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Helios Technologies, Inc. (HLIO)

Q2 2018 Earnings Call· Tue, Aug 7, 2018

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Operator

Operator

Greetings ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Helios Technologies Second Quarter 2018 Financial Results. At this time all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Ms. Karen Howard, Investor Relations for Helios Technologies. Thank you, you may begin.

Karen Howard

Analyst

Thank you, Jen, and good morning, everyone. We certainly appreciate your time today for our Second quarter 2018 financial results conference call. On the line with me are Wolfgang Dangel, our President and Chief Executive Officer; and Tricia Fulton, our Chief Financial Officer. Wolfgang and Tricia will be reviewing the results that were published in the press release distributed after yesterday's market close. If you do not have that release, it's available on our website at www.heliostechnologies.com. You will also find slides there that will accompany our discussions today. If you look through the slide deck on slide two, you'll find our safe harbor statement. As you may be aware, we will make some forward-looking statements during this presentation and also during the Q&A. These statements apply to future events that are subject to risks and uncertainties as well as other factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from where we are today. These risks and uncertainties and other factors are provided in the earnings release as well as other documents filed by the company with the Securities and Exchange Commission. These documents can be found at our website or at www.sec.gov. I also want to point out that during today's call, we will discuss some non-GAAP financial measures, which we believe are useful in evaluating our performance. You should not consider the presentation of this additional information in isolation or as a substitute for results prepared in accordance with GAAP. We have provided reconciliations of comparable GAAP and non-GAAP measures in the tables that accompany today's earnings release as well as in the slides. Wolfgang will get started with some highlights for the quarter. Tricia will go through the details of our financial results, and then we'll turn it back to Wolfgang for his perspective on our outlook before we open up the line for questions and answers. And with that, it's now my pleasure to introduce Wolfgang.

Wolfgang Dangel

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question

Thank you, Karen. Good morning, everyone. I’ll start on slide three. Our team members around the globe have been working very diligently to advance our Vision 2025, within those our historic businesses, as well as our more recently acquired businesses. Before I get into our results, I just want to highlight yesterday morning’s announcement, that we have changed our corporate business name to Helios Technologies, in alignment with our Vision 2025. This is an important strategic step as we are evolving. As we now have several operating companies under our umbrella, the holding structure provides the payment with an identity that is independent from our operating brand. It is important that the very well-known Sun Hydraulics name and strong brand will remain, but going forward it will represent our cartridge valve technology business only. So we will now use the Helios Technologies name when referring to the entire organization under the parent holding company. Our shares will continue to trade, using the same ticker symbol SNHY. Now let me give you an update on our business progress. This is the first quarter that we’ll include the results of the Faster Group. To remind you, Faster is a global leader in quick release couplers for hydraulic applications. As previously announced, we acquired this Northern Italy based business on April 5th, just about the beginning of our second quarter. It carried a purchase price of about $533 million. We use proceeds from our February public offering to partially fund it and we also amended our credit facility, and used some of that new debt. The amended credit facility also gives us flexibility, as we continue to grow well into the future. Our second quarter sales grew by nearly 52%, to more than $136 million, a record level for our company. Of the…

Tricia Fulton

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question

Thank you, Wolfgang and good morning, everyone. Let’s begin on slide eight with the review of our second quarter consolidated results. Sales rose 52% compared to last year’s quarter, Faster contributed 43% and our organic business sales grew 9%. Most of our products did not have any price increases so nearly all of that growth is volume. Our Sun Hydraulics price increase was effective on July 1, so it will benefit our third and fourth quarters. Foreign currency translation had a favorable $400,000 impact for the quarter. I will now touch on sales by region, which are designated here in the sales bar chart on the left. There is a table in the back of the press release as well as the supplemental slides summarizing this information. As you can see all geographic markets realized considerable year-over-year growth with the addition of Faster the EMEA region is now a larger contributor to our sales base. Sales to the Americans, EMEA and APAC regions were 50%, 32% and 18% of the consolidated total respectively. Regarding profitability our consolidated adjusted EBITDA was up 41% over last year’s second quarter to $34.9 million or 25.6% of sales. As we discussed last quarter, we continue to see margin pressure related to supply chain constraints and higher material cost. We anticipated that we would see these impacts in Q2 and to a lesser degree in Q3 and Q4. I’ll get into this more as we review the segment results on upcoming slides. Turning to the bottom line, adjusted earnings per share were $0.43, down 9% compared with last year’s second quarter. This year’s quarter includes $0.19 and $0.10 per share for amortization and interest expense respectively, compared with $0.05 and $0.02 per share for amortization, interest expense respectively in last year's second quarter. Together, these…

