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Century Aluminum Company (CENX)

Q2 2009 Earnings Call· Fri, Jul 24, 2009

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Unidentified Company Representative

Management

(Call starts abruptly) whether as a results of new information, actual events, future events or otherwise. In addition, throughout this conference call we will use non-GAAP financial measures, reconciliations to the most comfortable GAAP financial measures can be in found in the appendix for today's presentation which is available on our website. I'd like to introduce Logan Kruger, Century's President and Chief Executive Officer.

Logan W. Kruger

Management

Thank you, Shelly. Good afternoon everyone and thank you for joining us. We continue to focus our efforts on preserving the company's value and welcome the opportunity to report on our progress. So let's get started and lets move on to slide number four. I'll speak about the marketing some detail in a moment and Wayne will also make a few comments. Suffice to say that we do believe the situation has stabilized over the last few months in most regions of the world and in certain end used sector. I need to emphasis that apart from China we cannot point to any data that show a dependable reduction in growth. Consistent with what you have heard from others in our sector and in the global industrial world generally, we have witnessed a decelerating rate of decline and in certain areas what appears to be a bottom. That said, we do not believe the industry supply response had been sufficient to match the current rate of global demand. And this situation has been exacerbated recently by restart in China and even some delayed curtailments in Europe. I will provide more detail in a moment. Against this backdrop Century has had a healthy and successful quarter. Most importantly, and not to be taken the granted especially in times of stress in general, all our plants performed ultimately. Safety metrics were excellent, and the operations ran efficiently. These results as you would expect all a real credit to our management teams and to the employees at our plant. These are more impressive and our teams that holds low and Grundartangi in Iceland had reduced the ongoing cost of the operation. They have demonstrated their performance consistently over the last few months and proven that they can run the plant safely and reliably…

Wayne R. Hale

Management

Lets move on to the next slide, thanks Logan. As we noted we had good quarter from the operations perspective and made excellent progress on several fronts. Looking first at Ravenswood there really has been no change. The small group of employee downside continues to keep the plant safe, secure and in good order. Based on a situation at the plan we have agreed with United Steel Workers to extend existing labor contract which we had already extended 90 days to August 31, 2010. As you no doubt saw in our press release the new power contract for Hawesville is complete. Given the importance of the agreement and its long term nature we think it is important for investors to understand the details of the key areas of supply in term near risk protection and operational flexibility. First the power supply contract itself is with Big Rivers Electric Corporation. The power is generated at the same facilities that have been producing historically, these plants had until the completion of this new arrangement been operated by E.ON U.S. under long term leases with Big Rivers. Our new contract with Big Rivers expires in 2023, the rate we pay is based on their cost of production. The contract requires Big Rivers to sell on our behalf any power that we do not take if we are not operating Hawesville at full capacity. We are generally entitled to any profit on those power sales but are on the hook to Big Rivers if the power cannot be sold and/or if the selling price of the power is below cost. Secondly, if we have also entered -- we have also entered in to an agreement with E.ON which has two parts under the first E.ON has committed approximately $80 million which they will contribute…

Michael A. Bless

Management

Thanks Wayne very much. We are on slide 11 now. And as usual if you could have in front of you the earnings information, the financial information that's attached of the earnings release that will be helpful because I'll be referring to it as I go through my comments. So starting at top with the income statement with net sales first let's talk about the components of the change in net sales, and in that context talk about the market for a second Logan gave some of these data. If you look at the cash LME price Q1 to Q2 all of my comments is usual and as you can see on the slide it will be a sequential comparison of Q2 to Q1. The actual cash LME price improves on average by 9% Q2 over Q1. With a one month lag it was about flat and as you know, most of our sales and costs are priced on a one month lag. We do have one sales contract in the U.S. that's priced on a one quarter lag and obviously as we take in capacity out of the U.S. that contract has become a larger percentage of our sales. To give you a sense it represented about 15% of our sales, our unit sales volume in the first -- in the second quarter. If you look at the LME price on a one quarter lag obviously you're looking at Q1 versus Q4 of '08. The average price was down 26%. So when you put that all together if you look at our unit average realized prices in the U.S. it was down about 3% and that's the reason of that one contract. If you look at Iceland, unit average realized prices are flat as you would expect. Turning to…

