Kelly Adams Dominic Ng - Chairman, Chief Executive Officer, Member of Executive Committee, Chairman of East West Bank and Chief Executive Officer of East West Bank Julia S. Gouw - Vice Chairman, President, Chief Operating Officer, Member of Executive Committee, Vice Chairman of East West Bank, President of East West Bank and Chief Operating Officer of East West Bank Irene H. Oh - Chief Financial Officer, Principal Accounting Officer, Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer of the Bank and Executive Vice President of the Bank

David Rochester - Deutsche Bank AG, Research Division Joe Morford - RBC Capital Markets, LLC, Research Division Aaron James Deer - Sandler O'Neill + Partners, L.P., Research Division Lana Chan - BMO Capital Markets U.S. Jennifer H. Demba - SunTrust Robinson Humphrey, Inc., Research Division Julianna Balicka - Keefe, Bruyette, & Woods, Inc., Research Division Herman Chan - Wells Fargo Securities, LLC, Research Division Gary P. Tenner - D.A. Davidson & Co., Research Division Brett D. Rabatin - Sterne Agee & Leach Inc., Research Division Michael Turner - Compass Point Research & Trading, LLC, Research Division

Good morning, and welcome to the East West Bancorp Second Quarter 2012 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Please note, this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Kelly Adams, Senior Vice President. Please go ahead.

Thank you. Good morning, and thank you for joining us to review the financial results of East West Bancorp for the second quarter of 2012. Here to review the results are Dominic Ng, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer; Julia Gouw, President and Chief Operating Officer; and Irene Oh, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. We will then open the call to questions. Second, we would like to caution you that during the course of the call, management may make projections or other forward-looking statements regarding events or future financial performance of the company within the meaning of the Safe Harbor provision of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These forward-looking statements may differ materially from the actual results due to a number of risks and uncertainties. For a more detailed description of factors that affect the company’s operating results, please refer to our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including our annual report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2011. Today's call is also being recorded and will be available in replay format at eastwestbank.com and streetevents.com. I will now turn the call over to Dominic.

Thank you, Kelly. Good morning, and thank you for joining our earnings call. Yesterday afternoon, we were pleased to report financial results for the second quarter of 2012. East West reported strong earnings of $70.6 million or $0.47 per diluted share for the second quarter of 2012. We increased second quarter net income by $10 million or 17% and increased earnings per diluted share by $0.08 or 21% from the prior year period. As compared to the prior quarter, East West grew earnings by $2.5 million or 4% and increased earnings per share by $0.02 and also 4%. Once again, East West demonstrated strong operating performance. Our second quarter net income of $70.6 million was the highest in the last 10 quarters, resulting in a solid return of assets of 1.3% and return of average common equity of 12.5% for the quarter. We grew our noncovered loans, excluding loan held for sale, by $296.8 million or 3% quarter-to-date. This increase in our noncovered loan portfolio was primarily attributable to growth in our commercial and trade finance loans, which grew $180 million or 6% to $3.4 billion as of June 30, 2012. This growth in commercial and trade finance loans is the continuation of strong momentum from the first quarter of 2012. Year-to-date, we have grown our noncovered commercial and trade finance loans by $276.2 million or 9%. During the second quarter and first half of 2012, East West continues to experience strong momentum in winning new customers and retaining existing customers who need our expertise, services and operating platform between the United States and Greater China. As a financial institution solely focused on the U.S. and Greater China market, we believe we have an inherent competitive advantage over our peers in this arena. Our strong growth in noncovered commercial and…

