Thank you for standing by. This is the conference operator. Welcome to the Cameco Corporation Second Quarter 2025 Results Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] The conference is being recorded. [Operator Instructions] The Q&A session will conclude at 9:00 a.m. Eastern. I would now like to turn the conference over to Cory Kos, Vice President, Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Thank you, operator, and good morning, everyone. Welcome to Cameco's second quarter conference call. I would like to acknowledge that some of us are speaking from our corporate office today, which is in Saskatchewan on Treaty 6 territory, the traditional territory of the Cree People and the homeland of the Métis. Today, we're also dialing in from Toronto, which is on Treaty 13 territory, in the traditional territory of many nations, including the Mississaugas of the Credit, the Anishinaabe, the Chippewa, the Haudenosaunee, and the Wendat Peoples, and now home to many diverse First Nations, Inuit and Métis peoples. With us in Toronto are Tim Gitzel, President and CEO; and Grant Isaac, Executive VP and CFO. Joining from our Saskatoon headquarters, we have Heidi Shockey, Senior VP and Deputy CFO; and Rachelle Girard, Senior VP and Chief Corporate Officer. I will hand it over to Tim momentarily to briefly discuss the positive momentum that continues to drive more and more interest in the nuclear markets and the excellent financial performance through the first half of the year that has kept Cameco in a solid financial position. After, we will open it up to your questions. Today's call will be approximately 1 hour, concluding at 9:00 a.m. Eastern Time. While our goal is to be open and transparent with our communication, we do want to respect everyone's time and conclude the call by 9:00 a.m. Therefore, should we not get to your questions during this call, or if you would like to follow up and get detailed financial modeling questions about our first half results, we'd be happy to respond to any follow-up inquiries. There are a few ways to contact us with additional questions. You can reach out to the contacts provided in our news release. You can submit a…

Well, thank you, Cory, and good morning, everyone. We appreciate you taking the time to join our discussion today. Hope everyone is doing well and has had the chance to enjoy some quality time with friends and family over the summer or winter, depending on where you are in the world today. Our industry is typically quieter during July and August, but with all the attention nuclear has been getting, especially in the past couple of months, we've had very little downtime. In fact, as Cory mentioned, Cory, Grant and I are calling in from Toronto today, where we are once again meeting with government representatives to talk about nuclear power. We're excited to be working not only with our local, provincial and Canadian governments, but with policymakers from the U.S. and from around the world. These types of discussions and the actions that they generate are critical to expanding nuclear energy in Canada and abroad and ensuring the industry is supported by a secure nuclear fuel cycle. Canada's significant uranium resources and nuclear service infrastructure not only makes our country a key player in the global nuclear fuel supply chain, but it also positions Canada as a leader in enhancing global energy security and supporting clean energy solutions. With our operations across the fuel and reactor life cycles, we believe Cameco is positioned as a central pillar supporting the wave of new nuclear plans announced in recent months. Here in Ontario, OPG has received full approval to begin construction of the first of 4 planned SMR units, representing what could be the first commercial grid-scale SMRs in North America. In the U.S., the resurgence of interest in nuclear has resulted in plans to build 10 new reactors across various states, creating opportunities for Westinghouse and its AP1000 reactor technology.…

[Operator Instructions] The first question today comes from Orest Wowkodaw with Scotiabank.

A question about Westinghouse. Since the acquisition, obviously, the outlook for nuclear globally has improved considerably. Yet your 5-year CAGR guidance for the business hasn't changed at 6% to 10%. Can you give us some color on why that is? And is it just a function of that most of the -- is it more of a timing issue where you expect most of the upside from new business to show up after that 5-year mark? Or is there anything else we should think about in that? And I do recognize it excludes the windfall IP settlements from the Koreans. But just curious on how to think about that growth range in the context of all these positive announcements on nuclear.