Logan W. Kruger

Management

Thanks Mike. We are on slide 14. We have covered most of the points already today. However, I think it's important to emphasis that while we note the improving industry trends about which we have spoken, we remain unconvinced that the thought forward will simply be up and to the right. So we are operating this company and contemplating various strategic actions in that context. The cost of getting these critical assumptions wrong is just to make our shareholders to bear. We've made real progress in improving the company's liquidity profile through cash raising activities earlier this year and now by a real reduction in our operating costs. We remained hard at work, on our restructuring efforts and the further low the cost base and taking risk out of the company. We hope we'll have some access to communicate with you in the near term on this area. Lastly and most importantly we are absolutely committed to developing the Helguvik project, and restarting major construction activity as soon as it is practical. On the next slide, for your interest you can find the recent picture of the construction site at Helguvik smelter. With that I'll turn your questions, operator we are ready to take questions.

Operator

Operator

(Operator Instructions). Our first question comes from the line of Kuni Chen with Bank of America Securities. Please go ahead.

Kuni Chen - Bank of America Securities

Analyst

Hi good afternoon everybody.

Logan Kruger

Analyst

Hi, Kuni.

Kuni Chen - Bank of America Securities

Analyst

A couple of questions here. I guess just first of all on the cost side, obviously probably cost reductions are not sustainable and capital spending and maintenance and what not need to ramp up over back to normal levels overtime. But can you talk about sort of what cost improvements you have been able to get that you think are sustainable? Others in the industry are changing spec from on carbon anodes and things like that. Are those the type of projects that you have been looking into?

Logan Kruger

Analyst

I think Kuni thanks, its Logan for the question I'll ask Wayne to dig into some more detail for you. But as we've said. We believe that the position of our cost performance is sustainable from the next 12 to 18 months. Obviously, after that you have to review your position. Wayne you want to add color to this.

Wayne Hale

Analyst

No, no. I'd just used an example that or say Hawesville or say the cost reductions that has been made there maintenance and supplies in some cases may not be sustainable only make the 14% of the overall cost reductions. So the rest of those are in line with material cost reductions and the hard work that the guys are doing at the plant.

Logan Kruger

Analyst

And certainly we've always looked at the specification of the supplies your using an example on carbon, that's an area that we continue to work on. Obviously we have to be somewhat careful about the end-product that we deliver to our key customers.

Wayne Hale

Analyst

Just on a point and overall, we've reduced their costs as well and their cost profile of reduction they have made some changes and reductions in the maintenance area but not significant there have been, major reductions in carbon and indirect cost and of course labors as well.

Kuni Chen - Bank of America Securities

Analyst

Okay. And then on Helguvik, there is some language in the release that says that you may contemplate and restart a major construction work there. Can you just give us maybe some sense as to what sort of financial structures you're looking at to get back all in again and perhaps some deals on how the other sub structure may look down the road?

Logan Kruger

Analyst

I think Kuni, we're very pleased about a number of things on Helguvik. First of all, we can tell you that today it was confirmed by the European Surveillance Authority that the investment agreement is now been agreed to buy them and both ourselves and the government of Iceland will be signing that. And that I think is significantly reduces any risk in any new project anywhere in the world. The second thought Wayne and the team on the project side have reconfigured the project into four phases of 90,000 tons each. And we've taken advantage in our review of obviously, the reinvestment costs that are required now. And we've seen the benefit of having those lower costs as well as obviously the lack of new projects been developed in the rest of the world. So on the potential structuring of financing those and I think Mike can add some comments on that if he'd like.

Michael Bless

Analyst

Sure, Logan. Kuni it's premature yet although we're working diligently on it and to say the least to talk specifics on things like ownership structure that you're asking about. But I can reiterate what we've said previously is that the financing package will have a couple of key elements to it. One is that the debt component of it and won't have recourse to the rest of the company's assets and that's the path we're pursuing. And two the additional cash, any additional cash that Century would have to contribute certainly to the first phase that we're going to addressed would be minimal. And that kind of the context of the package that we're pursuing, as I said maybe as early as the next earnings call we'll be able to have some more detail for you on both that and the capital cost.

