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Q2 2022 Earnings Call· Tue, Aug 2, 2022

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Operator

Operator

Greetings, and welcome to the Huntsman Corporation's Second Quarter 2022 Earnings Call. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the call over to Ivan Marcuse, Vice President of Investor Relations. Thank you. You may begin.

Ivan Marcuse

Analyst

Thank you, Darrell and good morning, everyone. Welcome to Huntsman's Second Quarter '22 Earnings Call. Joining us on the call today are Peter Huntsman, Chairman, CEO and President; and Phil Lister, Executive Vice President and CFO. This morning, before the market opened, we released earnings for the second quarter '22 via press release and posted to our website, huntsman.com. We also posted a set of slides on our website, which we will use on the call this morning while presenting our results. During the call, we may make statements about our projections or expectations for the future. All such statements are forward-looking statements. And while they reflect our current expectations, they involve risks and uncertainties and not guarantees of future performance. You should review our filings with the SEC for more information regarding the factors that could cause results to differ materially from these projections or expectations. We do not plan on publicly updating or revising any forward-looking statements during the quarter. We will also refer to non-GAAP financial measures, such as adjusted EBITDA, adjusted net income and free cash flow. You can find reconciliations to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures in our earnings release, which has been posted to our website, huntsman.com. I'll now turn the call over to Peter Huntsman, Chairman and CEO.

Peter Huntsman

Analyst

Thank you, Ivan. Good morning, everyone. Thanks for taking the time to join us. Let's [indiscernible] on Slide number 5. Adjusted EBITDA for our Polyurethanes division in the second quarter was $229 million compared to $208 million of a year ago, a 10% increase. We achieved the increase in adjusted EBITDA and corresponding 17% EBITDA margins despite a volatile economic backdrop of unprecedented energy costs in Europe, COVID-related lockdowns in China and FX headwinds. Please note that we did receive an insurance settlement, which benefited our second quarter results in polyurethanes by $15 million. We focused on our selling price and our value over volume strategy intently throughout the quarter. We passed through approximately $900 million of annualized increases in raw materials and energy costs, which approximately half were related to higher energy prices. Overall volumes declined 4% as we continued to pursue our value-based strategy. In the Americas, negative growth was driven by some weakness in consumer-related end markets, primarily furniture and ongoing supply constraints in our Huntsman Building Solutions business. In Asia, our growth was negatively impacted due to government mandated lockdowns in Shanghai as the Chinese government attempts to control COVID outbreaks. Volumes in Europe were up compared to the prior year due to favorable comparisons as we completed our once every 4-year Rotterdam turnaround in the second quarter of 2021. Excluding the Rotterdam turnaround, our volumes declined year-on-year. Addressing European near-term demand, we currently expect volumes to contract across several end markets as persistent and extraordinary natural gas prices impact consumer and industrial demand for polyurethanes. During the second quarter, natural gas prices averaged around $31 per MMBtu. And today, they are at a record high of approximately $60 per MMBtu, over 6x the price in the United States. As a reminder, for every $1 per…

Phil Lister

Analyst

Thank you, Peter. Turning to Slide 9. Adjusted EBITDA increased by $98 million to $432 million, an increase of 29% compared to the second quarter of 2021. Sequentially, adjusted EBITDA improved by $17 million or 4%. As Peter highlighted, during the second quarter, we did benefit from an insurance settlement within our Polyurethanes division, which increased our adjusted EBITDA by approximately $15 million. Our adjusted EBITDA margins improved year-on-year by approximately 2% to just over 18%, a sequential improvement from 17% margins in the first quarter. Overall volumes declined by 6%, a combination of our value-based strategy as we continue to deselect lower-margin business and COVID-related lockdowns in China. Gross profit improved by $178 million as we increased prices by approximately $485 million, more than offsetting approximately $305 million of higher raw materials. SG&A remains under control despite significantly higher inflation and tight labor markets. SG&A to sales was below 9% in the second quarter and well ahead of our commitment to achieve this target in 2024. The negative variance of $31 million in FX and other is driven by a $24 million year-on-year equity earnings reduction from our China propylene oxide joint venture and the overall strengthening of the U.S. dollar. Regarding foreign exchange, our main translation exposure is with the euro, which weakened by 11% in the second quarter versus the prior year. Through the first 6 months of the year, the impact from FX on our results was approximately $30 million, assuming a USD [indiscernible] to euro rate in quarter 3, the estimated FX impact on our quarter 3 adjusted EBITDA results would be approximately $20 million. Let's turn to Slide 10. Our cost optimization and synergies plans remain on track. We closed quarter 2 at an annualized run rate of $140 million with a run rate…