Orest, this is Tim. Thanks for the question. It's a great question. And I'm going to pass it over to Grant in a minute. Grant sits on the Board. He's one of our directors on the Westinghouse Board. So he's deep into that subject. But before I do, just if you'll allow me, I just want to make a statement on -- last night, we got some news from one of the communities up north. We've been fighting forest fires up there. It seems perpetually since May. They just keep coming and coming. And there's an ongoing wildfire situation and evacuation that we heard about last night yesterday at the Northern Village of Pinehouse. Pinehouse is a community we're very close to. We had to -- unfortunately, they had to evacuate the community last night and our good friend, Mayor Mike Natomagan and everyone living up there, we're thinking of you today. At Cameco, we've been fortunate that our sites have remained safe during the wildfire season, though many of our employees, contractors and partners have indeed been impacted, and we're certainly always mindful of the challenges they face and continue to face. And I just want to say, to our workers who are helping in those communities, thank you for the work that you're doing, and we're thinking of everyone up north. And hopefully, we get a lot of rain pretty soon. So I just want to start with that, Orest, sorry to interrupt. And Grant, I'm going to turn it over to you on the Westinghouse question.

Yes. Thank you, Tim. Orest, you actually did a great job answering your own question. When you think about Westinghouse, there is no doubt that whether it's the core of the business that's responding to reactors being restarted, reactors going through subsequent license renewal and all the exciting business that is generated for Westinghouse because of that, then there's the energy systems piece and the Dukovany units, really the first indication of that strong prospect for Westinghouse's technology, either directly through the AP1000 or through the Korean offering, really playing a critical part in growing nuclear power, it's all very exciting. But when you think about our forward guidance, it's done on the basis of that conservative approach that Cameco always uses. And what I mean there is a lot of projects looking at new builds in energy systems have not yet hit FID. And that for us is a critical moment for starting to build it into the business plan. So whether it's the 6 reactors in Poland or the 2 in Bulgaria or Slovenia's evaluation or the 10 announced for the United States or the evaluation of gigawatt scale reactors in Canada, which could be up to as many as 14, depending on which assessment you look at, none of those have hit FID yet, and therefore, they're not in the forward plan. Once they're in the forward plan, we would start to, I would say, significantly have increases to that outlook. They're just not there yet. And even some of them, as they start to hit FID, would be outside that 5-year look. So there is a wall of business that's building for Westinghouse, but from a very conservative point of view, we don't include it until things are at final investment decision. And if we did, there would be a really silly upside growth rate that just, I think, would be irresponsible for us to do. We continue to be very happy. And in fact, maybe the final comment I would make on Westinghouse, the only part of the business that's underperforming the acquisition case is the part of the business that would have been doing decommissioning on reactors that are shutting down. So we are delighted that, that part of the business has effectively been all rolled up because nobody is even considering doing that anymore. So thank you for your question, Orest.

And just as a quick follow-up, I mean, the USD 170 million IP windfall this quarter, that looks to be repeatable. How should we think about that in terms of potential cadence on when we could see that come again over the next couple of years? Like, is this something we should be baking into our estimates in terms of upside additions on an annual basis now?

That particular mechanism applies to markets that the Koreans are leading the development in. So when the Koreans are pursuing new build opportunities, those new build opportunities bring with them Westinghouse's participation through these kind of upfront arrangements, through a scope of work that Westinghouse would be delivering alongside the Koreans, and then obviously, through the growth of the core of the business as a fuel fabrication and reactor contract for 80 years kicks in after the new build is done. The first Korean project is the Dukovany site. But remember what the Koreans actually captured was a 4-reactor plant in the Czech Republic, 2 at Dukovany, 2 at Temelin. So in fact, we are expecting more news just to come out of the Czechia new build project alone over the next couple of years and then watch any other market that the Koreans are continuing to develop because it would be a very similar structure.

The next question comes from Brian Lee with Goldman Sachs.

Kudos on the nice execution. Maybe a real quick question on the model to start. Noticed the quite significant upside and strong results on the EBITDA performance for the uranium segment. I think part of that was the low-cost inventory. Can you kind of walk us through the mechanics in the quarter of that drawdown and what maybe the trend line could look like for that part of the segment into the second half of the year?

Grant?

