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Encore Capital Group, Inc. (ECPG)

Q4 2012 Earnings Call· Wed, Feb 13, 2013

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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Encore Capital Group Announces Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2012 Financial Results Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Adam Sragovicz. You may begin.

Adam Sragovicz

Analyst

Thank you, Latoya. Good afternoon, and welcome to Encore Capital Group's fourth quarter and full year 2012 earnings call. With me on the call today are Brandon Black, our President and Chief Executive Officer; and Paul Grinberg, our Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Brandon and Paul will make prepared remarks, and then we will be happy to take your questions. Before we begin, we have a few housekeeping items. Unless otherwise noted, all comparisons made on this conference call will be between the full year of 2012 and the full year of 2011. Throughout the call, we will use forward-looking statements including predictions, expectations, estimates or other information that might be considered forward-looking. While these forward-looking statements represent our current judgment, these statements are also subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from statements being made today. As a result, we caution you against placing undue reliance on these forward-looking statements, which speak only as of the date they are made. We will also use rounding and abbreviations in our conference call for the sake of brevity. For more detailed numbers and explanations, please refer to our Form 10-K that was filed today with the SEC. We will also be referencing both GAAP and non-GAAP financial results. We believe certain non-GAAP financial measures provide useful information about our business. However, the presentation of this additional information should not be considered an alternative to, or more meaningful than, our results prepared in accordance with GAAP. Management utilizes adjusted EBITDA, which is similar to a financial measure contained in covenants used in our credit agreement in the evaluation of our operations and believes this measure is a useful indicator of our ability to generate cash collections in excess of operating expenses through the liquidation of our receivable portfolios. We included information concerning adjusted operating expenses, excluding stock-based compensation expense, in order to facilitate a comparison of approximate cash costs to cash collections for the debt purchasing business in the periods presented. Once again, please be sure to see our Forms 10-K, 10-Q and other SEC filings, including a press release issued as an exhibit to our current report on Form 8-K filed today, which includes a reconciliation of non-GAAP financial measures for a more complete discussion of these factors and other risks. As a reminder, this conference call will also be made available for replay on the Investors section of our website, and we also plan to post the prepared remarks following the conclusion of this call. With that, let me turn the call over to Brandon Black, our President and Chief Executive Officer.

J. Brandon Black

Analyst · JMP Securities

Thank you, Adam, and good afternoon, everyone. I appreciate you joining us for a discussion of Encore's fourth quarter and full year 2012 results. I'm pleased to report that 2012 was an exceptional year for Encore. We delivered strong financial results while making investments that we believe will strengthen our core business, provide long-term strategic advantages and position our company to succeed in an increasingly complex regulatory environment. Our strategies and deliberate and disciplined approach to portfolio underwriting and management again drove record earnings, record collections and record operating cash flow for both the fourth quarter and the full year. Of course, none of this would be possible without our more than 2,800 employees. I appreciate their daily commitment to our company and their willingness to help our consumers resolve their past financial obligations. To put our performance in a context, I'd like to take a step back and look at our progress over the past 3 years. In 2009, we recorded collections of $490 million. This year, we collected $950 million, nearly double the amount from just 3 years ago. We delivered these strong results, thanks to the deep insights we've developed into consumer behavior over the past decade. We are seeing similar results in our cost-to-collect. In 2009, our cost-to-collect was 47.6%. In 2012, our cost-to-collect was 40.4%, a decrease of 720 basis points. This meaningful reduction in cost-to-collect translates into a savings of almost $70 million or $1.60 in earnings for 2012 alone. These savings have been achieved through various operational strategies, including stopping collection efforts on accounts where we believe the consumer has unlimited ability to pay. The lower cost-to-collect has allowed us to develop our internal legal initiative, expand our operating site in Costa Rica and make the investments required to manage the changing regulatory…

