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Ducommun Incorporated (DCO)

Q4 2016 Earnings Call· Mon, Mar 6, 2017

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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen and welcome to the Ducommun Fourth Quarter 2016 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question-and-answer session and instructions would be given at that time. [Operator Instructions]. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. I would like to turn the conference over to our moderator for today Chris Witty. You may begin.

Chris Witty

Analyst

Thank you. And welcome to Ducommun’s 2016 fourth quarter conference call. With me today are Tony Reardon, Chairman of the Board of Directors; Steve Oswald, President and CEO; and Doug Groves, Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer. I would now like to provide a brief Safe Harbor statement. This conference call may include forward-looking statements that represent the Company’s expectations and beliefs concerning future events that involve risks and uncertainties and may cause the Company’s actual performance to be materially different from the performance indicated or implied by such statements. All statements other than statements of historical facts included in this conference call are forward-looking statements. Although the Company believes that the expectations reflected in such forward-looking statements are reasonable, it can give no assurance that such expectations will prove to have been correct. Important factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from the Company’s expectations are disclosed in this conference call and in the Company’s annual report on Form 10-K for the fiscal year ended December 31, 2016. All subsequent written and oral forward-looking statements attributable to the Company or persons acting on its behalf are expressly qualified in their entirety by the cautionary statements. Unless otherwise required by law, the Company undertakes no obligation to publicly update or revise any forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise after the date of this conference call. I would now like to turn the call over to Mr. Tony Reardon for a review of the operating results. Tony?

Tony Reardon

Analyst

Thank you, Chris. And thank you everyone for joining us today for our 2016 fourth quarter conference call. We'll do things, a little bit different today. I will begin by providing an overview of recent accomplishments and our current market outlook, then I'm going hand the call over to our new President and CEO, Steve Oswald to say a few words. After which Doug Groves will go our financial results in detail. But first let me say a few words about Steve. It gives me great pleasure to have Steve take the helm of the Ducommun. His appointment follows a thorough search by our Board of Directors to find a dedicated, experienced executive to take the company to the next level in its growth trajectory. Steve has an excellent background in the industry having previously served in a leadership positions at organizations including Capital Safety, United Technology, [Indiscernible] and GE. Since joined the Ducommun he has been diligently working to become familiar with our management team, business units and our unique manufacturing capabilities and applications. We're proud of all that we've accomplish this past year, as we've strengthen the balance sheet, streamlined our operations and improved our overall operating results. I believe that Steve will now bring a fresh perspective to run in the comment with the passion, capability and experience needed to drive our long term financial performance. He will continue our focus on growing the topline, expanding our customer base and leveraging our unique structural and electrics capabilities to enhance shareholder value. The Board and I are very confident in the future of the Ducommun in Steve's hands as we turn to a new chapter in our history. I will be staying on as the Chairman to help ensures smooth transition as Steve guides the company going forward.…

Steve Oswald

Analyst

Thanks, Tony. It's great to be onboard with Ducommun, where I see a lot of potential as to begin in my tenure as President and CEO. It's been a busy albeit short-time since joining the company and I've been focused on mainly the operational management, travelling to the many sites, reviewing program rollout plans and jointly quite familiar with every aspect of the business. What I found is an organization of talented individuals who are dedicated, know the aerospace industry extremely well and are excited about the important role we play on a number of leading platforms. These people as well as the potential is why I joined Ducommun, and I will layout more of my vision in the months to come for the Company. As you know a number of measures are already taken to reinvigorate and focus Ducommun before I arrived. I want everyone to know we'll continue to follow a past that increases both top line growth and bottom line results. The fact that margins were solid, expenses are down and the balance sheet strong will provide the flexibility and foundation for us to focus in on innovation, business development and of course having a world class team on the field. As Doug will review in a moment, we posted strong margins cash flow again this past quarter. We believe the outlook for 2017 and beyond looks promising given our large book of business and attractive applications on many leading aerospace platforms. It's certainly an exciting time to be joining the company. With that, I would now have Doug to review our financial results in detail. Doug?