Wolfgang Dangel

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question

Thanks, Tricia. Please turn to slide 20. The leading indicators that are important to Helios continue to signal ongoing growth through the rest of 2018. However the rate of growth in the U.S. and all major global economies is expected to be at a slower pace of growth in late 2018. Leading indicators point to a mild recession in the next 12 to 24 months. Important to note, we have stated that in accordance with our Vision 2025 plan, we expect to outpace macroeconomic growth. This is being driven by the investments we have been making to expand our coverage in the field, increase and broaden relationship with OEM, penetrate regions where we have wide space and continue to introduce new and innovative products and solutions. Separately, we are cognizant of the potential impact of the changes related to tariff. We have begun to notify customers that if there is a negative tariff impact, we will pass it on in the form of a corresponding surcharge. Please turn to slide 21 for the thoughts regarding our outlook for Helios. Regarding our organic businesses, strong demand and our backlog give us confidence in our growth expectations for the remainder of the year. From a profitability standpoint, while certain cost pressures will continue into the third quarter, as Tricia mentioned, they are declining as a result of actions we have taken. Further, our Sun price increase, which is the first in three years is taking effect in the quarter, we are currently in and we expect that it will offset the manufacturing cost inflation, we have been burdened with, over the past couple of quarters. I want to remind you that our investments in our SEA initiatives are necessary and will continue, as we are driving top-line growth, in accordance with our…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Jeff Hammond with KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.

Jeffrey Hammond

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question

Hey, good morning.

Wolfgang Dangel

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question

Good morning, Jeff.

Tricia Fulton

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question

Good morning.

Jeffrey Hammond

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question

So really just want to dig on the hydraulic supply chain constraints. How much do you think that held back sales in the quarter? What’s kind of changing in the facilities to kind of help alleviate those supply chain constraints into the second half.

Wolfgang Dangel

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question

Yes, so let me answer the second part of the question first, Jeff. As we said already on the previous call and as we reiterated today. So we are going through basically this consolidation efforts here in terms of streamlining manufacturing, where we bring manufacturing from three campuses to two basically adjacent facilities here in Sarasota. And by doing so we are freeing up the third facility pretty much for the engineering and R&D center that we want to invest in over the next couple of years. So as I pointed out earlier on through streamlining the initiatives here on the manufacturing side that will free up additional capacity and will shorten throughput. So we can pretty much convert that in additional capacity and output for next year. So we are going through that project that is going to be completed by the beginning of the first quarter 2019.

Jeffrey Hammond

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question

Okay. And then just on the price increase, how quickly and firmly do you think you can kind a push this through into the second half? It just seems like material costs are kind of weighing on the margin. And I just want to get a better sense of how quickly you alleviate that?

Wolfgang Dangel

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question

Yes, so the price increase Jeff, that went into effect July 1st. I mean, we gave notification to channel partners and customers already six weeks in advance, so during the course of the second quarter already. So we have rolled that out. We are basically calculating on 1% to 2% net impact on sales for the balance of the year. Everything we are seeing and observing so far, I think that is going reasonably smooth; probably the 1.5% to 2% is might even be a little bit of conservative assumption.

Jeffrey Hammond

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question

Okay. And then just back on the supply chain. I think in the bridge you showed productivity as slightly positive on hydraulics. Is that -- is there an offsetting supply chain headwind there that's holding back productivity? And then as we look into the second half and you pick some of the supply chain that's a bigger tailwind?

Tricia Fulton

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question

The production costs in Q2 bridge for Hydraulics is actually a slight downside $200,000 is that the number you're referring to?

Jeffrey Hammond

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question

Yes, I guess, I was looking at the second quarter number, which was I think...

Wolfgang Dangel

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question

Yes, on slide 10 production is slightly down 0.2%.

Jeffrey Hammond

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question

Slightly down, okay. Does that number turned positive as these supply chain constraints get alleviated?

