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East West Bancorp, Inc. (EWBC)

Q1 2012 Earnings Call· Wed, Apr 18, 2012

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Executives

Management

Kelly Adams - Dominic Ng - Chairman of the Board, Chief Executive Officer, Member of Executive Committee, Chairman of East West Bank and Chief Executive Officer of East West Bank Julia Gouw - Vice Chairman, President, Chief Operating Officer, Member of Executive Committee, Vice Chairman of East West Bank, President of East West Bank and Chief Operating Officer of East West Bank Irene H. Oh - Chief Financial Officer, Principal Accounting Officer, Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer of the Bank and Executive Vice President of the Bank

Analysts

Management

Ken A. Zerbe - Morgan Stanley, Research Division David Rochester - Deutsche Bank AG, Research Division Aaron James Deer - Sandler O'Neill + Partners, L.P., Research Division Brett D. Rabatin - Sterne Agee & Leach Inc., Research Division Herman Chan - Wells Fargo Securities, LLC, Research Division Jonathan Elmi - Macquarie Research Joseph Gladue - B. Riley & Co., LLC, Research Division Joe Morford - RBC Capital Markets, LLC, Research Division Jennifer H. Demba - SunTrust Robinson Humphrey, Inc., Research Division Gary P. Tenner - D.A. Davidson & Co., Research Division

Operator

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to the East West Bancorp First Quarter 2012 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Please note, this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Kelly Adams. Please go ahead.

Kelly Adams

Analyst

Good morning, and thank you for joining us to review the financial results of East West Bancorp for the first quarter of 2012. Here to review the results are Dominic Ng, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer; Julia Gouw, President and Chief Operating Officer; and Irene Oh, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. We will then open the call to questions. First, we would like to caution you that during the course of the call, management may make projections or other forward-looking statements regarding events or future financial performance of the company within the meaning of the Safe Harbor provision of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These forward-looking statements may differ materially from the actual results due to a number of risks and uncertainties. For a more detailed description of factors that affect the company’s operating results, please refer to our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including our annual report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2011. Today's call is also being recorded and will be available in replay format at eastwestbank.com and streetevents.com. I will now turn the call over to Dominic.

Dominic Ng

Analyst

Thank you, Kelly. Good morning and thank you, all, for joining us for our earnings call. Yesterday afternoon, we were pleased to report financial results for the first quarter of 2012. East West reported strong earnings of $68 million or $0.45 per diluted share for the first quarter of 2012. As compared to the prior year, East West grew earnings by $12 million or 21% and increased earnings per share by $0.06 or 22%. East West demonstrated operating performance across a number of key areas in the first quarter. Our return on assets improved to 1.26% and our return on equity improved to 12.01%. Our net interest margin is strong. Noninterest income is up. Cost of deposit is down. Credit costs are down. And noninterest expense remains stable. By focusing on attracting and retaining sustainable and profitable clients while maintaining high credit quality and interest rate risk management, we selectively and purposely grew our long and deposit portfolios during the first quarter of 2012. We grew our noncovered loans by $212 million or 2% and increased core deposit by $256 million or 2% to a record $10.6 billion. This increase in our loan portfolio was primarily driven by growth in our single-family residential and commercial and trade finance portfolio, which grew to $2 billion and $3.2 billion, respectively, as of March 31, 2012. Additionally, growth in core deposit was fueled by a 6% increase in the demand deposits to a record $3.6 billion as of quarter end. Our strong results again demonstrated the core strength of our organization and our ability to perform well regardless of the economic conditions. East West is outperforming many of its peers in overall profitability and our ability to win new business, increase top line revenue and maintained strong expense control. These successes are in…