Thank you very much, Dominic, and good morning to everyone. I will start by discussing the growth we have experienced in our noncovered loan portfolio. As of June 30, 2012, noncovered loan balances, excluding loans held for sale, increased 3% or $296.8 million during the second quarter to $10.8 billion at June 30, 2012, while covered loans decreased $267.1 million or 7% from March 31, 2012, to $3.4 billion as of June 30, 2012. The growth in our noncovered portfolio for the second quarter of 2012 was driven by strong growth in commercial and trade finance loans and single-family mortgage loans, which I will discuss in more detail. Noncovered commercial and trade finance loans increased $180 million or 6% to $3.4 billion. Combined, total noncovered and covered commercial and trade finance loans increased to $4 billion or 28% of our total gross loan portfolio as of June 30, 2012, up $130 million or 3% of our total gross loan portfolio as of March 31, 2012. As we have mentioned on previous earnings call, our long-term strategy is to have the commercial loan portfolio equal 1/3 of the total loans. In addition to the solid growth in our commercial and trade finance loan portfolios, we continue to experience strong demand in our markets for single-family loans. Our single-family loan portfolio grew $64.8 million or 3% quarter-to-date to $2 billion at June 30, 2012. These single-family loan originations are primarily from our retail branch network. As previously mentioned, our underwriting criteria for single-family loans are very high, and we require very high down payment and low loan-to-value ratios. In the second quarter, we originated 446 -- 440 single-family loans, totaling $135 million with an average loan size of $300,000 and a loan-to-value of 49%. Historically, the credit quality for our single-family loans…

Thank you very much, Julia, and good morning to everyone. I would like to discuss our financial results for the second quarter of 2012 in more detail, specifically, actions and fluctuations that impacted our net interest margin, noninterest income and noninterest expense. Second quarter earnings totaled $70.6 million, an increase of 4% from the prior quarter and an increase of 17% from the prior year quarter. For the second quarter, we reported an adjusted net interest margin of 4.01% compared to 4.21% and 4.03% as of March 31, 2012, and March 30, 2011, respectively. The decline in the core margin in the second quarter 2012 compared to the first quarter is due to the larger impact of covered loan disposition and amortization activity in the second quarter, and it continues with downward repricing of the investment securities and loan portfolio. In the past earnings calls, we have discussed that the income from the covered loans accounted for under ASC 310-10 does fluctuate quarter-over-quarter depending on the cash flow activity that occurs in each period. However, as of June 30, 2012, the net accretable income remaining that will flow through net income over the life of the loan is $125 million. As most of the covered loans are commercial loans with shorter remaining terms and maturities, we expect that the majority of this net accretable income of $125 million will be recognized over the next 36 months. During the quarter, total interest expense declined $1.9 million or 5%, and the cost of funds decreased 4 basis points from the prior quarter, primarily due to the strong growth in core deposits and the reduction of high-cost time deposits. For the past few quarters, a significant portion of time deposits have matured and as a result, the company was able to reduce both…

Thank you, Irene. I would now open the call to questions.

[Operator Instructions] And our first question is from Dave Rochester of Deutsche Bank.

I had a question on your margin guidance. I'm just trying to figure out what the main driver of the stable NIM is for next quarter. You've got core deposit cost. It looked like they stabilized. And given your commentary, it sounds like you can't really bring CD cost down much more, loan yields continue to reprice lower. Is it that you think you can just reduce excess liquidity?

Dave, this is Julia. A combination. The loan yield has been holding up okay. So the combination in some of the payoffs of the Federal Home Loan Bank, advances, plus reinvestment of some of the cash that we will have as of June 30 to some short duration, say, investment security. So we think that -- and plus, we'll have some accretions on the yields, on the covered loans. So we think that around 4% is doable in the near future. However, we do think that in the long term, the trend would be -- there'll be some pressure on the net interest margin, just like every other bank. This extremely low interest rate environment is hurting us because our cost of deposits have really come down dramatically that it's not easy to reduce it any further.

Got it. And on reinvestment rates for which you're looking at the shorter-duration securities, what would those be roughly?

Probably about, like low 1%, somewhere over there.

Okay. And just drilling down into loan yields for the quarter. If you could talk about maybe where you're putting on C&I and maybe the RESI arms and CRE as well?