Wolfgang Dangel

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question

Yes, that number will -- that's the assumption, Jeff. That number will turn positive.

Jeffrey Hammond

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question

Okay. And then…

Wolfgang Dangel

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question

That is already a significant improvement over prior quarters. You might recall when we reported that on the bridges during the previous call. So that is depleting overtime and is expected to turn positive then.

Jeffrey Hammond

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question

Okay. And then just on the interest -- what's driving the much higher interest expense versus just last quarter?

Tricia Fulton

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question

Yes, so LIBOR has gone up faster than what we had planned in our previous guidance. We have taken on a little bit more debt as well related to Custom Fluidpower acquisition. And we have very recently entered into some swaps to fix part of the debt -- the interest rate on the debt. So initially upfront you pay a little bit more, but we believe longer term it’s the right decision to fix those rates with the swap.

Jeffrey Hammond

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question

With the swaps what's the fixed floating mix now?

Tricia Fulton

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question

It's about half and half right now.

Jeffrey Hammond

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question

Okay, great. Thanks guys.

Tricia Fulton

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Charlie Brady with SunTrust Robinson Humphrey. Please proceed with your question.

Charles Brady

Analyst · Charlie Brady with SunTrust Robinson Humphrey. Please proceed with your question

Hey, thanks good morning. Hey just on the last question on the fixed floating. What's the rate that you're fixing?

Tricia Fulton

Analyst · Charlie Brady with SunTrust Robinson Humphrey. Please proceed with your question

We're fixed -- so the grid is LIBOR plus whatever tranche we're in. So we're at 2% plus LIBOR and that fixed LIBOR is about 2.8% for five years.

Charles Brady

Analyst · Charlie Brady with SunTrust Robinson Humphrey. Please proceed with your question

Thanks, for five years. Okay. I just want to clarify on the price increase that went into effect July 1, going into Q3, does that put you price cost neutral, so that there is not a material headwind in Q3, or does that have taken to Q4 to get there?

Tricia Fulton

Analyst · Charlie Brady with SunTrust Robinson Humphrey. Please proceed with your question

It'll take until Q4 to get there, we do have some backlog that is still priced at the old pricing that needs to flow through, and that's going to flow through, hopefully majority of it in Q3. So we don't get the full impact of the price increase right away because of that. So I think we even said last quarter that we expect that the price increase will cover material costs for the entire year. So, it will take us through the end of the year to realize that uptick.

Charles Brady

Analyst · Charlie Brady with SunTrust Robinson Humphrey. Please proceed with your question

I just want to clarify that point, if you think it's going to carry for the full year, does that means -- you've been negative headwind here couple quarters for the first half of the year. Are you saying that for the full year all-in you're going to be neutral so that you actually make up everything that was in negative in the first half and part of Q3 as well?

Tricia Fulton

Analyst · Charlie Brady with SunTrust Robinson Humphrey. Please proceed with your question

Yes, that's correct.

Charles Brady

Analyst · Charlie Brady with SunTrust Robinson Humphrey. Please proceed with your question

Okay. And I guess, I didn't understand when your explanation was on the Electronics piece on the -- I guess, production it was something about moving something from that to sales engineering administrative category. Can you just repeat and clarify what you said about that?

Tricia Fulton

Analyst · Charlie Brady with SunTrust Robinson Humphrey. Please proceed with your question

Yes, part of the decrease that you see are -- increased production that you see in that bridge a pickups for the gross profit is related to a shift of people out of manufacturing overhead and into SE&A as a bit of a restructuring of that business. So the comp don't go away they just shift into SEA. That already happened for the majority of Q2.

Charles Brady

Analyst · Charlie Brady with SunTrust Robinson Humphrey. Please proceed with your question

Okay. And then one more for me, just on the price increase and you said you communicated about six weeks ago to customers. Do you think that's had any pre buy effect that might have pulled sales from the second half into the second quarter?

Wolfgang Dangel

Analyst · Charlie Brady with SunTrust Robinson Humphrey. Please proceed with your question

Yes, so just to clarify again so we communicated about six weeks prior to the date of effectiveness. So we communicated about mid of Q2. And to answer your question, yes, I assume probably that elevated order rates are a little bit, but I don't think it is substantial or material. Because we clearly see that the marketplace is very demand driven and hardware is being deployed in applications around the world as quickly as it gets available.

