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Algoma Steel Group Inc. (ASTL)

Q2 2024 Earnings Call· Fri, Nov 3, 2023

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Operator

Operator

Greeting. Welcome Algoma Steel Group Inc. Fiscal Second Quarter 2024 Earing Call. [Operator Instructions]. Please note this conference is being recorded. I will now turn conference over to your host Mike Moraca, Treasurer and Investor Relations Officer.

Mike Moraca

Analyst

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to Algoma Steel Group Inc's second quarter fiscal 2024 earnings conference call. Leading today's call are Michael Garcia, our Chief Executive Officer; and Rajat Marwah, our Chief Financial Officer. As a reminder, this call is being recorded and will be made available for replay later today in the Investors section of Algoma Steel's corporate website at www.algoma.com. I would like to remind you that comments made on today's call may contain forward-looking statements within the meaning of applicable securities laws, which involve assumptions and inherent risks and uncertainties. Actual results may differ materially from statements made today. In addition, our financial statements are prepared in accordance with IFRS, which differs from U.S.GAAP and our discussion today includes references to certain non-IFRS financial measures. Last evening, we posted an earnings presentation to accompany today's prepared remarks. The slides for today's call can be found in the Investors section of our corporate website. With that in mind, I would ask everyone on today's call to read the legal disclaimers on Slide 2 of the accompanying earnings presentation and also refer to the risks and assumptions outlined in Algoma Steel's First Quarter Fiscal 2024 Management's Discussion and Analysis. Please note that our financial statements are prepared using the U.S. dollar as our functional currency, and the Canadian dollar as our presentation currency. Our fiscal year runs from April 01 to March 31 and our financial statements have been prepared for the three and six months ended September 30, 2023. Please note all amounts referred to on today's call are in Canadian dollars unless otherwise noted. Following our prepared remarks, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. I will now turn the call over to our Chief Executive Officer, Michael Garcia.

Michael Garcia

Analyst

Thank you, Mike. Good morning and thank you for joining us to discuss our fiscal second results. As always, I will begin my remarks by addressing what truly matters most to us. The safety of all out employees. At Algoma we believe in safety without compromise and continued dedication has led to a significant improvement in our loss time injury frequency rate over the past decade. Furthermore, we bring the same focus and attention to safety as we continue progressing on the largest capital project in our history our EAF Transformation Project.I want to commend the team for working 420,000 hours with no loss time injuries to date and want to emphasize the importance of safety, especially as we enter the winter months. We will continue to work diligently as we relentlessly pursue our goal of achieving zero workplace injuries. Next, I'll cover key events and milestones during our fiscal second quarter and subsequent to its end. As well as update you on the progress of our transformative EAF project.I will then turn the call over to Rajat for a deeper dive into the numbers and the discussion of our strong liquidity and balance sheet before closing with an update on market conditions. Our results for the fiscal second quarter of 2024 were in line with our previously disclosed guidance for both shipments and adjusted EBITDA.These results reflect solid operational performance against a challenging backdrop in steel markets, where the recently resolved UAW strike at various US auto making facilities impacted demand and pricing. During the quarter, we continued progress on phase II of our plate mill modernization project. Including commissioning and testing of the inline shear. We expect the shear to be online later this month and to wrap up plate production through the end of the year.This higher…

