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DigitalOcean Holdings, Inc. (DOCN)

Q3 2022 Earnings Call· Mon, Nov 7, 2022

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Operator

Operator

Good afternoon and welcome to the DigitalOcean Third Quarter 2022 Earnings Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Thank you. I will now turn the call over to Rob Bradley, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Rob Bradley

Analyst

Thank you, and welcome, everyone, to DigitalOcean's third quarter 2022 earnings call. Joining me today is Yancey Spruill, our Chief Executive Officer; and Bill Sorenson, our Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin, I want to cover our Safe Harbor statement. During this conference call, we will be making forward-looking statements, including our financial outlook for the third quarter -- fourth quarter and full year as well as statements about goals and business outlook, industry trends, market opportunities, and expectations for future financial performance and similar items. All of these statements are subject to risks, uncertainties, and assumptions. You can review more information about these in the Risk Factors section of our filings with the SEC. We remind everyone that our actual results may differ, and we undertake no obligation to revise or update any forward-looking statements. Finally, we'll be discussing non-GAAP financial measures on our call, and reconciliation between our GAAP and non-GAAP financial results can be found in our earnings press release, which was issued earlier this afternoon and is also in the investor presentation on our IR website. With that, let me turn the call over to our CEO, Yancey Spruill. Yancey?

Yancey Spruill

Analyst

Thank you, Rob and thank you all for joining us as we review our strong third quarter results, another quarter in our ongoing commitment to delivering robust revenue growth and improving profitability and free cash flow. I'm proud of the entire DigitalOcean team for delivering these results given the challenges in the operating environment this year. I'd like to begin today by framing where our business stands in the context of where we've been and how we are set up to durable profitable growth even in these times of uncertainty. I'll then share some insights on our growth and profitability priorities as we close out this year and work our way towards 2023. I'll specifically address the early indicators resulting from our recent pricing initiatives and discuss our exciting Cloudways acquisition, which we closed on September 1st. Bill will then provide more details on the financial results, our financial outlook for Q4, and then turn to your questions. We have a highly resilient business due to several key factors and they've been clearly on display this year. First, we have a truly global geographic footprint with our revenue and customer base spread across 185 countries in similar proportion to global GDP. So, we are not dependent on any one region or country. Second, we have customer diversity with our top 25 customers representing less than 10% of total revenue. So, our revenue is not concentrated in a small number of customers. Third, we serve a wide range of industry verticals and use cases from e-commerce, web and mobile applications, website hosting, media and gaming, publishing, ad tech and many more. So, we aren't overly reliant on any industry or business model. And finally, we also have a consumption-based revenue model, which creates the flexibility for our customers to pay for…

Bill Sorenson

Analyst

Thanks, Yancey, and thanks to all of you for joining us today to review our very solid third quarter results. Before I begin, I would like to review the fundamental elements of our operating strategy, which have not changed since becoming a public company, and we'll continue to guide our efforts for the years ahead. At our core, we focus on three key areas: revenue growth in excess of 30%, faster than the SMB cloud market growth rate, increasing profitability and growing free cash flow for shareholders. Those fundamentals have not changed and will not change as we go forward. Also, we frequently articulated that a variety of levers would be used to achieve those three objectives, including pricing and packaging, evolving our go-to-market strategy from purely self-serve to more direct customer outreach and interaction. And finally, accretive M&A opportunities that either expand and enhance our go-to-market capabilities or accelerate our product innovation. Entering the year with over $1 billion of cash on our balance sheet provided us with real opportunities to execute this strategy. Pulling the right levers and executing well has been critical this year. Over the past few quarters, we've experienced the war in Europe, a global economic slowdown, a strengthening dollar in the collapse of the bitcoin market, all of which have put pressure on our top line. Despite these developments, we have delivered another quarter of better than 30% growth, coupled with improving profitability and cash flow margin. And going forward, we will continue to do the same. Today, I'm going to use my remarks to provide more color on the drivers of our top line revenue performance in the quarter, the gross margin impact from the adoption of the lease accounting standard, ASC 842, which we are required to do by the end of…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from Raimo Lenschow from Barclays. Please go ahead.