Charles Brady

Analyst · Charlie Brady with SunTrust Robinson Humphrey. Please proceed with your question

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from line of Mig Dobre with Robert W. Baird. Please proceed with your question.

Mig Dobre

Analyst · Mig Dobre with Robert W. Baird. Please proceed with your question

Yes. Good morning, everyone. First if I may, just a clarification on guidance I understand the revenue has reflected Custom. Can you sort of give us a sense as to what some of the other changes were for and also due to custom?

Tricia Fulton

Analyst · Mig Dobre with Robert W. Baird. Please proceed with your question

So we -- you see the increase on the Hydraulics revenues side that reflects what we believe the last five months of customs revenue will be. We also made an adjustment to line items for amortization, depreciation and interest on the additional debt that we pulled related to that. Additionally, we did adjust the adjusted operating margins down about a percent. And part of that is related to the fact that we’re bringing in custom into the fold and their operating margins are a bit lower than what the traditional Helios businesses are running. The remainder of that decrease is related to some of the challenges that we’re seeing on the gross profit side related to supply chain constraints and inefficiencies.

Mig Dobre

Analyst · Mig Dobre with Robert W. Baird. Please proceed with your question

Right. So of the 100 basis points, what would you estimate is challenges with margin versus Custom itself?

Tricia Fulton

Analyst · Mig Dobre with Robert W. Baird. Please proceed with your question

Yes, about 40% of it is Custom and 60% of it is challenges, the traditional businesses are seeing.

Mig Dobre

Analyst · Mig Dobre with Robert W. Baird. Please proceed with your question

Okay. And then on the depreciation and amortization, the increases the $2 million increases there are related to Custom acquisition?

Tricia Fulton

Analyst · Mig Dobre with Robert W. Baird. Please proceed with your question

Yes.

Mig Dobre

Analyst · Mig Dobre with Robert W. Baird. Please proceed with your question

Okay. I mean, am I to assume here that on the $20 million of revenue from Custom there was a $2 million EBITDA contribution given where the margins running?

Tricia Fulton

Analyst · Mig Dobre with Robert W. Baird. Please proceed with your question

Yes, that’s fair.

Mig Dobre

Analyst · Mig Dobre with Robert W. Baird. Please proceed with your question

Okay. I'm struggling to see exactly how this is going to be accretive then if we’re talking about incremental D&A to the tune that you talked about it something $2 million and $2 million, but I guess I'm going to take this offline to run through the numbers?

Tricia Fulton

Analyst · Mig Dobre with Robert W. Baird. Please proceed with your question

Yes, it’s not a full $2 million pickup on the amortization depreciation, I think there were some adjustments also related to the purchase accounting for Faster, especially on the amortization side and some adjustments to depreciation for the traditional business given some of the capital that’s coming on board.

Mig Dobre

Analyst · Mig Dobre with Robert W. Baird. Please proceed with your question

Okay, I see. Then maybe switching to the base business in the quarter when I'm looking at these gross margin bridges that you provide on slide 12 and what is it slide 10, which they’re really helpful, so thank you for those. If I'm excluding the material cost, production, currency acquisitions, logistics, all these items and I'm just looking at the sales volume and mix impact, it looks to me like the incremental gross margin in both Hydraulics and Electronics were quite weak, I mean, it was something like 32% in Hydraulics, 22% in the Electronics and pretty material step down from last quarter. So I'm kind of scratching my head trying to figure out exactly what happened here and what gives you sort of the visibility and the expectation that in the back half we’re going to see sort of better pull through on this particular item, sales volume and mix?

Tricia Fulton

Analyst · Mig Dobre with Robert W. Baird. Please proceed with your question

As a reminder on the Hydraulics gross profit there was a charge for inventory step up at Faster about $3.5 million that’s included I think in the number that you’re looking at.

Mig Dobre

Analyst · Mig Dobre with Robert W. Baird. Please proceed with your question

That’s included in the $1.3 million.

Tricia Fulton

Analyst · Mig Dobre with Robert W. Baird. Please proceed with your question

No it’s not included. It’s included in the calculation on the financial statements. It’s actually not on this bridge it would be part of the $13.9 million, it would be a reduction to the $13.9 million.