Julia Gouw

Analyst

Thank you very much, Dominic, and good morning to everyone. During the first quarter of 2012, we focus on prudently growing our loan and deposit portfolios, appropriately balancing growth, interest rate and credit risk and also executing on our strategy to focus on bringing long-term, profitable relationships. As of March 31, 2012, total loans equaled $14.5 billion, unchanged from the fourth quarter of 2011. However, noncovered loan balances increased 2% or $212 million during the first quarter to $10.8 billion at March 31, 2012, while covered loans decreased $239 million or 6% from December 31, 2011, to $3.7 billion as of March 31, 2012. The growth in our noncovered portfolio for the first quarter of 2012 was driven by strong growth in commercial and trade finance loans and single-family mortgage loans, which I will discuss in more detail. Non-covered commercial and trade finance loans increased $96 million or 3% to $3.2 billion. Combined, total non-covered and covered commercial and trade finance loans increased to $3.9 billion at March 31, 2012, now equal 27% of our total gross loan portfolio. As we have mentioned before, our long-term goal is to have commercial loan portfolio equal 1/3 of our total loans. This growth in the commercial and trade finance portfolio has been achieved while maintaining strong credit quality and strict underwriting criteria, and we are pleased with the progress we have made towards our goal. In addition to the growth in our commercial and trade finance loan portfolios, we also continue to experience strong market demand for single-family loans. Our single-family loan portfolio grew $157 million or 9% quarter-to-date to $2 billion at March 31, 2012. These single-family loan originations have largely stemmed from our retail branch network. As mentioned before, our underwriting criteria for single-family loans is very high, and we…

Irene H. Oh

Analyst

Thank you, Julia, and good morning to everyone. I'd like to discuss the financial results for the first quarter of 2012 in more detail. Specifically, actions and fluctuations that impacted our net interest margin, noninterest income and noninterest expense. First quarter earnings totaled $68.1 million, an increase of $1.9 million or 3% from the fourth quarter of 2011, and an increase of $12 million or 21% from the first quarter of 2011. For the first quarter of 2012, we reported an adjusted net interest margin of 4.21%. This is an improvement of 8 basis points from the fourth quarter 2011 adjusted net interest margin of 4.13%, and an improvement of 27 basis points from the first quarter 2011 adjusted net interest margin of 3.94%. Overall, our improvement in the net interest margin from the prior quarter and the prior year was primarily due to a decrease in our cost of funds while we maintained a relatively stable level of interest income. Excluding the net impact of covered loan dispositions, our yield on interest-bearing assets totaled 4.93 for the first quarter of 2012, unchanged from the fourth quarter of 2011. However during the first quarter of 2012, total adjusted net interest income decreased $4.5 million from the fourth quarter to $39.3 million due to a decline in total interest-bearing assets of $93.5 million. Our non-covered loan yield remained relatively stable at 4.73% for the first quarter of 2012 as compared to 4.76% for the fourth quarter of 2011, while our covered loan yield, net of covered loan dispositions, increased from 8.26% for the fourth quarter of 2011 to 8.42% for the first quarter of 2012. Total interest income, adjusted for the net impact of covered loan dispositions, decreased $4.5 million. Interest expense also decreased by $4.7 million or 12% from the…

Dominic Ng

Analyst

Thank you, Irene. Thank you, everyone, for joining the call this morning. I would now open the call to questions.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question is from Ken Zerbe, Morgan Stanley.

Ken A. Zerbe - Morgan Stanley, Research Division

Analyst

I just have 2 questions. The first one, what would change your views on the timing or the amount of buybacks that you expect to do this year? Because the reason I ask because your guidance is based on the flat balance sheet and I understand that the risk weighting goes up given UCB. But it still seems you're being fairly conservative especially after you did, I guess, half of your buybacks in one quarter.

Julia Gouw

Analyst

Ken, this is Julia. Well, we're expecting to complete this year, so probably $5 million to $8 million for the second quarter and another $50 million in the third quarter.

Ken A. Zerbe - Morgan Stanley, Research Division

Analyst

Okay. And then, I assume you'd go back and re-up it from there?

Julia Gouw

Analyst

After that, we'll take a look in January. What we plan to do is like a possibility increasing the dividend and then announcing our mobile bank if it's -- if it makes sense at that time.

Ken A. Zerbe - Morgan Stanley, Research Division

Analyst

Okay. And then the other question I had, C&I growth looks like it slowed a fair bit this quarter. When you look at over the rest of this year, do you think the growth rate could remain at these lower levels or is there a reason to think it might pick up again?