Yes, Brian, I'm going to ask Heidi to jump in there. But before Heidi jumps in, really, you need to think about that uranium segment performance as this enormous incumbent advantage that Cameco has. I will remind folks that we responded to a weak market condition that we saw in the past by leaving inventory in the ground, by going into supply discipline. And I would also remind folks, we're still in supply discipline in that we don't even have our Tier 1 assets running at full production. And the reason for that is really simple. It's that the demand on the uranium side hasn't showed up yet in order to justify that. So all of that means, as we capture more and more demand and we have the opportunities to really develop that Tier 1 production base, it's just going to continue to improve our cost structure, more produced material from lower cost sources flowing into our financials in the uranium segment. This is the very positive consequence of having as much standby capacity as we do, which was deliberate and strategic and responsive to the market. So just wanted to provide that strategic context, but Heidi, if you want to speak to the dynamics.

Sure. Thanks, Grant, and thanks for the question. I guess I would just point out, first of all, that our inventory will vary. So as much as our inventory is a little lower this quarter, it's just a matter of kind of the timing of when production falls and also when our supply of other purchase commitments fall. In terms of the cost overall, I guess I would point a little bit to our purchased pounds. So in our outlook, we're guiding to about 11 million or 12 million pounds to be purchased this year. And year-to-date, we've only purchased about 2 million. So a lot of purchasing yet to come. We are seeing the benefit in the first half of the low-cost production, as Grant pointed out. Some of that will balance out through the remainder of the year. And so if you look at our outlook of where our unit cost of sales is expected to land, that might be helpful if you're looking at your model.

No, that's super helpful. Appreciate that, Heidi. And then just second question, and I'll pass it on, is there's clearly a lot of activity in the new nuclear development space. You talked through a number of them geographically. And I think it's well appreciated, you guys don't want to sort of front-run and put it into your numbers without seeing dirt being moved and FID and so forth and so on. Can you give us a sense, though, of whether it's region by region or specific areas where there's been more advanced development, kind of what the gating factors are to some of this activity materializing into projects that you would consider putting into your official guidance? And I think in the past, you've talked a little bit around timing for some of the potential ones in Poland, Bulgaria. I think another one was talked about in Slovakia just recently, but maybe a little bit more color around kind of the cadence and what developments you're expecting here in terms of those getting to the finish line.

Yes, Brian, it's Tim. It's almost overwhelming to some extent, the number of different countries and companies and industries that are today talking about nuclear. And I think we're drawn in many different directions as we try to get to those countries and companies. I mean, just generally, and I'll let Grant speak about what Westinghouse is looking at because that's a different movie, but I mean the U.K., France, Hungary, Czech, China, India, Canada, big player, U.S., we were just down, Grant and I, were down 2 weeks ago in Pittsburgh with the President of the United States and the Secretary of Energy and talking about new nuclear. He signed 4 executive orders calling for a quadrupling of nuclear power in the United States, 400 units by 2050. He wants 10 AP1000s started by 2030, a bit of a monumental task that we're going to try and undertake. And then you can go Egypt, Turkey and the countries, the 3 you mentioned, I think of companies, Google, Amazon, Microsoft, Meta, AWS, it's a load, for sure. So lots of interest in nuclear, lots of projects moving forward and Westinghouse is right in the thick of it. Grant, I don't know if you want to add anything.