Paul J. Grinberg

Analyst · Sidoti & Company

Thank you, Brandon. As Brandon discussed, we had a very strong fourth quarter and year in 2012. Collections in the fourth quarter reached a record high for our fourth quarter and continued investments in our operating platform give us confidence in our ability to expand upon the operating leverage created over the past few years. We generated earnings from continuing operations of $0.79 per fully diluted share during the quarter, an increase of 17% over the fourth quarter of 2011. For 2012, we generated earnings from continuing operations of $3.04 per fully diluted share, an increase of 29% over 2011. Adjusted EBITDA, which represents the cash we generate that is available for future purchases, capital expenditures, debt service and taxes, was $135 million in the fourth quarter, an increase of 28% compared to the fourth quarter of 2011. Our overall cost-to-collect for the year decreased 180 basis points to 40.4%, down significantly from 42.2% in 2011. We achieved these results in 2012 even as we made investments to expand our internal legal channel and ramp up our operations center in Costa Rica. While cost-to-collect is an important metric, there are other related drivers of our success. One example is generating the greatest net return per dollar invested. We accomplished that by generating more gross dollars collected per investment dollar at what we believe to be the lowest cost per dollar collected in the industry. Over time, we expect our cost-to-collect to continually improve, but also expect it to fluctuate from quarter-to-quarter based on seasonality, the cost of investments in new operating initiatives and the ongoing management of the changing regulatory and legislative environment. Due primarily to the large purchasing volume and the strong performance of portfolios purchased over the last couple of years, our estimated remaining collections, or ERC, at…

J. Brandon Black

Analyst · JMP Securities

Looking back at 2012, it's clear that our team has a lot to be proud of. We posted strong financial and operational results, made key investments designed to drive performance in the coming years and funded initiatives that should help our consumers get back on the path towards financial freedom. Our strength in analytics and disciplined approach to deploying capital continue to be competitive advantages for the company, advantages that are increasingly important during a time of industry consolidation and elevated pricing. Finally, our strong capital foundation and creative, responsible approach to problem solving positions us well for 2013 and beyond. We would like to close by once again thanking Encore's employees worldwide for their continued commitment to our success. I'm gratified by the work that we do to help consumers resolve their outstanding debts flexibly and affordably. With that, we'll open up the call to questions.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] The first question is from David Scharf from JMP Securities.

David M. Scharf - JMP Securities LLC, Research Division

Analyst · JMP Securities

Brandon, first off, just a general kind of macro question, can you provide any commentary whether or not now that we're sort of 6 weeks into the new year, whether you're noticing any improvements in the overall liquidation environment for consumers and in particular, whether these first few weeks you've been able to discern whether the payroll tax increases had any impact on collections?

J. Brandon Black

Analyst · JMP Securities

Dave, we've often say that we don't think that our collectors are impacted all that much by the macro economy. If you go back to the data we've presented for the last few years, payment behavior has been largely consistent. So I haven't taken a look at it specifically in the first 6 weeks, but I can tell you that there's unlikely to be any material shift in collections related to seasonality or anything else that would impact our consumers. We're seeing performance in line with our expectations.

David M. Scharf - JMP Securities LLC, Research Division

Analyst · JMP Securities

Got it. Shifting to sort of purchasing in the quarter, how should we think about the Chapter 13 paper? I mean is this a kind of a one-off unique opportunity? Or is this an asset class you feel you have a lot more capacity down the road to service?

J. Brandon Black

Analyst · JMP Securities

Well I think it's both. It's an asset class that we've talked about for the last few years and we've often said that we wouldn't invest in it unless we found the right opportunity, and we think looking at performing pools is a better investment than when you're buying them or just being filed. So we had a very large portfolio of bankruptcy that we manage for our own account and we bought a meaningful amount over the last few years. We think it's an asset class. You'll see some more buying this year, but this particular deal is an opportunistic one, and one that we expect to see in companies like the one we worked with, where people struggle with the financing and the liquidation environment in companies like Encore to take advantage of it.

David M. Scharf - JMP Securities LLC, Research Division

Analyst · JMP Securities

Okay. And did I hear you say these are primarily performing BKs?

J. Brandon Black

Analyst · JMP Securities

They are.

David M. Scharf - JMP Securities LLC, Research Division

Analyst · JMP Securities

Okay. And does the expectation of yield, did that color any of the change in kind of the monthly IRR at the end of the year? It looked like it was down on the 2012 vintages from what we saw at the end of September?

J. Brandon Black

Analyst · JMP Securities

I think what you continue to see is as we put new portfolio on, we continue to be conservative and you likely just saw that impact.