Raimo Lenschow

Analyst

Thank you. Congrats, that's really a good quarter in this environment. Yancey, just two quick questions. One is, if you think about the behavior that you're seeing from clients in the macro downturn, you saw at Azure, they were kind of putting less workloads on. They were looking to optimize their cloud spending and because they had committed -- overcommitted. That seems like less of a problem for you. Like what are you seeing there in terms of behavior that's coming out there? And then I had one follow-up.

Yancey Spruill

Analyst

Yes. So what we're seeing and when we engage with customers and the conversations I've had, the feedback from our support to our broader teams that engage with customers is, they're very happy with our service. I think, Bill referenced the survey we did just to check in with customers a few months ago to learn more about contraction. Our comers are simply seeing a weaker operating environment and a number of them express appreciation to us for the fact that we have this consumption-based model, because it allows them to adjust without calling us up and trying to renegotiate, et cetera. So what we're seeing is just a reflection of what they're seeing and not a -- them trying to shift things around, et cetera. So none of us are happy with the world we're living in today for various reasons. But I think, our engagement with our customers and where our customer sentiment, the positive sentiment they've had with us, has continued throughout this year. And frankly, even despite the pricing increase, the number of comments you've had from customers mean to understand they get it. They still see lots of value. And we continue to work with them to help them through this, but we feel very good about the relationship we have and are building with our customers in this environment.

Raimo Lenschow

Analyst

Perfect. Hey, yes, it makes a lot of sense. And then the second question was more on Cloudways. And now that you own the asset, like how do you think about it more in the long run? Because it does offer a much, much deeper relationships. And they're obviously much broader in terms of their offering, like, in that perspective, there's almost like a question like how do you see DigitalOcean in the long run as a vendor in terms of IaaS versus being a much broader provider for the SMB? Have you kind of started thinking about that already?

Yancey Spruill

Analyst

Well, we think a lot about that. And what we've -- the comment in the script was, we are more bullish today than when we signed the contract when we first approached them earlier this year about this combination. I think, we're still learning as we dissect the opportunities between the combined companies. But one thing is pretty clear, there's a ton of synergies in this transaction, both in terms of us better matching customers day one into a managed service. We have a little quantify it here, but we've had a decent amount of churn in our first 60, 90 days for customers who come to DigitalOcean, we got millions of people coming every month. They read tutorials. They'll sign up for an account, and then they leave us in the first 60, 90 days. And a lot of them say, we were hoping for more help, more of a managed experience, we like DigitalOcean, but it's just not for us. And obviously, we've closed that gap here. Similarly, from their side, and we've already seen, it's early, so we won't give a lot of stats. Hopefully on the next call, we'll give more. But there's such an opportunity, I think, to give the market a more integrated view and that's why we're planning to integrate much more in terms of our go-to-market. There's just a lot of opportunity here. And as it relates to what DigitalOcean represents versus the broader IaaS market, we'll sort through that. But it's really about giving customers. And what we're learning is a lot of SMBs don't want to manage infrastructure. They love the cloud, because of the pricing and flexibility, but they actually just don't -- they don't have to desire. And that's not how we were operating free the deal. And I think, when you start to think about 2x the price uplift for someone using a $6 droplet on Cloudways versus what they pay us because of the more managed experience, there's been a lot of upside opportunity for us when you look at our broader customer cohort.

Raimo Lenschow

Analyst

Yes, sounds exciting. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Gabriela Borges from Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Gabriela Borges

Analyst

Hi, good afternoon. Thanks for taking my question. I'd like to ask Yancey on the storage functionality that you talked about in the prepared remarks. When you think about your customers and what they're looking for, in order to get that storage revenue doubling essentially as a percentage of sales, what do you think needs to be better from a DigitalOcean standpoint in terms of functionality?