Yes. Brian, I think you were right in identifying that some markets just feel more traditional, and they seem to have a bit of an advantage. So for example, what's going on in Central and Eastern Europe, this is a part of the world that has actually always been very familiar with nuclear. It's a part of the world that never stopped building nuclear. It's just they were building Russian reactors and now are looking for an alternative to the Russian reactors. But that means that there's almost a bit of an advantage for those markets because you've got state-owned utilities with strong state support, and that's the classic model for building nuclear. So watch Poland. I think Bulgaria is really eager, too. They had the second announcement, but I think they're really eager to get to FID before Poland. So watch that space closely. And watch Slovenia. They just have that inherent advantage of that strong state orientation and strong state focus on supporting the grid. Other markets are really starting to evolve new models. In the United States, watch for things like multi-utility, multi-investor, multi- customer fleet models as opposed to the one utility that steps out and says, "We're going to do it. We're going to build gigawatt scale. We always do it in a 2-pack. So it's a pretty big undertaking. And we're going to do it on the back of our rate base," for example. So new models are being worked out in some of the new markets. That's taking, I would say, a little bit of time. It's not diminishing the enthusiasm in any way, but it's taking a little bit of time. And then ultimately, when you start to add up these numbers and you get to dozens of planned gigawatt scale reactors between what Westinghouse and the Koreans can do, one of the questions that often gets asked is, can we do it? And you didn't ask it, but if you had a third question, I'm pretty sure that that's where you were going to go. So I just want to preempt it a little bit just to say, yes, we can. The key to new build in the West and in the regions like Central and Eastern Europe is standardization and sequencing. And what we see over and over again is utilities looking at what is the right sequence, looking at a reactor that's already designed, already licensed, already been built, they can go and they can look at it, they can see it operating. And this commitment to standardization and sequencing will be the key to a successful launch of gigawatt scale new build, and everybody fortunately seems to be united on capturing those 2 key components.

The next question comes from Lawson Winder with Bank of America.

Congratulations to everybody starting new roles with today's announcement. If I could, I would like to ask about the commentary in the release on McArthur. So there was some commentary along the lines of some slow development in the first half of the year and potential risk to guidance. Could you maybe just elaborate on what's going on there and kind of the range of potential outcomes and bottlenecks through H2 that will ultimately determine your ability to hit that 18 million pounds guidance?

Yes. Lawson, Tim, mining not an easy venture. We've said that a million times and don't let anyone ever tell you that mining is easy because it's not. So we're going into some new areas in McArthur. We've mentioned that in our MD&A and some of our other disclosure. Whenever you go into a new area, there's potential new risks. And so you've seen and you know our ground freezing method. We have to make sure it's frozen tight before we get in there to start mining. So we're working on that. You heard me off the hop talk about availability of labor or at least indirectly. The fires this year have not been easy on us. And we've lost a little bit of electricity, got it back. We lost communications, got it back. And then unfortunately, some of the communities where our employees live like Pinehouse, when they're fighting fires, we send the employees home to help out at home. So availability of skilled labor is always a tricky part for us. And then we're just commissioning some new equipment. So I'm not making any excuses here. I'm just saying mining is hard. That's what we're doing. We have not changed our guidance on production for this year. Overall, things are going well, but there's just risk in mining. So I think that's what I can tell you, Lawson.

Okay. I mean thanks for flagging it, and just walking through that detail is helpful. Just as a follow-up, I'd like to ask about GLE. You provided some disclosure in today's release that ultimately, you continue to expect first production in 2030. You've reached Level 6 readiness at the test loop facility. What I wanted to actually ask about is GLE selection for Department of Energy funding. Could you just talk to that process and what the potential upside is and how you expect that funding to look? Like, could it be grant money? Or could it be some sort of repayment on CapEx? Any color there would be really, really helpful.

Yes. We haven't reached TRL Level 6 yet, but Grant, go ahead.

Yes. GLE is underway on TRL6 evaluation. And just a reminder to everybody why that's important is because it's a technology that we know works. It enriches uranium. But ultimately, what you need to prove is it works at that nuclear reliability level, meaning when you turn on the machines, they are doing what they're supposed to be doing at that sort of Six Sigma level of nuclear reliability. And that becomes the basis then for really getting into serious conversations about investing in the technology and serious conversations about contingent contracts, for example, for the outputs of a new nuclear technology. So very exciting. We continue to be really committed to finding an entry point into the enrichment space as Cameco. So all of that is going well. You asked about the DOE programs, and I can provide a bit of color, but I probably can't provide a lot of really strong direction on it. The DOE has not really made any decisions yet. I think the industry is getting a little bit frustrated that they haven't made those decisions. And then in terms of the mechanisms, there's a bit of industry pushback on what they might look like. And let me just give you one example. The DOE had proposed that maybe the best mechanism for them to support new Western fuel cycle technologies is to kind of stand in the breach as the buyer of last resort, meaning if industry wasn't yet prepared to support a new technology through a contingent contract, the DOE might be there to buy that material in the absence of industry demand. And on the surface, it sounds like a great idea, Lawson, but it's something that we're just not huge fans of at Cameco because we've seen in the past what…

The next question comes from Alexander Pearce with Bank of Montreal.