Peter Huntsman

Analyst

Phil, thank you very much. Two years ago, during our second quarter report, I compared the economic shocks and volatility of that time to the same as 1791 Whiskey Rebellion. As I look at today's lack of clarity and uncertain outlook around the world, I'm reminded of the words of St. Paul to the Corinthians, "For now we see through a glass, darkly." I'm not sure [indiscernible] was referring to European gas prices, but it seems he at least had something similar in mind. We reported today adjusted EBITDA of $432 million, margins in excess of 18%, more than $500 million in stock repurchases over the past 6 months. Our balance sheet is strong, and our business is on track to meet our objectives that we set out at our most recent Investor Day meeting. So we look into the third quarter, we've given a guidance of between $330 million and $375 million of adjusted EBITDA. And I've watched these other companies who have reported guidance have been criticized for being too rosy or for being too [indiscernible]. We try to guide you on our future performances accurately and transparently as we see it at this time. I see three issues that we will be facing during the second half that may well help us exceed these numbers or not. I'd like to address these issues and what Huntsman is doing to take advantage of them, where we can and try to mitigate their impact when we can't. The biggest challenge we see today is the energy crisis and natural gas volatility in Europe and to a lesser degree, globally. As I pointed out in my earlier remarks, every dollar of price movement affects us about $10 million annually. During these past 2 weeks, European gas prices moved nearly 20%…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Kevin McCarthy with Vertical Research Partners.

Kevin McCarthy

Analyst

Peter, I was wondering if you could elaborate on your decision to exit polyurethane businesses in South America. What drove that decision? And what sort of impact on sales and earnings might we expect as you move forward there?

Peter Huntsman

Analyst

Well, Kevin, good to hear from you. I hope you're doing well. Yes, I think that as we look at the long-term margin prospects in this market. We look at the logistics, the working capital that's tied up. We look at the tariff costs and so forth, the repatriation of capital. When we factor all of these things, which you rarely talked about in these calls, but when you start factoring all of those issues, even if you're earning the same margin in many of those markets as you are in, for example, in North America, your actual netback -- the natural value that's being created, in some cases, drops from what otherwise would be a 20% margin down to a mid- to low single-digit margin, I don't see this changing. And so as we evaluate the markets as we evaluate where the growth and where the value is going to be, particularly the value. And I know that [indiscernible] beating a dead horse here and talking about value over volume, but I think so often, we get transfixed in this industry about growing sales. And we don't look at the value of the sales. And in many cases, it costs us just as much to service and to supply and to produce a single-digit margin account as it does to get a 20% margin account. And we need to be where those markets are going to reward us for innovation, reward us for the service and the technology that we invest in, reward our ability to uplift our molecules, our splitting capabilities and so forth. And frankly, while we see growth opportunities in many of these markets, we don't see value opportunities as we do in North America. Again, that's not to say that we're going to completely abandon those markets, but it is to say that are focused in the infrastructure that we hold in each of those areas, the SG&A that we hold and the cost that we have -- the fixed costs that we have to service many of those accounts that will be changing. And a lot of that tonnage will be going to higher end application, higher end margin applications a little bit closer to home.

Phil Lister

Analyst

Kevin, just to add, the South American Polyurethanes about $60 million of revenue, less than 1% of Huntsman's overall sales revenue. And obviously, the North American market itself, there's a high demand for the products that we would otherwise ship down to South America.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Matthew Blair with Tudor, Pickering, Holt.

