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Canaan Inc. (CAN)

Q1 2023 Earnings Call· Fri, May 26, 2023

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Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by, and welcome to Canaan Inc. First Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in listen-only mode. After the managements prepared remarks, we will have a question-and-answer session. Please note that this event is being recorded. Now, I'd like to hand the conference over to your speaker host today, Mr. Clark Soucy, Investor Relations Director of the company. Please go ahead, Clark.

Clark Soucy

Management

Thank you. Hello, everyone, and welcome to our earnings conference call. The company's financial and operating results were released by newswire services earlier today and are currently available online. Joining us today are our Chairman and CEO, Mr. Nangeng Zhang; and our CFO, Mr. Jin Cheng James. In addition, Mr. Leo Wang, IR Senior Director; and Ms. Xi Zhang, IR Manager, will also be available during the question-and-answer session. Mr. Zhang will start the call by providing an overview of the company and performance highlights for the quarter. Mr. Cheng will then provide details on the company's operating and financial results for the period before we open up the call for your questions. Before we continue, I would like to refer you to our safe harbor statement in our earnings press release. Today's call will include forward-looking statements. These statements include, but are not limited to, our outlook for the company and statements that estimate or project future results of operations or the performance of the company. These statements speak only as of the date hereof and the company assumes no obligation to revise any forward-looking statements that may be made in today's press release, call or webcast, except as required by law. These statements do not guarantee future performance and are subject to risks, uncertainties and assumptions. Please refer to the press release and the risk factors and documents we filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including our most recent annual report on Form 20-F for information on risks, uncertainties and assumptions that may cause actual results to differ materially from those set forth in such statements. In addition, during today's call and webcast, we'll discuss both GAAP financial measures and certain non-GAAP financial measures, which we believe are useful as supplemental measures of the company's performance. These non-GAAP measures should be considered in addition to and not as a substitute for or in isolation from GAAP results. You can find additional disclosures regarding these non-GAAP measures, including reconciliations with comparable GAAP results in our earnings press release, which is posted on the company's website. With that, I will now turn the call over to our Chairman and CEO, Mr. Nangeng Zhang. Please go ahead.

Nangeng Zhang

Management

Hello, everyone. I’m Nangeng, the CEO of Canaan. Thank you for joining our conference call. James and I are at the company's headquarters in Singapore, sharing the quarterly report conference call with you. Compared to Q4 of previous year, Q1 of 2023 has brought more hope to the become (ph) mining industry. Although, the bitcoin price still fluctuates, it has generally stepped out of the bear market as shown and . The confidence of miners has gradually recovered and coupled with the traditional peak season in the first quarter, there are signs of our revival in purchasing demand. Although, the purchasing power of large miners is still limited by cash flow phase of facility construction and the financing environment. This has not affected the positive trend of the market. Regarding, (ph) the selling price in the mining machine market is still declining and the first quarter is still in a bad market state. In this ever changing market environment, we believe that maintaining strategic continuity and timely adjusting tactical decisions according to market economics are equally important. In other words, we need to keep investing in business and assets that bring long-term value while also carefully handling our company's balance sheet. I would like to introduce to investors the four strategic focuses that we have been concentrating on and our actions in this area. First, we insist on long-term R&D and the production capacity investment. Second, we continue to develop and improve our multifaceted sales system to connect and assist global customers. Third, we adhered to our own mining strategy, overcome difficulties and continue to expand mining deployment. Finally, we maintain a solid balance sheet and accumulate valuable assets with great potential. I will elaborate on these four points one by one. Firstly, we are committed to R&D and the…

James Cheng

Management

Thank you, Nangeng, and good day, everyone. This is James speaking in our Singapore headquarters. Firstly, I would like everyone to notice that we have changed our reporting currency. Starting from January 1, 2023, we decided to change our reporting currency from renminbi or so-called Chinese Yen to U.S. dollars. The change of the reporting currency will better illustrate the results of our global sales and is another important step in our internationalization strategy. We have applied the change of reporting currency retroactively to our historical results of operations and financial statements. It will also be easier for our investors to read and analyze our financial reports in one currency. As Nangeng started the call with the first quarter of 2023 was challenging due to the revised but still weak market demand and declining selling price. From company perspective, we are committed to maintaining our strategic continuity. We kept investing in R&D and in production capacity, we developed and upgraded our sales system to reach global customers, we continued to expand our mining deployment, and we strive to maintain a healthy cash flow and accumulate assets with strong growth potential for our shareholders. Overall speaking, in quarter one, total revenue generated was $55.2 million, which did not meet our guidance of $65 million. The gap consisted of approximately $6 million in machine sales and $4 million in mining business. Let's begin by discussing our machine sales. Our revenue of mining machine sales was $43.7 million in this quarter, 7.6% lower than $47.3 million for the last quarter. In the first quarter of 2023, the industry was affected by inventory competition, financing environment and cash flow, and the average selling price of computing power continued to decline. We actually increased our sales volume in computing power, reaching 4.2 million terahash per…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. Your first question today comes from the line of Kevin Dede from H.C. Wainwright. Please proceed.

