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Canadian Natural Resources Limited (CNQ)

Q1 2019 Earnings Call· Thu, May 9, 2019

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen and welcome to the Canadian Natural's Q1 2019 Earnings Results Conference Call. After the presentation, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. Instructions will be given at that time. Please note that this call is being recorded today, May 9, 2019, at 8:00 AM Mountain Time. I would now like to turn the meeting over to your host for today's call, Corey Bieber, Executive Advisor, Capital Markets of Canadian Natural Resources. Please go ahead Mr. Bieber.

Corey Bieber

Management

Thank you, operator. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining our first quarter 2019 conference call. With me this morning are Steve Laut, our Executive Vice Chairman, who will briefly discuss our strategic focus on creating shareholder value and highlight some of the factors that set us apart from our peers. Steve will also provide an update on Canadian Natural and industry's efforts on the environmental front, where significant performance achievements are not well understood. Tim McKay, our President, will provide a more detailed update on the quarter, as well as discuss our ongoing projects and operations. Then Mark Stainthorpe, our Chief Financial Officer, will provide an update on our robust financial position. Before we begin, I would refer you to the special note regarding non-GAAP measures contained in our press release. These measures are used to evaluate the company's performance and should not be considered to be more meaningful than those determined in accordance with IFRS. I would also refer you to the comments regarding forward-looking statements contained in our press release. And also note that all amounts are in Canadian dollars and production and reserves are expressed as before royalties, unless otherwise stated. Finally, Q1, 2019, also reflected implementation of the new standard for accounting for leases. I would point you to our financial statements and MD&A for detailed impacts of the standard on our results. With that, I'll now pass the call over to Steve Laut.

Steve Laut

Management

Thanks, Corey, and good morning, everyone. And thank you for joining the call this morning. Canadian Natural's long life low decline asset base, combined with our effective and efficient operations, make Canadian Natural very robust. As a result, we generate significant free cash flow. Adjusted funds flow was $2.2 billion in Q1, up significantly. As we move through the year, at the current strip, we target our quarters to only get stronger, generating very robust free cash flow. Canadian Natural's ability to generate significant and sustainable free cash flow sets us apart from our peers. Canadian Natural is very disciplined in our cash flow allocation between our four pillars, the balance sheet, return to shareholders via dividends and share buybacks, resource development and opportunistic acquisitions, to maximize value for shareholders. We have vast high-quality undeveloped assets with significant value-adding and growth opportunities, and we remain disciplined on execution for these opportunities. Timing depends on improvements in market access, fiscal competitiveness and regulatory effectiveness and efficiency. There's lots of discussion out there about the Government of Alberta's curtailment program; some for, some against. To be clear, Canadian Natural strongly supports curtailment, as it has normalized markets and saved thousands of jobs for Albertans. Regardless of whether you are for or against curtailment, let's be very clear that the root cause of curtailment is lack of market access. This is the issue that needs to be addressed and we should not become distracted by curtailment issues. There are issues that can and, I believe, will be solved in the implementation of curtailment. But the root cause is lack of market access. Now one of the biggest rationales opponents to pipeline access have strongly put forward was the negative impacts on climate change. Although, this had some merit 10 years ago, it's far…

Tim McKay

President

Thank you, Steve. Good morning everyone. The strength of our assets and our ability to execute shows in our 2019 first quarter results as we continue to effectively allocate capital to maximize free cash flow and value for our shareholders. I will now do a brief overview of the assets. Starting with natural gas, our overall first quarter production of 1.51 Bcf was up from Q4 2018 of 1.48 Bcf, primarily a result of good uptimes in all areas. North American operations was 1.45 Bcf with operating costs of $1.30 which was comparable to Q1 2018. Pine River plant continues to run at a restricted rate at approximately 90 million cubic feet per day and we finally received regulatory approval May 3 and will proceed to close and take over operatorship, driving our costs down in Q2. At Septimus, Q1 we commenced a small drill-to-fill program of five net wells and have targeted them to be on production late Q2, adding 30 million cubic feet and 2100 barrels of NGLs which will fill the plant to capacity. The Septimus Montney liquid rich is very robust due to low-cost tie-in, very low operating costs of $0.36 Mcfe which will further enhance with incremental volumes, resulting in high netbacks. In the first quarter, Canadian Natural operations realized strong natural gas price of $2.88 per Mcf as a result of our diversified natural gas sales portfolio which 37% is used internally, 34% is exported and only 29% is exposed to April pricing. Q2 2019 natural gas guidance is targeted to be 1.5 to 1.53 Bcf a day. In Q1 2019, our North American light oil and NGL reflects curtailed volumes at approximately 95,600 barrels a day, down 3% from Q4 2018 which was also voluntarily curtailed, but up 3% when compared to Q1…