Matthew Blair

Analyst · Tudor, Pickering, Holt.

Congrats on the strong results. Just digging into the Q3 polyurethanes outlook a little bit more. So it's down about $44 million quarter-over-quarter at the midpoint. I think $15 million of that would be the insurance proceeds not repeating. Is there any way you could walk through the other moving parts in that guidance, the impact from just lower durables demand from higher benzene costs and then from higher natural gas costs?

Peter Huntsman

Analyst · Tudor, Pickering, Holt.

Yes. I think that we're going to be seeing 2 impacts in the third quarter. The first and foremost is going to be the higher cost of our raw materials, particularly around natural gas products. And again, we're talking about the variability of $10 million, $20 million, $30 million, $40 million, not that those have de minimis sums of money that I just [threw] out. But again, as I just look at the volatility of gas pricing over the last 2 weeks, we're seeing on an annualized basis far greater than $20 million, $30 million, $40 million of value movement just on natural gas. So much of where we end up in the third quarter will be the industry and Huntsman's ability to move pricing and to -- through surcharges and so forth in pricing to our customers and to move that down through consumers. And as you do that, that is obviously going to be impacting volumes. And so I think that, again, it's going to be an issue about higher prices that will, at the same time, because of the rapid inflation we're seeing in energy and in raw materials that higher price impacting volumes on a longer-term basis.

Phil Lister

Analyst · Tudor, Pickering, Holt.

That would be one of the addition to make polyurethanes, obviously, has our largest exposure in Europe from a division perspective and with the euro having weakened even further, you've got an impact of about $5 million to $10 million between quarter 2 and quarter 3 to consider.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Aleksey Yefremov with KeyBanc Capital Markets.

Aleksey Yefremov

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets.

Peter, in the press release -- the press release talks about opportunities that might present themselves to take advantage of Huntsman's strong balance sheet. Are you talking about bolt-ons here or buybacks or both or maybe something else?

Peter Huntsman

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets.

I think that we're speaking about both of those issues. Obviously, if we have set aside $1 billion for share repurchases and our share price is down relative to a quarter ago or the overall market multiples for the chemical industry are down, we've got a greater opportunity there for capital deployment and buying back shares. At the same time, we are definitely seeing a drop in the multiples that are being paid for assets. But at the same time, we're also seeing the earnings of those possible acquisition targets drop as well. So I think that we need to continue to be very cautious on the M&A side, if there's something there that is accretive where we have something that can supplement and expand on our technology that we can integrate that we can globalize, we're going to look very carefully at it. But again, just because multiples are dropping, doesn't necessarily mean that we're going to be out buying assets. It's going to be a pretty compelling opportunity for us.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Laurence Alexander with Jefferies.

Dan Rizzo

Analyst · Jefferies.

This is Dan Rizzo on for Laurence. I was just wondering in regards to the surcharges and the pricing and how volatile things are, how fast surcharges would go on and come off as opposed to traditional pricing? Is it something that's relatively easy? Or does it take time to kind of wind through the system?

Peter Huntsman

Analyst · Jefferies.

Well, Dan, very good question. It really depends on the sector, the customer, the product, just a whole variety of things. It also depends on what the competition and what others are doing. I certainly don't want to get into a position where I'm commenting on competitor pricing or supply or what their strategies may or may not be. But obviously, if we're out aggressively pushing a strategy of value and others are pushing a strategy of volume that -- those are conflicting forces in the marketplace. I think we've been very consistent in the last couple of quarters being very aggressive, if you will, on the pricing front. But typically, when we look at our raw materials, we typically have around a couple of weeks to 30 days before a raw material price increase. We'll go through -- work its way through our inventory and hit our balance sheet or our P&L. So I would certainly like to make sure that before that 30-day time period, that we've done everything that we can do to try to push those costs on to the consumer. And again, we've been in many different products in the past, a lot of the more commoditized products that we have since exited. We literally were, as I said in my comments earlier, this industry too much is the shock absorber between energy volatility on the energy producer side and the consumer that -- or the consumer outlet of an Amazon or a Walmart or something like that, [indiscernible] to move prices. And we just -- I'm just speaking again from our perspective at Huntsman, we'd certainly like to try to change that.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Frank Mitsch with Fermium Research.