Julia Gouw

Analyst

We think that the C&I loan growth of probably about $100 million per quarter is a doable number. And last year, we had stronger growth for different reasons, the cross-border loan guarantee and so the growth decrease compared to the third quarter, fourth quarter of last year to $90-something million this quarter. But we think $100 million increase each quarter for the remaining of the year is quite doable.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from Dave Rochester, Deutsche Bank.

David Rochester - Deutsche Bank AG, Research Division

Analyst

Can you just update us on where the spreads on C&I and CRE were doing in the quarter, and then you changed in the competitive landscape and either in those arenas? I just heard some chatter that Wells Fargo was getting addressed on CRE rates and terms, and I'm just wondering if you are continuing to see that.

Dominic Ng

Analyst

Yes, we have seen a lot more competitive rates coming from other banks. And specifically as you mentioned, Wells Fargo is being one, and then there are other banks also are trying to add more CRE loans and have dramatically reduced the rate. And we're seeing that coming. And that's the reason why we are expecting our non-covered loans yield to possibly come down a little and during the year because obviously, we are looking at some of these CRE loans that maybe looking for refinanced opportunity for -- from some of the other banks to offer a much lower rate. And so -- but we are doing fine with growing our C&I loans, and we have plenty of relationship banking type of clients that are not just going out, just shopping for rate differences. So all in all, I think that, that's the reason we expected our loan yield to may come down a little. On the other hand, we have a pretty strong cost of deposits in terms of the -- cost of deposit rates are doing fine, very well for us to help us to continue get the margins remain stable.

David Rochester - Deutsche Bank AG, Research Division

Analyst

And on the resi side, are you still seeing that 5% level on the ARM product that you're producing? I think those were current customers, more like at low doc type loans or are you still getting those kinds of yields?

Julia Gouw

Analyst

Yes, in the average yield is about 5% -- most of these are 5-year fixed, and then become adjustable. So we -- our niche is to have low doc but very low loan-to-value and for a lot of these, these are relationship customers that come from our retail branch network where they value the fact that we can close the loans timely. We offer mostly purchases as opposed to refinance loans. So as a result, timing is very important for them. They want to make sure that they get a loan from a bank that can close the loan timely. You heard that there are a lot of the big banks that they cannot close the loans quickly. So as a result, some of these escrow -- they fail to close the escrow on the due date.

David Rochester - Deutsche Bank AG, Research Division

Analyst

Yes. And how are you thinking about that growth going forward? Should we see this growth persist into the second quarter with the prevailing activity in the marketplace and given what you're seeing in your customer base?

Julia Gouw

Analyst

We think that it probably will slow down to about $100 million a quarter. Again, we only do purchases. So as a result, we would -- will see less new funding compared to...

David Rochester - Deutsche Bank AG, Research Division

Analyst

Okay. So maybe a little bit less growth in 2Q versus 1Q and getting down to 100 at some point as a run rate?

Julia Gouw

Analyst

Yes, yes.

Dominic Ng

Analyst

Yes. We do refi also. The only thing is that we are substantially more competitive in the purchase arena, simply because what we can close along within 30 days, which the real key for buyers in the home market, if any buyer say that either they do all cash or they can say that I can close this transaction within 30 days. And that will make the buyer become a very compelling, attractive buyer to the seller. So -- and since we can always close loans in such an expedience manner, particularly compared with all the banks out there who takes sometime 2, 3, 4 months to close a loan transaction. So therefore, I think that we naturally attract most of the, sort of, home purchasers. And for the refinance people who can take their time to refinance, obviously, our rate will not be as competitive as the large banks out there. So I mean, it's -- so naturally it just fallout that way. But within the purchase market, because of our requirement for substantially higher down payment, so we naturally attract customers that are willing to put in these 40%-plus type of down payment and then they end up coming to us.

Irene H. Oh

Analyst

And also, Dave, we track the delinquency and the losses from the low LTV loans is very, very minor. As of now, if you look at our nonaccrual loans, it's only $3 million out of $2 billion portfolio. That's seen like less than 20 basis points of delinquencies on our single-family loans. And that's attributed to the low LTV.