Doug Groves

Analyst

Thank you, Steve and good day to everybody. I'll review the financial results in a little different order today by starting with net income since we have two non-recurring items in the fourth quarter related to the finalization of our Miltec Divestiture. Net income was $2.8 million or $0.25 per diluted share compared to a net loss of $65.2 million or $5.88 per share in the fourth quarter of 2015. The fourth quarter of 2016 included a negative $1.2 million pretax networking capital adjustment for which there was no related tax benefit and a $1 million tax adjustment related to the tax basis of Miltec, both negatively impacting net income. The effect of these two non-recurring items of $2.2 million after-tax or $0.20 per diluted share. Aside from these items, the change in net income year-over-year reflects two charges recorded in the fourth quarter of 2015 at $57.2 million cash, non-cash pretax goodwill impairment charge within our structural system segment and $32.9 million non-cash pretax impairment charge related to an indefinite-lived trade name within our electronic system segment partially offset by a higher tax provision this year. Revenue for the fourth quarter of 2016 was $142.5 million compared to $156.6 million for the fourth quarter of 2015. The decline year-over-year primarily reflects $17.5 million of lower revenue within the company's industrial end markets due to the divestiture of our Pittsburgh facility in January of '16, the closure of our Huston operation in December 2015. We also saw $4.5 million of lower revenue within the company's military and space markets mainly due to the divestiture of our Miltec business last March, but we posted $7.8 million higher revenue within our commercial aerospace markets reflecting new awards and increased content. Ducommun's stock log improved to some $600 million at year end, the…

Tony Reardon

Analyst

Thank you, Doug. With Ducommun’s leadership now in Steve hand, I just wanted to thank our Board of Directors, our investors, our employees and our customers for the many years that I've had the pleasure of working with you. The company has changed dramatically since I became CEO in 2010 and my goal was to lead Ducommun in a better position than when I started, which hopefully I’ve been able to accomplish for our shareholders. As the Chairman in board, I want to continue to work with and to support Steve and his leadership team to achieve our goals for the improving shareholder value. Ducommun could not be a company it is today without our entire team coming together to serve our customers and shareholders, in a way that is dramatically improved our competitiveness and our market position. I’m proud to turn over the reins to see at this pivotal time in our history, where the next stage of Ducommun's growth trajectory is clearly a hand. With our company in solid shape operationally, a strong backlog and platform expansion right around the corner. I firmly believe that Ducommun under Steve’s capable leadership is in the sound footing for 2017 and beyond. With that, I’d like to open up the call for questions.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] And our first question comes from Edward Marshall of Sidoti & Company. Your line is now open.

Edward Marshall

Analyst

Yeah, so I just wanted to -- I guess the first question I had was you gave some outlook into the Q1 and you referenced 2016 and I’m just kind of curious could you parse out what the divestitures were in the first quarter of 2016 or the revenue that you accumulated from the divestitures?

Doug Groves

Analyst

Sure, that’s about $9 million in the first quarter for the divestitures in 2016.

Edward Marshall

Analyst

Okay. And you’ve talked about the higher costs associated with the CEO transition, do you quantify what that would be that you experience in 2017?

Doug Groves

Analyst

No, Ed, we don’t quantify that specifically other than to say that our SG&A will be running a little bit higher this year as noted in the remarks, probably closer to 14.5% then the sort of 14.1% where we wrapped this year.

Edward Marshall

Analyst

And would you break that out as far as each quarter or is this I mean is -- my understanding is it would be looked at as somewhat one time in nature?

Doug Groves

Analyst

Some of it is spread across the year, so I would say it's party heavily weighted in the first quarter, but there will be some that comes through the second half of the year.

Edward Marshall

Analyst

Got it. And you said the Neo content, but I don’t know, did you ever quantified it, could you kind of talk about what you have on the Neo today and maybe where you anticipate that program might be as you have some bids out I'm assuming?

Steve Oswald

Analyst

Well we have a number of different applications on the Neo today and we don’t really quantify the shifted value as we go forward especially on new programs that we're developing for competitive reasons. But suffice to say that we've won a number of applications on the Neo primarily in the titanium area, but we've been very successful and continued to be successful in our bid processes and so we expect that to be a solid program for us going forward.

Edward Marshall

Analyst

Okay and you said radar racks and missile systems are coming through in 2017, I think that was a negative for you in 2016. Is that those programs kind of waited on some, but do you kind of talk about maybe what you anticipate to happen in 2017 from a numbers perspective in those two?

Tony Reardon

Analyst

I think that we will see a pick-up on the military side, but I think that when you look at our total military business, it's going to stay in that $60 million total revenue range. But with the pick-up we're trying to get kind of a steady state on the F-18 and the F-15, if you've noticed over the last couple of years it's been up and down due to late lead time issues from our customers. But we're trying to get that's smoothed out this year, so that you see more of a steady state as that goes along and I guess as the confidence to say that we're going to be in that $60-ish million range going forward quarter-over-quarter.