Kevin Dede

Analyst

Thank you very much for taking my question. I was wondering, if you might be able to offer a self-mining hash rate target for the year maybe disclose a little bit on what you're seeing in terms of the availability of hosting sites? And then secondly, I was hoping you could share a little more geographic information on equipment sales. It's very comforting to see that sales are growing outside of North America. And I was wondering, if you might be able to segment sales from Asia, North America and European framework. Thank you very much.

Nangeng Zhang

Management

As we mentioned, as of March, 31, the deployed computing power at our mining farms exceeded 5 exahash per second. However, in the first quarter, the install of computing power was lower than expected due to weather conditions and the contract exclusion issues, resulting in total installed hash rate was over 4 exahash per second. In the second quarter, we entered into a mining partnership with Stronghold in early May, which involved 4,000 mine machines, which is a total capacity of 0.4 exahash per second. At the same time, we are also exploring more mining partnership opportunities in regions with abundant energy resources around the world. Our mining business has expanded into many geographical regions where we had no premise present. The local critical economic and infrastructure conditions in these areas are complex and subject to change, which cost challenges to our disapprobation (ph) and development efforts. This further at our team's operational capabilities and ability to adapt to changes. And therefore, we have a more contracts outlook on mining expansion. We currently estimate that the install mining harvest in Q2 will be around 4.5 exahash. This forecast is based on the current operating conditions and the actual situation may be deployed. Mining is a long-term strategic focus for us and asset complements our mining machine sales business and allow for the effective utilization of more inventory. We will actively and prudently collaboration alternatives negotiate terms of cooperations, and strive to continuously increase the installed mining hacker (ph) to generate bitcoin mining income.

James Cheng

Management

Yeah. I will take the second question from Kevin. It's about the geographical situation of the mining industry. I think the leading market is still United States, but it looks like the inventory no matter new machines or second-hand machines are still quite sufficient inside the whole North America market. So it looks like the more opportunities come from Southeast Asia, Middle East and even South America market. And we noticed some retail customers are ordering machines even from Africa and from Western Europe. I think, it depends on the energy of the local level usage. I think the mining business will grow as we expected to global level and more and more areas will join this mining business. And it will rapidly change because of different locations may have different regulations coming out related to mining. But from our perspective, we would like to see all kinds of opportunities, especially like in this quarter, we had the connection with Malaysia and Thailand distributor, which enabled us to touch the customers locally in those two countries. We will develop more, as CEO said, build up our sales channels to make sure we're get in touch with our customers locally. And we also would like to continue the dialogue with big clients in North America. Cipher is just beginning of us. So we have confidence to discuss more customers -- discuss with more customers and let them enjoy the A13 machines for their mining purpose. So I hope that answers your question, Kevin.

Kevin Dede

Analyst

Yes. So phenomenal. I really appreciate the detail. I hear great things about the A13, but I cannot leave the call without hearing from Nangeng what bitcoin price is going to be this year?

Nangeng Zhang

Management

Okay. I think -- in short-term, I think -- I think that we have no need to do mid-term or long-term prediction of bitcoins. But for short-term, I think the bitcoin price is related to the economical environment, especially for U.S. So I think you know the answer. I think you know the numbers. Yeah. The focus that will arise in the second half of this year, I trust my .

Kevin Dede

Analyst

Great. Thank you very much, gentlemen. I appreciate the opportunity to ask questions. Thank you very much.

Nangeng Zhang

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

One moment for the next questions. Next, we have the line from Shuang Sun from Guosheng Securities. Please go ahead.

Shuang Sun

Analyst

So I want to ask that please, just for the deals (ph) the new progress and application scenarios of the company's AI edge computing chips (ph)?