David Rochester - Deutsche Bank AG, Research Division

Analyst

Okay, great. One last one real quick. On the margin side, I think, Irene, you had mentioned smaller amount of CDs repricing going forward versus what we've seen in the last couple of quarters. Do you even have the dollar amount for 2Q and the rate that's rolling off?

Irene H. Oh

Analyst

Sure. So, Dave, just as a reminder, last quarter, or the quarter before, we have got $2.6 billion at 85, 86 basis points that was maturing in each quarter. This quarter when we look at second Q, third Q, fourth quarter, it's much lower. Second quarter, we have about $1 billion at about roughly 80 basis points or so, so much lower than in the past. And then each quarter after that, it comes down.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from Aaron Deer, Sandler O'Neill partners. Aaron James Deer - Sandler O'Neill + Partners, L.P., Research Division: I have a quick question or a couple of them I guess on the margin. First, with respect to the guidance on the core margin of 3.90% to 4%, that seems down pretty sharply from the 4.21% that you had in the first quarter. Notwithstanding some of the asset yield pressures. Here's what's causing that sharp drop or if there was some outsized interest income in the first quarter.

Irene H. Oh

Analyst

Sure, Aaron, this is Irene. The guidance that we give out obviously, with the volatility on the accounting for the covered loan to SOP accounting, there is a certain amount of -- we don't know exactly where it would be quite frankly. Like this quarter, the amount of the net accretable income was about $17 million, which is higher than what we forecast, which is $15 million. So when we talk about the 3.90% to 4%, I think probably a better way to look at it is that 3.90% is a little bit of more of a floor of where we think our margin would be given these various factors and the fact that there's some volatility with the SOP income and then also that we know that our repricing downwards of the CDs. It's not going to be as much in the second quarter or in the future as well. So the offset to the reduction in the loan yield, there won't be as much. Aaron James Deer - Sandler O'Neill + Partners, L.P., Research Division: Okay. But the 3.90% to 4%, that's your core margin expectation excluding accretion income, correct?

Irene H. Oh

Analyst

Yes. Excluding the impact of the FDIC indemnification asset, so the core margin. But there is still additional accretable income that comes through from the covered portfolio. So some of that is what I'm talking about. It's a little volatile. Aaron James Deer - Sandler O'Neill + Partners, L.P., Research Division: And then at the end of the year, I think you put the net accretable yield remaining at around $161 million. Where does that stand at March 31?

Irene H. Oh

Analyst

As of March 31, it was $142 million.

Operator

Operator

Next question is from Brett Rabatin, Sterne Agee. Brett D. Rabatin - Sterne Agee & Leach Inc., Research Division: Wanted to ask from a loan sale perspective, can you guys walk through what you -- what products you sold during the quarter, and then just the expectations for sales in the next few quarters and what your plans are there?

Irene H. Oh

Analyst

Sure, Brett. This is Irene. Most of the loans that we sold during the first quarter were -- are government-guaranteed student loans. That was a large reason for the gain. We also did sell some SBA loans, the 7A program as well, that was about $1 billion of the gain as well. So we are originating SBA loans on a regular basis and those -- it's very attractive to sell those in the market, so 8, 9 points or so. So those we'll continue to originate and sell. The student loans is something where we are purchasing in the market and once we're kind of accumulating a certain size, we're selling those as well. So in the future, probably we will continue to have both of these sales of the SBA loans and the student loans. Over time, the student loan sales would diminish, though. Brett D. Rabatin - Sterne Agee & Leach Inc., Research Division: Okay. And then secondly, just wanted to ask from a runoff of the covered portfolio perspective, as that continues to occur and you're obviously in a position of sell at profitability, but you've got to replace that covered asset. Can you talk about the strategy longer term and what you want to do with the franchise, maybe Dominic, as it relates to growing it as opposed to you're going to obviously, having high profitability and be buying back stock in the near term. You've been reticent in wanting to do acquisitions, but I'm just curious on your longer-term view on planning and strategy.

