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CBIZ, Inc. (CBZ)

Q1 2015 Earnings Call· Thu, Apr 30, 2015

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Operator

Operator

Good morning and welcome to the CBIZ First Quarter 2015 Results Conference Call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions] After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. [Operator Instructions] Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Steven Gerard, Chairman and CEO, please go ahead.

Steven Gerard

Analyst · First Analysis. Please go ahead

Thank you, Emily. Good morning everyone. Thank you for calling into our first quarter 2015 results conference call. Before I begin my comments, I would like to remind you of a few things. As with all our conference calls, this call is intended to answer the questions of our shareholders and analysts. If there are media representatives on the call, you’re welcome to listen in. However I ask that if you have questions you hold them for after the call and we’ll be happy to take them at that time. The call is also being webcast and you can access the call over our website. You should have all received a copy of the press release which we issued this morning and if you did not, you can also access that on our Web site. Finally, please remember that during the course of our call, we may make forward-looking statements. These statements represent management’s intentions, hopes, beliefs, expectations and predictions of the future. Actual results can and sometimes do differ materially from those projected in the forward-looking statements. Additional information concerning the factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those in the forward-looking statements is contained in our SEC filings, Form 10-K and other press releases. Joining me on the call this morning is Jerry Grisko, our President and Chief Operating Officer and Ware Grove, our Chief Financial Officer. Prior to the opening, we were pleased to release our first quarter results for 2015. We posted revenue up 5.5% and earnings per share on a consistent basis double that which is what our strategy has been. First quarter came in very close to where we thought it was going to be. And I would like to turn it over to Ware now to give you the details and then I'll come back and talk a little bit about our pipeline, the market as we see it and some other events within the company.

Ware Grove

Analyst · Sidoti & Company, please go ahead

Thank you, Steve and good morning everyone. As we normally do, I want to take a few minutes to run through the numbers we released this morning for the first quarter results ended March 31, 2015. Now as we do this, just remember that results for the first quarter of 2014 have been restated to reflect the impact of several discontinued operations. Thanks to the efforts of the many CBZ associates who are working hard to serve clients. As Steve commented we are very happy that results for the first quarter ended March 31, 2015 are in line with our expectations. Total revenue in the first quarter was $213.9 million an increase by 4.5% compared with the year ago. As we indicated earlier this year, we need to adjust prior year revenue for the sale of the Miami office which occurred in the fourth quarter of 2014. For the full year 2014, the Miami office recorded approximately $5.4 million of revenue and in the first quarter a year ago, the Miami office recorded approximately $1.9 million of revenue. Making that adjustment the revenue in the first quarter this year grew by 5.5% compared with the adjusted revenue in the first quarter a year ago. The underline same unit revenue grew by $4.6 million, which is up 2.2% in the first quarter this year compared with prior year and adjusting for the sale of the Miami office acquisitions contributed an additional $6.5 million to revenue growth. We are very pleased that we're able to increase margin on pre-tax income from continuing operations by 30 basis points and therefore as Steve commented we leveraged our revenue growth into a faster rated growth on the bottom line. Earnings per share from continuing operations was $0.38 per fully diluted share for the first quarter…

Steven Gerard

Analyst · First Analysis. Please go ahead

Thank you Ware, and let me comment first on what we think -- what we are seeing with our clients. As I indicated it, in the last quarterly call I think our clients are cautiously optimistic about their growth opportunities in 2015, notwithstanding this morning's GEP numbers. We are still highly confident in our ability to hit this guidance that we've issued in February. As we've indicated for the next six months we're going to be focused on the retirement of our convertible note, we are very comfortable with the facts that we've more than enough capability within our revolver that we redid last year to take those notes out, either before or at maturity and we will continue to look at the option of a cash or a combination of cash and stock purchase as we have done before. Our businesses are operating as I indicated in my preface, pretty much on line with where we thought they were going to be as in any company with the multiple units that we have, some are stronger than others but I’d like to reiterate what I've been trying to convey for 14 years which is that any one quarter numbers will go up and down by business unit and we tend to look at our units over a period of time. With that let me start, I'll come back and talk about M&A and some of the things later and let me take, let's take the questions from our analysts and shareholders.

