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Conduent Incorporated (CNDT)

Q2 2025 Earnings Call· Wed, Aug 6, 2025

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Operator

Operator

Greetings. Welcome to Conduent's Second Quarter 2025 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Please note, this conference is being recorded. I will now turn the conference over to David Chen, VP of Investor Relations. Thank you. You may begin.

David Chen

Analyst

Thank you, operator, and thanks, everyone, for joining us today to discuss Conduent's second quarter 2025 earnings. I am joined today by Cliff Skelton, our President and CEO; and Giles Goodburn, our CFO. This call is being webcast, and a copy of the slides used during this call as well as the press release were filed with the SEC this morning on Form 8-K. This information as well as the detailed financial metrics package are available on the Investor Relations section of the Conduent website. During this call, we may make statements that are forward-looking. These forward-looking statements reflect management's current beliefs, assumptions and expectations and are subject to a number of factors that may cause actual results to differ materially from these statements. Information concerning these factors is included in Conduent's annual report on Form 10-K filed with the SEC. We do not intend to update these forward-looking statements as a result of new information or future events or developments, except as required by law. The information presented today includes non-GAAP financial measures, because these measures are not calculated in accordance with U.S. GAAP and they should be viewed in addition to and not as a substitute for the company's reported results. For more information regarding definitions of our non-GAAP measures and how we use them, as well as the limitations to their usefulness for comparative purposes, please see our press release. And now I would like to turn the call over to Cliff.

Clifford A. Skelton

Analyst

Thank you, David, and thank you, everyone, for joining Conduent's Q2 2025 earnings call. As always, I'll preamble the quarter, I'll turn it over to Giles for the detailed numbers, and I'll close with some comments about the market, changing landscape in public and commercial sectors and some strategic thinking regarding our optimistic view of the rest of the year and into 2026. . Q2 was, by and large, right down the middle of the fairway for us. Revenue for the quarter was slightly up sequentially at $754 million, in line with our expectations with another solid quarter of adjusted EBITDA at $37 million and 4.9% of adjusted EBITDA margin, exceeding expectations up year-on-year and flat sequentially in a quarter usually representing the low point of the year. Before Giles gets into the detailed financials, let me just confirm that our portfolio rationalization efforts remain on track. Without getting too explicit, I can say that work is definitely underway. We feel good about our sales performance, especially in the public sector with an overall ACV of $150 million, up year-over-year and quarter-over-quarter. Q3 will be an important quarter for us in sales, and we're expecting improved performance from our Commercial segment as some deals move to the right from Q2. In the quarter, we signed 8 new logos, expanded relationships with 22 existing clients, and renewed several contracts, including the Direct Express contract supporting the federal government as a sub to a leading financial institution. The other good news here is that we're seeing increased activity and sales opportunity in our transportation businesses, both tolling and transit. And our pipeline is strong in government as well. We continue to roll out AI initiatives, encompassing the gamut ranging from the obvious such as telecom enhancements and language smoothing to fraud reduction…

Giles Goodburn

Analyst

Thanks, Cliff. As we've done in the past, we're reporting both GAAP and non-GAAP numbers. The reconciliations are in our filings and in the appendix of the presentation. Let's discuss the key sales metrics on Slides 5 and 6. We signed $150 million of new business ACV in the quarter, up 6% versus the prior year and 38% sequentially. First half 2025 new business ACV is up 9% versus the first half of 2024, and we're positioned for strong year-over-year ACV growth in the second half of 2025. All three business segments demonstrated sequential new business ACV growth this quarter, with each business segment closing a deal of at least $10 million ACV in the quarter. New business TCV was up 21% versus the prior year at $331 million, and distributed relatively equally across the segments. Renewals in the quarter were solid and included the Direct Express program Cliff mentioned earlier. The net ARR activity metric our combined measure of wins, losses, pricing effects and other contractual changes was positive at $63 million. Our qualified ACV pipeline remains strong at $3.3 billion, which is up 5% year-over-year and 6% since the beginning of 2025, which positions us well to achieve the second half year-over-year ACV growth and will drive revenue growth across all segments in 2026. Let's turn to Slide 7 and review our Q2 2025 P&L metrics. Adjusted revenue for Q2 2025 was $754 million compared to $774 million in Q2 2024, down 2.6% year-over-year. While Transportation achieved revenue growth this quarter, the decline was driven by our Commercial and Government segments, which I'll discuss in more detail in a moment. Adjusted EBITDA for the quarter was $37 million as compared to $24 million in Q2 2024. And our adjusted EBITDA margin of 4.9% is up 180 basis points…