Kuni Chen - Bank of America Securities

Analyst

Okay, great. And then I am sorry....

Logan Kruger

Analyst

Well last comment Kuni, as you would you expect we're working on it very carefully and we're making sure we've got a lot of -- Europe and we will let you know as we these things develop. Sorry, your next question.

Kuni Chen - Bank of America Securities

Analyst

Yeah just one last, and I'll turn it over. No doubt you mentioned sort of a need to take more risk out of the company going forward, then I'll turn it over. You mentioned sort of a need to take more risk out of the company going forward given your sort of skeptical views on the business climate of ... can you dig into that a little bit more. Is that just more capacity curtailments or there are other ways that u can look at creatively taking risk out of the company?

Logan Kruger

Analyst

I think. Kuni, first of all I think our views for the market is not skeptical. I think we're fairly balanced our views; we've noticed some improvements. But we've also noticed that demand is full subdued. And it is the fairly large inventory hold in hanging over the market. We are not unhappy to see the higher prices. But you're going to look at where the risk may remain and we believe that it still remains on the downside. In terms of taking risk out of the company, we're looking at always of taking risk out of the company. And maybe Mike want to say -- add any additional to that.

Michael Bless

Analyst

I mean, till we get the obvious one, as we've said; we are still looking at whether taking addition capacity that makes economic sense given the balance of risks and upside and such and so that we come to know conclusions there; the fact that we haven't taken additional capacity since the finest Hawesville that we curtailed in March, shouldn't mean to anybody that that's the final decision. And then we're continuing to look at all the other assets. We are on a joint ventures in which we participate as we've said we're talking to our partners in both of those. So, I would say; Logan's comment is right on. We're looking at that panickly to things that we can do. But you're right; capacity curtailment additional is right at the forefront.

Kuni Chen - Bank of America Securities

Analyst

All right. Thanks guys.

Michael Bless

Analyst

Thanks.

Kuni Chen - Bank of America Securities

Analyst

Thanks for the good question.

Operator

Operator

Thanks. Next we will go to the line of Brett Levy with Jefferies & Company. Please go ahead. Brett Levy - Jefferies & Company: Hey guys.

Logan Kruger

Analyst

Go ahead. Brett Levy - Jefferies & Company: Can you guys talk a little bit about sustainability; what can you shutdown in 2010, what can shut down in 2011, and where is your liquidity. Can you talk about like the worst case scenario liquidity option?

Michael Bless

Analyst

I'm not sure Brett, is your questions are pretty drive line. I mean, start -- let's try to first do it. It's Mike. The first is; you asked where additional capacity we can take out. And we'll just review what we said before in 2010 and 2011. So, as we said about 60% of Hawesville right now is required basically three of the side lines to supply an important customer that we have there, which contract expires at the end of the first quarter in 2011. And so I think that's our major answer there as we've said at the other plants in the U.S; we don't have the unilateral ability and economically there to -- we've talked about this before to curtail, it's got to be is that whatever come a joint decision by ourselves and our partner there. So, that I think is the answer on that one. Worst case; I'm not even sure how to address that question. But maybe we didn't ask it again to tell us what you're really looking for. Brett Levy - Jefferies & Company: I guess my though is; in 2011, aluminum is still $0.75. Is this company still viable? And my taught is that you going to actually close everything in this one; Iceland. And still on a cash flow positive.

Michael Bless

Analyst

Yeah. As I think picking that number, your numbers. I'm not get what is 1630. It does portray a continue cash requirement for the U.S. operations. But as you know, from the numbers that you run yourself; obviously I think is self sustainable. It's -- you have to look at that as you go forward. I think we've made significant improvements. So again you have to look in each environment takes what you think is the future. But in near-term and pressed a little bit longer-term and decide how you run. We're pleased with the progress we make. But your option is not out of our range of thinking, that depends on where you want to proceed the LME price. Brett Levy - Jefferies & Company: And then there is some financial adjustments in 1Q that are positive, and 2Q that are negative. Can you take me through like your adjustments? What's recurring and what's non-recurring? And just get me to a normalized number?