For the C&I loans, so far, for the -- I would say for the last 12 months or so, we continued to have a fully diversified type of growth that hit various different sectors. But predominantly, I will say that close to 1/3 of the C&I loans are in the trade finance sector. And more so, I think we are growing more on -- in the export areas in the past, like most of the banks in trade finance business, 80%, 90% of the portfolio in import. But we have picked up a pretty good momentum for the last several months from doing more export trade finance. And that has been very positive because it's kind of balancing sales for us. In addition to that, from manufacturing, logistics and transportation, technology, health care, entertainment, clean tech, et cetera, we pretty much cover them all. And I expect that going forward, in the next 6 months, we will continue to have pretty healthy growth in all of these sectors because of our pipeline. And one other thing is actually the agriculture, and food area is also another area that we expect that we will see some more momentum going forward in the next 6 months.

And in terms of production yields, what are you looking at for trade finance versus maybe your traditional C&I?

It has been holding up in the yields, if you look at -- the yields on the C&I loans has been pretty stable.

And Dave, I think you also asked about the pricing on the single-family loans. Yes, that's holding up as well. It's about 5%.

Okay, and maybe C&I is still on that 3.25%, 3.50% range, is that...

Yes, including the loan fees, I would say closer to 4%.

Closer to 4%. And commercial real estate, is that around 4%?

Commercial real estate, yes, 4% to 4.5% depending on the deal.

And our next question is from Joe Morford of RBC Capital Markets.

I guess, I wonder if you could talk a little bit more about the outlook for loan growth. I think in the past, you've said maybe you're targeting upwards of 10% growth rate for the year. Is this -- is that still the target? And maybe what does the pipeline look like at period end? It looked like C&I demand was a little stronger this quarter.

Yes, for the noncovered loans, we are estimating about a 10% loan growth. On the C&I, we always give a forecast of $100 million a quarter. This second quarter, we had a pretty good $180 million. We think that we may do better than $100 million, but we are projecting about $100 million C&I loan growth a quarter.

Yes, I think at this point -- I think based on what's happening in the pipeline, I think it looks like that we may exceed that $100 million target that we have. But at this stage, we're just going to stick with our original plan of $100 million growth on C&I.

Okay. And then the other question is just -- curious, what are the opportunities do you have to restructure or prepay borrowings to help support the margin? And is that something you're looking to do?

Certainly, I think we have been pretty active in prepaying those FHLB advances. If there are opportunities to do so in the future, certainly, we'll do that. I think on the repo side, the prepayment penalties are pretty steep. So our strategy really would be, at this point, if there are opportunities to prepay the FHLB advances. And then also, whatever kind of our higher-cost CDs that we have, work those out as well.

And the next question is from Aaron Deer of Sandler O'Neill. Aaron James Deer - Sandler O'Neill + Partners, L.P., Research Division: I just have a question on the pay-downs that you had on the covered loan book. It seems like that was -- it's fairly sizable. Was there anything behind that rapid level or the high level of pay-downs?

That was our strategy, to reduce the duration on the investment security.

No, no. It's about...

Aaron, it's really hard to hear you. If you wouldn't mind just repeating the question.

His question is on the covered loans. Pay down has been very...

Oh, okay.

Is that what you're asking, Aaron, just to make sure? Aaron James Deer - Sandler O'Neill + Partners, L.P., Research Division: Yes, you're correct.

Oh, sorry.

Aaron, on the covered loans -- We talked about this before as far as the payoff, it is something there's only so much we can do. There is activity that happens. And obviously, with the accounting for the covered loans, the ASC 310-10, it does create a certain amount of volatility in the P&L. I would say, though, another thing that we have made a little bit of initiative in 2012 is we have a little over 2 years left with loss share on the UCB assisted deal. And one of the things that we have made as initiative in 2012 is working through and looking at which ones are potentially problematic. If there is any issue, we would rather kind of work that out really with a partner while we still have loss share. So that has also been an emphasis for us to work out the substandard or problematic loans. So you're seeing that as well as far as kind of the elevated kind of reduction in the balances.