David M. Scharf - JMP Securities LLC, Research Division

Analyst · JMP Securities

Got it. And just one last question and then I'll get back in queue. You put a lot of capital to use obviously in the quarter so that one of your obviously other public competitor, your commentary on elevated pricing seem to be as cautious as it was on the Q3 call. Can you just give us a little backdrop on whether anything on the supply landscape has changed in the new year in terms of either more players consolidating and liquidating or whether any sellers have reentered the market?

J. Brandon Black

Analyst · JMP Securities

So on the supply front, we see continued series of discussions with other competitors, generally, the small or midsized competitors who are struggling, and that's continued now for a while. Your commentary is really around the auction environment directly from the issuer, which the issuers which is very competitive especially probably highest in the fresh space. But it will cost all the different stage of delinquency we're seeing increased pricing. We haven't seen much change in or out of supply, as it relates to the issuers. We just think that there are at times people who are overspending themselves to some extent and likely will find themselves in trouble at some point in the future.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from Hugh Miller of Sidoti & Company. Hugh M. Miller - Sidoti & Company, LLC: I had, I guess, a question about the tax return season. I mean I realized that it's starting a little later than normal this year and that's a significant source of your cash collections in the quarter. Do you guys anticipate that's going to have any meaningful influence in 1Q collections? Or is it likely to kind of be caught back up throughout the rest -- the remainder of the quarter?

J. Brandon Black

Analyst · Sidoti & Company

We're not expecting to see a material difference as a result of the delay. Hugh M. Miller - Sidoti & Company, LLC: Okay. And I guess, looking at the regulatory environment, given the recent ruling about recess appointments. Can you just talk about the regulatory landscape and how you think that influences kind of things with the CFPB and your competitors and whether or not they're going to still continue to look to exit the business?

J. Brandon Black

Analyst · Sidoti & Company

Well, we have -- for the past few years, we continue to expect the CFPB to make their way around the collection industry in 2013. It's my belief nothing has changed in that respect. And so that presence will be there. We think that will -- others will look to that presence and it will be one of the factors they will use to make a decision to be in the business. I think the driving force, besides the regulatory environment, is just the ability to get attractively priced capital and then collect at a rate you need to be profitable with a lower operating cost. And the regulatory environment is sort of maybe the straw that breaks the camel's back. But ultimately, these companies that are in the space are struggling financially and that's the bigger issue. Hugh M. Miller - Sidoti & Company, LLC: Okay. Thanks for the color there. Was just looking also at the legal channel cost-to-collect. It looked like it trended up in the second half of the year, relative to the first and I was wondering if you could provide any insight as to what might be driving that now? How should we be thinking about that as we head into 2013?

J. Brandon Black

Analyst · Sidoti & Company

So the overall cost-to-collect in the legal channel here is going to be dependent on the volume of cases that are filed at any given period, and that can fluctuate from quarter-to-quarter. So the variable cost associated with the legal channel has been consistent throughout the year. But depending upon the timing and volume of accounts placed in that channel, it can shift from quarter-to-quarter. So it's really just a quarterly timing thing. It doesn't change the overall cost-to-collect of that business. Hugh M. Miller - Sidoti & Company, LLC: Got you, okay. And can you remind us again about when the tax lien list should be coming out for the Propel business, Texas?

Paul J. Grinberg

Analyst · Sidoti & Company

So the county started producing them as we speak. Between now and the end of February, we should receive all the county's delinquent tax rolls. Hugh M. Miller - Sidoti & Company, LLC: Okay. And are you getting any insight right now as to how things are looking relative to your expectations when you acquired the business from a capital allocation standpoint?

J. Brandon Black

Analyst · Sidoti & Company

Sitting here today, we think while we thought we bought is exactly what's going to happen this year. 2013 was always going to be the year where our innovations and partnerships would drive results and we think we're very well positioned to get that done. That obviously remains to be seen, but there's nothing to suggest. We won't have a big first half of the year.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from Mark Hughes of SunTrust.

Mark D. Hughes - SunTrust Robinson Humphrey, Inc., Research Division

Analyst · SunTrust

Brandon, what do you think of that SEC report? You mentioned it in your prepared remarks, but any further thoughts about that whether you thought it was good, bad? What do you think?