Rajat Marwah

Analyst

Thanks, Mike. Good morning and thank you all for joining the call. Our second quarter results included adjusted EBITDA of CAD81 million which reflects an adjusted EBITA margin of 11.1%.Cash generated from operating activities was CAD57.2 million. We finished the quarter with CAD213 million of unrestricted cash and our $300 million revolving credit facility remains undrawn, representing total liquidity in excess of CAD500 million. We mentioned in our previous calls and included in our strategic direction, our focus on financial discipline.We have structured our balance sheet with the only long-term debt in the form of government loans linked to our capital projects and maintained a very low leverage profile with ample liquidity to manage through market fluctuations and complete our capital initiatives.I'll now dive into the key drivers of our performance in the quarter. We shipped 549,000 net tons in the quarter, up 26.1% as compared to the prior year period. Our plate and strip operations continued to run well and our normal seasonal maintenance is occurring as expected, including our annual steelmaking vessel realign. As a reminder, this normal seasonal maintenance typically reduces production by 20,000 tons to 30,000 tons.As a result, we would expect our fiscal third quarter production to be lower sequentially as compared to the fiscal second quarter.Net sales realizations averaged CAD12 to CAD13 per ton, down 4.3% versus the prior year period. The decrease versus the prior year levels primarily reflects overall softer market conditions in the quarter.Plate pricing continued to enjoy a significant premium relative to hot-rolled coil during the quarter, driven by resilient demand, particularly from spending on infrastructure projects and durable goods.As a reminder, we are the only discrete plate mill in Canada and we look forward to the incremental terms from the plate mill in the calendar fourth quarter and beyond…

Michael Garcia

Analyst

Thank you, Rajat. Looking at the state of the North American steel markethot-rolled coil index prices fell approximately 25% in the calendar third quarter as the concerns about and the reality of a UAW strike weighed on the market.Capacity was curtailed at several North American mills as a result, and inventories across distributors were drawn down.We do expect this to meaningfully impact EBITDA in the current fiscal quarter, as lower prices and lower shipments on account of our planned maintenance outages are felt. Looking further out as labor settlements have been reached over the last few days pricing has rapidly moved higher and we have seen forward curve pricing climb to near CAD1000 per ton, which will provide significant upside in the fourth fiscal quarter.We are also supported by the fact that plate pricing continues to demonstrate a significant premium as overall demand per plate products remains high which in turn continues to benefit our average price realizations. We will relentlessly maintain our primary focus of operational excellence and maintaining prudent financial discipline regardless of volatility in our end markets.This will ensure our ability to execute our EAF project, ushering in the next phase of our company that defines the future of Algoma, provides for the long term value creation of our stake holders and solidifies our leadership position at the forefront of green steel production in North America. Thank you very much for your continued interest in Algoma Steel. At this point we would be happy to take your questions. Operator, please give the instructions for the Q&A session.

Operator

Operator

Thank you and at this time we will be conduction question and answer session. [Operator Instructions].Our first question comes from the line of David Ocampo with Cormark Securities.

David Ocampo

Analyst

Thanks. I guess my first one here is for Rajat.Based on kind of your annual buys that you have for your raw materials and your new iron ore contract, do you guys think we've hit peak raw material prices and how should that trend into next year?

Rajat Marwah

Analyst

Yes. So for coal, definitely it comes down and I don't know you see how the index fluctuates, so that affects to some extent as we have two contracts right now running,but I would say that you are you're right that we should see cost coming down in the future.Normally, the winter months have some challenges primarily based on a high cost of utilities, natural gas and power that goes through, but other raw materials should start coming down as we go into the next year.

David Ocampo

Analyst

Okay and then I guess just sticking with you, Rajat, I mean, if I take a look at your inventory levels, they're still a little bit elevated.They actually saw an uptick in the quarter. Can you just walk us through how those raw materials or finished product begins to unwind and how much cash we can expect to unlock in the next several quarters?

Rajat Marwah

Analyst

Sure. So, we normally build during December and this is typical, and then we'll release in March, and then we'll do the same next year, but when you look at March to March, or March end to March end, we should release, you know, around CAD100 million in working capital and I say working capital, it includes inventories and some other on the payable side as they go hand in hand.So you'll see that happening and then there is another CAD50 million odd that we should see in the following year.So we should see that CAD150 million coming down. It's taking a little longer as I had mentioned earlier as well that we have inventories which will take a little bit longer to run down and this is primarily on the - on the raw material side. On the finished goods and [Indiscernible], as cost comes down, we should see that improving, but from tonnage perspective, we should see some optimization happening.