So my first question is just around inventories and obviously, you've drawn inventories down to just over GBP 7 million now. And you've highlighted, in the next quarter, I think you've got a maintenance shutdown at Cigar Lake, potential delays around McArthur and Inkai deliveries also towards the end of the year. So how comfortable are you with that level? Is that a new normal? Or should we assume more purchases in this quarter to try and kind of push that number up?

Thanks for the question, Alex. Grant?

Yes. You always need to think about our sourcing into our contract portfolio. It's something we do on a much longer-term basis than even just the calendar year. The advantage of our focus on -- we do not produce unless we build a home for it, means we actually have a lot of line of sight for a long period of time on what our commitments are and when and therefore, how we need to source it. So we always talk about sourcing from production. It's obviously our preferred method. We carry an inventory for when there's moments where there's a mismatch between delivery and production. Or if there's risk to production, we carry in inventory just for that. We also make purchases in the market at times when we feel uranium is cheap, and we buy forward if somebody is willing to fix the price. We act like a very greedy utility in those circumstances. And then we always reserve the right to bring those long-term purchases forward and take possession of them if we need them for sourcing in the more immediate term. We can buy in the spot market for immediate delivery. That's just yet another tool we can use. We have the ability to borrow material from those who have material on account with us if we needed to. And then obviously, we could always get into a conversation with the utility. And what I mean there, Alex, is that we run the company from a risk mitigation point of view so that we're never like a clumsy buyer in the market, but we will be a very strategic buyer in the market. And we've seen some supply come in, in the face of no demand, the spot prices come off. And quite frankly, if people want to sell material at $70 to with all of the tailwinds facing nuclear, with the reality that today's uranium price does not yet reflect the fact that uranium is the product for which there's no substitute. It does not reflect the fact that the risks to supply are way greater than the risks to demand. It doesn't reflect the fact that restarts are proving to be really, really tricky in our industry. It doesn't reflect the fact that greenfield is not going to happen on the time frames and budgets that people are proposing. So if people want to part with uranium today, we will be a very strategic and deliberate buyer. We do have pounds, we have to buy, but we'll always pull those other sources in a way that makes the most sense for us and just be very opportunistic and continue to, I would say, run the best trading book in the uranium space as we take advantage of those who are selling when we, quite frankly, think they shouldn't be.

Great. And then maybe if I can just build on Orest's question at the start. So in terms of that guidance range you provided for Westinghouse, the 6% to 10%, is it fair to say that the upper and lower bounds for that range is more to do with the timing of the existing pipeline that you see coming in. Obviously, there's some flex in terms of when that happens rather than a different number of reactors for the kind of upper and lower range.

Yes. And I wouldn't say there's a whole lot of flex on the lower part of that range. That lower part really reflects the core of the business, picking up the fabrication reactor services because of restarts, because of subsequent license renewals. The core actually has some potential upside to it as well, things like the conditions for bringing back the Springfields conversion service in the U.K. Well, that would actually sit in the core of the business. The energy systems piece, which captures the new builds, it's got a lot more upside to it if the reactors that are being evaluated hit FID. So for us, we look at it as a floor. The ceiling is just really subject to capturing some of these stated interest in building new reactors, turning them into revealed interest through final investment decisions. We just continue to be very, very excited with where Westinghouse is going and really are grateful every day that we're part of this business.

The next question comes from Andrew Wong with RBC Capital Markets.

So just going back to like the nuclear new build opportunity, obviously, a lot of significant opportunities here for both the industry and Westinghouse. So I guess 2 questions here. One is, does the nuclear industry have the capacity right now to meet that potential build pipeline, whether that's in labor or heavy equipment or forging? And then just also similar for Westinghouse, there's a lot of opportunities here potentially even, if you look across all the projects, 20-plus AP1000 builds or even going into the 30s, in fact, if you include everything, is there enough capacity for Westinghouse to meet that demand?