Dominic Ng

Analyst

Well, I think on the -- specifically related to the covered loans, yes, the covered loans we'll continue to pare down gradually. And in the meantime, we are converting some of these covered loans to non-covered. Obviously, many of the covered loans are United Commercial Bank clients, and we have every reason to keep and retain. So what you will see is that gradually in time, either they -- we have problem loans in that covered portfolio that we resolved through the normal process of foreclosure or worked out and so forth, or we would have these clients gradually converting to the non-covered portfolio. So you will see the covered loans continue to pare down. But then as you have seen for the last 2 years, we have continued to have very nice, profitable growth in our non-covered loan portfolio. So as non-covered loans continue to increase in size, we would offset against the decrease in size of covered loans. So all in all, my sense right now is that we most likely will stay relatively stable and will be a very small -- I mean, percentage growth in terms of overall balance sheet and our profitability will continue to maintain high. If we have some incredible, great opportunity coming to us from an acquisition point of view, we never hesitate to make a move on that. We have plenty of our capital, and we have all the human resources available to do an acquisition deal. On the other hand, we do not need to use acquisition to grow our earning per share. So therefore, we're going to manage our capital very efficiently. As I said, we will look at where we are today. If there is not some very strong, incredible candidate that's standing in our sidelines waiting for us to have, then we will continue our capital management, which is increase our dividends, buying back shares going forward in the next year or 2, and continue to transform the balance sheet by putting on more C&I loans, having more low-cost commercial deposits and less reliance on real estate. But we have made some really good progress for the last 2 years in terms of dramatically increasing the C&I loans in a prudent and in a conservative way, and also substantially increasing our DDA demand deposits. As we've mentioned earlier, we have now a record amount of $3.7 billion of demand deposits. So one day at a time, one month at a time, and one quarter at a time, we are making those certain to keep our balance sheet stronger and stronger. And also make ourselves substantially more relevant to be that financial bridge between the east and west and doing business between U.S. and China and helping our U.S. clients to expand their business in the Asia region and vice versa. And that is our niche and that's what we do best. And I think that there will be plenty of great opportunities for us to come.

Operator

Operator

Next question is from Herman Chan, Wells Fargo Securities.

Herman Chan - Wells Fargo Securities, LLC, Research Division

Analyst

I wanted to follow up on the $100 million expected quarterly commercial growth. Do you see future loan growth driven more by trade finance or more traditional C&I? And also, can you give an update on the buildout of the commercial platform and some of the lending that -- such as entertainment, technology, et cetera, that you've highlighted in the past?

Dominic Ng

Analyst

In terms of C&I and trade finance, I would say that it's a pretty much just growing proportionally. And so we are -- continue to have good momentum from both side. The reason is because, as you said earlier, we continue to build out industry expertise in various industries that is relevant to the U.S.-China investment and trade arena. So clearly, from technology to entertainment, health care to import-export related to agriculture, seafood, et cetera, those are all relevant industries. We are building our expertise. So within that arena, I think that some of these clients that we bring in are going to have to import and export elements. While the others, while besides taking care of the import-export business, many of them still have their working capital line needs and then they need to get term loans from us in terms of certain types of activities that's go on in the commerce side. So in that regard, I think that we will expect continuing growth in both regular C&I and also trade finance, with the emphasis on industry that are relevant to the U.S. and Asia region.

Herman Chan - Wells Fargo Securities, LLC, Research Division

Analyst

Great. And as a follow up on the residential mortgage side of things, there's been some concern from other players on the potential involvement with the CFPB regarding these lower doc originations. Can you give us an update on the regulatory fronts regarding these ones?

Julia Gouw

Analyst

Well, at this time, nothing has been finalized. We will monitor. What we do is that we will only do things that are allowed. At this time, that's what we do.

Operator

Operator

Next question is from Jonathan Elmi, Macquarie.

Jonathan Elmi - Macquarie Research

Analyst

Just a 2 quick -- so just 2 quick follow-ups on the guidance. First, on the full year 2012 guidance, just wanted to confirm, does that include any portion of the share buybacks remain?

Irene H. Oh

Analyst

No, it does not. It does factor in the shares that we already bought back in the first quarter, Jonathan, but not any remaining.

Jonathan Elmi - Macquarie Research

Analyst

Got it. Then the second question was just on the FHLB prepays and the repo restructurings. When exactly that those occur during the quarter?