Frank Mitsch

Analyst · Fermium Research.

Yes. It's Frank. Peter, I wanted to ask you about the competitive dynamics of European energy and Russian gas on your German competition, but you indicated that you didn't want to go there. So instead, I do want to come back to the range of $170 million to $200 million on polyurethanes for the quarter. July is in the books already, so you have good visibility on that. And if you assume normal seasonality in August and September, are you towards the middle end of that range, the high end of that range, the low end of that range? How do we think about that spread between -- what needs to happen to get to $170 million, what needs to happen to get to $200 million?

Peter Huntsman

Analyst · Fermium Research.

Well, Frank, I would very much like to comment on competition, especially German competition. But unfortunately, I have a lawyer in the room who's giving me a very stern look right now and throwing things at me. So I can't comment on that, but it doesn't mean that I wouldn't want to. If we look at the -- when we give the price -- these EBITDA brackets, I don't want to get into too much sausage-making here. We literally make these as of last night and early this morning from the divisions. And these are numbers that I think are the most accurate view that we have literally within the last couple of hours. I would say with where we look at polyurethanes and the spread that we gave you in polyurethanes, I would say that right now, we're really in the middle of that fairway. And if we see a massive spike in -- if Putin decides he doesn't want to put any gas in Russia and we see a massive spike this next week in raw material prices, we'll be like hell to try to get that through. But that's the sort of prices and so forth. That's going to be a definite headwind if we see some relief coming because there's an inventory build or imports of gas or we finally decide to get smart in the United States and get more aggressive in producing natural gas ourselves rather than just trying to export at all, we may see some tailwinds there. I would say right now, if I had to put even money on it, it will be right in the middle of that range.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Hassan Ahmed with Alembic Global.

Hassan Ahmed

Analyst · Alembic Global.

Just rather than sort of specifically talking about any sort of competitors or the like, I just broadly wanted to talk about the polyurethane industry as you guys see it right now. I mean, obviously, Europe is not an insignificant chunk of polyurethane capacity, and we obviously all know the sort of energy price situation over there. So the question really is that on a go-forward basis, how do you see the evolution of polyurethane sort of utilization rates globally or supply-demand fundamentals, keeping in mind, obviously -- and again, not specific to any European competitor, but keeping in mind, I'd like to imagine maybe some Europeans are considering shutdowns, certainly reduced operating rates. So I mean, are we -- as sort of these recessionary clouds recede, are we going to be in a situation driven probably by Europe that we are in very tight utilization rates, at least in the near to medium term?

Peter Huntsman

Analyst · Alembic Global.

Yes. And Hassan, you're asking an excellent question. And if you really look at the industry and you think about the delta, and I'm just talking about really broad numbers here. You're looking at over $1,000 per ton manufacturing cost difference between North America, Asia and Europe, right? North America and Asia right now are pretty competitive. And you look at where Europe is right now, it's around $1,000 per ton and in some cases, even higher than that. And if you think that is going to be the case over the course of the next 12 to 18 months, you really have to be arguing somewhere in some conference room right now. Do we start rationalizing capacity in Europe and start importing in from North America and Asia? If you think that this is a 6-month phenomenon or somehow between now and the early spring of next year that somehow prices will moderate and that gap will all of a sudden go down to a couple of hundred dollars a ton, $500 a ton or something like that. By the time you factor in freight, working capital, logistics, the excess capacity customers are going to be exiting from in order to satisfy the needs, you're really not really not going to be able to shut down one site versus the next. And so it really is a longer-term call as you look out not over the next quarter or 2, but it's got to be one as you look out over the next 3 to 4 quarters. And I mean I'm literally just talking about some of the decision making, some of the challenges that we're going through right now within our own company, is we don't just not only look at polyurethane, but you look at some of…

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Mike Sison with Wells Fargo.

Michael Sison

Analyst · Wells Fargo.