Mark Stainthorpe

Chief Financial Officer

Thanks Tim. Canadian Natural's sound operational execution, resulted in a strong financial quarter. Net earnings of just under $1 billion and adjusted funds flow of over $2.2 billion were achieved in the quarter, up significantly from Q4 2018, partly as a result of a more normalized pricing environment. Our prudent capital program for 2019, in the first quarter, resulted in about $295 million invested, on track for the full year base budget guidance of $3.7 billion. Free cash flow delivered in the quarter was very robust, and we will continue with our free cash flow allocation policy in 2019, which we adopted late last year. As previously disclosed, and approved by the board in March, the dividend was increased 12% to a yearly $1.50 per share. This represented the 19th consecutive year of dividend increases. Additionally, share buybacks totaled over $240 million in the quarter, or 6.65 million shares purchased for cancellation. Together with the dividend, returns to shareholders were over $640 million in the first quarter. Subsequent to the quarter and with more clarity on free cash flow in 2019, a further 4.05 million shares have been purchased to May 8 for cancellation for an aggregate total of approximately $160 million. Our debt metrics and liquidity remain strong, and are targeted to get even stronger throughout 2019. Debt to adjusted EBITDA at Q1 was 2.2 times and debt to book capital was approximately 39% well below our bank financial covenant of 65%. At strip pricing these metrics are currently targeted to exit 2019 in the 1.5 times range for debt to EBITDA, and the 35% range for debt to book capital. Available liquidity represented by bank facilities and cash at Q1 was over $4.2 billion providing flexibility to manage through the business cycle. Canadian Natural is clearly in a strong financial position supporting our abilities to drive increasing shareholder value. With that, I'll turn back to you Tim.

Tim McKay

Operator

Thank you, Mark. In summary, we're delivering sustainable, top-tier free cash flow. Canadian Natural has many advantages. Our balance sheet is strong. And will continue to strengthen. We have a well-balanced diverse large asset base. A significant portion of our asset base is long life, low decline assets, which require less capital to maintain volumes. We have a balance in our commodities with approximately 54% of our BOEs, light crude oil and SCO 22% heavy, 24% natural gas in Q1 which lessens our exposure and volatility, to any one commodity. Canadian Natural will continue to allocate cash flow to our four pillars in a disciplined manner to maximize value for our shareholders, which is all driven by effective and efficient operations by our teams to deliver top-tier results. We have as previously announced, increased our dividend by 12%. It is our 19th consecutive year of dividend increases, share purchases year-to-date have been 10.7 million shares. Combined with the 2018 shares of 30.9, a cumulative total of almost 42 million shares or approximately $1.7 billion have returned to our shareholders. With that, I will open up the call for questions.

Operator

Operator

Certainly. [Operator Instructions] Your first questions comes from Manav Gupta from Credit Suisse. Your line is open.

Manav Gupta

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Your line is open

Congrats guys, congrats on a good quarter. It's difficult to make $1 billion in oil sands alone. And you showed again why you are the best in the business. My question here first is you are right that the process of nomination is broken here and you are working with the government here. Like what is the resolution? What's the timeline of resolution? When can we hear anything on that entire process being fixed sir?

Tim McKay

Operator

Yeah. With the election and the change of government, obviously, we've got to reinitiate a lot of the discussions that were started with the previous administration. I think the key point here is that a real barrel produced in Alberta needs to have access equal access into the market. And, with the current system, where you can nominate, double times, what is actually real barrel. The air barrels have to come out of the system. Within the system those post-apportionment barrels get traded at a discount. So if you look at Q4 October, the differentials on the spot market blew out about $17. What we saw here in the first quarter is through the curtailment that difference between the monthly index and the spot is very tight. And so, we're not getting that big discount on the post-apportionment barrel. So, curtailment is working. It's been very effective. It's creating jobs. It's you know taxes. And it's just we have to fix the nomination system.