David Ocampo

Analyst

Got it and then my last one, it could be for whoever wants to take it, but you typically set your annual contracts around this time at least that 10% that you typically hold out on. Was this done before the resolution of the UAW strike or post the strike when we saw much better pricing conditions?

Michael Garcia

Analyst

David, this is Mike. I think it's happened throughout. It's still happening now. So it really depends on the specific customer and kind of the historical timeframe, but we definitely began it, on the cusp of the strike, but it's continuing to happen as we're speaking.

David Ocampo

Analyst

Okay perfect. Thank you so much.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Katja Jancic with BMO Capital Markets.

Katja Jancic

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets.

Hi, thank you for taking my questions. First, maybe on the plate side, I think you mentioned that the demand environment remains healthy and prices elevated, but what we're seeing in the U.S. that one of your peers has actually announced that they are reducing prices, and it seems that the demand environment is softening.Can you talk a bit more? Are you seeing a different environment in Canada and how much are you selling into the U.S. Market?

Michael Garcia

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets.

Thanks, Katja. This is Mike. So when you think of our plate book of business, the majority of it is in Canada. It's roughly a 70/30 split between Canada and the U.S. and again, I think as reflected in the spread, which still remains large and actually opened up a bit this week we are still seeing pretty robust demand for our plate business.I think there are some segments of the plate market that are maybe under a little bit more pressure than others. I'm sure you saw the cancellation of the wind tower projects, but that's not a segment that we're in.So we still feel relatively confident about the plate spread and where our book of business is.Does that help?

Katja Jancic

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets.

Yeah that's super helpful.Thank you for that and then just on near term costs side, given that the production level is going to be lower this quarter, how should we think about cost per ton, should they be higher or what are some of the puts and takes there?

Rajat Marwah

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets.

So it will be higher, just because of the volume.So the so the so when you look at puts and takes for the coming quarters, let's say or the coming quarter, at least, is that the volume definitely will impact, other costs are more or less very similar, utilities might continue, which is natural gas and power with some pressure on higher pricing.So that's how the next quarter will play out. Quarter after getting back to normal production levels, because the outages are out and then you still have the utility pressure and then you get into get into the summer months where you start getting into much normal situations.So that's how we see the costs playing out over the next couple of quarters.

Katja Jancic

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets.

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Ian Gillies with Stifel.

Ian Gillies

Analyst · Stifel.

Hi, everyone. With respect to the plate mill modernization and new shear being installed. If I recall correctly, I think that was supposed to be done at some point during this past quarter.It sounds like it's still ongoing. Has there been some sort of delay there impacted volumes or am I misreading the situation?

Michael Garcia

Analyst · Stifel.

No, I think what we had mentioned before was hot commissioning was beginning in this quarter. And we're pretty much right on schedule with that project.It is a pretty involved hot commissioning exercise and so we're still on track as we bring up that shear into more normal production in November and then consequently in December and through the first quarter of next year.

Ian Gillies

Analyst · Stifel.

Okay. That's helpful and as you think about once you get past the two brief outages next year,do you have a good sense of where you think volumes are going to be post that?Or is that number still a bit influx depending on what might happen and if you do have a good idea, would you be willing to quantify it for us?

Michael Garcia

Analyst · Stifel.

Well, I think what we're aiming for, prior to the firstoutage in April is to roll in a 10% to 15% increase in our plate business and then building from there.The plate business, it's a very important market segment for us. We are spending a lot of time with customers now about and it's really kind of two pieces.It's recovering our position at some of our historical plate customers. We had some challenging times last year with the commissioning and the startup from phase 1 of the projects.So we had a little bit of room to recover, so to speak, but we've made the type of improvements in quality and promised performance that we believe the customers require of us and now as we bring on more capacity steadily through next year, we'll build our business with the quality and promised performance improvements as well as the increased flow path to handle it.

Ian Gillies

Analyst · Stifel.