Mig Dobre

Analyst · Mig Dobre with Robert W. Baird. Please proceed with your question

Right. But I'm not talking about the $13.9 million, so on slide 10 I'm talking about the $1.3 million contribution from sales volumes and mix. As I understand this you’re basically saying that on a core volume that you delivered year-over-year this contributed $1.3 million to gross profit, right?

Wolfgang Dangel

Analyst · Mig Dobre with Robert W. Baird. Please proceed with your question

Right.

Tricia Fulton

Analyst · Mig Dobre with Robert W. Baird. Please proceed with your question

Yes.

Mig Dobre

Analyst · Mig Dobre with Robert W. Baird. Please proceed with your question

Right. So if that’s the case then what we’re talking about here is that it’s an implied incremental gross margin of 37% about 32.5% last quarter using the same math you did something like 43%. So either that the mix -- maybe the mix is different maybe there is something else that is going on here from one quarter to another, but the point is that even if your pricing comes through in the back half and offsets your material cost that 1.4% headwind the core business has to improve significantly and I'm wondering again how do we get there and kind of what’s happened in the quarter?

Tricia Fulton

Analyst · Mig Dobre with Robert W. Baird. Please proceed with your question

So looking at the volume and the mix it was offset by sales incentive. So as you recall the historic Sun business has always had a large expedite premium. Obviously with our backlog and pass due we are not recognizing that expedite premium in the current quarters. And we also have a decrease in average sales price because of the volume occurred just as we have volume discount amount. So as volumes go up the discount becomes higher as well as some of our regional allocation of sales, which sometimes have different margin profiles as well. So those sales incentive pulled off at least $1 million in Q2.

Mig Dobre

Analyst · Mig Dobre with Robert W. Baird. Please proceed with your question

Okay. Do you have any price an increase planned for Electronics or was that comment only for Hydraulics?

Tricia Fulton

Analyst · Mig Dobre with Robert W. Baird. Please proceed with your question

That comment was only for hydraulics, the electronics business saw price increase at the beginning of the year for a portion of the business that’s primarily related to distribution sales. They have a high amount of OEM sales. So price increases are kind of set by the contracts with the OEMs directly. So we have not been able to effect pricing changes this year in Electronics business other than the small price increase that went to distribution at the beginning of the year.

Wolfgang Dangel

Analyst · Mig Dobre with Robert W. Baird. Please proceed with your question

As we pointed out last time, the opportunity for pricing changes is with release changes or with new projects coming. We talked about it at the last call.

Mig Dobre

Analyst · Mig Dobre with Robert W. Baird. Please proceed with your question

Right. Two more for me. So, kind of going back on your comments, vis-à-vis the backlog in hydraulics, can you sort of give us a sense here for the magnitude that as to what we’re talking about here maybe dollar magnitude or however you want to frame it, in order to get a little more comfortable with the growth rates on tougher comps in the back half?

Wolfgang Dangel

Analyst · Mig Dobre with Robert W. Baird. Please proceed with your question

Yes, I mean, we don’t want to go into specific backlog or order dollars numbers. But, I mean, I can tell you that, we have seen order intake at record levels, as we have never seen in the past. And even if we do the comparison to peer groups, so we see clearly elevated order levels here. That’s the main reason obviously, why the back half, the second half of the year is stronger than the first half, whereas this was different in the past, as you know very well Mig.

Mig Dobre

Analyst · Mig Dobre with Robert W. Baird. Please proceed with your question

Okay. Then maybe last question on Custom acquisition. So, I am trying to understand that business a little bit better. How much of -- what Custom does is are some of these value add services that you mentioned, versus just pure distribution revenue and is there any sort of channel comps like that might be created here, how -- what is it mean for any of the other relationships that maybe Custom would have had with other OEMs, how should we think about that?

Wolfgang Dangel

Analyst · Mig Dobre with Robert W. Baird. Please proceed with your question

Yes, so first of all I mean the majority of the business is value add project based driven value-add engineered business. There is also a portion of component sales, but the vast majority is engineering driven businesses. And to the second question, the business there is spread out over many, many manufacturers there and there is no conflict with any other supplier in this case. We did the thorough analysis during the due diligence process. And that’s okay.

