering viewpoint. So, we’ve taken our bill of materials focused on the highest cost items and used both our engineering capability and supply chain capability to attack that, and very quickly go through projects than we are introducing cost out designs in a matter of three or six months. And we’ve done that across the Company, and we’ve institutionalized it as one of our operational excellence tools. And that was the largest driver of our material cost savings. So, if you think about we bring a new company in, we go after the supply chain hard and we get big savings. We often can take 25% out of the company’s material costs, because of our global sourcing. Well, if we owned the company for 5 or 10 years, we’ve to find other avenues to take material costs out and that’s where the value analysis, value engineering comes in, and now let’s institutionalize across the whole business. And as I mentioned, it’s the largest driver of the material costs now. So we are very happy about that.

Robert McCarthy

Analyst

Thanks for your time.

Frank S. Hermance

Analyst

Okay.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Bhupender Bohra of Jefferies.

Bhupender Bohra

Analyst

Hey, good morning, guys.

David A. Zapico

Analyst

Good morning.

Frank S. Hermance

Analyst

Good morning.

Bhupender Bohra

Analyst

My question, Frank, if you can give us some color on the BRIC countries, the global [technical difficulty] especially China. What you assume …

Frank S. Hermance

Analyst

Yes, yes. Good news and bad news is the best way to say it. Overall, BRIC countries organically were down 8% and China was the driver down about 9%. If you look at the other countries, Russia continues to be weak, Brazil weak, but actually a little bit better than it was doing in terms of decremental organic growth versus last year. But obviously, the driver here is China and I should mention India is good. That’s the one that was good last quarter and it remains good. We had mid single-digit kind of organic growth in India. The good news is that we are feeling a stabilization in China. And if you look at the numbers we’ve provided over the last three quarters on China, they are not the best in the world, but the key thing is the orders in the first quarter were flat organically. So -- and in talking with our people there, they’re feeling a bit of stabilization, I would say, is probably the best word. So we are feeling a little bit better about China, but obviously, the BRIC countries, which for a while for us were growing at 25%, 30% overall are now more of a challenge. But hopefully, what we saw in orders in China is an indication that things are going to get better there.

Bhupender Bohra

Analyst

Okay. So just a follow-on, on the energy business here. You talked about the shortfall of $40 million. Can you give us some color into upstream, the midstream, and the downstream portion? And where did you …?

Frank S. Hermance

Analyst

Yes, basically if you look at -- you are talking about the incremental $40 million that I talked about. It was evenly split between downstream at about $20 million and the combination of upstream and downstream at -- or upstream -- yes, upstream and downstream at $20 million. So, $20 million in upstream, $20 million in the combination of mid and downstream. I don’t think I said that right a moment ago. Okay. And then, between upstream -- between midstream and downstream, it was more downstream oriented.

Bhupender Bohra

Analyst

Okay.

Frank S. Hermance

Analyst

Okay.

Bhupender Bohra

Analyst

And the other $40 million on the metals business, now I thought when we saw the commodity kind of prices jump in February, that your customers would have actually come into buy the metals, but I don’t know what …?

Frank S. Hermance

Analyst

Yes, here -- it’s a great question, absolutely a great question. And the issue is what metals are key to AMETEK? And in our case, the key metals on the EMIP side are molybdenum trioxide, cobalt, vanadium and to a lesser degree nickel. And if you actually look at those three metals, they are down and they have not come back. And that’s why, when they do come back, our customers -- right now, they don’t want to buy when they are very low, right? So, we don’t have an impact on our cost, because we pass basically the price of the raw material on. So we are not sort of -- we don’t have an issue from that viewpoint. The issue from us is when metal prices are very low, our customers are just going to hold off as long as they possibly can and before they start buying, and that’s what’s really happening right now. And it was -- and the fact that those metals have not rebounded yet, is the issue. So you can’t look at us in terms of the standard metals that you think of.

Bhupender Bohra

Analyst

Okay, right. Thanks a lot.

Frank S. Hermance

Analyst

Sure.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Christopher Glynn of Oppenheimer.

Frank S. Hermance

Analyst

Good morning, Chris.