So let me add to this, it's actually working out pretty good for us because, obviously, back in November 2009, when we first took over the portfolio of close to $8 billion and with East West loan portfolio wasn't that much bigger. And the concern is that, what do we do come 2014 if we have all the loss shares lifted? That with a portfolio that may potentially be maybe somewhat dicey. As it's happening right now for the last 2.5 years, I think we are progressing very well because this portfolio is now down to less than $4 billion. And most of those problematic loans have been resolved, charged off, et cetera. So we are getting, I think, definitely a much smaller portfolio for us to be worried about and actually much stronger portfolio compared to what it was 2.5 years ago. So with a better portfolio, smaller portfolio, we're going to continue to strain down because we need to reduce as many of the substandard problematic loans as much as possible. And we feel pretty confident that come to 2014, all of these problems, problematic type of issues will be resolved. And now to do that, we need to have pretty nice growth momentum from our noncovered C&I loans. And so far, again, we've been pretty fortunate. And our business strategy and our direction that we're taking right now allow us to continue to grow a pretty diversified C&I and trade finance loans. So as long as we get pretty nice growth on the noncovered side, we are able to, more or less, offset against the outflow of the covered. So net-net, I think going into 2014, we'll be in a great shape. Basically, the covered loans actually allow us the opportunity to nicely diversify our entire loan portfolio. And it's going to make East West Bank's balance sheet much more diversified and stronger, and more core in the commercial side going forward. So I think that so far, it's been working out pretty good. Aaron James Deer - Sandler O'Neill + Partners, L.P., Research Division: Yes, that seems like it's been a good strategy for you. And just a quick follow-up. Irene, I think you touched on the loan sales in the quarter. It sounded like it was student loans. Can you repeat what the composition was in terms of the types sold, what the premium was and maybe what your outlook is for continued gains?

Sure. During the quarter, the gain on sale on loans was primarily due to student loans. We sold $150 million, a gain of about $5.1 million or so. And the remainder was -- is largely because we also have SBA 7(a) loans that we originate and sell the guaranteed portion of that. About $15 million is what we sold last quarter. Aaron James Deer - Sandler O'Neill + Partners, L.P., Research Division: Okay. And the outlook going forward, kind of similar level of sales, or is that going to come back some?

We do it opportunistically depending on the pricing and availability for the sales. So it's not going to be necessarily every quarter that we'll have that.

And next, we have a question from Lana Chan of BMO Capital Markets.

One question on credit. As you continue to see gradual improvement on the credit quality trends, if I look at your reserve ratio as a percent of loans, it hasn't really come down all that much, still pretty strong at over 2%. What is your thinking with that ratio going forward in terms of how much flexibility you have to bring that down further?

I think in the future, as the economy really improves, there might be a possibility that ratio may go down. But at this time, to be on the conservative side, we feel that about 2% allowance is appropriate and conservative.

And Lana, another thing I'd add is, we've had pretty good growth on the noncovered side, the portfolio where we are adding an allowance to. Because as you recall on the covered side, we have the discount. So with that growth engine still being there, that's another reason why we have continued to maintain that allowance. Although, obviously, you're correct, the overall kind of credit performance has improved.

Okay. And just one follow-up for Dominic on his comments on the trade finance and seeing more coming from financing exporters. Are you seeing any slowdown with your customer base in California with potential slow down over in China, and what the risks are there both on the import and export side?

Well, I think, in terms of the slowdown in China at this point, we do not expect much slowdown from our customer side because what's happening right now is that, while maybe specific individual customers may have a slower sales revenue due to whatever the economic, so consensus that's happening, whether it's from U.S. or Greater China region or even to a much smaller extent for us, like the European zone and so forth. Overall, we are picking up more clients, and we are picking up more -- basically, we are gaining more market share, specifically from the export side. When we are gaining more market share, I think in terms of the total number of customers keep increasing. So from the East West loan growth opportunity, I think we see the next 6 months will be pretty certain that we will be growing. But individual-to-individual customer basis, there is always some minor, like a slowdown here and there. Frankly, I looked at this point, in China, despite the fact that there are a lot of discussion about China slowing down, the fact is everything is pretty much by design from the government. And so all along, I think over a year ago, the government wanted to take this double-digit growth on GDP down to 8%. So now it's about 7.6%. If you round it out, it's right around 8%. So it's still within the boundary of what the government intention. And in addition to that, I think that when you have a one-party political system and then change leadership every 10 years, they are much more conducive to make adjustment more quickly without any -- so figuring between a partisanship on 2-party system. So therefore, I think that if the market slow down even further, without a doubt, the…

And our next question is from Jen Demba of SunTrust Robinson Humphrey.