Okay. That's helpful. Thanks Mike. If I could just squeeze in one more. With respect to what you're seeing from your customers right now and as it pertains to the rise in HRC prices.How much of it do you think of this run is due to structurally stronger demand? And how much do you think is tied to inventories being rebuilt because I know buying had been pretty weak.I know it's a tough question to answer, but any commentary there I think would be helpful.

Michael Garcia

Analyst · Stifel.

Yes, it is a tough question to ask. Definitely, there is, an aspect of it and probably a significant aspect in the early days the first few weeks, couple of months that is tied more to a recovery from the positions people reach during the strike. Inventories were, I think, at two months, which is quite low.Lead times for the mills were out at eight weeks for the most part. So I think the initial stages of it have been a recovery from the concern and the specific outages tied to the UAW strike.I think going forward is where it'll really kind of demonstrate whether the rest of it, any further pricing beyond where we're reaching now will, I think, be more tied to fundamental demand and economic activity.

Ian Gillies

Analyst · Stifel.

Understood. Thanks very much. That’s helpful.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Lucas Pipes with B. RileySecurities.

Lucas Pipes

Analyst · B. RileySecurities.

Thank you very much for taking my question.The first one is circling back on annual contracts and with the decline in raw material costs in 2024, would you expect the margin on annual contracts to increase or stay the same go down would appreciate your perspective on that?

Rajat Marwah

Analyst · B. RileySecurities.

Sure. So, the contracts that we do are mostly index based and there is a very small amount that's on fixed price where you see that that happening, but overall, we should see margins improving because costs should get optimized and if the pricing remains at the level it is or lower, we should see higher margins. So relatively margins will be better because the cost comes down, but most of our contracts are index based, so it's heavily based on the on how the pricing moves throughout the year.

Lucas Pipes

Analyst · B. RileySecurities.

Got it and thank you for that and can you remind us roughly what percentage would be fixed versus loading?

Rajat Marwah

Analyst · B. RileySecurities.

We normally do around 5% or so fixed of our total bookand we normally do contracts around 50% to 60%. So 5% is fixed and the balances all flow based on monthly and quarterly contracts.

Lucas Pipes

Analyst · B. RileySecurities.

Very helpful. Thank you for that and then my second question is on your coke procurement during the transition phase. Can you remind us what the strategy varies, what would you expect the mix to look like? And any possible savings on the on the capital side, as you as you transition. Thank you very much for your color.

Michael Garcia

Analyst · B. RileySecurities.

Yes, Lucas. So we continue to maximize production from ourinternal coke batteries and we continue to spend critically required capital to maintain those batteries in a safe operating condition,but the fact remains, even when they're running very well, we are still short of coke.So we'll continue to purchase coke externally as we've done in the past. We always try to minimize that number, but we expect that go forward into the future and we've gotten a little bit of a benefit here recently because the market price of coke has come down pretty significantly, but our approach remains the same.We will have to maintain the batteries, even though they don't have a long life or a life for us beyond our final transition to EAF production, but we're still spending some amount of required sustaining capital to keep them safe and operating profit properly.Does that help?

Lucas Pipes

Analyst · B. RileySecurities.

It does.I do have a follow-up question. There's talk of some potential idling of blast furnace in 2024. So I would think that overall there's more coke available from a merchant basis.Is that tempting or when you kind of think about, if you just answered the question before that if you want to kind of maximize your internal needs, but is there a point where that can switch and where it makes more sense to buy more coke on a merchant base?

Michael Garcia

Analyst · B. RileySecurities.

Yes, I think at the end of the day, it comes down to economics.So we have to have a good understanding of our internal coke production cost, including the yield loss that you'll get in coke when you buy it externally and transport it here, but certainly if the economics change significantly in that decision internal production versus external purchase that's something we'll be tracking and be aware of and prepared to act on it.

Lucas Pipes

Analyst · B. RileySecurities.

And how quickly could a switch occurs that decision you have to kind of make once a year, or can you be flexible as the year progresses and supply demand changes?