Christopher Glynn

Analyst

Hey, good morning. So, question on the full-year guide versus the first half. It looks like we are implying a couple points of margin improvement in the second half versus the first. That’s steep, so just wanted to get some thoughts, get my brain around that?

Frank S. Hermance

Analyst

Yes. We feel pretty comfortable as we move through the year in terms of the improvements. And I’m going to talk sort of about the overall improvements in EPS, and there is three drivers for this. The first is that in our process businesses, there is a seasonality impact of several of our non-oil and gas related businesses, where they always have a stronger second half than first half. The second thing is that in one of our oil and gas divisions, thermal process management, they’ve actually won market share with a good share of that improvement from the market share gain viewpoint already in backlog. And they’ve done that really through several initiatives. The first was increased penetration in the Middle East, and also a partnership that we’ve with Pentair. So, the first factor is, we expect the process businesses to have some improvement because of those factors. The second factor is what we’ve already talked about in terms of EMIP, that we believe that situation, and we are already seeing it in order intake, will have a gradual improvement through the year. And therefore we will see incremental improvements from that volume, and we are very confident in that. And then, the third thing is really the cost improvements. And if you look at how the cost improvements layer in, they become much more significant in the latter quarters in the year. So you take the organic growth of the first two reasons I outlined, and obviously when that goes to the bottom line, that improves your margins, because of our very high contribution margins. And then, you put these incremental cost improvements through the business. That’s why we feel those margins will in fact improve.

Christopher Glynn

Analyst

Okay.

Frank S. Hermance

Analyst

Does that help?

Christopher Glynn

Analyst

Yes, that’s helpful. And then, in terms of M&A, I think you did mention a heightened focus on energy related assets, in particular. So, if I heard that correctly, I’m wondering how you match that focus up against, maybe gauging the risk of a commodities super cycle that could be a mirror image of a 10-year emerging markets boom?

Frank S. Hermance

Analyst

Yes, our focus is to fundamentally buy good businesses. We’re not afraid of buying a business, when it’s in a down cycle. We believe oil and gas is going to be a good place to play on the longer term, and we’re in a substantial down cycle. Now is oil going to get back to $125 a barrel? No, I don’t think so. But I think it’s reasonable to assume that it’s going to get back to a healthier level, so we’re not afraid to buy assets. And you can get extremely -- potentially extremely good pricing, because you’ve got businesses in distress and -- but it’s not, I wouldn’t say, we are focused on oil and gas, and I don’t think I’ve said that. I just said, we -- we are not afraid to buy a business in a down cycle. Actually, you’ve there almost a reverse problem. If you are in a very strong up cycle, and you look at the sellers who are selling that business, they of course will take where they’re at the top of the cycle, and say they’re going to grow organically from that point, and they will never put a cycle -- down cycle in their estimates. So, you got to be careful on that side of the equation. So, we always put cycles in our acquisition models. We actually have an approach, where we can do Monte Carlo analysis and change the magnitude of the cycles, change the timing of the cycles, et cetera, so that we make sure we are paying the correct amount for the assets.

Christopher Glynn

Analyst

Okay. And I know it’s getting late, but last quarter you kind of pushed us to the low-end of the guidance, that proved prescient. Any way we should handicap the current range?

Frank S. Hermance

Analyst

Yes, I mean, that’s a great point. And if you recall, what I said at -- in one of the questions that one somebody asked in this meeting, right around the time we released guidance, I don’t remember exactly when oil hit $26 a barrel, but we were starting to feel that. And so therefore when I came out or we came out with guidance at -- a quarter ago, I pushed you towards the low-end, and I did that, because of the concern that did in fact materialize. I’m not sure; I think I’ve ever done that before in my 16 years of being a CEO. Normally we come out with a very balanced view on the guidance, not trying to push it one way or the other. And as I’ve already mentioned on this call, the guidance we are giving you now is balanced. In other words, we think there is as much upside potential, as there is downside risk. So, if things are weaker than what I’m saying, you could end up at the low-end. If things are better, you are going to be at the high-end. So it’s a balanced view and it’s not weighted in either direction. And so, which is much more consistent with what we’ve done in the past.

Christopher Glynn

Analyst

Sounds good. Thanks.

Frank S. Hermance

Analyst

All right.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Joe Giordano of Cowen.