J. Brandon Black

Analyst · SunTrust

I felt like it was balanced. For once, we got a report that I think looked at the totality of the industry and it took obviously a long time to draw some conclusions. But I think it highlights that, back in 2008, they gathered some data that suggests that there are changes that needed to be made in the industry and, quite frankly, I think a lot of them have the contracts that are signed today. The access to documentation are really night and day from almost 2008 until today. Does that mean the industry can't get better? No. Of course, we can get better. But I think on balance, it felt like a fair representation of the industry and as I said in the remarks, I think the acknowledgment that we play a vital part in the credit cycle is an important piece of that.

Mark D. Hughes - SunTrust Robinson Humphrey, Inc., Research Division

Analyst · SunTrust

What do you think of their point about too many people being targeted erroneously? Did you think their numbers were on the mark?

J. Brandon Black

Analyst · SunTrust

The problem is we can't see all the data. What I can tell you is that does not happen here. There are very few instances where we end up contacting the wrong person. The banks have gotten really good at working through issues of identity theft or issues of mistaken identity and rarely do we get information where we're not actually contacting the person who owes the debt.

Mark D. Hughes - SunTrust Robinson Humphrey, Inc., Research Division

Analyst · SunTrust

How about on the tax lien business, any new legislative initiatives that are worth talking about?

J. Brandon Black

Analyst · SunTrust

There's a lot going on, but none that I would bring up at this point.

Mark D. Hughes - SunTrust Robinson Humphrey, Inc., Research Division

Analyst · SunTrust

And then the trend in pricing if we look between 3Q and 4Q, you say pricing continues to be elevated. Did it move up during 4Q?

J. Brandon Black

Analyst · SunTrust

It did.

Mark D. Hughes - SunTrust Robinson Humphrey, Inc., Research Division

Analyst · SunTrust

And would you like to characterize, throw an adjective with that?

J. Brandon Black

Analyst · SunTrust

Probably, the adjective is it didn't spike up, but it continues to trend up. Those -- I'd use that word. You would see the drifting upward continues to happen, but there wasn't some step function change.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from Sameer Gokhale of Janney Cap.

Sameer Gokhale

Analyst · Janney Cap

I guess, the first question was in terms of Propel. I think last quarter, you'd said it was $1.4 million of net income. I haven't dug through the 10-K, but just from what I could see, it seemed like it was below that. Am I looking at the right numbers in terms of the comparisons? Like what was the comparable number to the $1.4 million from Q3? What was that in Q4?

J. Brandon Black

Analyst · Janney Cap

So in Q3, it contributed about $0.06. In Q4, it contributed about $0.05. And that's typical just seasonality of the business. The portfolio grows early on in the year and then reduces later in the year with payments, with principal payments. So that's just part of the typical seasonality of the business.

Sameer Gokhale

Analyst · Janney Cap

Okay, okay. I just want to make sure I was looking at the right stuff, okay. And then in terms of the other operating expenses, I don't know if you addressed this. Maybe I missed it, but the sequential decline in other OpEx, what was that attributable to, also seasonality or is there something else going on there like going from $14.8 million to $10.1 million?

J. Brandon Black

Analyst · Janney Cap

A lot of that has to do with the -- what's purchased in the quarter. In other operating expenses are things like mail campaigns and those types of costs. So depending upon where we are at different points in time during the year, it will have an impact on that level, the level of operating expenses in any quarter. So that's what's largely driving it. So impact of volumes of purchases and what we're doing in one period versus another.

Sameer Gokhale

Analyst · Janney Cap

Okay. And then in the fourth quarter, did you say your total purchases, like what percentage of that was made up of BK purchases?

J. Brandon Black

Analyst · Janney Cap

So in the fourth quarter, $83.5 million was BK.

Sameer Gokhale

Analyst · Janney Cap

Was bankruptcy, okay. Terrific, that's helpful. And then I guess this -- the other question was we've been expecting this consolidation to happen in the industry and that's kind of our thesis as well, but the companies that are selling their portfolios like there's a one in Q2. But as you talked to other folks who also selling you portfolios as you're hearing about things, are these companies that are just shutting up shop and moving onto some other business? Or are they just temporarily waiting for the pricing environment to improve and then at some point, if prices come down, then they step back in? How do you characterize that from the standpoint of a competitive environment?