It sounds like you're going to finish up your current buyback authorization in the third quarter. Do you have any plans to re-up that as we go into next year?

Yes, Jennifer, we do. We are not planning to do any more buyback for the remaining of the year. Every year, in the beginning of the year, in January, where we evaluate how much dividend we're going to pay and do more repurchase. So our plan right now is that, most likely we'll increase the dividend from $0.40 to $0.60 a year and then do another $200 million buyback in 2013.

And our next question is from Julianna Balicka of KBW. Julianna Balicka - Keefe, Bruyette, & Woods, Inc., Research Division: I have a follow-up question on the prepayment -- potential prepayment of the repo financing. You had said that the penalties right now are too expensive, but what are your views in terms of extending the duration of some of that funding in order to lower the interest rate?

We have done some expansions. So we will evaluate, but most likely, we'll stay with the current structure. The reason that it would not make sense to prepay the repo is because it has the optionality, unlike Federal Home Loan Bank advances, there's no optionality. So the prepayment penalty is just a straight present value of the difference in the interest rate. So the likelihood for us to prepay the repo may not be very high because it's very expensive. Julianna Balicka - Keefe, Bruyette, & Woods, Inc., Research Division: Okay, that makes sense. And then in terms of just a housekeeping question. I'm sorry if I missed this earlier in your remarks. What was the scheduled accretion in your interest income this quarter? And what is the remaining accretive accretion that you're expecting to run through earnings?

Julianna, so normally, what we forecast is about $15 million in a quarter. The remain -- it was a little bit more than that but again, around there, last quarter was a little bit -- it was more than that as well, which is one of the reasons that the NIM was higher last quarter. As of June 30, the net accretable yield that we have, income is about $125 million. Julianna Balicka - Keefe, Bruyette, & Woods, Inc., Research Division: Okay, very good. That makes sense. And then a final question, if I may. You talked previously about some loans that you were making in China that were providing you good loan growth that you had to get your quota reauthorized. So -- do you know if you've gotten that, or what's the timing of that?

Julianne, can you repeat? You are -- yes, because you are breaking up here.

Can you repeat your question? Is this something about China? Julianna Balicka - Keefe, Bruyette, & Woods, Inc., Research Division: Yes, there were some loans that you're making in China previously where you had reached your quota, and then the government was reissuing new quota so you can continue making those kind of loans again -- I thought that they were attached collateralized -- kind of currency transfer, I'm trying to remember.

What is the question? Julianna Balicka - Keefe, Bruyette, & Woods, Inc., Research Division: Have you gotten the new quota or what?

So [indiscernible] saying -- so we couldn't do more. The fact is there was -- I think the Chinese government most likely is kind of experimenting this -- the opening up the renminbi currency. And so that this cross-border guarantee transaction that they're encouraging banks to do is something that they've started in 2011. And so far, we're not getting any more. So therefore, we are kind of stuck in, not able to continue to -- much more than that what we did before.

And then next, we have a question from Herman Chan of Wells Fargo.

I wanted to revisit the covered loans a little bit. On the remaining outflow expected on the covered loans side, how much do you think could be renewed and become a future noncovered loan?

Well, for those good customers, we will continue to retain those customers. So by the end of 2014 when the loss share expires, they'll become uncovered loans. Because right now, even if we renew beyond 2014, it will continue to be covered and then they'll become a noncovered loans when the loss share expires in November 2014 for the UCB loans.

Yes, Herman, as of June 30, we had $3.4 billion in covered loans, net of a discount of about $615 million. I think it's easy when you look at that as well as you're projecting out is in those -- in that covered portfolio, the construction, the land loans realistically, those probably will not be with at them and the loss share. And then, we gave a pretty good disclosure on our 10-Qs. I don't have it in front of me, but we could talk about it offline as well. If you look at the substandard loans within that category, the expectation will be some of those. We'd work out before loss share ends, so if there's any charge-offs or losses, we take that during the period when we have loss share and get reimbursed from the FDIC on those as well. But the other categories, single-family and multifamily, CRE, C&I, those are categories where we feel -- for the good quality customers, we try to retain them all.

