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Five Below, Inc. (FIVE)

Q1 2023 Earnings Call· Thu, Jun 1, 2023

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Operator

Operator

Good day and welcome to the Five Below First Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Christiane Pelz, VP of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Christiane Pelz

Analyst

Thanks, Sarah and good afternoon, everyone. Thanks for joining us today for Five Below's first quarter 2023 financial results conference call. On today's call are Joel Anderson, President and Chief Executive Officer; and Ken Bull, Chief Operating Officer; Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer. After management has made their formal remarks, we will open the call to questions. I need to remind you that certain comments made during this call may constitute forward-looking statements and are made pursuant to and within the meaning of the safe harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 as amended. Such forward-looking statements are subject to both known and unknown risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from such statements. Those risks and uncertainties are described in the press release and our SEC filings. The forward-looking statements made today are as of the date of this call and we do not undertake any obligation to update our forward-looking statements. If you do not have a copy of today's press release, you may obtain 1 by visiting the Investor Relations page of our website at fivebelow.com. I will now turn the call over to Joel.

Joel Anderson

Analyst

Thank you, Christiane and thanks, everyone, for joining us for our first quarter 2023 earnings call. We were pleased to achieve first quarter results in line with our guidance, with sales growth of approximately 14% to $726 million and a transaction-driven 2.7% comp sales increase. It continues to be a challenging time for consumers with persistent inflation, lower tax refunds and fewer government-sponsored benefits compared to the stimulus fueled periods of the pandemic. However, being an extreme value trend-right retailer, we continue to attract and retain more customers and grow our comparable transactions in both converted and non-converted stores. Our transaction increase of 3.9% was the highest since 2017, excluding the stimulus fuel period during the pandemic and is a strong indicator that Five Below is a destination customers rely on even in tougher economic times. We are a resilient retailer with a flexible model and we continue to play offense, opening new stores and quickly reacting to customer needs to bring them the WOW products that they want at amazing values, while also executing against our strategic pillars to achieve our triple double growth. On product and trends, we saw continued popularity of a broad variety of trends across our worlds in Squish, Hello Kitty, Anime, Collectibles and our version of consumables, including candy, snacks and beverages in our Candy World and also beauty items and accessories in our style world. The new Super Mario movie released in April was a hit and we sold through tees, posters and other items and quickly procured more. It is nice to see licenses emerging again. For Easter, we had great baskets and candy at extreme value that resonated with our customers. The broad-based results of our worlds demonstrate the relevancy of our products. All through the quarter, we made progress across…

Kenneth Bull

Analyst

Thanks, Joel and good afternoon, everyone. I will begin my remarks with a review of our first quarter results and then provide guidance for the second quarter and the full year. Our sales for the first quarter of 2023 increased 13.5% to $726.2 million from $639.6 million reported in the first quarter of 2022. On a 4-year basis since 2019, total sales for the first quarter this year increased by an approximate 19% compounded annual growth rate. Comparable sales increased by 2.7% with a comp transaction increase of 3.9%, partially offset by a comp ticket decline of 1.2%. We opened 27 new stores across 19 states in the first quarter compared to 35 new stores opened in the first quarter last year and continue to be very pleased with the productivity of our new locations. We ended the quarter with 1,367 stores, an increase of 142 stores or approximately 12% versus 1,225 stores at the end of the first quarter of 2022. Gross profit for the first quarter of 2023 increased 13.6% to $234.8 million versus $206.8 million in the first quarter of 2022. As expected, gross margin of 32.3% was flat versus the first quarter of 2022. As a percentage of sales, SG&A for the first quarter of 2023 increased approximately 80 basis points to 26.5% versus last year's first quarter, driven primarily by a planned increase in marketing expense as well as higher costs and certain store-related expenses. As a result, operating profit finished at $42.4 million versus $42.3 million in the first quarter of 2022, while operating margin decreased approximately 80 basis points to 5.8% as expected. Net interest income was $3.65 million as compared to a net other expense of $237,000 in the first quarter of 2022 as our investment income benefited from rising interest rates.…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Simeon Gutman with Morgan Stanley.

Simeon Gutman

Analyst

My one question with no extra parts is every -- literally every company across the retail landscape that we follow, whether they're selling to lower income or higher income, guided strain on the consumer basket pressure, some weakness. So I'm curious, Joel, if you can give us some insight into your quarter, the cadence of it, seeing if we're over a hump in terms of your customer and an insight on how your customer is sort of handling it in terms of basket and visits just as a way to sort of gauge if we can expect the steadiness going forward.