Yancey Spruill

Analyst

I think when we look at the breadth of our customers and there truly is a cutover when somebody sold 50,000 and then they get to 200,000, 300,000, 1,000 100,000, there's a pretty broad diversity. And so what we'll be looking to add capability is to support the growth and scale of larger customers whose use of object are blocked, depending upon the industry type and the use case in terms of more speed of performance, other features, et cetera. We have a very clear road map on this. Frankly, Cloudways -- Cloudways, having them in the mix, is very clarified, given they serve the SMB market and will help us with product road map. But we have a very clear area. We've been investing in this area. I haven't been talking about it much over the last, call it, six quarters or so and have been improving and adding to the capabilities, but we're going to look to really focus our efforts in the near-term in this area because of the unlock is so substantial when you look at the multiproduct adoption and also just -- doubling the revenue as a proportion of mix. So it's really features, functionality and performance to span a broader array of customers than what the capability is today.

Gabriela Borges

Analyst

That's helpful. And as a follow-up, if I may. On the e-commerce vertical, in particular, we've seen trends that are a little bit different during COVID, where end market participants talk about e-commerce normalizing back to trend line. Curious when you look at the Cloudways business and then your broader set of e-commerce customers, how would you describe the trend there? Is it still deteriorating? Do you feel like it's stable? Is there a path or maybe it accelerates time, a little bit on the e-commerce vertical specifically? Thank you.

Yancey Spruill

Analyst

Well, given the high leverage to work press at Cloudways, it's a good proxy, good question. What I would say, we've seen with Cloudways throughout this year is they have been impacted, but not to the same degree that we have in terms of their growth rate, is lower than what they would have expected and coming into this year. I don't know that there's anyone in the world, if that's not the case. But they're much closer, meaningfully closer to their plan than coming into the year than today than what they would have expected versus us. So I do think it points to some of the trends you're seeing in other areas of e-commerce very resilient as it relates to -- and their new customer adds also very strong as well. So I think that aspect, again, in an environment where you have to devote resources to do it to yourself, even though you may have a higher uplift there, given the fact that you don't have -- you can devote your other resources to your core activities, we're learning more and more about that being a value. So I think that sort of speaks to the question.

Gabriela Borges

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Pinjalim Bora from JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

Pinjalim Bora

Analyst

Great. Hey. Thanks for taking question. I want to continue with Cloudways, I guess. I want to ask you if -- what are you hearing from customers who are using a competitive solution in terms of the likelihood of moving over? Are you having those discussions? And are you -- what are you thinking in terms of pricing, I guess, on Cloudways versus the increase that you did for DigitalOcean?

Yancey Spruill

Analyst

Well, Cloudways as a managed hoster uses other providers. We haven't seen any change in the conversations or customers want to switch one to another. We haven't adjusted prices since our announcement on Cloudways. And we'll continue to evaluate opportunities there. We're really focused now on how do we direct customers who come into our funnel, give them an option minute one in terms of whether they want to have a more do-it-yourself, legacy DO versus the Cloudways, but haven't seen any change in traction, any change in the conversation. Customers with us, there's been no real change even during the course of this year on us versus someone else in the pricing or other issues. I think the conversations with our customers are very healthy around how do we help them manage through this environment in terms of best practices, other areas that we can help them operate better. But as I mentioned earlier, and this is really important, given some of the uncertainty, our churn levels remain consistent throughout this year and frankly, where they've been since early last year. And I think that's very comforting, because when things do turn they are here, in the consumption pricing model, although it's a headwind in the near-term will be a tailwind as they resume growth.

Pinjalim Bora

Analyst

Yep. Understood. One question for Bill. On the ARR, the sequential growth of $97 million, I think you gave us an idea of Cloudways, which was about $4 million. We can try to annualize and look at an ARR number, I guess. You gave us a little bit of an idea about the pricing of 13 million. I want to ask you what -- how should we think about the headwinds on that ARR number, that $97 million sequentially? How should we think about headwinds?