Got it. And I just wanted to revisit your capital. You mentioned that under Basel III, Tier 1 common ratio of 13%, that's almost double the minimum requirement plus the capital conservation buffer. Given these excess capital levels, can you refresh us on the priorities of capital management in light of the low-yield environment?

Yes, that's -- our plan is each year, we will evaluate how much dividend that we should pay and do a buyback if we have excess capital. So our plan for January 2013 is to increase the dividend from $0.40 to $0.60 a year and do another $200 million buyback. So those total -- is approximately 100% payout for the 2012 for the previous year earnings.

And the next question is from Gary Tenner of D.A. Davidson. Gary P. Tenner - D.A. Davidson & Co., Research Division: You touched on a couple of questions. Just wanted to revisit the student loan sale. That came out of the held for sale portfolio, I imagine, and that would explain the decline in that line item. Are the student loan sales, is that typically an annual event? Or that -- is that sort of an ongoing action?

I would say more opportunistic. When there's a good opportunity, we will do that. It's not necessarily an annual or a quarterly event. We'll evaluate each time.

Well, it's a combination. One is that, we, on an ongoing basis, we've been having a pretty good opportunity to acquire student loans at a pretty decent yield. And so what we do is that, we also do not wanted to have student loans via -- I mean, as we continue to find opportunity to generate student loans, we would not wanted to have student loans to exceed a certain percentage of our overall loan portfolio. So while we are building up the student loan portfolio into a certain size, we will always look for opportunity to downsize it back into a certain percentage so that we have proper asset allocation in terms of creating the loan diversification. So on one, we don't have any pressure or any reason that we have to sell these student loans. If we have to exceed a certain percentage of the allocation, it's not big -- there's no big deal. But on the other hand, when we get good price, we might as well sell down some of the student loans, so that will allow us to get back to the asset allocation percentage that we originally intend. So to a certain degree, it's opportunistic to see good price out there. But on the other hand, it's also a discipline on asset allocation. Gary P. Tenner - D.A. Davidson & Co., Research Division: Okay, so the reduction though in the held-for-sale portfolio shouldn't be viewed as any sort of slowdown in production or origination in any part of your loan book particularly?

That's right because those are all government-guaranteed student loans that we're purchasing, Gary. In the current kind of run rate, we're buying probably about $40 million on a monthly basis. Gary P. Tenner - D.A. Davidson & Co., Research Division: Okay. And would you consider, as you're trying to figure out sort of reinvestment of your securities cash flows, keeping some of the government guaranteed portions of your SBA as opposed to selling those as an alternative to reinvesting in low-yielding mortgage backs or anything like that?

We also evaluate. Sometimes if the pricing is very good and makes sense for us to sell the guaranteed portion. Gary P. Tenner - D.A. Davidson & Co., Research Division: Okay. And then just one last question. Does your guidance for the remainder of this year include the remaining repurchase authorization of that $50 million?

Gary, it does. It's a small amount, it does include that. Gary P. Tenner - D.A. Davidson & Co., Research Division: It does include that. Okay, very good.

Yes. It's just a $50 million. The impact would be small.

The next question is from Brett Rabatin of Sterne Agee. Brett D. Rabatin - Sterne Agee & Leach Inc., Research Division: I wanted to make sure I understood the magnitude of what you're dealing from a liquidity to the securities portfolio perspective, what you're buying. And then also, I wanted to see if you could provide any color around any additional pressure that could occur in the liquidity yields from the Chinese rate cuts. I know you have some liquidity over there from that. Can you address those things?

