And, I guess, it's perspective. I mean, when I look at -- our understanding is, when we've looked at sources was that box office, domestically, for the calendar quarter was off somewhere in the 12.3%, 12.2%, 12.3% range, somewhere in there. We're showing that we were off box office 12%, so we felt like we actually outperformed slightly. When we look at per screen, we're slightly -- box office per screen, I think we're at 12.6%. So you can say 12.6% or so versus 12.3%. But, again, I don't -- it's hard. When you start getting into per screen a little different question whether it's 12.3% or worse. So actually, Ben, we felt like we outperformed slightly, not significantly, not the way we'd love to beat it. But based on our historic growth and outperformance we've had in the past, we still felt strongly that being able to beat the box was beneficial.
Benjamin E. Mogil - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc., Research Division: Okay. And then lastly, just on capital return, I want to thank you for that Robert for the sort of the calendar and versus the per screen. Flipping over to capital return, obviously, you've got a heavy CapEx schedule ahead of you, which I think we all appreciate what the value is there. When you look at capital return, I mean, you've got still significant liquidity. You've got some -- you've got lots of NCM shares, which were given to you over the years for acquisitions so -- were you have a much higher cost base in the original sort of creation, if you will, of NCM. Do you have a sense of maybe a target leverage ratio? Do you have a sense even if we sort of look into '14 of -- where your CapEx becomes more normalized? What kind of sort of share of free cash flow you want to be returning? I'm sort of curious your thoughts around capital return.