Bill Sorenson

Analyst

Well, the $97 million is being accelerated by the contribution of Cloudways, but it still was a massive quarter for us in terms of ARR pick up quarter-over-quarter. So the combination of Cloudways into that number along with the benefit of the additions from the price increase gave us a pretty strong uplift. Going forward, the headwind calculation, Pinjalim, anyone's guess at this point, I mean, we certainly are mindful and watching every month in terms of what we're seeing. I don't think we're necessarily out of the woods. We still are encouraged by the uptake that we're getting, particularly in the bigger customers. What we're seeing there is our greater than 50 and even our greater than 250 customers are still showing resilience. But it's hard to basically estimate what we think the impact would be going forward. I still think we -- I'm not still think we are still addressing 30% plus growth. We have a number of levers to get there. And we hope that the economic headwinds will turn to tailwinds that will give us further acceleration relative to the seeds we planted in terms of Cloudways with its managed service providing and also what we're doing here in terms of the customer enablement and our go-to-market initiatives through sales. So, we continue to be cautious, which I think, if you followed us over the past three quarters, that's been the tone of our calls. So we'll have to see what happens. But the multiple levers gives us confidence to still point towards 30% plus growth.

Pinjalim Bora

Analyst

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from James Breen from William Blair. Please go ahead.

James Breen

Analyst

Thanks for taking the question. Can you talk a little bit about the impacts that the price increases have had? And did it -- did it mainly come within this quarter, or is there a sort of a tail to that as we move over the next couple of quarters? And then secondly, just on the cost side. I understand the margins will tick down in the fourth quarter. How do you sort of see that moving from there? Will it stay sort of at this lower level for a while, or do you see a rapid improvement? Thanks.

Bill Sorenson

Analyst

No, we're continuing to basically focus on expense improvements. One of the things Yancey said at our year-end results, we may not be able to control revenue in this environment, but we certainly can control spend. And the trajectory we see going forward will be increasing profitability next year and improving cash flow. We're still on target for 2024, targeting 20% free cash flow, as we move forward. So, expenses will be the key part here that we can continue to control. And we do see room for upside in greater efficiency, particularly as we target our initiatives against the bigger customers and we're able to monitor payback. So, if we're not getting paid back, we certainly can pivot as needed. And Jim, I'm sorry, the first part of the question was revenue related?

James Breen

Analyst

Yes, just on the price increases that you put in place in July. Is there a long tail to that, all the customers immediately go to the higher price point, or are there some that are gradually moving to the higher price points over a couple of quarters?

Bill Sorenson

Analyst

Well, not over a couple of quarters, we did provide discounts to some of our larger customers, which are basically starting to mature during this quarter, but we do anticipate that the -- that pricing will continue to impact the next two or three quarters, before we get to the anniversary of the price increase. We do think that will be an important accelerate relative to our growth and help offset the impact of the economic headwinds.

James Breen

Analyst

Great. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Tim Horan from Op. Co. Please go ahead.

Tim Horan

Analyst

Thanks, guys. Just two questions. Do you think the free cash flow improvement from 10% to 20%, is that relatively linear? I guess, should we be expecting like 15% next year, or is it more back-end loaded? And then secondly, on the price increases by your peers, were they -- was it both hyperscalers, as well as smaller providers like yourself, or is it weighted more towards the other end, was the magnitude or you think the magnitude that you're seeing now in line with what you did? Thank you.

Yancey Spruill

Analyst

Yes. So, on the last question, all the hyperscalers have raised pricing this year. I was not referring to them. I was referring to folks who are competing in the SMB segment of the cloud. And I would say their pricing magnitudes were similar and again, were announced after us, after our May announcement. So, I think the competitive positioning in the market is neutral deposit, which is also going to be a tailwind as the market flips in terms of the uncertainty. As for free cash flow, whether it's linear or not, you're going to see significant leverage next year from this year's full year result. And we're going to get to 20% or better in 2024, which is only 14 months away. And so we can control a lot of that. And we've taken up expectations this year despite massive headwinds in terms of top line. And if you think about three years ago being negative 25% free cash flow margin, and we flipped that 3,500 basis points in less than 36 months. And so rest assured, we will be hitting 20% or better in free cash flow when the calendar flips for 2024.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Pat Walravens from JMP Securities. Please go ahead.