Yes, Brett, so why don't I start with a question about the liquidity. We do have -- in China, we do have a certain amount of liquidity in China. We have placements in other banks in China. It's about $400 million. And the yields on those are fairly attractive. That's why you can see for us cash and cash equivalents, the short-term investments, the yield for the quarter, 1.5%. It's pretty high, especially relative to rates are in the U.S. The rate environment is just simply different in China, Rates are higher, and that's why the loan rates are higher and the CD costs are higher as well. Brett D. Rabatin - Sterne Agee & Leach Inc., Research Division: Well, I guess, as it relates to that, my question is does the liquidity yield going forward have any additional pressure as a result of any additional or any change in the China rates? And then also, I just wanted to make sure I understood what you're doing in terms of the securities book of deploying liquidity into the securities book, what the magnitude is and what kind of -- whether you want to look at it from a total revenue perspective or just a margin perspective? How you're looking at that?

Sure. I think, as it turned out for the second quarter, we had sale activities, certain securities were called. So it happened that as of June 30, we had excess liquidity. Certainly, we'll be reinvesting some of that in securities, primarily shorter duration. Probably we're thinking probably about 1% or so is the yield that we would achieve.

At this time, given that even though most people expect that low interest rates will stay for some time, there's no reason for us to take interest with risk because rates can go up very quickly. And as a result, we are actually even reducing the duration from 2.5 years to 1.5 years. So we feel very, very comfortable if rates were to move up very quickly, that we will not get hurt from holding longer duration investment securities. Brett D. Rabatin - Sterne Agee & Leach Inc., Research Division: All right, no, I understand the desire not to take additional interest rate risk. I guess I'm just trying to make sure. There wasn't any other reasons why you had excess liquidity during the quarter other than you did sell some securities, correct?

Right. Yes, it's just a timing. We have not invested the proceeds.

[Operator Instructions] And our next question is from Mike Turner of Compass Point. Michael Turner - Compass Point Research & Trading, LLC, Research Division: Just kind of a follow-up to earlier questions. I mean, when I look at results, expenses are down and credit is getting better. Loan growth is better than peers, and deposit growth is great. So it just seems like your business is running on all cylinders. And up until now, the low-end rate environment, you've been able to -- net interest income has really kind of defied the environment. As you look out over the next 2 years, what's sort of your thoughts on the ability to continue to grow through that? Or is it really just sort of a -- it's a fact of the environment and rates are too low to be able to do that, particularly given that a big portion of your liabilities, it's just not even economical to refinance them.

I think in terms of net interest margin, the next 2 years, interest rates are staying this low. There's a likelihood that the NIM, maybe like reduce to 3.8%, 3.9%. But as far as the income, the growth on our loan portfolio will offset the NIM reduction for us to continue to maintain the strong core profitability. But it will get harder as the time goes by because the interest rates are just so low and -- but in the meantime, we continue to build our core deposit, our noninterest-bearing deposits now at 22% of the total deposits will someday give us that earnings leverage once the interest rates go up.

Yes, I think that there's still plenty of room for us to make improvement while we continue to execute our business strategy. A good example is that, it's only a couple of years ago, I mean, our time deposit is 60-some odd percent of total deposits. It's now down to 40-some odd percent. Now if we keep working on it, working on it, we will get it down to even maybe even 30% or something. So as much as interest rate may continue to remain low, if we just convert these like time deposit to core deposit, and when it comes to the asset side, when we look at diversifying a loan portfolio and look at various industries that allow East West to be able to offer better service and with a decent yield instead of competing with every single bank in town for the same customer and drive our pricing down, I think that just making sure we're focusing the right type of industry that we will be able to add value, that we will be able to charge a decent amount of loan rate. And then controlling more deposit from time to core, we will be able to continue to help strengthen the margin. Now in addition to that, when it comes out, margin is just a mean to an end. What we really want is to get some good core profitability that we can grow year-in, year-out. So my view is that, as much as we like to have a strong margin because it's a good mean to a good end, that's not the end game because we can always increase volume of production and maintain cost at the same level and using volume to generate very strong core profitability, even margin strengths a little. So I…

Yes, I think that's part of it as well -- that's part of it. And then also obviously, the securities, there was a shift because a lot of it was in cash as well.

This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would now like to turn the conference back over to Dominic Ng for our closing remarks.

Well, thank you, all, for joining us for today's call, and I look forward to talking to you in October.

The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.