Michael Bless

Analyst

I'm not sure as to whether other than need is the inventory items, plus there really wasn't anything. So it's just, it's LCM, you're familiar with the inventor accounting of course. And while you have the -- I'm having out LCM reserve and when you have release an LCM reserve; that's all non-cash stuff of course. Those are the only items that we referenced. Brett Levy - Jefferies & Company: Got it. If you guys at some point is -- LME, it's like a $0.79 right now. Did you guys at some point wanted to buyback your bonds; could you?

Michael Bless

Analyst

Yes, we wanted to buyback our bonds; could we. There's nothing that precludes us contractually if that's what your asking from buying back our bonds. Brett Levy - Jefferies & Company: Right. It's not something you remotely think about that right now?

Michael Bless

Analyst

Right now -- I would never say remotely, we think about everything. But we believe, right now given the balance of risks and opportunities and liquidity and right now it's not something that we're doing. Brett Levy - Jefferies & Company: Okay. Thanks, guys

Michael Bless

Analyst

Thanks.

Operator

Operator

And next we will go to line of Justine Fisher with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Justine Fisher - Goldman Sachs

Analyst

Hey guys.

Logan Kruger

Analyst

Hi, Justine.

Justine Fisher - Goldman Sachs

Analyst

My first question; I know you've addressed these issues before and certainly and probably firms. But I just wanted to double check whether you're thinking is change on that. And the first is the convert part in 2011. By the way, I'm running my numbers in the kind of dependent on aluminum prices. You guys may have enough cash at the end of 2010 to potentially meet that put with cash. But what type of refinancing options might you look at? Would you look at high yield that or to ... in the covert market or you're now thinking that for ahead yet?

Wayne Hale

Analyst

We're thinking about it hard. And because two years ago, seen over last couple of years reasonably quickly. And the answer not is not to give you the easy answer, because you said Justine, is any of the above. I mean, I think it's just looking at these three options and the financing markets are open right now unclear; what they are going to loot like in time in the future, but that convertible markets are open, the common stock markets are open. We have the ability and to our adventure to raise additional debt. That could be done in the current market. As you know all of our assets are unencumbered. And other than the first win that the revolver banks have on the U.S. receivables and inventory. So we've got a lot of options that which we're looking. And I think part of your question we're looking at a right now. As to whether we would have actual liquidity on the balance sheet to do it again as Logan just said; its entirely depended on ones view of the metal price. But, in some reasonable scenarios what you said could be true.

Justine Fisher - Goldman Sachs

Analyst

Okay. And then as far as the Grundartangi plant was concerned, I know you guys have said previously that issuing no debt potential encumbered by that asset is kind of a last resort (ph). Is that still the case?

Wayne Hale

Analyst

Yeah. I mean, I think it's clearly there. And we think that -- and our advisors believe that something reasonably attractive, relatively attractive when all of these qualifiers in these market. 50 done. Last resorts has the superlative. But it is something that we would probably leave until after we take there a bunch of other options.

Justine Fisher - Goldman Sachs

Analyst

Okay. And than the last question; I'm going to throw this out, you may not willing to answer. But I know that aluminum prices are clearly the big movers, but in the second quarter the operating loss was down in the single digit I guess. So, borrowing changes in aluminum prices, are there any other cost items that could drive your operating loss lower than that or current bend down, that has just voted the U.S. operations and ... from the operations. It's really going to be the aluminum prices that would drive would drive operating profit up or down.

Wayne Hale

Analyst

I've done ... Wayne to comment as well as Logan, Justin. I think the answer is we've driven the cost benefit we can through and we continue to look at them. But you're obviously that is a less available option. But it doesn't mean we're not looking at that. And I think we will continue to look at them. I think it is also ... and Mike ...