Manav Gupta

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Your line is open

And a quick follow-up, sir you highlighted how you lowered the cost all the way from $40 to $15. There are some higher cost assets available in the markets which are being very publicly open for sale. I'm just trying to understand given everything that's going on is there's any interest in those assets?

Tim McKay

Operator

Yeah. Well, we've never commented on acquisitions or potential acquisitions. So I think if you look at Canadian Natural, we have no gaps in our portfolio. We're very strong. We're very good at what we do in our areas. So we don't need to do acquisitions. But, at the same time we're not afraid to do acquisitions, if we can leverage our ability to add value to the company.

Manav Gupta

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Your line is open

Thank you so much and congrats on the good result.

Tim McKay

Operator

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Neil Mehta from Goldman Sachs. Your line open.

Neil Mehta

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line open

Good morning, Tim. The first question I had was just on price realizations. It looked like the price realizations came in better than what we would have anticipated, particularly on the heavy side. Is there anything you could point to on the -- on what you were doing around blending? Or was there any one-off dynamics that would have contributed to the premium heavy pricing?

Tim McKay

Operator

No. Everything is really the same. We don't change that piece. But what I can say is, what you may be seeing is the difference in the post-apportionment spot barrels. If you look back in Q4, because of the nomination system and because of that post-apportionment discount, we were getting back 40% of our oil. And it was being discounted even further than the market index. For example, in October it was $17. Now when you look at Q1 those differentials between the monthly index and to the post-apportionment have tightened. And so, when they've tightened again you're not seeing that big disconnect between the month index and the post-apportionment barrels.

Neil Mehta

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line open

Okay. That's helpful. And then the follow-up is just around capital returns. How should we think about the level of share repurchase? I think, you had a strong buyback number in the first quarter, but it was still below the 50% that you typically target post-dividend. It looks like you're picking up the pace in April. But just any guidance here on the cadence in your confidence around the ability to hit 50%? And what scenario would you even go above that?

Mark Stainthorpe

Chief Financial Officer

Yes. Hey, Neil. It's Mark. And just to recap. Remember that the free cash flow allocation policy adopted late last year takes the adjusted funds flow less our budgeted capital less our current dividend, and then 50% is allocated to the balance sheet through debt repayment and 50% to share buybacks. That's the formula that we're striving for. Now, of course, that is a forward-looking exercise. So we have to look at it over a longer period of time. So what you're seeing is, as the free cash flow becomes more clear, you're seeing more get allocated to those share buybacks. So we'll be prudent and effective in how we do it. But that is something that is a forward look that needs to happen over time.

Neil Mehta

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line open

Got it. All right. Thanks guys.

Mark Stainthorpe

Chief Financial Officer

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Phil Gresh from JPMorgan. Your line is open.

Mark Stainthorpe

Chief Financial Officer

Hi, Phil.

Phil Gresh

Analyst · JPMorgan. Your line is open

Yes. Hi, good morning. I think first question would just be a follow-up to Neil's, maybe worded a little differently. Obviously, working capital was a pretty big headwind in the quarter as oil prices went up similar to your peers. But I'm curious, how you think about what will happen with working capital for the rest of the year. And I realize that's not part of your return of capital formula. But is that something that you would be looking to leverage to pay down debt, given the build in debt in the first quarter?

Mark Stainthorpe

Chief Financial Officer

Yes. Thanks, Phil. It's Mark, again. Yes. So if you look at the working capital, that's right. That's partly why you don't see the allocation to debt in the quarter, because the working capital built up. So you'll see that work itself out through the year as we go through that 50-50 the cash flow allocation.

Phil Gresh

Analyst · JPMorgan. Your line is open

And so, you would expect this $1 billion working capital build to reverse totally for the year or partially? Or just generally how do you think about that?

Mark Stainthorpe

Chief Financial Officer

What it is, Phil, is it's the timing of payments, right? So when you look at what December pricing was that comes in as a receivable for January, it gets built up. So depending on what pricing does and differentials do will depend on what that receivable working capital will look like. So if you have a steady stream here from -- to the end of the year on pricing, you'll see that come in flat-line out.

Phil Gresh

Analyst · JPMorgan. Your line is open

Right. Okay. And then, second question, just on CapEx. It sounds like you're, obviously, still pretty committed to a $3.7 billion budget for this year. Curious, what, if anything, would make you reconsider that at this point, given that we're approaching almost the mid-point of the year? And more broadly, how you think about the project opportunities at Horizon and at what point you might consider those?