Rajat Marwah

Analyst · B. RileySecurities.

Yeah. No, we can we can be pretty quick in that.It's not within days, but probably within months, we can we can switch. We don't have to wait for a year. Because what we do is that we do contract out based on our optimum production internally and if we have to switch that based on opportunity available in the market to buy at a price which offsets our own production then you have then we have that flexibility and we can move quickly within months.

Lucas Pipes

Analyst · B. RileySecurities.

Very helpful. Really appreciate all the color and continue best of luck. Thank you.

Rajat Marwah

Analyst · B. RileySecurities.

Thanks Lucas.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Ahmad Shaath with Beacon Securities.

Ahmad Shaath

Analyst · Beacon Securities.

Hi, guys.Just a really quick one for me on the EAF project. Did I read that right? The hybrid scenario is not on play anymore and you guys going to start commission on both EAFs, what your thoughts on the on the grid connectivity?

Michael Garcia

Analyst · Beacon Securities.

No, I think hybrid is definitely still in play, but what we mentioned was that we wanted to emphasize that we will be able to match our current output with only running EAFs coal charge and the power that is available today and with the recent decisions by [Indiscernible] and the completion of the system impact study.So there's been a full kind of understanding of the impact of our power demand and the nature of it by the operator of the grid in Ontario. And they've issued some conclusions based on that.However, we still have the optionality to continue to run our blast furnaces and take advantage of hot metal from those blast furnaces at a reduced blast furnace rate to augment our production through the EAFs if we want to increase the total amount of steel produced and again, that'll go back to the economics and how that decision looks from an economic perspective.

Ahmad Shaath

Analyst · Beacon Securities.

Got it. That's very helpful. And, maybe alittle bit related on that. On the carbon tax credits, I saw the, at least from an income statement perspective, the number was a little bit higher, but it doesn't look like it had a big impact on your cash flow.So maybe that's one for Rajat, just to walk us through as we go forward. How should we think about that? All the blast furnace is continuing to operate.

Rajat Marwah

Analyst · Beacon Securities.

Sorry, Ahmed, can you repeat the question?

Ahmad Shaath

Analyst · Beacon Securities.

Yeah. I'm just trying to understand the potential impact on your cash flow from the carbon tax payment, because it was substantial in this quarter, somewhat or CAD12 million.I haven't seen that number in a while. Maybe help us explain why they're a little bit bigger, but from a cash flow perspective, it doesn't look like it, in fact, operating cash flow.So just trying to understand how it will impact your numbers.

Rajat Marwah

Analyst · Beacon Securities.

Got it. I thought government tax.So yes, carbon tax, so the way to look at carbon tax is, roughly pay on 5% of our emissions, which is roughly 200,000 tons and the price for this year is CAD50 million and for next year is goes up by another CAD15 million.So that's how the total cash out comes out and normally if the cash out goes in November. From accounting perspective, it was based on the estimates that come out until the time they are finalized those estimates are looked at and the accounting happens and that's how you see a big number coming in this quarter, which is the September quarter, but from cash out perspective and total expense perspective, it still remains a simple math of roughly 200,000 tons on an average and the price that gets published each year on what we need to pay it on.

Ahmad Shaath

Analyst · Beacon Securities.

Thank you that is very helpful and last one for me, if I heard you correctly, you do expect margins to improve, but because of the volume situation in fiscal Q3, we should expect a small dip and then calendar 2024 margins should start improving?

Rajat Marwah

Analyst · Beacon Securities.

Correct.

Operator

Operator

We have reached the end of the question and answer session.I'll now turn the call back over to CEO, Michael Garcia, for closing remarks.

Michael Garcia

Analyst

Thank you again for your participation in our second quarter fiscal 2024 earnings conference call and for your continued interest in Algoma Steel.We look forward to updating you on our results and progress when we report our fiscal third quarter results scheduled for February.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Closing Remarks].