Michael Bless

Analyst

Yeah, I think Justine, just if I could just reorient your question and maybe Wayne could answer it. I would prefer to look at rather than the operating loss, the cash flow because for example; the operating loss was made $27 million less this quarter by the release of that LCM reserve. And that's a non-cash item. The cash impact of it close to this based on cash, which actually paid for that inventory what actually gets forward for finished products, but -- so I would just maybe reorient you little bit to the actual cash flow. And Wayne, you want to ...

Wayne Hale

Analyst

Yeah, I think the important point here is that all the teams have plans continue to look at cost reductions in some of the work, it's being done now, is trying to finish, which we won't see the true results from other source. So again, it's just impressive to see the ideal generation being done.

Justine Fisher - Goldman Sachs

Analyst

Thanks so much. I appreciate it.

Michael Bless

Analyst

Thanks, Justine.

Wayne Hale

Analyst

Thanks, Justine.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from the line of Tim Hayes with Davenport & Company. Please go ahead. Timothy Hayes - Davenport & Company: Hey good afternoon, everyone.

Logan Kruger

Analyst

Hi, Tim.

Wayne Hale

Analyst

Hi, Tim. Timothy Hayes - Davenport & Company: I just have one question, would you said that 13% of your sales on a one quarter like the alumni price, was that 15% adjusted to U.S. production?

Wayne Hale

Analyst

Yes, 15% of the U.S. productions this passed quarter. And you know that amount that percentage will change. The numerator is the same, but the denominator will change based on what our shipments are during that each individual quarter obviously. But, yeah, this past quarter 15% of our U.S. shipments was at one contract that prices on a quarter lag Timothy Hayes - Davenport & Company: Very good. That's all I have. Thanks.

Wayne Hale

Analyst

Thanks, Tim.

Logan Kruger

Analyst

Thanks, Tim.

Operator

Operator

Next question comes from the line of John ... Please go ahead.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Yeah. Hi. Just two quick questions. One is; can you give us the tonne shipped in the quarter. And the second question is, in terms of the inventory adjustment. Was there an inventory -- I mean, I guess you have a lower cost of goods because you released this evaluation allowance was when was that allowance taken in the first place? Was that in the prior quarter?

Logan Kruger

Analyst

Yeah it was in two quarters ago. Fourth quarter last year

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay.

Logan Kruger

Analyst

And you're right. That's how it -- that's what it obviously resulted in the lower cost to sales. And answer to your first question, I'll give you U.S. and Iceland, and we can add them up or you can add them up. It's at the end of the earnings release, but the tonne shipped during the quarter in the U.S was 76,817; and in Iceland, 68,876.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Thank you.

Logan Kruger

Analyst

Sure. Thank you.

Wayne Hale

Analyst

Thanks.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from the line of John Mazo with John Mazo ... question. Thank you.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · John Mazo ... question. Thank you.

Thank you. In terms of market outlook you have which is realistic and cautious, what are the better ways to mitigate risks as you continue to operate the company. Would you go back to hedging, what's the strategy of the past issue more equity or try to sell assets stakes to mitigate risk in the current climate.

Logan Kruger

Analyst · John Mazo ... question. Thank you.

I think John you've covered the field. I don't think there is anything that we particularly will on in on. We look at the pricing are like it was realistic and cautious. I think we're pleased that the price has moved, but realistic about it in terms of how we deal with our cash flow liquidity requirements. Mike pointed out our cash position is about $230 million. So it does give us some runway upfront; and as my colleagues will agree with me. But the runway look from a 18 months plus. So we've got some time on our hands and we continue as Wayne has pointed to work on the cost side and our throughput side and our throughput side and other strategic options; I don't want to be too general, but I think that's the best way of answering your question.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · John Mazo ... question. Thank you.

Thank you.

Logan Kruger

Analyst · John Mazo ... question. Thank you.

Thanks, John.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from the line of Mark Liinamaa with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Mark Liinamaa - Morgan Stanley

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

In your comments, you referred to some of the short-term financing deals that are linked to some of the LME inventories. Can you comment on the duration of those things and how you think that may play out over the next, I don't know, six months or so?