Tim McKay

Operator

Yes. So, we're still, I would say, call it, in a holding pattern until we see clarity on market access. Really what we would like to see is, those dates firm, potentially maybe shovels in the ground before we start to adding capital to our budget. In the meantime, we're doing all the preparatory work at Horizon thermal. And on the conventional side, to be able to execute projects should market access become clear.

Phil Gresh

Analyst · JPMorgan. Your line is open

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Greg Pardy from RBC Capital Markets. Your line is open.

Greg Pardy

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets. Your line is open

Thanks. Good morning. Wanted to jump, maybe, just into -- maybe, a bit more of the macro and then your market access strategy, if things don't go as planned with pipelines. But maybe just the first -- Steve, you made the comment around curtailments being very effective in terms of tightening spreads and we 100% agree with that. The mechanism there, though, I think, when originally envisioned, had been more along the lines of very significant reductions in terms of Alberta storage. Just wondering if you can maybe tie the two together? Because I mean the last number we have on storage of course because the data's not publicly available is still pretty elevated. I'm just wondering how much of a concern that might be in terms of differentials and whether those numbers should just naturally come down over the course of the year?

Tim McKay

Operator

Yes. It's Tim here. So there's a couple of things in there. One going back to where we started with the curtailment, the original proposal was to use companies' capacity a six-month average of what they could produce. The next step was they went to this peak production piece, which in my mind was not well thought out as these one-month peaks aren't representative of what the companies can produce. So that would have helped in terms of if you look at companies that could make their curtailment volumes and companies that couldn't make their curtailment volumes in Q1. Canadian Natural is one of the few companies that had the capacity to meet all its curtailment volumes. Going from there, we saw rail pullback with the differentials. And again between the WTI price and the differentials the crude by rail for some operators wasn't as economic as going through the pipe. And as such, they pulled back on the rail. As things have strengthened here on the WTI price differentials, the premium of $2 WCS in the Gulf, it is very economic to ship more oil by rail. And we expect that will happen here over the year. In terms of declines, there is low activity out in Alberta. And if you just say that 45,000 barrels will start to decline and NWR will come up and running and start taking oil out of the market at some point. But directionally there are a lot of positives headed here towards the summer. The turnaround season has begun. And as such ourselves and many other producers will start to take volumes off that will further draw down the inventories.

Greg Pardy

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets. Your line is open

Okay. Thanks, Tim. That's helpful. I mean, you guys are very long-term in nature. So wondering how you're thinking about plan B in terms of market access. So I think we're as optimistic as anybody around Trans Mountain and then ideally Line 3 being on sometime early in the second half of next year. If that doesn't happen then, how do you think about growth and balance between how much you're investing in Canada versus externally? And is the bridging mechanism around rail potentially going to become more important? Like I'm sure you've thought about this just given the size and the presence that you play in the basin.

Tim McKay

Operator

Yes. Well again, if you look at it today, we are shipping oil by rail 14,000 barrels a day. And I think the first thing that Alberta has to do and wrap it's head around is the nomination process. If you look at the nomination process, I think that has to be number one before you can even step into rail, because all it's doing is pushing real barrels out of the pipeline and actually forcing discount on other producers. So I think that's the first step. Next step is rail. And for us we all participate in that market. But we have to have the right deal and it has to be flexible. But we're not afraid to do more rail. But it has to be for the right reason and the right economic reason to add value for the company.

Greg Pardy

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets. Your line is open

Okay. Steve, sorry. Tim last one for me then is just with the mainline going from common carrier to presumably contracted statuses, is that something that you would see alleviating -- well it would obviously change the whole makeup on how this works? But is that something that CNQ would be interested in signing up for?

Tim McKay

Operator

Well without knowing all the terms of what that would look like my initial impression would be it would be very difficult to just go to that one area. Right now, we would like to have multiple exit points versus being stuck to one pad too. So I think it's going to be very difficult for us to get onboard with something like that without having potentially multiple dropout points going down to the Gulf. We don't want to be held hostage to one area.

Greg Pardy

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets. Your line is open

Understood. Thanks very much.

Tim McKay

Operator

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Phil Skolnick from Eight Capital. Your line is open.

Phil Skolnick

Analyst · Eight Capital. Your line is open

Yes. Thanks. Just want to go back to the M&A question. I understand you say you don't have any gaps in the portfolio or anything. But what is it that you look for when making an acquisition? Do you take into consideration market access, especially given what's going on today in tax pools et cetera? Particularly given there is one visible practice that's out there right now.