Yes, Andrew, earlier, I answered what I thought might have been Brian's question to say, does the industry have the capacity to do it? And I look back through the '60s and '70s at a time when we were building 20 reactors, 25 reactors a year. It can be done, and it can be done as long as there is a really strong commitment to standardization and sequencing. And if there is, the ability to develop a long lead item platform, the ability to prepare the labor, the ability to sequence the construction programs, it means that we can deliver on all of this promise. And I would just say, for those of you that are in Ontario, look no further than the refurbishments of the CANDU reactors. They are demonstrating, OPG and Bruce Power, what happens when you standardize and sequence and the achievement that can be made in the West. So we can do it. It really is just about getting started and getting started in a smart, standardized and sequenced way. And as I said to Brian, the great news about all of this talk of nuclear new build is everyone understands, standardizing to a common design and sequencing properly is the key. And as long as we stick to that, I don't know what the upside case is, but it's tremendous.

Okay. Great. And then maybe just turning to the uranium markets. Can you just provide some more insights into your contracting discussions today? Are we still seeing floors and ceilings at that $70 to $130 level? And then just on just the contracting activity in general, understandably, volumes are low in H1 because of the macro uncertainty. And that's calmed a bit, but I think macro uncertainty is probably the environment that we'll be in for quite a while here. So what do we need to see happen for that contracting activity to pick up?

Yes, Andrew, I'm amazed we're 49 minutes into our call, and this is the first question about the uranium market. So thank you for that. Guess what, I'm prepared to answer it. The uranium market, I said a little bit earlier, and I just want to reiterate it, that when you're looking at how things are setting up, some folks are inclined to say, "Well, the term contracting is pretty low year-to-date and even the spot market is pretty low year-to-date," and look at that as bad news. And I actually look at it through a very different lens. It just simply means that demand is being delayed, it's being deferred. It's accumulating into a future window where there are even greater risks to supply. And therefore, that means or suggests that pricing power is going up, not going down. When I look at the reasons for the uranium market to be a little bit slow, they still point to the geopolitical bifurcation or multi- furcation of the market. There's more attention being paid downstream right now than there is upstream. There remains more concern about where the critical services are coming from relative to uranium. And I think some in the uranium segment are actually harming themselves. I mean we do continue to see new entrants or restarts that are being hyper promoted. And of course, I'm not criticizing anybody, I understand why they do it. But if you're a fuel buyer there and you know that enrichment is really short. And every time you turn around, you're being told, "The U.S. is going to start producing massive amounts of uranium," or "These new projects are going to come on in the next 2 years," you're inclined to go, "Okay, maybe I shouldn't worry about uranium quite yet." I…

The next question comes from Mohamed Sidibe with National Bank Financial.

So my question mainly relates to the Inkai deliveries that are expected in the second half of the year. Could you maybe talk about some of your confidence level in receiving your portion of that production in the second half and maybe as it specifically relates to the transportation risk in the region?

Yes. Over the last number of years, we had been flagging that while the Trans-Caspian corridor was working, it really lacked predictability and certainty, and we just were never sure. But I would say our partner, Kazatomprom, has just become better and better at utilizing that channel. That's given us the confidence to suggest that our deliveries for the 2025 production as well as the remaining 2024 production will start to flow in the second half of the year. We obviously will update in Q3 if that's not the case. It goes back to our sourcing conversation. We have multiple ways to deal with making our commitments. And so when there are delays coming out of that part of the world, we'll just use alternative sources, and then we'll capture the full economic value of that material. But in general, the Trans-Caspian route is becoming a little more certain, a little more predictable, but nothing like producing from Cigar Lake and moving it out of Northern Saskatchewan, which is probably the highest-reliability uranium on the planet.

And then if I could maybe follow up on specifically the core business in Springfields and just as it relates to the entire geopolitical situation there, have you seen enough development within the European market that could potentially get you thinking about restarting Springfields or going towards that direction?