Logan Kruger

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Mark, it's Logan. It's unclear how much is tied up in these basic. But we do have really up-to-date information whether it's been somewhat difficult for people to liberate out of the warehouses metal on a short duration basis. So we hear that some people are tied up for a year taking as launch in the Grundartangi ... less carry in that so. We haven't got access to a whereof financing basis. But we've realized that if you look at the Midwest premium, and if you have a look across the ocean to the Japanese premiums as well, I think you've seen both go out somewhat in this period of time

Mark Liinamaa - Morgan Stanley

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Would you have any sense of how much is actually unfettered with financing?

Logan Kruger

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

No, we don't know. Mark, I'd like to give you a number or that use but that I don't know. But the evidence is that it's been difficult to get metal out of the warehouses at a short notice. And part of what's exacerbated in the problem are may be I'll just add the see, is obviously everyone run down their own stocks. And so they one of act it metal at a shorter-term. So that's also driving the present situation

Mark Liinamaa - Morgan Stanley

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Sure.

Logan Kruger

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

I don't know how much. But as you saw in our remarks, Mark, we believe there will ...hang for how long it's difficult to say. But that's how the hang will be there for some period

Mark Liinamaa - Morgan Stanley

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Okay. Thanks for that. And just quickly, you talked about China restarts has been a problem, how are you thinking about China? Are they ultimately a long-term exporter neutral? And can you comment on what has to happen to get the rest of the world to get it in the balance?

Logan Kruger

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

I think just if we split China into two periods, I think short and medium-term, I think China's ability to generate and that's makes on demand is more likely. They're producing at around 11.5, 12 million tons. I think at this time is the estimate and has capacity up to somewhere between 17 and 18 million tons. So, you need growth in China should by nature of the business, but again cost will also determine that power of the number of other things which we saw just a year ago. So you've got to think that short-term market, China is a bit of a .... Then you get into the rest of the world; then you'll obviously see that build up of inventories in the LME warehouse. I don't know what the number is, but I suspect people talking around maybe a million tons plus of excess to demand supply at this point of time. I don't know. Shelly, do you have any comments on it?

Shelly Lair

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

You saying outside of China

Logan Kruger

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Outside of China

Shelly Lair

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Yeah, 1 to even 2 million tons.

Mark Liinamaa - Morgan Stanley

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Yeah.

Logan Kruger

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Its difficult to guess, because there are indications of some demand pick up in certain areas, Mark.

Mark Liinamaa - Morgan Stanley

Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Great. Thanks for that and good luck.

Operator

Operator

Next question comes from the line of Tony Rizzuto with Dahlman Rose. Please go ahead Anthony Rizzuto - Dahlman Rose & Co.: Thank you. Good after noon every one.

Logan Kruger

Analyst

Hey Tony. Anthony Rizzuto - Dahlman Rose & Co.: I had a question about Hawesville. Is there anything in or stipulation in the contract you have or new discussion that you preclude you guys from bringing in a JV partner?

Logan Kruger

Analyst

Tony, like anything else, I don't we restricted. And it's one of the thing that you have to think about as you go forward. And we know the projects good, it's well established, it's there, we know their working environment and the capital hurdle is reduced obviously as you would expect. But there is no restriction. Anthony Rizzuto - Dahlman Rose & Co.: All right. Thank you very much Logan.

Logan Kruger

Analyst

Thanks, Tony.

Operator

Operator

Next question comes from the line of Prakash Mishra with Morgan Stanley (ph). Please go ahead

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Hi. Thanks for taking my questions. First on the sensitivity to LME track on the cost side; I just wanted to confirm the only thing that still linked to aluminum price, is power and alumina in Iceland and alumina in Mt. Holly. And that's the new contract that Hawesville won't have any linkage to aluminum price, is that right?

Logan Kruger

Analyst

You're incorrect in Iceland. it's just toll. It's a tolling facility, so there is a natural offset or hedge against it. But it's not part of the -- obviously Mt. Holly is alumina comments on the ...