Tim McKay

Operator

Well the thing we look at is how do we add value to the company long term? And so if you look at ASOP, we had Horizon, we had an extremely great team up there driving our cost increasing reliability in a safe reliable way. And we were able to leverage our knowledge for the ASOP operations. And you're seeing the huge benefits that have today for the company and it has created long-term value to the company. So that's probably the key thing. We always look at these things of how we could add long-term value to the company.

Phil Skolnick

Analyst · Eight Capital. Your line is open

Okay. Thanks. And just finally in terms of the Albian, which started with the Scotford Upgrader going through a 38-day turnaround, are you producing any dilbit out of the Albian? And if so, are you like storing that right now? So does that mean sales in June, July could be greater than production?

Tim McKay

Operator

No.

Steve Laut

Management

We're essentially pacing the upgrader.

Tim McKay

Operator

Yeah. Yeah, it's just pacing the upgrader. There is no change to the operation there. But what I can say is the damage at the upgrader is what I would call very minimal. And I expect everything to be back to normal here the first part of June.

Phil Skolnick

Analyst · Eight Capital. Your line is open

Okay, perfect. And then finally just how should we think about this gas injection test? What do you look for success? And what would lead to a full scale development? And how large can that be?

Tim McKay

Operator

The gas injection at Septimus?

Phil Skolnick

Analyst · Eight Capital. Your line is open

Yes.

Tim McKay

Operator

Yeah. Well, in theory we'll know here probably in the next six months. But in theory by injecting gas there we'll be able to enhance our liquids recovery out of the Montney. And in theory if it works, it'll be very substantial as we're the largest Montney landholder. So with that we're doing -- we feel very confident with the opportunity. We're actually doing engineering work on another site that we'll potentially pilot here in the next year or two as well. So we're looking forward to that opportunity.

Phil Skolnick

Analyst · Eight Capital. Your line is open

Okay, great. That’s it for me. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Joe Gemino from Morningstar. Your line is open.

Joe Gemino

Analyst · Morningstar. Your line is open

Great, thank you. You may have touched on this a little bit. But can you expand a little further in how you think about bringing your growth projects online Kirby and Primrose with these production cuts in effect and there's the potential for them to be extended into next year with the Line 3 delay?

Tim McKay

Operator

Yeah. So specifically on Kirby, the thing you have to look at is there are declines across the basin. Rail is coming into Alberta and it will take away incremental barrels. And NWR will be on production here this year and taking 50,000 barrels a day. So beyond that when you look at Kirby, it is a nice slow ramp-up. In Alberta, it will add 300 direct jobs. It's an incremental production. And I think it's very important for Alberta in terms of direction, in terms of positive signals to the market. With Primrose, Primrose is the pad adds. They're very economic and we can turn them on or turn them off. So, while we're still targeting Primrose to start steaming and potentially producing in the Q4 that one it's an optionally so that it's the same number of people. It's not too much different than another well of two different fields. So, whereas, Kirby is very important I think to Alberta in terms of jobs and growth long-term.

Joe Gemino

Analyst · Morningstar. Your line is open

Great. That's helpful. And if I could follow-up. There's been a lot of talk about Enbridge's priority access. Do you have any thoughts on where Canadian Natural's fits into those discussions?

Tim McKay

Operator

Again preliminary we're not in favor of it. The issue we see is that by not having multiple exit points from along the line we would be held hostage into that one area. And so for us we would love to have a pipeline with good access to the Gulf Coast where you have a competitive market and you could sell your barrels at market price versus a discount.

Joe Gemino

Analyst · good access to the Gulf Coast where you have a competitive market and you could sell your barrels at market price versus a discount

Great. That's helpful. Thanks for taking my questions.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Asit Sen from Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Your line is open.

Asit Sen

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Your line is open

Thanks. Good morning. You've been very clear on your capital budget being at $3.7 billion unless you see clarity on market access. Just wondering, if you could remind us on the Horizon growth project economics both in the PFD and the debottlenecking and what the economics look like based on your work currently? And what's the lead time for such project to ramp-up?