Nangeng Zhang

Management

Okay. Recently the AI industry represented by products like ChatGPT has revealed at an important part. The reason -- I think the reason why the AI industry has not involved as developed as expected over the years is not due to AI sales, but rather like many other industries. It is the result of contradiction between the users' expectations for the product capabilities and what the industry can provide at a certain cost. When AI products can truly bring significant benefits to users, then you see the result. So the service policy is very positive. Therefore, I'm currently risk -- extracting the company's AI department and business to ensure that our technology and investments can embrace the future of AGI, artificial general intelligence. I mean, word in the short to medium. But in the short to medium term, we believe that an important function of AIoT and edge AI is to convert real world like images, songs and sensor data into text and code or call information that can be understood by large time remodels like ChatGPT. While complex decision making is not a stress for edge AI today. This is a large lenders models excel. Our K230 chip has highly efficient HAI capabilities and advantages in terms of low cost and low power consumption. Therefore, we are adjusting the direction of our product locations to adapt to this trend. In the long run, as I mentioned in the CEO remarks, I will explore ways to horizontally expand our technology and participate in future and broader transformations. We aim to bring value to our customers through more general purpose computing power products and services and support society progress.

Shuang Sun

Analyst

Is there any upside to the company's mining business going forward due to the very high transaction fees, explain. (ph)

Nangeng Zhang

Management

Yeah. I think according to , transaction fees will become an important complements for miners income after multiple hikes. It appears that the industry is developing as expected. So recently, due to events like BRC20 on the increase in bitcoin transaction fees has been beneficial for both miners and our all mining business. Situation where the network's total computing power remains constant. Miners can earn more mining fees. So we hope that miners and ourselves can improve our financial situation and that our customers can recover their purchasing power more quickly.

Shuang Sun

Analyst

Because the overall, as our company has a growing supply of recording on your balance sheet, what is your strategy for potentially selling them?

Nangeng Zhang

Management

Currently, we do not have any plans to sell our bitcoin and there are several reasons for that. Firstly, our mining operations are still in the early stages of scaling up. So we have been focused on the development. You may notice that we do sell mine bitcoin to cover our mining facilities the electricity costs, which helps minimize our cash outflow. Regarding whether we will sell the bitcoin, we hold to profit future price appreciation. We have recently heard this question from several investors. While we have had many internal discussions on this topic, but due to our belief that bitcoin is undervalued combined with our long-term confidence in this global adoption, we are currently not considering sales in our bitcoin in the upcoming quarters. If the price of bitcoin experienced a significant increase, we will revisit these topics and evaluate it.

Shuang Sun

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Next up, we have the line from Mike Legg from The Benchmark Company. Please go ahead.

Mike Legg

Analyst

Thank you. Good morning. Could you comment a little bit about the Cipher 11,000 unit sale plus you mentioned you had another 36,000 units being sold. Can you comment on what you're seeing from a pricing environment with that and how margins are holding up there?

James Cheng

Management

Thank you, Michael. This is James. I think -- yeah, recently, we have secured more large scale orders, including the agreement with Cipher, 11,000 machines. I personally joined the meeting with Cipher team in New York and also in Singapore. Honestly, I think we like their strategic ambition and their professional execution capability. So I'm happy to consider our A13 series, very suitable for their new mining operation in West Texas. I think the deal benefits both Cipher and Canaan. In terms of the price trend about the whole current price environment, it looks like the customer demand is coming back step by step. It looks like, the inventory of the market, no matter new machine or second-hand machines are still quite sufficient, especially in North America. So the price did not coming up. Instead, in quarter one, we saw the price going down. So it looks like currently, the demand is getting back, but the price is still low. It looks like the bitcoin price continued to increase a little bit with some turbulence recently. But we still anticipate in the coming months, bitcoin price could be coming up again. With that trend, the selling price has challenged to going up. But currently, nobody can assure that. So I just let you frankly express myself and let you know my thinking. Thank you, Michael.

Mike Legg

Analyst

Just a follow-up. Can you comment on the inventory, which -- how much of it is finished goods versus raw materials chips? And then also, how long do you depreciate your mining equipment for on the decor mining side?

Nangeng Zhang

Management

Currently, I think looking at the overall situation in the mining machine market, customer purchasing demands have partly recovered, and also reflected a significant growth of 126.8% in the company's first quarter computing power sales compared to the previous quarter. However, I think the financial situation of miners is still not optimistic. So the last purchasing power. On the other hand, the market inventory supply is relatively by the selling price mining machines remains at a low level. I think compared to the end of December, we have seen a rebound in the comprise in the past over one quarter. This has got better mining profit to miners and help improve their financial situation. So in the industry cycle, some miners have going with restructuring and the new miners continue to enter the market, driving the continuous increase in the network computing power. As mining from construction gradually completes and the weather in the more Northern hemisphere worked up, leaded to abandoned hydroelectricity resources. It is expected to future stimulate the demand of computing power and provides part of the selling price. Let's see.