Edward Marshall

Analyst

But it's with your mix?

Tony Reardon

Analyst

Its' a good mix, yes.

Edward Marshall

Analyst

And then finally as I look at your backlog and one year record levels, I'm just trying to -- I'm curious as to, if you look at it this way I'm not sure, but the new programs and new awards that you've won over the last say a couple of years, how much of that is as a percentage of your backlog or anytime of clarity that we can kind of look at maybe your success or your battering average that you have in backlog based on what you've done over the last couple of years from new awards and programs, bids on the Neo, bids on the 737, et cetera.

Tony Reardon

Analyst

I think we've done well in both of those areas as we don’t like to quantify that data because of competitive reasons, Ed. But suffice to say that the pick-up and between the third quarter and the fourth quarter was non-commercial programs and primarily new applications.

Edward Marshall

Analyst

Got it. Thanks guys.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And our next question comes from Ken Herbert of Canaccord Gennuity. Your line is now open.

Ken Herbert

Analyst

I just wanted to first ask that you gave some guidance in considering the new programs and the impact for margins within the structures segment. As I look at electronic systems, is it fair to assume now since we saw a really nice uptick in the fourth quarter does that say for 2017 we should assume double-digit margins in that business and or maybe a color around that like you provided on the structural side would be helpful?

Doug Groves

Analyst

Hi, Ken, this is Doug. We've historically said I mean it was a really nice quarter at 11.3% margin for the year at 9.5%, so I think that range of 9% to 10% is where we see that business. It will bounce around in between quarters because of our product mix, but probably within that range as we move through 2017.

Tony Reardon

Analyst

We had a nice mix in the fourth quarter and that's what gave us the uptick.

Ken Herbert

Analyst

Okay. But so clearly a bit of a maybe a nice mix, but the mix maybe isn't is good in 2017?

Tony Reardon

Analyst

I wouldn't say not as good, I would just say that it is going to bounce around. I mean the quarterly operating margins for our business, the first quarter was 8.2, the fourth quarter was 11.3. So it does move around from quarter-to-quarter depending upon the products that are getting shipped within the quarter.

Ken Herbert

Analyst

Okay. That's helpful.

Doug Groves

Analyst

We're real comfortable in that 9 to 10 range and look for uptake and we're working for that.

Ken Herbert

Analyst

Okay and was -- the step down in margins and structures, was at 100% due -- sequentially 100% due to the introduction of the new content you've won and the mix there or was there anything else that happened in the quarter?

Tony Reardon

Analyst

It's two-fold, one is some of the step down as we talked about in the third quarter is really from the military side, the lower military revenue which was a little bit richer. But we're investing heavily in the new programs and we have a number of new programs on the Titanium side as well as on the composite side, we've invested heavily in the programs and continue to do that. So we saw that little higher investment in the fourth quarter as Doug talked about in his remarks. But we continue to see investment going forward in the first quarter and probably in the second and third quarter not as high an extent.

Ken Herbert

Analyst

Oka, okay, that's helpful. And if I could just the backlog question in a different way. You obviously added about $36 million $37 million sequential step up in the backlog and as you indicated it was virtually all of the commercial aerospace side. Is it fair to assume that step up is virtually all narrow-body which is where it seems to you've been winning significant content on the titanium side?

Tony Reardon

Analyst

Absolutely that's correct?

Ken Herbert

Analyst

Yeah, okay. Alright, that's helpful. And then just finally Doug, what's the maybe -- sorry if you mentioned this, but what's the assumption or D&A for '17?

Doug Groves

Analyst

If the A stays about the same, where the run-rate where we're at now, amortization of about $9 million and then the deprecation will step up with the additional CapEx probably $1 million to $2 million off of what our run-rate was this year primarily driven by the investment in the Parsons facility.

Ken Herbert

Analyst

Okay that's helpful. And then if I could just one final question, maybe for Steve and obviously you've just settled in, you're going to be hitting your leverage targets depending upon how fast the EBITDA ramps mid to second half of this year. Anything Steven you care to say around capital deployment or any thoughts you might have that as you think about the free cash flow generation and as that continuously increase as you look to use capital?