Pat Walravens

Analyst

Great. Thank you. Congratulations you guys on the way you're managing this business. Hey, Bill, can we talk a little bit about the convert? So it comes due at the end of 2026. It's $1.5 billion. Conversion price is $1.79. Are you just going to generate enough cash to close the gap? Would you refinance it? How do you think about it?

Bill Sorenson

Analyst

Well, I think we have a number of opportunities, Pat, in terms of where we see ourselves being out there. What we've talked about is $1 billion by 2024. We certainly look to continue that trend from there at that 30% type of growth rate and a continued improvement in overall margin, which – the mantra for us is free cash flow improvement. Yancey is challenging us to 20% plus as we move forward. That's not a number we're putting out officially anywhere, because we have work to do there. But when you look out two to three years from here on our trajectory, and relative to the financial model, we think we're going to be imminently refinanceable. If not, also paying down portions confer or – potentially looking at repurchasing portions of those notes over time as things become more clear from a macro perspective. So when we got here, we were faced with limited capital availability. We managed to increase bank loans fortuitously. We're able to manage our way through that and then reduce that debt. We've used the public markets for both equity and debt. So we think we'll have a lot of levers relative to our business two to three years from now. And if you look at the majority of these converts, most of them are basically addressed 18 months to 24 months before maturity. So we'll keep looking at our options, but we feel very comfortable that we'll have a number of them over the next several years.

Pat Walravens

Analyst

That's great. Thank you. And then Yancey, can I ask you – it seems like in software, where a lot of the acquisitions fell apart during the pandemic was just turns out you can't really retain talent over Zoom. What are you doing to make sure that you keep the Cloudways team?

Yancey Spruill

Analyst

Well, frankly, our attrition – employee attrition has come down since the pandemic. So we've leaned into remote terms of engaging with our team. So our employee attrition is actually lower. I'm pleased that, in the first few months since the announcement Cloudways, their retention has been very strong. And we're highly engaged with them. They have critical roles in driving our business. There's a lot – as I mentioned earlier, there's a lot of synergies here, which gives -- and from both sides. And so there's a lot of collaboration, a lot of engagement. We have folks on the ground visiting with them. And so this isn't a -- we want something that's in the back corner acquisition. This is -- we're focused on deeply integrating the two companies. We also share a similar vision, if not an exact similar vision for the SMB opportunity. We share a vision for the heart of the value proposition around serving SMBs and simplicity. And so like I said, we're very bullish. And we're taking a very tight pulse to make sure we're doing a good job integrating, taking feedback and adjusting where we need to. So, obviously, we're buying an acquisition in this industry as you suggested, is about the people and we're prioritizing in accordance with that.

Pat Walravens

Analyst

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from James Fish from Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.

James Fish

Analyst

Hi, guys. I wanted to go back to actually Gabriel's question more on the go-to-marketing side rather than the product. At what point does it actually start to make sense to bundle more of the compute and storage products together rather than try to sell them individually? And is it possible that you guys could give us an update on the NRR for just large -- the greater than $50 a month cohort, I think it was 1.13% last quarter?

Yancey Spruill

Analyst

I'll address the first question, and then Bill can address the second one. I mentioned one of the levers that we will pull going forward versus what we've done really in the first couple of years here. We're not done on pricing and packaging. And we're going to learn -- we are learning a ton about customer behavior and response to the pricing changes we made a few months ago. And we're going to take those learnings plus other things that we're looking at. But the concept of packaging, I think, all too often in the tech world, I think of product management is just technology products. Reality is there's four pieces of that in product, packaging is a critical aspect of that. So we see a lot of opportunity. And so I wouldn't -- I want to make sure people don't look at the actions we took earlier this year as a one-off. There's more opportunity. And frankly, our customers would prefer, I think, for us to simplify the options for them and offer them packages versus having them pick. And that sort of speaks to this bifurcation as customers grow as the running businesses an aspect of simplicity will be pricing and packaging. And so we see opportunities. So more on that to come, but the premise of your question is absolutely, we see opportunity there.