Mig Dobre

Analyst · Mig Dobre with Robert W. Baird. Please proceed with your question

All right, thanks for taking my question.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Brian Drab with William Blair. Please proceed with your question.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · Brian Drab with William Blair. Please proceed with your question

Thanks, and this is actually Joe Akon [ph] on for Brian this morning. I was wondering if you could talk a little bit more about, one of your growth opportunities which has been to penetrate geographies where you have historically been weaker. I know you touched on the increased demand in all end markets on the slide. I was wondering if you just talk a little bit about the gains you made in the initiative in 2018.

Wolfgang Dangel

Analyst · Brian Drab with William Blair. Please proceed with your question

Yes, sure. I mean, we have started about two years ago of focusing on some of those geographies. We refer to them as wide spot. So that’s historically areas where we hardly had any revenue. In this particular case here obviously, we are aiming to leverage the position we have with Custom Fluidpower in Australia and try to enter into the Southeast Asian marketplace. Just to give you a practical example in Southeast Asia, until three years ago I think we had one single distributor in the entire region. So what we did over the last two years 18 months, we added four distributors and three integrators, so in the mean time we have channel -- we have 10 channel partners across Southeast Asia. So it’s mainly Thailand, the Philippines, Indonesia, Vietnam, these countries that are neighboring Australia, so to say. So what we are trying to do is here on one hand we are signing up channel partners, we will also put some own boots on the ground there. And then of course it will be heavily supported out of Australia, because this is where we have the engineering capabilities across those eight offices, scattered across Australia. If you look at Custom Fluidpower, their largest office is actually in Mackay that’s in northern territory, in Northern Queensland of Australia, that’s closer to Indonesia than it is to Sydney. And with their capabilities they can than help us to better penetrate the Southeast Asian market. You ask in generally if I understand your question correct, about this type of markets or geographies, obviously we are trying two additional things in other geography as well in India where we have a presence already, but we are still adding people they are signing up channel partners there. So we want to have a better penetration of the Indian markets as well. So these type of emerging markets where a lot of machine building and equipment manufacturing is taking place now. We want to make sure that we are well positioned in those geographies. Does it answer the question?

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · Brian Drab with William Blair. Please proceed with your question

Yes, thanks for the color there. That was very helpful. And then just a quick follow-up, how is your backlog in each of the businesses Hydraulics and Electronics? How is the backlog compared to this time last year?

Wolfgang Dangel

Analyst · Brian Drab with William Blair. Please proceed with your question

Perhaps I'm not 100% sure, but backlog also has gone up at least since we did the due diligence fourth quarter last year. CVT so Sun core business has gone up considerably because of the high order intake that we have been seeing particularly over the last nine months. And in Electronics it's gone slightly up, but not significantly higher than about a year ago.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · Brian Drab with William Blair. Please proceed with your question

Okay, great. That’s helpful thanks for taking my questions.

Tricia Fulton

Analyst · Brian Drab with William Blair. Please proceed with your question

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Adam [indiscernible] with Stifel. Please proceed with your question.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · Brian Drab with William Blair. Please proceed with your question

Hey good morning, thanks for taking my questions.

Tricia Fulton

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question

Good morning.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · Brian Drab with William Blair. Please proceed with your question

I wanted to follow back up on the sales incentive question for Hydraulics orders. Were there any charges or liquidity damages on pass due orders or do you expect to see anything there, or is it just delayed orders?

Wolfgang Dangel

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question

That's just the way, it's still in place. So there is nothing we are not expecting anything for the future.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · Brian Drab with William Blair. Please proceed with your question

Okay, perfect. And then kind of shifting gears for Electronics. I saw the press release called out sales initiative and new products driving part of the growth. What type of new technology offerings and products you guys having success with?

Wolfgang Dangel

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question

Yes, so that's still in line with pretty much the successes that we have seen last year. I mean, we are launching about 10 new products every single year now the last two years back in 2017 and another 10 -- roughly 10 in 2018 here as well. And it's still the same modus operando at the end of today. I mean deeply embedded with the engineering skills of the OEMs particularly in those growth markets, marine to name one. And this is where we see most of the successes. And we continue to heavily invest into R&D to launch more products then as we move forward from here. So we feel pretty strongly that we have a winning formal in place with the way we go after business. So we will maintain exactly -- doing exactly the same thing that we have been doing over the last 20 months here.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · Brian Drab with William Blair. Please proceed with your question

Got it, thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Jon Braatz with Kansas City Capital. Please proceed with your question.