Steve Oswald

Analyst

Yeah thank you for the question. So look we still got some work to do in the first half of the year to pay down some debt. But my view is that second half of the year we're going to start looking for effective acquisitions what I called them to really increase our value and portfolio. So I think more of coming that, but the first half is pay down debt and then we'll start moving forward.

Ken Herbert

Analyst

Okay, helpful. Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions]. As our next question comes from Mark Jordan of Noble Financial. Your line is now pen.

Mark Jordan

Analyst

Question I thought which is more longer term on the structures side, once we get through this bubble of investment in new programs and I guess late in '17 or into '18, what should be the normalized operating margin in the structures group again once we get past this wave of investment in new programs?

Tony Reardon

Analyst

Mark, I think that after we run through these investments, we should be returning to that 8% to 9% range and driving towards the 9%, if you will. But we do have a number of new program developments going on as we indicated. But we're on, you know that’s our goal to get it back to that range and that past.

Mark Jordan

Analyst

Okay. Could you talk just a little bit your Doug, that you teased with a little bit of detail on the titanium business as far as its contribution structures that moving towards sort the part of the business. Where are you -- where were you at the end of '15? And kind of a snapshot, where are you now in terms of sizing that as the overall piece of the business?

Tony Reardon

Analyst

At the end of '15, I would say that the titanium was approximately 40% of the base, and we have three businesses that actually are working in titanium, forming and super plastic forming. So we get a combination of it. So a lot of the helicopter work, if you remember in 2015, we were still pretty heavy in the helicopter, military helicopter sales were up and there is a lot of titanium products that are around those improvements. As they came down we replaced a lot of that with the new commercial narrow body program. So we are moving toward at 50%, and I would say that as you move into first half of 2018 and as the rates ramp up that should be pretty close to what that number is. Now that we are working at some other new programs on the composite side that could put a dent in that but we are in the right direction there.

Mark Jordan

Analyst

Okay. Final question from me relative to you mentioned some contract delays on military side, are those issues related to delay in approval of 2017 budget, or is this just one of generic DOD moving slowly?

Tony Reardon

Analyst

It's a little bit of both, the budget -- we are still under a CR and hopefully that gets replaced by the budget. So some of it is just moving the contracts over and other is exactly as you said, just slower a little bit.

Mark Jordan

Analyst

Okay. Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And our next question comes from Mike Crawford of B. Riley & Company. Your line is now open.

Mike Crawford

Analyst

Further to the helicopter side of your business, it looks like the house has requested in its appropriation bill a much larger number than the prior administration initially put out for the year, and I think, you said you expected that number to move toward 60 to 65 years for Black Hawks for example, but what's your opinion overall, where that business is headed for Ducommun?

Steve Oswald

Analyst

Well, I think right now Mike, the best thing for us to do is to range in that 65 to 70 ship sets. But I think that, we saw the same data that you saw in terms of the budget, and there is a good possibly that that can go up a little bit. But we are on the wait and see on that, so from a forecasting standpoint we are staying at the 60 to 65.

Mike Crawford

Analyst

Okay thank you. And then you are investment in Parsons in '17 and is that expansion expected to be substantially completed by '17 and then CapEx comes back down a little bit or what do you see?

Doug Groves

Analyst

Yeah, that’s exactly right Mike. The expansion is largely completed as we exit ’17. So the CapEx comes back down to what I’d call our historical range, $15 million or so per year once we exit ’17 and go into ’18.

Tony Reardon

Analyst

We’re expecting that continue to grow, so we will spend the capital where we need it.

Doug Groves

Analyst

As needed, yeah.

Mike Crawford

Analyst

As long as you get a good investment on it [Multiple Speakers] investment. And then final question just touching back on M&A where you said you might have some room to start working again in the second half of ’17, but effect if any are you seeing now your business now given some of the other recent consolidation in your space?

Tony Reardon

Analyst

Mike not, not much so far, I mean obviously there has been some recent activity, but we haven’t seen that has either a positive or a negative. I mean we are pretty well entrenched our customer base and unique solutions that we offer, so it really hasn’t been an impact on us thus far.

Mike Crawford

Analyst

Okay, great. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And there are no other questions in queue. I would now like to turn the call back over to Tony Reardon for any further remarks.

Tony Reardon

Analyst

Thank you, Sonia, and thank you everyone for joining us today and we really appreciate your continued interest and support. And we look forward to speaking to you next quarter. Thank you everybody. Bye now.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for participating in today’s conference. This does conclude today’s program, and you may all disconnect. Everyone have a good day.