James Cheng

Management

I think, Michael, you asked about the depreciation of our mining machines deployed in the mining farms. Actually, it's 18 months as our depreciation policy. Usually, we -- after 18 months, the order depreciation will be completed. And about the inventory combination, I should say the finished goods are not that huge inventory, it's less than 50% of the total inventory we put and also some steel wafers and still chips. And it takes time to assemble those materials in to machines. So, so far, we also control the speed of the assembling, make sure the inventory is just sufficient, not too much to increase the storage costs or too small to have shortages. So I think that's our inventory status. I don't know, if I answer your question, Michael?

Mike Legg

Analyst

Yes, that was perfect. Thank you very much. Appreciate it and congrats on completing the quarter. Thanks.

James Cheng

Management

Thank you, Michael.

Operator

Operator

Thank you for the questions. Our last question comes from the line of Jiaer Zhu from China Renaissance. Please go ahead.

Jiaer Zhu

Analyst

A13 series. I just want to know what is the estimate revenue contribution for A13 series product this year? And also, in terms of the pricing strategy, do we see any increased room for our ASP per thash in Q3 or Q4? That's my first question.

James Cheng

Management

I think this is a very specific question about the A12 and A13 series. We have this transition period to try to clear the inventory of A12 model and also the A13 series after the launch, the customer's test and also they start to place orders in quarter one. It looks like the performance of A13 series is better than what we expected. In quarter one, the total revenue of A13 series is already occupying like 47% of total machine sales revenue. So we have confidence that quarter two A13 series were definitely becoming our biggest revenue source. And for A12 series, I think our target is trying to clear the inventory before end of quarter three. But of course, as soon as possible, we do have a very low price for A12 currently. About our price strategy in the coming quarters, I think as previously mentioned, the demand currently is still in a weak level. And it looks like we need time to collect the demand back and also getting the price come back to normal. So I think quarter three will be the quarter we see the price going up most likely. We hope it will happen. And we also consider there is a possible increase of A13 series price. But currently, in quarter two, we didn't do that because the market inventory digestion is still ongoing. So hopefully, in quarter three and quarter four, we can see more positive changes. That's my answer.

Jiaer Zhu

Analyst

I have a follow-up because I remember that last quarter call, we mentioned that we expect maybe A13 series will account for 70% to 80% of total revenue in -- for the whole year. So just wondering if this number will improve a little bit given the better performance on A13 series product.

James Cheng

Management

Yeah. Currently, I still think A13 series could be higher than 70% of the total year sales because in quarter four, if we -- if our projection about the bitcoin price is very correct, then in quarter four will become a peak season. At that time, A13 series will have good sales in quarter four. So during the whole year, I still think A13 series could be 70% to 80% of total sales. And yes, and I think let's hope it to happen because the price can even have an upside that will be better. Thank you, Jiaer.

Jiaer Zhu

Analyst

Okay. Got you. And my second question is, in terms of the mining business revenue contribution. I know that in first quarter, the revenue contribution was to around 20%, right? So just wondering, in a longer-term basis, what's the -- what the reasonable revenue mix is? How should we think the reasonable revenue contribution for mining business, maybe in a longer-term consideration?

James Cheng

Management

Yeah, Jiaer. I think this is a very good question. From a company, we do both machine sales in semiconductor design field and also to mining business. I think from our current view is like our mining revenue is about 20% of the total business. We expect it to remain within the range like 15% to 20% in the future. Of course, we should try our best to expand our deployed machines and increase our hash rate in future. But I think the thing is based on -- we can sell more machines rather than quarter one. It looks like in quarter one, machine sales, we are still in the bear market that makes the 20% of mining business. And actually, from a long-term perspective, my personal view is that it should be like 20% to 30% in our total business. We are still a company measured in doing -- in manufacturing and design machines. And then the mining business will continue to grow, but we will leave more room to our customers in a modest way. Thank you, Jiaer.

Jiaer Zhu

Analyst

Thank you. I got you. All clear. Thank you very much.

James Cheng

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

As there are no further questions now, I'd like to turn the call back over to the company for any closing remarks.

Nangeng Zhang

Management

Thank you, again, everyone for joining our call today. If you have any further questions, please feel free to reach out to us through the contact information provided on our website and thank you again.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. That concludes today's call. Thank you, everyone for attending. You may now disconnect.