Jonathan Braatz

Analyst · Jon Braatz with Kansas City Capital. Please proceed with your question

Good morning, Wolfgang and Tricia.

Wolfgang Dangel

Analyst · Jon Braatz with Kansas City Capital. Please proceed with your question

Good morning, Jon.

Jonathan Braatz

Analyst · Jon Braatz with Kansas City Capital. Please proceed with your question

Wolfgang, you made a comment about tariffs. I'm wondering if you're hearing anything from your customers about tariffs whether they're being helped on a sales level remind you on the sales level being helped to hurt by all these tariff talk?

Wolfgang Dangel

Analyst · Jon Braatz with Kansas City Capital. Please proceed with your question

Yes, I mean, as you can imagine Jon, there is a lot of disarray in the -- I would say in the marketplace right now. So we've been analyzing the situation rather thoroughly over the last three, four weeks so since July actually since the major announcements has been coming out. And yes to answer the question, I mean we are hearing from customers and from OEMs and obviously also from channel partners that are dealing with end customers and with OEMs. And the message I think is mix at this stage. I mean, there are circumstances where OEMs have understanding and will accept it. And I think there is -- there were circumstances where people will also push back. So every case here is a little bit different. It is a very -- it is a highly complex topic where today nobody has clear transparency to be quite honest. Our assumption is as we said we notified our customer base, I mean, we don't directly import anything that falls under the tariff, but if we have -- if we're ending up here with cost increases, we would have to pass it on. So we notified customer base.

Jonathan Braatz

Analyst · Jon Braatz with Kansas City Capital. Please proceed with your question

Sure, okay. Tricia, on your amortization guidance of about $23 million, you had $10 million for the first half, including $8 million in the second quarter alone. If I would, extend that $8 million per quarter in the second half it would be a little bit higher than that $22 million, where there's some one-time amortization charges in the second quarter that won't continue?

Tricia Fulton

Analyst · Jon Braatz with Kansas City Capital. Please proceed with your question

Yes, there were some one-times for Faster related to backlog that come off relatively quickly.

Jonathan Braatz

Analyst · Jon Braatz with Kansas City Capital. Please proceed with your question

Okay. Alright. And where did you include the 3 -- what line item did you include the $3.7 million in acquisition and acquisition costs and financial, finance costs?

Tricia Fulton

Analyst · Jon Braatz with Kansas City Capital. Please proceed with your question

That would have been in SEA.

Jonathan Braatz

Analyst · Jon Braatz with Kansas City Capital. Please proceed with your question

All on SG&A?

Tricia Fulton

Analyst · Jon Braatz with Kansas City Capital. Please proceed with your question

Yes.

Jonathan Braatz

Analyst · Jon Braatz with Kansas City Capital. Please proceed with your question

Okay, alright. And then looking ahead into the second half, are you -- do you anticipate any additional onetime transaction costs or financing costs or anything like that in the back half of the year?

Tricia Fulton

Analyst · Jon Braatz with Kansas City Capital. Please proceed with your question

We do still have some step-up for inventory related to the Faster acquisition that will take place in Q3, about $2 million that will hit the cost of materials line gross margin. Other than that, there is not a lot that we're anticipating. We will have some costs in the third quarter related to the acquisition of CFP. But it won't be to the degree of the cost that we saw with Faster since it was a smaller acquisition.

Jonathan Braatz

Analyst · Jon Braatz with Kansas City Capital. Please proceed with your question

Right. Okay, alright. Thank you, Tricia.

Tricia Fulton

Analyst · Jon Braatz with Kansas City Capital. Please proceed with your question

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the floor back to management for any closing comments.

Wolfgang Dangel

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question

Thank you very much for your interest in Helios and for your participation this morning. Also thank you to all of the hardworking Helios employees who are driving these results and welcome to our Custom Fluidpower employees. We look forward to updating all of you on our third quarter results in November. Thank you very much and have a great day.

Operator

Operator

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