Joel Anderson

Analyst

Yes. Simeon and it's a great question. I don't know that I could say that our customers over it but I would say that the indication of such a strong transaction-led quarter for us, probably indicates that like we've seen multiple times, when times are tough for our customer, they have to rebalance their balance sheet, figure out their spending patterns again and Five Below becomes part of their new routines. And so clearly, that showed up in transactions. Look, as far as the quarter goes, we were really pleased with Easter and like many called post Easter was a softening. So I think we're seeing trends get back to more normal pre-pandemic where the customer buys closer to the events. We certainly saw that with Easter. We've seen it with Mother's Day. That trend happened last year with things like Halloween and there's no reason that, that wouldn't continue to happen. We see the end of the month cycle with -- at the end of the month, the sales get softer, then they really pick up in the beginning of the month. So all that, we've got many, many years of following that and we're really kind of getting back to trends that we saw closer to last year. Look, we're trend right, we're extreme value, we believe that the last place customers cut out are their kids. And so all that should bode well in tough times as well as in really strong times. So quarter was on the soft end of it but we've definitely seen an improvement here. And I think that the peak of the headwinds are behind us.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Scot Ciccarelli with Truist.

Scot Ciccarelli

Analyst · Truist.

Scot Ciccarelli. I guess my question is, we've had declines in average ticket for several quarters now. Just given the growth in Five Beyond, I guess the question is, at what point would you expect average ticket to shift into positive territory given the current environment?

Joel Anderson

Analyst · Truist.

Thanks, Scot. You've seen declines but they've been pretty small. And I think it's important to remind everybody, post-pandemic, we saw extreme increases in ticket. And so while there's been some declines, they still are much higher than they were pre-pandemic and double-digit increases. So it has ticked down. I think that's a sign that customer is being very discerning in what they put in their basket. But at the same time, I think where the positivity for Five Beyond really is proving to play out is on trips. So that shows up in transactions. We're just 1 more reason to come visit Five Below, there's another reason. I don't know, Ken, anything else to add?

Kenneth Bull

Analyst · Truist.

No. I think you hit it on the Five Beyond, Scot. Early on, we've talked about this and we're still seeing it. It's really driving an increase in transactions. I think it's somewhat in the newness of the store when the customer comes in and they see that. That may change because we're still early in this but at least out of the gate, we're seeing that increase on the transaction side versus ticket.

Operator

Operator

Next question comes from Matthew Boss with J.P. Morgan [ph].

Matthew Boss

Analyst

Congrats on a nice quarter. So Joel, could you expand on the broad-based performance that you're seeing across world and just the drivers behind the material improvement in transaction count? And then, Ken, with store productivity, the best in 2 years, could you just elaborate on the performance of some of the new builds and speak to the acceleration decisions that you made around new stores and conversion?

Joel Anderson

Analyst

Yes. Look, Matt, the performance was really 7 out of our 8 worlds where extremely strong, all positive. Really the only world that's running negative comps is tech and I think that's pretty much across the marketplace. But really led by our version of consumables. I mean, candy, snack, beverages, HPA [ph] those were the leaders of the quarter. But the fact that 7 out of our 8 worlds were positive, it shows you the customer really shopped our entire offering.

Kenneth Bull

Analyst

Yes. And then, Matt, on the store productivity, you're right. We've seen in some recent quarters back to that kind of 90, 90-plus store productivity performance which we're happy to see. Joel actually called out this quarter a couple of stores, again, hitting [ph] records for spring grand opening performance. And if you look at our guidance, if you do the math around that, we do expect that to continue as we move forward to get back to that 90% productivity as we move through the year.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from David Bellinger with ROTH MKM.

David Bellinger

Analyst · ROTH MKM.

On the leases you recently acquired, it looks like you picked up maybe 18 of those from a home furnishings retailer no longer in operation. And those store sizes look to have a little more square footage than your typical box looks like most of them are in excess of 10,000 square feet. So is there any thought or testing around maybe a slightly larger store format and including not just a wider selection of product but maybe some additional space for Five Beyond?

Joel Anderson

Analyst · ROTH MKM.

Yes. Thanks, David. The majority were picked up from Tuesday morning. And whether it's 10,000, 11,000, it's an immaterial difference to us. We've got plenty of stores out there that have a little extra square footage. What I would tell you about the prototype is we continue to innovate with our prototype. I mean the original Five Below prototype was only 4,000 to 5,000 square feet. Then we create the 7,500 square foot which was when I got here and we've slowly grown it now close to 10,000. And the way we've set up Five Beyond, David, is we can continue to grow Five Beyond. All we have to do is keep pushing that back wall back. And so it's only limited by our merchants coming up with rituals and milestones are growing up that they think we can build a classification out of. I think pet [ph] is a great example, one that we've built over the last few years. But as of this point in time, we are really more focused on these next couple of years of massive conversions to the current prototype that we shared with all of you down in Pembroke in Florida. But it's not to say down the road, there's an opportunity to keep growing the prototype.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Jeremy Hamblin with Craig-Hallum Capital Group.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · Craig-Hallum Capital Group.