Wayne Hale

Analyst

No, you absolutely correct. As Logan said, the implicit alumina cost in toll free (ph) and Iceland, ... alumina in Mt. Holly and as you correctly said; I think it was a question; there is no linkage in the new power contract that Hawesville to the metal price. It's a cost based contract, so we pay the cost of the power producers. So there is obviously linkage to their cost of coal and the cost of productions and material and all the other things, but no LME linkage.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Got it. And than second on the premium; is Midwest premium still the relevant number for your U.S. operations or

Wayne Hale

Analyst

Yes

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. So you're not sending a big part of your material directly to LME, in which case it might not get any premium.

Logan Kruger

Analyst

The premium is relevant part for our business.

Wayne Hale

Analyst

We're not sending any material for the warehouses.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. Thank you very much.

Wayne Hale

Analyst

Thank you.

Logan Kruger

Analyst

Thanks for the question.

Operator

Operator

Next question comes from the line of ... Ghosh with ... Group. Please go ahead.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · ... Group. Please go ahead.

Hi. Mostly ... actually asked part of my question on the financing things, but just if I can ask you one more question on that. At this let's say $5, $5.5 Midwest premium. I mean, just the math would suggest that that is enough to incentivize someone to break this Contango deal, which is call it 50, 60 bucks per tons minus the cost of financing that and the cost of storing in the warehouse.

Logan Kruger

Analyst · ... Group. Please go ahead.

Yup.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · ... Group. Please go ahead.

So, I mean, obviously, subject to the condition that the metal is not restricted, so the financing term is not fixed. So are you actually seeing any evidence of that, which is these high premiums incentivizing metal coming of these financing deals, and becoming freely available again. So, in fact kind of a natural flattening of the Contango (ph)

Logan Kruger

Analyst · ... Group. Please go ahead.

Not seen that -- we don't play in that market as Mike has pointed out; we don't put metal into the warehouse. We just don't notice the dynamics around the premium. But to answer your question; we are not close enough or have not seen that at this point in time.

Michael Bless

Analyst · ... Group. Please go ahead.

We're hearing the same rumors, speculation that you probably are. There is some speculation out there that yes, these fiscal (ph) premiums at the point where I might say; they break financing deal. But as Logan said; we're just not -- the answer is no, we don't have any evidence of it.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · ... Group. Please go ahead.

Okay. Thank you

Logan Kruger

Analyst · ... Group. Please go ahead.

Thank you for the question. Hi, Operator, any more questions.

Operator

Operator

(Operator Instructions). We have a question from the line David Rosenberg with Oaktree Capital Management. Please go ahead.

David Rosenberg - Oaktree Capital Management

Analyst

Hi guys, it's David.

Logan Kruger

Analyst

Hi, David.

David Rosenberg - Oaktree Capital Management

Analyst

I guess the question I have for you guys is somewhat related to questions that was just asked is; historically you've always said the natural hedge is about 23% and now that we've had some curtailments in the Hawesville contract is no longer tied to aluminum prices. Can you refresh that percentage for us?

Logan Kruger

Analyst

We all look at ... David so

Shelly Lair

Analyst

Yeah, I don't think it really have moved our backlog. you've lost Ravenswood would had a percentage, but then Hawesville, which doesn't have a percentage linkage ... percentage. So, I think that you're probably around the same level

Logan Kruger

Analyst

There was no linkage to Hawesville, it has not changed. There was no -- you may be thinking that there was a sort of derivative or second stage linkage at Ravenswood power contact to the LME. But as Hawesville, the power deal which strict before; now it's cost base.

David Rosenberg - Oaktree Capital Management

Analyst

So we still think about it about 23% naturally hedged at about ...

Logan Kruger

Analyst

Yeah, ... Shelly is not ...

Shelly Lair

Analyst

You are right.

David Rosenberg - Oaktree Capital Management

Analyst

Okay. That's all I have. Thanks guys.

Logan Kruger

Analyst

Thanks, David. Good question though. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

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Logan Kruger

Analyst

Thank you very much everyone for taking the time to look into us today. We certainly are pleased with the operating performance and cash situation and looking at our liquidity. We continued to work very hard at improving the situation on all levels from the company and look forward to talking with you again soon. Thank you.

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