Operator

Operator

Thank you and we'll now begin the question and answer session. [Operator instructions] Our first question is from Jim MacDonald at First Analysis. Please go ahead.

Jim MacDonald

Analyst · First Analysis. Please go ahead

Could you give a little more detail on financial services, I believe last year was a -- should have been an easy comparison given the weather which I think pushed backed some revenue into Q2, so even though you're looking at an adjusted 2.7% same store, any view on how that would be with the weather impact and basically how is the accounting business doing?

Steven Gerard

Analyst · First Analysis. Please go ahead

Yes, let me give you two data points which may help. We had weather issues in the first quarter of this year as most people know both primarily in the North east, two very large offices, New York and Boston. So we're going to see some of the same phenomenon that we saw a year ago, we've worked that, might have gotten done, had it not been for all the snow, that will drag into the second or third quarter. Let me also tell you that we are running this year in the first quarter as high a utilization rate as we ever have before, so what that tells us is everybody's fully working and they’re busy, so that any of the work that might not have gone down across the country, we think we're going to pick up in the second and third quarter.

Jim MacDonald

Analyst · First Analysis. Please go ahead

And any other shifts, I mean have you -- is their continued shift, people delaying their filings and things, is that impacting comparisons and all?

Steven Gerard

Analyst · First Analysis. Please go ahead

No, there isn't, no we're not aware of people shifting by on their own, we off course try to balance out the work on the tax returns, so where they can be extended, the clients come toward that, we certainly push to do that to even it all out. But I don’t think we've seen a fundamental shift in client demand. I think what we've seen is everybody here on the financial services side have been working very, very hard, some of our national practices which is more than just the government healthcare business, our risk-in advisory business which is project related was strong. Our real estate advisory business which is in there on a competitive basis with the first quarter of last year was strong. So we've actually seen while the financial services [cells] were full out it's very hard to grow even faster than that because they're all at full utilization. So we really saw any of the slack that might have come in -- that might have been there, was picked up by the natural practices anyway. We're not looking at the first quarter and saying that this is the real issue for us, we're very confident that the guidance we gave in the beginning of the year, we should be able to meet or exceed.

Jim MacDonald

Analyst · First Analysis. Please go ahead

Okay, let me just ask one more and I’ll get back in queue, so, yes thank you, also hoping that same store growth will get back to maybe over 3% for this year, so you still believe in that after a 2.2% in the first quarter?

Steven Gerard

Analyst · First Analysis. Please go ahead

Yes.

Jim MacDonald

Analyst · First Analysis. Please go ahead

Okay, I'll get back in queue.

Operator

Operator

Next question is from Steve McManus of Sidoti & Company, please go ahead.

Steve McManus

Analyst · Sidoti & Company, please go ahead

My first question I kind of wanted to just get a little bit more insight as to where you're seeing the strongest growth within the employee services segment?

Steven Gerard

Analyst · Sidoti & Company, please go ahead

Quarter over quarter we're seeing the strongest growth in property and casualty, in payroll and retirement plan services. As Ware pointed out the employee benefits business which performed very well by the way, there is a timing issue with the receipt of some of the carrier bonuses which we think will pick up in the second quarter, or those results would have been slightly higher. But we're seeing pretty good results in all of those we have a couple of business units as we talked about before that the revenue might be flat to down particularly our life insurance business and our wholesale business. But given you the areas and I think we’ve covered them to, so were we're seeing particular strength.

Steve McManus

Analyst · Sidoti & Company, please go ahead

And then on corporate G&A as a percentage sales drop is about 40 basis points year-over-year. Is that a fair run rate to kind of expect moving forward through ’15 or do you expect improve leverage throughout the year?