Irene H. Oh

Analyst

They go probably at the midpoint of a quarter.

Jonathan Elmi - Macquarie Research

Analyst

Okay. So just trying to get a sense for -- to what extent there's going to be some follow through benefits and margin from those actions. But sure sounds like there should be a little bit then.

Irene H. Oh

Analyst

There should be a little bit. Point-to-point, when we look at our year end to the first quarter and the benefit, it's probably about 23, 24 basis points.

Operator

Operator

Next question is from Joe Gladue, B. Riley. Joseph Gladue - B. Riley & Co., LLC, Research Division: I'd like to ask, I guess, a couple of numbers questions on asset quality. First, could you give us the number on performing TDRs at quarter end?

Irene H. Oh

Analyst

Yes. At quarter end, performing TDRs were about $30 million. Joseph Gladue - B. Riley & Co., LLC, Research Division: Okay. And just in general, what were the trends in classified loans and close to non-accruals?

Irene H. Oh

Analyst

Overall, I think you can see the results from our reduction that we had in the nonaccrual loans, but the trends were positive overall. Classified assets did come down a little bit. Movement into nonperforming loans also came down. During the first quarter, the movement into NPL was about $30 million as well. And as you recall, that's down from probably about $50 million or so in the fourth quarter. Joseph Gladue - B. Riley & Co., LLC, Research Division: Okay. And I guess lastly, I guess I'll ask a little bit about your China business. Yes, of course, there's continually changes in regulations and the economic environment in China. Just wondering if you could touch on anything significantly, positive or negative for your business there and what the overall outlook is.

Dominic Ng

Analyst

Well, first of all, we have -- from the overall Greater China region, I'm combining Hong Kong and China together, our total loan portfolio is actually less than $0.5 billion. So it's a very small percentage to the overall balance sheet. Now keep in mind though, our strategy to be that bridge between east and west is not to make our Greater China portfolio to equal in size in United States is that build the expertise of knowing how to do business between U.S. and China so that we can become a substantially much more attractive financial institution to our U.S. customer base, who do have either a presence in China or looking into expanding over there or the fact is, most companies in the United States right now are importing goods from China. So our expertise becomes extremely available for all of these U.S. clients who needs to deal with the Greater China region. And that's the purpose, not to go in there in China and trying to find enough asset to book to equal to what we have in United States. That being said, and that's why the -- any of these political or economic volatility over there did not have as big of an impact to us. Secondly, we are still in the buildout mode. When I say buildout mode, is that it took us a while -- starting day 1 when we took over United Commercial Bank back in November of 2009, we took over a loan portfolio from United Commercial Bank in China with over 30% NP -- nonperforming loans. And we, as of today, have just completed the cleanup and has now got the nonperforming loans from 30%-plus down to 0. So which is I think to the regulators in China a great accomplishment.…

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from Joe Morford, RBC Capital Markets.

Joe Morford - RBC Capital Markets, LLC, Research Division

Analyst

Really, the first question is just a follow up on that last one. I was I guess curious what amount of loan growth you are targeting for the China region this year, especially now that you no longer have to fight the pay down of NPAs. And also, can you quantify what kind of spending you intend to make on these infrastructure investments and hires over the next year?

Dominic Ng

Analyst

In terms of the loan growth in China, I think the difference is that last year, we had the opportunity of the cross-border loan guarantee program put out by the Chinese government, that allow us to actually have a very nice loan growth, both in the -- particularly for our Hong Kong branch, working with our branch in China. So the quota was up, as I mentioned last year, that we use it up fairly quickly. So we are waiting to find out this year what the new regulation is and then how much allocation we get. If we get a nice increase, and I expect that we would do quite well, in terms of that loan growth for Hong Kong and then China. If we don't, then I don't see there's much growth opportunity for us there. So it's a combination that we do have a much better position without these nonperforming asset to deal with over there. I think that will put us in a much better position in terms of having the flexibility to grow along. However, the constraint will come back to what kind of quota is available on the regulators over there that will allow us to expand, because we are not as interested in doing too many unsecured type of credits. I mean, these cross-border guarantee loan, the nice thing about it is it's 100% secured by either deposits or standby letters of credit from these customers. So therefore, either way, I mean, those are very secured deals. And then those are the kind of things that we like to do more. Now in terms of infrastructure and expenses and so forth, the gain -- because our operation in Hong Kong and China is relatively small, so the expenses would not be in any way material that would affect our overall G&A expenses for the next 9 months or so.