Clifford A. Skelton

Analyst

Thank you, Giles. Before we open it up for analyst questions, I'd like to share some thoughts on our business strategy and our optimistic view for the future. Look in our simplest sense, we said and continue to say that we'll tell you what we're going to do and then we'll do it. Q2 financials are yet another example of upholding our execution promise. We'll continue to do just that. We previously said we pursue an optimized portfolio we have and are. We'd improve culture, operations and technology. We've done so, evidenced by awards by Newsweek as well as other culture and industry analyst awards, and dramatically improved retention as well as technology uptime. We'd pay down debt. We have and will continue to do so. We'd use available capital in a balanced way. We have and continue to also buy back shares. We'd improved margins and cash flow as we move out of the 2024 trough. We have done so and we'll continue to do more in 2026 as we hit those 2025 exit rates we described. We'd upgrade our talent with folks that have been there, done that. We have, and we recently bolstered talent in commercial, administration and finance. We'd take cost out of the center. We have and will continue to do even more of that. We said we'd leverage new government expectations. We've done that especially in our Transportation businesses, both tolling and transit and in the government fraud categories where we expect to see some more enhancement. Finally, we said we'd use AI to strengthen our capabilities. We have evidenced by what we're seeing across the quality, efficiency and end user experience outcomes. In fact, we'll soon have a customer client AI experience center to enable further ideation and innovation in the AI space.…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question come from the line of Pat McCann with NOBLE Capital.

Patrick Joseph McCann

Analyst

My first question had to do with the Big Beautiful Bill. I was wondering if you could give any comments there as far as any potential impacts to the business, particularly around the SNAP program. It seems like maybe we can finally put some of that uncertainty around budget cuts and so forth behind us with regard to the business. I'm just curious if you could give a little bit of color there.

Clifford A. Skelton

Analyst

Thanks, Pat. Yes. Listen, the Big Beautiful Bill at this stage, is more ideation than execution. I mean it's coming. But we see more opportunities than we see impediments, but it's uncertain. So if you look at some of the work requirements, some of the residency requirements, et cetera, that work has to be done by somebody. So regardless of whether you believe that Medicaid spending is going down or not going down that's sort of irrelevant to our business one way or the other. What's relevant to our business is whether we can capitalize on these new requirements and how we assess the implementation of those requirements on behalf of our clients. So like I said, it's uncertain at this stage. We do believe that there is some fraud reduction opportunities, both in SNAP and in our open loop systems. Again, those are being rolled out regardless of the Big Beautiful Bill. So if anything, we -- as I said in my commentary, some of the green shoots of opportunity are resident within the bill, but the full implementation has not been enacted yet in a way that we can monetize.

Patrick Joseph McCann

Analyst

And with regard to the Commercial segment, could you talk a little bit about what are maybe the largest drivers of the new business signing momentum?

Clifford A. Skelton

Analyst

It's been pretty consistent. Where we -- across our new logo or new capability and our add-on, I would say we're doing more in the new logo new capability arena in terms of performance on a relative basis. We've got to get our account managers hitting the stride in terms of that add-on because that's where the impact revenue comes from, meaning revenue that's produced within the year that you sell. So we're seeing pretty even consistency. I'd like to see better performance out of the account management team. We're seeing, as I said, good performance out of the new logo new capability on a year-over-year basis. But across the Board in Commercial we see an optimistic Q3 and we've got to hit our stride in all three of those categories.

Patrick Joseph McCann

Analyst

Great. And then finally, I was just curious with regard to the rationalization efforts, you mentioned there are a couple of potential news items in process right now. And I was wondering, timing-wise, could you give any more information in terms of should we expect any news between now and the end of the year? Or if there's any additional framing you could give, that would be great.