J. Brandon Black

Analyst · Janney Cap

I guess some of that's unknown. I think our belief is the wind-down is permanent. But it doesn't mean if pricing changes, you won't come back in. But we're not expecting them to come back in, in the near term.

Sameer Gokhale

Analyst · Janney Cap

Okay, with the guys that have sold you their portfolios or maybe others you've heard about, are those the specific instances where the companies have just shut down completely? Or are those instances where people have just temporarily just sold the portfolio and got the cash and then will revisit maybe at some point?

J. Brandon Black

Analyst · Janney Cap

Probably, a little bit of both.

Sameer Gokhale

Analyst · Janney Cap

Okay, okay. And then just my last question, the convertible bonds. Paul, can you just remind us, you talked a little bit about the noncash impact on the earnings in the presentation that you'll provide going forward in the revised format? But the -- was -- so the debt is accounted for at a discount to par, is that right? Now the accretion occurs, that accretion is the additional interest expense that partially that close to the income statement? Is that the way to think about it?

Paul J. Grinberg

Analyst · Janney Cap

That's exactly right.

Sameer Gokhale

Analyst · Janney Cap

Okay. And how much was the discount on your balance sheet on the debt?

Paul J. Grinberg

Analyst · Janney Cap

It's about $14 million or so. There is a presentation that we filed today which walks through all of the mechanics and shows the discount and how the discount was calculated and how the accretion will work by year over time. So all the numbers that you and others will need for your modeling, we put out in the presentation today.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from Bob Napoli of William Blair. Robert P. Napoli - William Blair & Company L.L.C., Research Division: Just a question first of all on the productivity and outlook for productivity improvement. You guys have obviously been able to drive down your cost pretty substantially over the past few years, and how much left is there? I mean are we -- is it getting much more difficult to get further reductions or improvements, I mean, out of India? And you guys have done a great job there with that as are you seeing incrementally is it -- are you most of the way through those improvements that you're -- the cost reductions? Or is there still a lot more to get?

J. Brandon Black

Analyst · William Blair

There's still a lot more to get. Part of the improvement that happened in 2012 were offset by investments we made there. We actually had further reduction in operating cost-to-collect, but that was offset by both management and regulatory environment, both legal expenses and settlements. But then also the investment in internal legal at Costa Rica and building up our compliance infrastructure in anticipation of the CFPB. So in our cost-to-collect, you've got a lot of new dollars coming in and a lot of savings. That's a net to a decrease. All that said, I wouldn't expect it to be a huge change our cost-to-collect in the next year. So I think you'll see the same trend, more collections at a lower cost, but offset by investments we need to make to put in place everything we think needs to be in place in the new regulatory environment. Robert P. Napoli - William Blair & Company L.L.C., Research Division: Have you -- has the CFPB, and I apologize if you said this. I missed some of your opening comments. With this, do you have your audit schedule with the CFPB?

J. Brandon Black

Analyst · William Blair

If we did, I'm not sure I could tell you. But what I would say is we expect that they're going to show up at some point this year. Robert P. Napoli - William Blair & Company L.L.C., Research Division: Okay. All right. And then as far as the competitive environment and the gradually higher pricing, are you seeing -- have you seen a reduction in the number of sellers or much of a reduction in the number -- I'm sorry, in the number of competitors, buyers?

J. Brandon Black

Analyst · William Blair

What we've seen is some of the sellers have proactively quote their list of people they would sell to. So there may be people out there who still have capital who don't have access to buy portfolio. We've seen a huge increase in the number of audits we've had to go through as a company. The banks have taken very seriously the third-party oversight mandate by the CFPB and are going out visiting all the people that they want to do business with. And so whether the change that we see is we see the sellers restricting the universe of people that they will sell to. Robert P. Napoli - William Blair & Company L.L.C., Research Division: Okay. But you haven't seen -- I mean, I guess there's been a little bit of -- you bought the portfolio, the bankruptcy portfolio you bought, was that essentially a competitor getting out of the business?