Ware Grove

Analyst · Sidoti & Company, please go ahead

We expect some leverage for the year it may not be the full 30 or so basis points we recognized in the first quarter because we have a lot of revenue to leverage. But yes the run rate is not in consistent with what we should expect for the balance of the year.

Steven Gerard

Analyst · Sidoti & Company, please go ahead

If you looked at the -- and I assume -- I know you have, if you looked at the details in the 10-K that we filed you will have picked up -- everyone will picked up the fact that we've been very successful in settling some of our largest most costly legal issues. So we're expecting that we're picking up and have some year-over-year pick up in that area in particular.

Steve McManus

Analyst · Sidoti & Company, please go ahead

Okay any changes with respect to the project base work? Has it picked up a bit or still relatively same?

Steven Gerard

Analyst · Sidoti & Company, please go ahead

As I indicated earlier in the first quarter we got a better pick up in our project related businesses. But that’s a lumpy business and so it's hard to predict whether there is trend there in our government services business we had a cooler than expected fourth quarter because some projects got delayed and they were picked up in the first quarter. Our Risk and advisory business is also a project related business and we've seen more activity. But I think it's too early to call that is to whether that’s going to be a major trend this year or if we just benefited within the quarter.

Steve McManus

Analyst · Sidoti & Company, please go ahead

And my last one, I know you mentioned you were going to get to the M&A. But just wanted to kind of get your thoughts on target areas of focus and what you're seeing in terms of pricing on that condition front.

Steven Gerard

Analyst · Sidoti & Company, please go ahead

I can deal with that; right now our target area is been consistent over the last few years. Obviously, only in the business we’re in today; we're going to continue to focus on financial services business and most of our employee services business we expect to do the traditional three to six transactions a year based on what we see now. Pricing has not dramatically changed from where it was last year, acquisitions are highly opportunistic and while we have a good pipeline I don’t think there is anything spectacular then we are going to report in the next month or two. But we've got a good enough pipeline to fill up our needs for this year.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question is a follow up from Jim MacDonald of First Analysis. Please go ahead.

Jim MacDonald

Analyst · First Analysis. Please go ahead

Just a couple of quick things. So you mentioned the commission impact on health benefits is there a way we can get approximate quantification of how much was differed?

Steven Gerard

Analyst · First Analysis. Please go ahead

The revenue was a little flat and it might be couple of hundred thousand dollar plus or minus that spills over from a timing perspective. It's not huge but it certainly has an impact on margin because it's incrementally all drops through to the bottom line when that timing occurs.

Jim MacDonald

Analyst · First Analysis. Please go ahead

And I noted in other income, both this year and last year had a reduction in the contingent earn out liability; this year a little bit more. Is that -- can you talk about that at all? And I guess is that from some of your acquisition not performing quite as well as expected?

Steven Gerard

Analyst · First Analysis. Please go ahead

We have to be careful about that because the way the accounting is we have to estimate when we do the acquisition, what the earnings are going to be. Although what our payout is going to be, most of the time it's based around EBITDA. So inevitably what you do is you take a look at the most that you can give and you come as close to that as you can to justify for the accountant to book the liability. So there is a difference between that number and what might have been expected when you close the transaction based on IRR basis. And sometimes those adjustments are made just to bring it back in line to what we're seeing in reality. So it's not always we didn’t get what we expected it might be -- we didn’t get what we could have gotten if they had really outperformed. Having said that from time to time we actually have acquisition that don’t perform quite as well. So it's really a combination of both things.

Operator

Operator

This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Steven Gerard for any closing remarks.

Steven Gerard

Analyst · First Analysis. Please go ahead

Okay, we thank you all for calling in. I thank all of our associates who've listened in. I congratulate all of you on being part of the company that won the Forbes Best Place to Work In consulting and accounting, that goes to your efforts and your commitment to our company and I know the shareholders appreciated it. To everyone else we look forward to a good second quarter and we will look forward to reporting the same in July. Thank you.