Clifford A. Skelton

Analyst

Yes. Thanks for the question, Pat. I don't want to get too far out over my skis on this one. Let me just say that there is work underway. As we have said in the past, we're looking to find ways to improve the balance sheet, improve cash flow, improve margins and whatever we do kind of hits the mark in those areas. We think there are opportunities across the portfolio, some more closer to the boat than others. So let me just say that there's work underway without being more explicit. Do I think something is going to happen by the end of the year? I certainly hope so and believe so.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is come from the line of Gowshihan Sriharan with Singular Research.

Gowshihan Sriharan

Analyst

Can you hear me?

Clifford A. Skelton

Analyst

Yes, we can.

Gowshihan Sriharan

Analyst

As this AI-driven solutions become a meaningful part of your offering, are you seeing any pull effect where clients who initially buy a compliance or fraud solution then expand into other Conduent services?

Clifford A. Skelton

Analyst

Yes. I mean if you look at what we're doing in AI, in the past, I've said that AI was sort of in preparation mode. We're now in execution mode across 8 key initiatives where we're actually in production. And fraud is one of those in the government space, specifically in our open loop system, which we're now trying to migrate to our closed-loop SNAP solution. But we're seeing -- we're not talking to clients that are saying give me AI, give me AI, what we're seeing is clients saying, give me efficiency, give me quality improvement, give me process improvement and AI is a good way to do it. We've got it in our customer-facing environments like Life@Work. We've got them across our transportation business. As I mentioned, government fraud, pharma. And certainly, like everyone else in our contact centers, we're seeing a lot of AI improvements around voice translation, around improved IVRs, et cetera. So the real answer is it's everywhere. Process improvements in our scanning and indexing. And it's -- as I mentioned in the commentary, it's here to stay. Now the question is, how do you -- we're not an AI company. We're an implementer of AI technology to try and prove that improvement in quality, efficiency and that end user experience. So it's across the board, Gowshi. No one area, including fraud is any more important than the others.

Gowshihan Sriharan

Analyst

Okay. And on the regulatory industry development as Medicaid redetermination cycle, SNAP fraud crackdowns. Do you think the market is substantially underestimating this as a revenue catalyst in the next 6 to 12 months?

Clifford A. Skelton

Analyst

It's a good question. It's an unknown answer at this point. I believe, as I said earlier, there's real opportunity. The states can't do the work by themselves. They have to outsource that work to folks like us. They can't determine eligibility. They can't determine work requirements. They can't determine residency requirements without phone calls and e-mails and chats, et cetera, and that's what we do on behalf of the states for the Medicaid eligibility work. So the answer should -- to your question should be, yes. But it all is contingent upon how states roll out the implementation of -- and the speed at which they roll out the implementation of these regulatory requirements that have been put down by the federal government.

Gowshihan Sriharan

Analyst

Okay. Okay. And for talent acquisition, you've highlighted Newsweek's Most Loved place. Have you seen materially lower attrition rate for critical roles? Or is the wage pressure still an offsetting factor, because I think you mentioned that as you scale new offerings?

Clifford A. Skelton

Analyst

Yes, it's a great question. I would say the wage pressure is more muted than I would have said a year ago. Our retention is improved. Our attrition is lower than it was on a consistent basis that what we grade, for lack of a better way to orient people, we have 12 grades in our upper grades with, let's say, 9 through 12, which are the most senior folks in our company. We've seen much lower attrition. But talent is always competitive. Money will always matter. The culture will always matter. And we're never going to stop trying to get the best talent we can in order to do the best job we can. And we've -- as I mentioned earlier, we've done a lot of work in our commercial space, especially, we're doing work in our public sector space. And so the talent is critical. But the direct answer to your question is, yes, we've seen some lower attrition and some muted salary expectations compared to the where it was a year ago.

Gowshihan Sriharan

Analyst

I'll make this my last question. Given that you guys are in your inflection point with the ongoing portfolio actions and a stated goal of unlocking shareholder value, what should the investors watch for in terms of the strategic shift in the Board-driven initiatives under the Mr. Agadi's chairmanship?