Joe Giordano

Analyst

Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my questions here. Frank, I just want to clarify, did you mention earlier, in the Floorcare business, you mentioned down 10% organic in the first quarter and then expectation of flat for the full-year.

Frank S. Hermance

Analyst

Yes.

Joe Giordano

Analyst

So can you kind of talk us through where -- how you are getting to bridging that?

Frank S. Hermance

Analyst

Yes. That’s real simple. The second half of the year, last year was very weak. So the comp [indiscernible] easier.

Joe Giordano

Analyst

Okay, easy enough. And then a question on the guidance. Just I know we’ve talked about this a lot, but when you gave your initial guidance, and you were pointing us to the low end, were you contemplating like a second half appreciation in underlying markets that just didn’t materialize or …?

Frank S. Hermance

Analyst

No, it’s the reverse …

Joe Giordano

Analyst

[Multiple speakers] further.

Frank S. Hermance

Analyst

No, it’s the reverse. It’s really what I talked about in answer to the first question. It’s that oil and gas and the impact of metals deflation got worse. And I was feeling that around the time of the call, but we were unable to quantify it, because the market -- both of those markets sort of just clammed up, is what happened.

Joe Giordano

Analyst

Yes, So both guidance kind of ….

Frank S. Hermance

Analyst

I did the best I could to try to give you the best call I could give you, with what I knew at the time. [Multiple speakers] guidance. I mean, we did make our guidance so.

Joe Giordano

Analyst

Right. So, but it’s fair to say that both guidances had a flat trajectory from point A, it’s just it’s a lower starting point now?

Frank S. Hermance

Analyst

I think that’s fair.

Joe Giordano

Analyst

Okay. Thanks, guys.

Frank S. Hermance

Analyst

I think that’s fair, yes.

Operator

Operator

Your final question comes from the line of Nigel Coe of Morgan Stanley.

Nigel Coe

Analyst

Good morning, guys.

Frank S. Hermance

Analyst

Hello, Nigel.

Nigel Coe

Analyst

You’ve covered a lot of ground so, and certainly …

Frank S. Hermance

Analyst

That’s for sure.

Nigel Coe

Analyst

A couple quick ones. So, you took up your revolver in mid March from $700 million to $850 million …

Frank S. Hermance

Analyst

Yes.

Nigel Coe

Analyst

… and is that a signal of maybe size potential, maybe you need to see in the M&A backlog or was it -- am I just reading too much into that?

Frank S. Hermance

Analyst

Well, there is a couple factors and that was surely one of them, that we have a lot of banks who are willing to give us a lot of funding. So, we took advantage of that. But also you don’t like the term of your revolver to get near the end. You’ve better negotiating power when you’re not at the end, and so that also entered into this. And there are some signals that at some point in the future, interest rates are going to go up. So you are just in a better negotiating position. So that’s -- I mean, really those two factors that drove it. Bob, I don’t know if you have anything to add?

Robert R. Mandos

Analyst

No, I totally agree with what you said, Frank.

Frank S. Hermance

Analyst

All right.

Nigel Coe

Analyst

Okay, great. And the message on M&A is obviously very clear, but the stock price is down this morning. Is there any bias towards buying back stock at these levels versus M&A?

Frank S. Hermance

Analyst

The bias is definitely towards M&A. I mean, we’ve said and said repeatedly that the best way we create value for our shareholders is by buying companies and making them better, and that is the primary use of capital. Having said that, we will do opportunistic buybacks of stock. And I think Bob mentioned in his report that in the first quarter we did some. It was 2.4 million shares and we may very well continue that, but I don’t want to imply that that’s going to be a primary use of our cash. We can create better value for you, by buying companies and improving them.

Nigel Coe

Analyst

Okay. Very clear, Frank. Thanks.

Frank S. Hermance

Analyst

Okay, Nigel.

Operator

Operator

And there are no further questions at this time. I’ll turn the floor back over to the presenters for the closing remarks.

Frank S. Hermance

Analyst

Great. Thank you very much, Jenisha. Thanks everyone for joining the call today. A replay will be available on AMETEK.com and StreetEvents.com,. And as always, I’m available for further discussions today. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

This concludes today’s call. You may now disconnect.