Irene H. Oh

Analyst

What's most of these are capitalized and amortized over time.

Dominic Ng

Analyst

We have the infrastructure expenses capitalized but the human -- I mean, human resources, the personnel and obviously, that's part of the G&A expenses. It will, I mean, it will increase our payroll as we talked about just like any of these C&I lenders that we hire in the United States, in California or New York and so forth, it will increase our payroll. But on the other hand, when we bring these people into generate revenues, to generate business, we expect that between the net interest income and the fee incomes will be more than offset against the payroll expenses that will come to us.

Joe Morford - RBC Capital Markets, LLC, Research Division

Analyst

Okay. That's helpful. And then one other question was, just wondering if you could talk about the decrease in risk-weighted assets this quarter, which is just under $600 million or about 4% in the quarter. And just kind of what would be the real drivers to that?

Irene H. Oh

Analyst

Sure, Joe. If you look at our balance sheet, we did have more cash at March 31 versus year end. And so there are a lot of assets that move really -- we sold the securities up from 100% risk-weighted to 0, and that's probably the primary reason for that.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from Jennifer Demba, SunTrust Robinson Humphrey.

Jennifer H. Demba - SunTrust Robinson Humphrey, Inc., Research Division

Analyst

I just have 2 questions. Irene, I was just wondering if you could quantify the impact to compensation costs from the lower deferred loan fees? And also, Dominic, if you could just talk to the -- what you're seeing in terms of the pipeline acquisitions or discussions you're seeing any changes there?

Irene H. Oh

Analyst

Jennifer, on the first part of your question, I think it was about the impact to compensation expense for the lower deferred comp. It's about deferred fees -- excuse me, it's about $4 million for the quarter.

Dominic Ng

Analyst

In terms of pipeline for acquisition, we currently do not have a pipeline.

Jennifer H. Demba - SunTrust Robinson Humphrey, Inc., Research Division

Analyst

Okay. So you're not seeing any increase in discussions despite the fact that we've seen over the last month or 2, just more activity in the industry in general?

Dominic Ng

Analyst

I think that there are always -- there's always activities, there's always discussion and there are always -- I'm seeing that quite on a daily basis. The only difference is that from our perspective is that, it's always -- we think it's relative. What we look at what we're doing right now is that nice organic growth, very controllable type of execution in terms of specifically targeting the type of industry where we grow our loans and finding the right type of account officers that can help us to get more demand deposit and lower cost of funds. And in a much more controllable expansive risk management point of view, it just makes it hard for us to find attractive investment target. I think a good example will be, as just recently, many of you have seen Specific Capitals sold to Union Bank for a pretty large premium. And those are kind of things that East West Bank would never, never get into this type of activity in terms of paying that kind of premium and ultimately have to just work ourselves, I mean, to a very, very sort of like a challenging situation to make up for that goodwill. And it just -- it just, to us, it's just not a strategy that we would like to pursue.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question is from Gary Tenner, D.A. Davidson. Gary P. Tenner - D.A. Davidson & Co., Research Division: Irene, I was just still curious about your guidance on the margin and I wondered if maybe just one way of looking at it, could you kind of talk to the first quarter margin a little bit? Obviously, that was above your expectations. Maybe talk to the factors that kind of really drove that 20 or 30 basis points above where your guidance was in the first quarter?