Tim McKay

Operator

So the current forecast is really two years from today is the timing for Horizon. And again we're doing the engineering work. We're doing the cost estimates. And neither project has been sanctioned. But the paraffinic piece, which is kind of a dilbit piece was 45,000 to 55,000 barrels a day for 1.4 billion. And as for the Stage 2, the SCO-1 we're still doing the work to work out those costs and the execution plan.

Asit Sen

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Your line is open

Thank you. And if I could go back again to the market access and the diff situation. Sorry to put you in the spot. But what's your -- since you have access to much more information than we do, what's your best guess in terms of the roadmap and timing to normalization of heavy oil or light oil diffs? What's the pathway?

Tim McKay

Operator

Well, I see the pathway kind of in a two-step thing. I think the first piece is we have to fix the nomination system. Having these barrels going -- these air barrels affecting or distorting the market, first and foremost to me, has to be fixed. Second piece is that once you fix the system, then you would probably get a better system in terms of people could do the economics on rail and then figure out if it's the right opportunity to move oil to the Gulf Coast. And I kind of see it as a two-step process here.

Asit Sen

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Your line is open

Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Roger Read from Wells Fargo. Your line is open.

Roger Read

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Your line is open

Yeah. Thank you. Good morning.

Tim McKay

Operator

Good morning.

Roger Read

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Your line is open

Just wanted to catch up. On the curtailment, maybe a slightly different path here. I mean, I think we all understand the immediate goal of the curtailment. But as we look at the kind of longer term plan for getting improved access part of which would likely have been increased rail capacity any views you have that you can share with us on how you think that has helped? As we think about takeaway capacity at the end of this year and into 2020, certainly the timeframe before we'll see any meaningful improvement in pipeline capacity beyond what is already known, right? The volumes at Northwest Refinery will take the Line three expansion and so forth.

Tim McKay

Operator

Yeah. So, going forward, we believe that with all between the declines, the rail -- and you have to remember the Alberta government is in for 120,000 barrels a day as well and the Northwest Upgrader. The curtailments will probably decrease over time. But I can't emphasize enough unless the nomination rules get changed, we're still going to have air in the system and we're still as an industry as Albertans suffer from job losses and from a huge discount on our oil, not getting world prices unless we fix the system. And I think that has to be one of the first priorities is to fix the nomination system, so that Alberta and Alberta, Canadian companies can get world price for their product. And as a result of that then it translates into jobs, royalties, taxes and all the benefits that are actually shared across Canada by having market access.

Roger Read

Analyst · a huge discount on our oil, not getting world prices unless we fix the system. And I think that has to be one of the first priorities is to fix the nomination system, so that Alberta and Alberta, Canadian companies can get world price for their product. And as a result of that then it translates into jobs, royalties, taxes and all the benefits that are actually shared across Canada by having market access

Yeah. I understand that. I guess my question is what has curtailment done to help on that front? I mean, it's a temporary bandage on a particularly bad wound, I get that part. But the overall goal here has to be to improve takeaway capacity to as you say deal with the nominations issue. So maybe more specific on my question has curtailment done anything to change any of those two main factors that you've cited here? Have you seen any progress on the political front with that?

Tim McKay

Operator

Yeah. Well, with the change in government here, there's been really no change because everything went on a holding pattern. We expect here in the next month that we'll reinitiate those discussions. A few of the government officials have reached out to us after the election to reinitiate some of the discussions that we had previously. So, we expect over the coming months that people will start to be engaged.

Roger Read

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Your line is open

Okay. Thank you for your time.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Fai Lee from Odlum Brown. Your line is open.

Fai Lee

Analyst · Odlum Brown. Your line is open

Hi. Fai, here. You've given a lot of factual arguments on your progress and commitment to addressing ESG issues and greenhouse gas emissions. However, for a lot of politicians and industry opponents, I get the impression that their ESG concerns, beliefs and arguments are anchored more on emotions rather than logic. Do you have any thoughts on potential strategies on how Can Natural and the rest of the industry can communicate a positive ESG message to people not necessarily easily persuaded by factual arguments?

Steve Laut

Management

Yeah. I think what we -- you see in the industry and Canadian Natural ourselves try to do this, we work together with CAPP and other associations to get that factual message out there. I think we are seeing good results. And if you look at the polling results, majority of Canadians are in favor of pipelines. They see the pipeline issue as a crisis that needs to be solved and they recognize the great work that the Canadian oil and gas industry has done to reduce our emissions intensity and overall environmental performance. That message is getting there. It's taking some time. As you pointed out, it's a very emotional message on some of the detractor’s side. But I think in the long-term, things are going our way.