J. Brandon Black

Analyst · William Blair

It was the inventory of a competitor. That's correct. Robert P. Napoli - William Blair & Company L.L.C., Research Division: Okay. I mean so the -- and you also bought a competitor earlier in the year.

J. Brandon Black

Analyst · William Blair

Yes. So we think net-net demand is retreating to some extent, but at the same time, you've got companies like ours and PRA that are expanding their access to credit. So I don't -- I know net-net if the demand is down. I just think the number of people that sellers will sell to is decreasing. Robert P. Napoli - William Blair & Company L.L.C., Research Division: How about the number of sellers? I guess I think some big sellers made, I guess -- it's been suggested that some big sellers have not come back into the market, I'm not -- after pulling back in the third quarter. Is that true? Or are you seeing -- have you seen pretty much the main sellers come back into the market?

J. Brandon Black

Analyst · William Blair

We checked, over the last couple of years, there have been -- there've always been times that one of the big sellers wasn't selling for whatever reason. And so today, there are big sellers who aren't selling, and a year ago, there are big sellers who weren't selling. What I will say is that all of the large banks are being very cautious about what they sell and who they sell it to, which sometimes delays what's going to be in the marketplace. But anyway, I think there's always a number of sellers who are on the sidelines for whatever reason. They don't need to sell. They're worried about the regulatory environment and we see that pattern constantly. Robert P. Napoli - William Blair & Company L.L.C., Research Division: Okay. And then on your share buybacks, should we expect more share buyback at this point? Or given the fact that there could be some consolidation this year, would it be more likely you're going to keep your powder dry for potential large opportunities?

J. Brandon Black

Analyst · William Blair

Right now, we've basically spent what was approved and authorized by the board to spend and there's no new buyback that's in place at this point in time. And so right now, we're focused on capitalizing on the opportunities we see in the market and the board could authorize at some point in the future, but right now, there's no authorization in place. Robert P. Napoli - William Blair & Company L.L.C., Research Division: Last question on the M&A front. Is there -- are you actively looking at M&A opportunities? And do you have interest -- besides the U.S., do you have interest internationally, increasing interest? I know you've always had interest.

J. Brandon Black

Analyst · William Blair

Yes, we are -- yes, I think we've been in a continual dialogue with opportunities outside the U.S. and that continues today as it's been for the last period of time. And we believe it's a necessary part of our diversification path. But we're going to wait for the right thing to come up at the right time. But there are active discussions going on all the time. Robert P. Napoli - William Blair & Company L.L.C., Research Division: And domestically? I mean Propel was kind of a diversification effort. Are you looking at other diversification?

J. Brandon Black

Analyst · William Blair

We are.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from Sameer Gokhale of Janney Cap.

Sameer Gokhale

Analyst · Janney Cap

I just had a follow-up on cloud computing and your investments in the cloud infrastructure and I read something, which was saying that you want to support like a self-service customer website and then have their analytics there. It seems like the person in charge of those, given a budget of around $25 million or so in that business, I mean, what are your expectations from that? Is that -- it still sounds like it's in the very early stages of your work there, but is that expected to result in some real productivity improvements or is that just you think incremental? I mean how should we think about that?

J. Brandon Black

Analyst · Janney Cap

Well, one day, we hired an incredibly talented CIO, who managed to get the first positive article of that collector in the Wall Street Journal. So I give him a lot of credit for that. And that being said, I think that it's our belief that we are increasingly in an age where consumers want to conduct their business in an online fashion or not have to go through the collection process of going through a phone call with somebody. And the functionality to do that requires a significant investment. But what we believe will happen over time is a reduction in cost-to-collect as the dollars collected through the channel will cost us, other than the investment in technology, 0. So it's one of the ways to -- Bob's question earlier that we think we can meaningfully impact the cost structure, but we're in the early innings of that. So I wouldn't start baking that in, but we're spending a lot of time thinking about it and designing the infrastructure for the future.

Paul J. Grinberg

Analyst · Janney Cap

And the $25 million, Sameer, relates to all of IT spending across the organization, not to this initiative.

Operator

Operator

There are no further questions on queue. At this time, I'll turn the call back over to management for closing remarks.

J. Brandon Black

Analyst · JMP Securities

Thank you very much. We appreciate your time today.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's program. You may now disconnect. Good day.