Clifford A. Skelton

Analyst

Let me go first and then if Giles has any monetary implications. Look I wouldn't overreact to the Board changes. The timing was right to make the Chairman role. We're constantly examining the Board constituency. We're constantly examining the right experience base for potential Board members to make sure we've got the right team on the field. I will say that Scott Letier has done a fantastic job leading and mentoring in some very tough times, including when the Icahn folks were in the stock. So we're very appreciative of that hard work. But after 4 years, it was time to start changing things out. The new chairman comes with lots of experience, 4, 5, 6 times as a CEO, big investment profile, several Boards, including Chairman of several big companies to include a claims company, an oil servicing company, et cetera. So we're pleased with where we are. We're not done looking at opportunities in terms of Board constituencies, but I wouldn't expect any significant outcomes strategically otherwise from the move.

Giles Goodburn

Analyst

Yes. I think the near-term objectives remain the same. We've got to complete Phase 2 of the portfolio rationalization. We've continued to improve our margin sequentially. And then a balanced approach to the capital as it comes in from the divestitures and how we deploy it.

Operator

Operator

Our next questions come from the line of Marc Riddick with Sidoti & Company.

Marc Frye Riddick

Analyst

I wanted to start maybe -- I think you've talked in the past about your efforts to gain a greater share of wallet. Maybe if you could give a little bit of an update there as to what you're seeing with those efforts as well as maybe how that sort of plays out with the competitive landscape and maybe what you're seeing there?

Giles Goodburn

Analyst

Yes, Marc, I think Cliff alluded to this a little bit earlier, but some of the investments that we've made in the commercial space with new leaders and our client partner strategies. Over the last 2 quarters, we've written, I think it's over 40 new capabilities with existing clients, which is expanding share of wallet with some of the bigger clients that we have in the commercial space. So we see early shoots of that working, and we've certainly got aspirations and expectations of a continuation of driving new capabilities in our existing client base as we move into Q3 and Q4. So I think that piece is working. We just need to see more of it.

Clifford A. Skelton

Analyst

Yes. I mean this land and expand kind of methodology that Giles just alluded to is a secret sauce in the commercial space specifically with respect to new capabilities. But the share of wallet has two forms to it. Of course, the products and services, which we are increasing on a per client basis from the -- in the neighborhood of the 1.5, 1.6 up towards 2 products per client. Obviously, the bigger the client, the more products. The smaller the client, the fewer. But that's one component of the share of wallet is really important. The other component is this is a volume-driven business in many cases. And so once we're resident with a client, we've got to retain as much of that volume as we can. And some of that is episodic based on the economy just on the environment. Some of it is based on performance. And so that's why operational stability is so important to us, and we work hard every day to make sure that, that technology uptime, that the operational stability is solid because clients have choices, and they can move volume around. We're not the only partner out there that they can give the volume to. So it's both. It's -- we got to get in and sell. We're going to drive more share of wallet from a product perspective but we've got to retain those clients in that volume, irrespective of what happens in the economy. So we're doing both as hard as we can anyway.

Marc Frye Riddick

Analyst

Great. And then I wanted to -- I think in your prepared remarks, Cliff you mentioned as far as some commercial activity that I think you're expecting the shift out of -- that you think shifted out of Q2 into maybe Q3 or the remainder of the year. Could you give us maybe a little color on maybe some of that? And do you get the sense that, that was just kind of more delays in client activity. Is that sort of headline driven? Or was there something else there we should be thinking about?

Clifford A. Skelton

Analyst

Yes. There's no magic one client deal out there that say, oh, when this one hits, it's going to be the big one. That's not what I was referring to. But there are lots of -- if Mike McDaniel, our Head of Commercial, were here, he'd tell you there are lots of deals that he and his team are working that are very close to signing where we have the spirit and intent and sort of verbal commitment to get these deals. And some of those are just pushing to Q3. And that's why we're expecting a better performance out of Commercial in Q3, I was speaking specific to Commercial. We also have to do a little better job in Government and Transportation has been going well. Government is also pushed to the right a little bit with a very solid pipeline. Those contracts take longer to execute. And so we're expecting more out of the Government team in the second half of the year as well. .

Operator

Operator

We have reached the end of our question-and-answer session. And with that, ladies and gentlemen, we appreciate your participation. This does conclude today's teleconference. Please disconnect your lines at this time, and enjoy the rest of your day.