Fai Lee

Analyst · Odlum Brown. Your line is open

Okay. Thank you.

Steve Laut

Management

Also on C69, I think you're seeing the Senate actually listen and make significant amendments to Bill C69. And we'll see how that works through the process. But you can now see that there is being progress made. So it's much more positive than maybe it looks out there from all the emotional rhetoric.

Fai Lee

Analyst · Odlum Brown. Your line is open

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Jon Morrison from CIBC Capital Markets. Your line is open.

Jon Morrison

Analyst · CIBC Capital Markets. Your line is open

Tim, just a point of clarification and going back to your comments around apportionment, is it your view that there continues to be physical space on the mainline in the past couple months and that's ultimately why Canadian barrels continue to clear added tariff pricing? Because your point, it's a bit tough to reconcile the tight diffs that are holding kind of across grades, the reported to apportionment numbers and Canadian storage that appears to effectively been in stock since kind of late January plus or minus a little?

Tim McKay

Operator

Yes. It is a little bit confusing in the sense that, there's a lot of things going on. I think the first there is the pipe is full. And so that piece, we feel fairly confident that that piece is happening. But I guess what's happening on the post-apportionment side is that the supply balance is probably very close. So we haven't seen a increase and we really haven't seen much of a decrease. And part of it has been - the rail has been fluctuating. Part of it is the Alberta government has increased the curtailment. I don't know -- lessened the curtailment I guess over the last few months. So what we're seeing is, there's a lot of levers that are kind of in the mix. So it is very confusing. But I think the bottom line is, we're seeing is that there's a supply balance and therefore that incremental barrel if it gets -- the supply goes to high we will get impacted.

Jon Morrison

Analyst · CIBC Capital Markets. Your line is open

And so that's where you basically believe that over-nominated barrels are being filled by spot purchases that largely line up with production. And that's why storage really isn't making a change and that's not being used as a mechanism to sell the line at this point?

Tim McKay

Operator

You're absolutely correct.

Jon Morrison

Analyst · CIBC Capital Markets. Your line is open

Okay. Is it fair to assume that even if we saw mainline recontracting conversations get solidified over 2019 that the changes aren't effectively going to take hold until January 2021? And then depending on what happens with incremental egress maybe it's a bit of a moot point?

Tim McKay

Operator

I'm not going to speculate on that whole thing. I think, it's a fair ways away from going anywhere in industry today. So until we see some solid details of exactly what would be proposed, I wouldn't even want to speculate on the timing or anything.

Jon Morrison

Analyst · exactly what would be proposed, I wouldn't even want to speculate on the timing or anything

Maybe just a last one for me on the broader M&A focus, given that there's no strategic need for you guys to buy anything given the portfolio that you have, does it imply that the likelihood of doing anything really just becomes a function of price and accretion? And then secondarily, if we don't have more visibility than anything on Line 3, are you comfortable taking on more upstream production, if it doesn't have strong market access? Or you'd ultimately need to see progress in one of the other two lines to really take comfort on anything of scale on size?

Tim McKay

Operator

I think in any kind of M&A, a key thing for us is how do we add value and what does it do for the company on a long term? And value is a lot of different items that include, what we can do in terms of operating efficiency, operating cost, increasing volumes and how it really creates value for the company? So that is the key thing is we really in any kind of M&A is want to know how it can add value to the company for long term.

Jon Morrison

Analyst · CIBC Capital Markets. Your line is open

Appreciate the color. I will turn it back.

Operator

Operator

Our last question comes from David Clark with Mizuho.

Corey Bieber

Management

Dave? Hello?

Operator

Operator

David Clark your line is open.

Corey Bieber

Management

Okay. Well with that operator, I'd like to thank you and thank everyone for attending our conference call this morning and would like to reiterate that Canadian Natural's large diverse asset base continues to drive significant shareholder value. The ability of Canadian Natural's teams to deliver effective and efficient operations with top-tier performance is contributing to substantial and sustainable free cash flow. And this together with affective capital allocation contributes to achieving Canadian Natural's goal of maximizing shareholder value. As always, if you do have any further questions please don't hesitate to give us a shout. And thank you again. We'll look forward to our 2019 second quarter conference call in early August. Thank you and goodbye.

Operator

Operator

This concludes today's conference call. You may now disconnect.