Bill Sorenson

Analyst

On the MDR greater than 50% -- $50, we've seen a nice pop back up as we expected we would as a result of the pricing improvements and we're continuing to see that group hold in there. It's interesting to us that as you move up the spectrum to higher dollar value customers, we are seeing better MDRs. We're seeing faster growth rate. And this speaks to, we believe, the opportunity for the bigger customers who present a foundational opportunity for us to accelerate growth from here once we get a little bit of benefit on the tailwinds or the headwinds rather, but it also speaks to the stickiness of the product. We're being used for a lot of these businesses to drive the foundations of their businesses and what they do regardless of whether they're SaaS providers or digital agencies or mom-and-pop retail shops. So, we're encouraged by what we're seeing there in terms of them holding up and part of our go-to-market initiatives are all around driving the MDR that group even higher. Yancy mentioned earlier that when we see our teams interacting with our customers, we're looking at ARPUs that are multiples of where we are today. They're accelerating the growth of those cohorts. So, we think that's the opportunity to be interacting more with these customers. And again, not to beat the same drum, but cloud was and how they interact with their customers provides a lot of learning for us, so a lot of opportunity for us across the board. Self-serve has been tremendous for us. But when you get over $500 million, you've got to start looking at other ways to drive revenue growth, if you want to rehandle on it, and that's what we're doing.

James Fish

Analyst

Thanks, guys.

Operator

Operator

And your last question for today comes from the line of Wamsi Mohan from Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Wamsi Mohan

Analyst

Yes, thank you. Sorry, I was jumping between calls, so I apologize if you already answered this. But can you talk about, what you saw in terms of linearity of demand in the quarter? And any difference, that you can maybe highlight across the various cohorts of spending and perhaps touch on, how that trajectory might have changed or not in October versus the prior few months? And I have a follow-up.

Yancey Spruill

Analyst

Obviously, we did -- prices went up in July 1. And so, I would say, as we saw some noise in July and August tied to that, September started to normalize as did October. So, we feel pretty good about the trajectory we have coming into Q4.

Wamsi Mohan

Analyst

Okay. Thanks for that. And just to clarify, I'm not sure if you quantified. What is the impact of Cloudways in your at least 30% guide in fiscal '23? And Bill, if you could just maybe also address, what is the impact from energy costs on your gross margin that you anticipate looking into 2023? Thank you, so much.

Bill Sorenson

Analyst

So, the second one, Wamsi, stay tuned. We'll come back quantifying that. We do have a range. We have factored that in, which is how we're driving our assumptions around 65% growth in terms of where we're going. We think that, that's something that we're going to have to manage through. A lot of people are going to be impacted by that, but we think that's going to be something that we can manage and is part of our overall efficiency. The first part of your question was.

Wamsi Mohan

Analyst

Cloudways, next year.

Bill Sorenson

Analyst

Cloudways, next year. So, this year, we've talked to around $15 million to $16 million of contribution for Cloudways. Cloudways CAGR over the past few years has been in the 40% to 50% range, been growing very, very quickly. Obviously, it's off a smaller base. But again, the management team there are dialogues with them. They understand their end markets very, very well. They understand the verticals that they're selling into them. They understand how they're managing -- they're offering the levers against the requirements for those verticals. So we hope with those learnings, they can help accelerate our growth as well, but they have been growing very, very nicely over the past few years. They certainly are feeling a bit of the headwinds that everyone is feeling, but they're continuing to power through those. And as we get into next year, we'll be really talking about all of this in a consolidated way, but we're very, very optimistic and bullish about what they can bring to not only rapidly increasing their base, but helping us monetize our 600,000 customers even more.

Wamsi Mohan

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

This is all the time that we have for today. I will turn the call back over to the presenters for closing remarks.

Yancey Spruill

Analyst

Just want to thank everybody for joining us today. We're grateful for your support, especially in these tough times. Our goal is to be as transparent and communicative with you as we can. We look forward to speaking with you in the coming days, the weeks, the months and, of course, the years ahead. Have a great evening.

Operator

Operator

This concludes today's conference call. You may now disconnect.