This is Jack Cole [ph] on for Jeremy. So similar to the first question, we've also heard widely across retail pressure from shrinkage but you guys saw your GMs flat year-over-year as you expected. So just any comments on any impacts you guys saw from shrink in the quarter? And if so, could you quantify it just in terms of bps?

Joel Anderson

Analyst · Craig-Hallum Capital Group.

Yes. Look, shrink is definitely something that's impacted retail. We're no exclusion to it. We trued that up last year and it had an impact on our fourth quarter we are accruing at the higher rates this year and doing things on our part to mitigate shrink. We've changed our return policy as an example. I don't know, Ken, anything else on shrink?

Kenneth Bull

Analyst · Craig-Hallum Capital Group.

No, I think, Jack, we're -- as Joel mentioned, we're focusing on preventative measures around shrink. I mean at this point, we're not experiencing anything materially different than what we saw at the end of last year when we did a lot of our physical inventories. And as Joel mentioned, that higher rate that we came out of last year with has been included in the guidance that we provided for the quarter.

Joel Anderson

Analyst · Craig-Hallum Capital Group.

It's all baked into this year's guidance at a higher rate.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Michael Lasser with UBS.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · UBS.

This is Atul [ph] on for Michael Lasser. We have a question on Five Beyond. Are you still getting a mid-single-digit lift from the Five Beyond remodels? And is there any risk that the lift moderates from here given the macro backdrop?

Joel Anderson

Analyst · UBS.

That lift has been consistent and we're seeing that continue in the stores that we first converted and in the stores that have just recently converted. So we see that lift almost immediately and it has continued throughout. But that's -- we're extreme value and the customer loves what they're seeing in Five Beyond and that mid-single digit continues to be the forecast we expect.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from John Heinbockel with Guggenheim Securities.

John Heinbockel

Analyst · Guggenheim Securities.

Joel, 2 quick things. Number one, the acceleration of the Five Beyond conversions, can you accelerate it further meaning do more than $400 million this year and accelerate it next year? And then secondly, your current thoughts on the tech world reset how you feel about that and the ability because you called that out, can that now move us back into positive territory in that category?

Joel Anderson

Analyst · Guggenheim Securities.

Yes, John. Great question. Technically, we could accelerate conversions. However, I would tell you, the people that do our conversions are also the same team that does our new stores. And so it was purposeful this year that we front-end loaded our conversions. As you can tell, our new stores are back-end loaded this year. And so that team is really planning to wrap up conversions here by the end of Q2 to really focus on the back half new stores. I mean, this is a record back half opening for us. It's going to be about 1/3, 2/3 front half and the back half. And so that's probably the primary reason we're not accelerating them. But we've got a -- we feel the 400 are getting done. We feel really strong about them and then we'll pick those right back up starting in the beginning of the year. And as far as TechWorld goes; yes, we've seen some improvement from that. We've got an even bigger reset coming early this fall. I think there's a lot of rumors out and some changes happening with the Apple release. It will be positive for us. And I think you'll really see the improvements as we get into the second half of Q3 and certainly, the all-important fourth quarter.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Edward Kelly with Wells Fargo.

Edward Kelly

Analyst · Wells Fargo.

I wanted to ask you about the comp cadence. The Q2 comparison seemed like it was going to be your easier comparison of the year on a multiyear basis. Based upon how you're guiding, I think it implies a little bit of an acceleration in the back half; so just thoughts around that. And then, as we think about holiday, generally; Joel, in terms of like product standpoint, things that you're excited about from a holiday perspective and I know it's early but sort of like what you're expecting for the season?

Joel Anderson

Analyst · Wells Fargo.

Ed, on the comp, I think the acceleration, I think you've got to really look at it more on the 4-year geo stacks. And if you look at the 4-year total sales CAGR, the first half comp is very similar to the second half comp. And I think what we forecasted for Q2 is very in line; take the midpoint of that is dead on in line with where we came out of Q1. And then, the back half of the year, I'm not ready at this point to really talk about trends we're chasing, things that we're really excited about. That's something that we -- at this point in time, you can appreciate we want to keep that a little closer but we're pretty excited about some things we're seeing for the back half.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Jason Haas with Bank of America.