Irene H. Oh

Analyst

Sure, Gary. I think first and foremost when we look at the margin for the first quarter, overall, compared to our forecast and our expectation, we were able to reduce the cost of deposits substantially more. Obviously, we know how much is going to mature every quarter on the CDs, which is the largest variable there. At exactly what tenure it goes into, there are some uncertainty and also what the market competition will be. So that was the largest driver, more positive than we had expected, which is obviously great for us. Additionally, some of the actions we took to restructure the borrowings was not something that we had factored in from day 1 of our guidance. And then last, I would say on the asset side, overall, compared to maybe our little conservative forecasting are interest income on the loans, covered and non-covered, held up a little bit better than we had forecast. And we had a little bit more accretable income. We normally forecast at the net accretable income is about $15 million. And every quarter, it seems like $15 million is something that's achievable. This quarter is a little bit higher as well at $17 million. So all of those factors helped keep that margin high. And then additionally, I would also say that overall, the interest earning assets did come down, inch down a little bit, so overall, our strategy has been more retaining the higher-yielding, more profitable businesses kind of reducing some of the lower yielding assets. Gary P. Tenner - D.A. Davidson & Co., Research Division: Okay. And that kind of goes to my follow-up question, in terms about the non-covered loan yields, I think the yields were only down 3 basis points in the quarter from fourth to first? Are you anticipating -- is there a large slug of loans that are scheduled to reprice coming up here in the second or third quarter or how do we kind of think of how you're managing the yield on the non-covered portfolio?

Dominic Ng

Analyst

No, we don't have any anticipation of any loans coming to you that will have a substantial repricing. But what we do have is that we do have a very conservative view about competition. So this is, I think a speculation. Hopefully, we are wrong and then our margin will be very strong. But the reality is that we just think that a lot of banks out there who do not have a very strong niche or a very strong strategic direction, they're going to need to use pricing to hold their balance sheet, to get things going. And so there are going to be banks out there, the minute that every quarter go by, there will be another 1 or 2 banks who are out of MOU or CND and then ready to be in business. We just expect that when it comes to that point that many of these banks particularly community banks, their primary focus will be going back to get CRE loans. Because that's what they're good at and that's what they do. And when they all start coming back in time, I guess, CRE loans and in the primary business that they know how to do is CRE, I would expect that there's going to be a lot of competition that will drive the pricing down dramatically. Now that's what our speculation is. It's that in time, now we expect it by now there will be a dramatic competition that is happening. It hasn't happened yet. And in fact, that's why, in the first quarter, other than the Wells Fargo and a few others, it hasn't quite happened yet. But just natural to expect that it will happen in time. Would it be the second or third quarter? Or it will be the fourth quarter, but in time, they will come. So with that in mind, I think that we just think that it's only prudent that we expect that loan yield will come down, because at some point in time, even extremely loyal and great East West Bank customers are going to ask and say, why don't East West Bank get real, this is what the market is and this is what your rate is, when are you going to come down? And then we will need to get our rate down to match some of these competition.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is a follow up from Joe Gladue, B. Riley. Joseph Gladue - B. Riley & Co., LLC, Research Division: Just wanted to touch on the, I guess, provision and reserve build. The first quarter you -- the provision was considerably larger than the net charge-offs. I understand your -- I guess keeping the allowance at a pretty steady percentage of total loans. But at the same time, with nonperforming assets coming down, it's -- I guess, the reserve is approaching 2x nonperforming loans. Just wondering how that's impacting your thoughts on provisioning going forward.

Irene H. Oh

Analyst

Sure, Gary. So as you mentioned, you're exactly right. The total allowance to total non-covered loan ratio, we maintain that at 2.04% as of the end of the first quarter and also the end of last year. What we're looking at is the overall kind of reasonableness in the allowance. The actual provision and charge-off. Charge-offs are really a cash kind of basis. Lots of times, there are loans where we reserve for it in the past and the cap charge off is when we take the charge-off that you see in the quarter. So overall, we look at the reasonableness of the overall allowance. Also, I say, maybe compared to all of our peers, we do have more loan growth in the C&I side and single-family side as well. So we're continuing to reserve for that. And also, in the quarter, you'll see in our allowance table in the press release, we put note and disclosed that we did increase the allowance on the loans that are covered. But they're additional drawdowns on that. The specifics of the accounting of that, I'd be happy to talk to you maybe off-line.

Operator

Operator

This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Dominic Ng for any closing remarks.

Dominic Ng

Analyst

I just want to say thank you again for all of you who joined our call this morning, and I look -- we all look forward to talking to you again in July. Bye-bye.

Operator

Operator

The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.