Certainly, a very constructive conversion space and certainly a lot of interest in additional Western conversion to come to the market. Generally, what we need to see is a closing of the bid-and-ask spread on new conversion capacity. And what I mean there is not necessarily the price. There are, I would say, a lot of utilities that are willing to pay today's conversion price, today's long-term conversion price, and maybe even a slight premium in order to lock in new capacity. But utilities are smart. They're saying, we're prepared to do this for 3 years. Well, we actually need a much longer contract than 3 years in order to do this. We've seen this game before. Utilities love to contract with new entrants, whether it's the uranium space or conversion. And they love to sort of entice them with what look like premium contracts for a very short duration because then once that capacity is in the market, it's going to bid the price down. And we just simply aren't going to fall for it. If we're bringing this capacity back, the capacity has to come back under a pricing and under a tenor that makes sense and captures full value. So the bid-ask is not so much on the price side, it's what is the long-term commitment to that supply source and therefore, the strongest underwriting condition for new supply. And then don't forget the longer Springfields stays down, the more value accrues directly to Port Hope. So we're in a pretty good position here in the conversion space.

The next question comes from Anita Soni with CIBC.

Firstly, congratulations to Grant and Heidi on their promotions and great to see you, Tim, continuing on in your role. Secondly, a lot of the questions have been asked and answered, great answers. The only nuance that I wanted to ask about was the wildfire situation. And is that having an impact? Is that contributing to that cautionary language that you had around the production at Cigar Lake and at McArthur River? Or is that just completely separate? I'm just trying to understand like how temporary or long term sort of that caution that you have is in terms of should we be thinking about it for 2026 as well as 2025?

Yes. Anita, the fires are not really the principal cause. It's those other factors I mentioned. We're breaking into new mining areas the ground freezing has to take. The labor issues, that's a bit related to fires, that they come and go because they're looking after their own places. We're commissioning new equipment. So those things are in play right now. The fires are peripheral, I'd say to that. We'll get through that. Like I said, we haven't changed our guidance. And certainly for next year, it has no effect on that. So we're just working through some of those issues right now this summer. And if there's any news, we'll bring it to you, but we're going to carry on as we have in the past. So hopefully, that helps.

The last question comes from Brian MacArthur with Raymond James.

I'll be quick because I know we're at the end. Mine goes back to Lawson's questions. Just on GLE, Grant and Tim, you've talked about how tough it is to do things. How confident would you be to get GLE in by 2030? And the second part of that is, is the thought process still you're going to treat some secondary material first? Or has that all changed as we go forward? Any color would be great.

Yes, Brian, glad you got in right at the end here. With respect to GLE, we continue to work on a path that is the fundamental agreement with the Department of Energy. By 2030, subject to obviously further discussions with the DOE around timing, we would be in a position to re-enrich the depleted UF6 tails that are a legacy liability, quite frankly, of the old gaseous diffusion plants, but once re-enriched are an important source of U.S. uranium, both uranium and conversion. That would be our intention, and that would be our focus right now because that is the primary obligation of GLE. GLE could do straight down the fairway LEU to replace the Russians. GLE could do higher assay enrichments in order to provide fuel for some of the advanced reactor designs that require a high level of enrichment. But in those other 2 cases, we would need to see the demand for that service. We would need to see the appropriate contracting, the appropriate pricing in order to underwrite the investments required to do those 2 additional services, whereas the DOE tails arrangement is an agreement we have with the DOE to produce 2 products we know really, really well, uranium and conversion, and that remains our focus, that's the path we continue to be on, subject to obviously verifying TRL6 and then subject to putting in a strong investment case because the uranium and UF6 market is there for that product.

Right. So the capacity at first would be just for the tails and then you'd add additional capacity like it's scalable to do the other stuff if you wanted to.

Yes. I mean the only thing that could change that, Brian, and it kind of goes back to the question that was asked earlier about what the DOE is up to, if the DOE realizes that it really wants LEU instead of re-enriched tails, then the DOE has the ability to support that through some funding decisions. We would obviously encourage that, and we would respond accordingly. But at the moment, the primary focus is the tails re-enrichment.

This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Tim Gitzel for any closing remarks.

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