Jason Haas

Analyst · Bank of America.

Can you talk about how May is running to date versus the 2% to 3% comp guide that you gave for 2Q? And then can you just remind us what the compares look like as you move through 2Q. I think May was one of the softer months last year. So, declares [ph] get harder through the quarter?

Kenneth Bull

Analyst · Bank of America.

Sure. Thanks, Jason. Normally, we don't provide intra-quarter activity. But I can tell you that when we prepare our guidance for current quarter, we consider where we are and then we look forward to see if there's anything, any changes in the business or expectations or anomalies anniversaries from last year. So relatively in line with what we're guiding to in terms of that 2% to 3%. You mentioned the kind of changes in the business last year as we moved through the quarter, it was relatively consistent, possibly a slight deceleration last year based on some of the things that were going on around the customer and inflation. But that's kind of what we're thinking now in terms of the guidance for Q2.

Joel Anderson

Analyst · Bank of America.

But pretty much all 3 quarters -- all 3 months in Q2 last year were relatively in line with each other from a comp perspective.

Kenneth Bull

Analyst · Bank of America.

Yes, from a comp perspective.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Brian Nagel with Oppenheimer.

Brian Nagel

Analyst · Oppenheimer.

Nice quarter. Just -- not to be nitpicking but as you look at the guidance, you did take the, I guess, the top end of the annual comp guidance down by 1 point. So what's behind that? Is it something you're seeing now some new expectation in the back half of the year is something more mechanical?

Kenneth Bull

Analyst · Oppenheimer.

Yes, Brian, when you look at the full year comp guidance, our previous guidance was a 1% to 4% comp. And then we moved to a 1 to 3 sort of right we brought the high end of that comp down. That really just reflects the expected performance, if you look out in the first half of the year. And as I mentioned in my prepared remarks, the second half comps imply a range of low single digits. And somewhat similar to what we had talked about on our first call earlier in the year, that low end for the second half would assume some type of deterioration in the say the macro consumer environment and then the high end would assume some slight acceleration on some of those tailwinds that Joel mentioned in his prepared remarks around increased conversions that we're doing, more effective marketing and things like that.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Kate McShane with Goldman Sachs.

Kate McShane

Analyst · Goldman Sachs.

A lot of our questions have been answered already. But we wonder to the extent that you can, is there any way to quantify maybe a trade down or just what if he had any more higher-end consumer shopping Five Below in the first quarter?

Joel Anderson

Analyst · Goldman Sachs.

Yes, Kate. And I thought since all the questions were answered, you were going to ask how I was doing or something. But I'll answer the trade-down question instead. No, honestly, we haven't seen anything that is significant on that one. We continue to see our lower-end customer spending more with us. But we are seeing transaction increases across the board. But it's still -- like our core customer is still really dependent on us. And I think if anything, they're probably spending more of their discretionary dollars with us but nothing significant yet on the trade downside.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Karen Short with Credit Suisse.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · Credit Suisse.

This is Dan Silverstein [ph] on Karen's team. Just 2 really quick ones; first, on the strong transaction growth. Are you able to assess how much of the contribution is from new customers versus existing customers shopping more frequently? I know you guys have done a lot of work on leveraging customer data. So any comments on your consumer behavior would be helpful. And then really quickly, can you just qualitatively speak to what you're planning to in terms of margins for 3Q versus 4Q? Just to get some help with the timing of lapping freight.

Joel Anderson

Analyst · Credit Suisse.

Look, on the transaction side and then, Ken, you can talk about margins. It's actually Dan both. We're seeing it both in the form of new customers and existing customers coming in more often. So that's really nice to see both an improvement in new customers as well as our existing customers visiting us more often. Ken, do you want to take it.

Kenneth Bull

Analyst · Credit Suisse.

And Dan, yes, on the operating margin leverage, I'll just kind of start with in my prepared remarks. On the full year, so just we expect slight operating margin leverage. We're guiding the second quarter to about a 70 basis point deleverage. So the back half of the year will be operating margin leverage that we're going to see Q4 is going to be from what we're looking at now, slightly more operating leverage than Q3. And when you get into the numbers there, the third quarter gross margin leverage is probably going to be double that of the operating margin leverage for that quarter. And when you get into Q4, again, with the freight cost benefit and some of these other things going on, the deleverage around in SG&A, we're probably going to see gross margin leverage in excess of 150 basis points in Q4 and SG&A deleverage probably just a little bit less than 150 basis points.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Paul Lejuez.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

This is Kelly [ph] on for Paul. Just on the first just want to first ask on the licensing business that they hear you're seeing that category improved. Just curious how big that business is for you today versus maybe peak or even pre-COVID levels? And what is kind of coming down the pipeline that's got you excited? And then just to I can circle back -- just as a follow-up on the back half guidance. Just curious if there's any difference in 3Q to 4Q? Or we just sort of plugging in that 2%-ish comp in the fourth quarter as well?

