Jay Horgen
Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please proceed with your question.
Thanks. Yes, thanks, Alex. Good morning to you. Maybe, Tom and I will each give you some perspective on this. From a top-down perspective, I would say that we just do fundraising alone on the private market side this year. If you look at - we didn't own Ara and Forbion, the whole year, but if you look at all of their fundraising activity through the course of the year, it was $16 billion on a base of about $100 billion. So, it gives you a sense of fundraising capabilities. And look, I think when we look out in the next couple of years, we think that the - in some cases, they're ahead of it. I mean, we have a number of infrastructure-related managers including Pantheon, which has a very sizable infrastructure business, but we also have Peppertree, which is an infrastructure. We have EIG, which is an infrastructure and we have Ara Partners, which is an infrastructure. So, I think we're sort of ahead of these trends we think. And so, we actually expect, you know that these trends will continue. Maybe even accelerate the other area, where I would say, we're still seeing extraordinary growth. I don't know how to otherwise characterize it is on the direct lending side with Comvest. And as you heard, Pantheon has created a secondary credit strategy where we think that's going to be meaningful as the secondaries business really develops around the primaries direct lending area. So we're very excited about some of these trends. We think we're ahead of them. So in addition to what we saw a strong this year, we see it potentially increasing. On the liquid alts side, I would say that we have seen here at AMG very clearly the benefits of these businesses in choppy times. So 2022, we had a terrific year in liquid alts, and I think clients have noticed. And as Tom said there repopulating with these strategies, I do think that if you're looking out several years, it is our expectation that clients will turn to these liquid alternatives to supplement what they're doing in their portfolios. The first thing that's important to note is they are liquid. And then the second thing to note is that there are, generally speaking, either absolute returns or lower or no correlation to markets, and we think that's very important, especially as we are headed for a different kind of period than what we've had in the past. So yes, I think that 50%, we do see growing both as a percentage of AMG and also driving our EBITDA growth. I would say that we're somewhere in the middle of this journey, having started three to five years ago. So, I do think in the next three to five years, we did see alternatives being two-thirds of our business and driven by a balance of both of those. And maybe I'll let Tom add, if you like, Tom.