Joel Anderson

Analyst

Look, I think the -- Kelly, the comment on license, it's really been nonexistent for 3 years. And some of that's because movies has been pretty much nonexistent since COVID. It's still very small. It was really nice to, I think, Super Mario surprised us but it still wasn't -- it didn't have a material impact on the business. But it does give us hope that some of the movies coming out this year are going to turn into licenses. It's just an example of another trend that's back as they appear, we'll take advantage of them. And Ken, on the back half?

Kenneth Bull

Analyst

Yes. And on the Kelly, on the back half, if you're looking at the modeling, the -- from a comp perspective, the way we're seeing it now really in both Q3 and Q4, we're assuming a low single-digit positive comp for both of those quarters. And then from an operating margin perspective, again, we would expect to see leverage in both Q3 and Q4. And the way we're looking at it now, Q4 is -- looks like it's achieving slightly more leverage than Q3.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Steve McManus with BNP Navis.

Steve McManus

Analyst · BNP Navis.

So on gross margins, we recognize that Five Below version of consumables is unique but is there any mix shift impacts working through the P&L that's worth noting?

Joel Anderson

Analyst · BNP Navis.

I don't think anything material worth noting. We've seen this shift now for over a year and it continues to tick up. But it's -- it's not a material shift a point here, a point there. And like we always do, I mean, we chase trends and so you see one area go up and another area go down. But it's not so significant that it's moving 1,000 basis points or something like that.

Operator

Operator

Thanks, Steve. Our next question comes from Chuck Grom with Gordon Haskett.

Chuck Grom

Analyst · Gordon Haskett.

Most of my questions have been answered. So I guess, how you do and Joel will be my first one. And the second would be I guess just bigger picture. You guys have been talking about tokenization for a while. I guess at what point do we take that to a loyalty program? And just maybe some observations on what you've learned so far.

Joel Anderson

Analyst · Gordon Haskett.

Just trying to lighten the mood a little bit. Thanks, Chuck. No, look, tokenizations firmly implemented now I think we are at the point of starting to explore loyalty. Some of that probably just got put on hold because we for 3 years, it's just been COVID and then supply chain and then inflation and the teams have just been so busy dealing with mix shifts and product changes and all that. But the next logical step, Chuck, is really to -- now that we've got some of the base in place to start looking at putting in a loyalty program, I think you got to look at it as '25, not '24 and we'll certainly keep you all updated as we start to put that in place. But the groundwork has been laid and as we continue to see more normalization of our business and we're back to playing offense as I called out for several reasons. That's one that is on the pipeline.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Krisztina Katai with Deutsche Bank.

Krisztina Katai

Analyst · Deutsche Bank.

Just a quick follow-up to some of the strength that you're seeing in traffic. Are you doing anything differently, I guess, merchandise either price point wise? I know you picked candy snacks and HVA performed, particularly the best. But how do you view the opportunity to further capitalize on a potentially weaker consumer environment now that you're doing a lot more data analytical work?

Joel Anderson

Analyst · Deutsche Bank.

Yes. Thanks, Krisztina. Look, the one thing that's been consistent since the beginning and is something we're really probably even more focused now is really delivering value and specifically in the $1 to $3 range. You walk in our stores now, there's a 16-foot wall. It's all a buck. And I think that is really resonating with the customers. And so while we talk a lot about the growth opportunity and Five Beyond on these calls, the core behind Five Below is not only the $5 WOW product but right now, the customer is really resonating with the $1, $2, $3 product. And certainly, candy and snack we have a larger majority in that price point but take a look at the 16-foot wall we got in our stores now that's all priced at $1. And that is value at its extreme and it's really resonating well with the customer. Thanks, Krisztina.

Operator

Operator

This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Joel Anderson for any closing remarks.

Joel Anderson

Analyst

Thank you, everybody, for joining us today. Let me just close by reiterating what I said earlier in my closing prepared remarks. We truly are accelerating our offensive playbook I'll reiterate, we are going to open 200-plus new stores this year. We will complete over 400 conversions. We will capitalize on an improved supply chain. We already have a strong pipeline of new stores for 2024. And as you've heard today from both Ken and I, our growth prospects at Five Below are strong. I hope you all have a great summer and make sure you visit our stores and for all your summer fun. Thanks very much and have a great night.

Operator

Operator

The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.