Nice quarter. Peter, I guess I'm glad you didn't just -- didn't have a quote from The Book of Revelations for the external environment, but just a question on polyurethanes. When you think about placing your MDI molecules maybe by end market, are there certain end markets that have good returns now? Are the ones that maybe don't have as good returns that you're looking at? And aside from the regional, are the better markets for you to place your MDI?

Peter Huntsman

Analyst · Wells Fargo.

Yes. I think that there are certainly some markets. And when I talk about these, we try not to focus on quarter-to-quarter, right? I mean if you look at what's weak in the next month or a quarter or two, you have to be able to develop the product specifications and you have to be able to weather some of the cyclical storms and so forth. But as we look at automotive, it's not just automotive, but as we look at some of the luxury brands, as we look at the EV, the lightweighting, as you start thinking about EV vehicles and cars in general, when you start thinking about self-driving cars. Cars -- the performance of the car, how fast it can go from 0 to 60 miles an hour is going to be far less important in the automobiles in the future than is going to be the comfort, the sound system, the information systems and the acoustic sounds and so forth, that's going to be a lot more important to car manufacturers going forward, the lightweighting ability, safety. And so it's not just saying we're dedicated to the auto sector, but what sector within the auto sector as we think of something like insulation. There's going to be sometimes when insulation, the tide goes in and the tide goes out and -- but longer term, having the best [indiscernible] factor insulation in the world, being able to use the recyclability of used PET bottles and so forth as a raw material. That's going to be a winner longer term. So we look at adhesions, we look at coatings, we look at lightweight and you start breaking that down, we get quite excited about those. Now I take other segments. And again, I don't want [indiscernible] segments, but…

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Matthew DeYoe with Bank of America.

Matthew DeYoe

Analyst · Bank of America.

So if I'm looking at the maleic market in Europe and the U.S. and really performance in general, right? So it's definitely running much higher than where we thought we would be exiting last year's Investor Day. If I think about the variance between kind of where we thought we'd be and where we are now, is that spreads to commodities that are net favorable that are at risk if the market should soften? Or is this a new elevated benchmark for the business? How do we think about how PP performs in a softer macro?

Peter Huntsman

Analyst · Bank of America.

Well, I think that as we look at the maleic industry in general, the downstream, a couple of things. First, we've looked at our own maleic and compared to where we were 10 years ago, I think that we were almost a 100% at that point, 100% focused on UPR, basic construction applications, RVs, motorboats and so forth. Those are still going to be the lion's share of the volume, but we've also looked at the maleic business into how we can diversify that into everything from fuel additives to food additives, coming down into specialty, manufacturing and blends and so forth. There's also certainly has been a focus on the UPR industry where there's been a consolidation in that industry and the customer base in that industry and a lot of the players that are -- that used to just be in the merchant maleic market and now integrated into UPR. There are only 2 or 3 of us in North America, a few more in Europe that are still in the merchant market that haven't been integrated, if you will, into a single UPR entity. And so as we look at the industry structure, as we look at the diversification of the downstream applications and as we look at the pricing over volume strategy that we have, yes, I think that we're going to -- I think that on average, over the course of the next 5 or 10 years versus the last 5 or 10 years, we would hope that there would be not just better margins, but more reliable and less volatile margins.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Angel Castillo with Morgan Stanley.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

This is [indiscernible] on for Angel. Just as a follow-up to some of your commentary on pricing. What is your ability to hold price in Performance Products as costs start to ease? How much of this is structural versus surcharges that will start to come off?

Peter Huntsman

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

In Performance Products, virtually, all of it is pricing. There has not been as much surcharge in Performance Products as there has been in polyurethanes, for instance. A lot of that is also a mechanism in polyurethanes. We have a lot bigger -- a lot larger business in Europe than we do in Performance Products that's largely -- I won't say that [indiscernible] North American business, but it's larger in North America than it is in Europe. We've been looking at surcharges a lot more aggressively in polyurethanes in Europe. We do have some escalators, which will work in both directions in the maleic business. But by and large, in Performance Products, I would hope that, again, we're not just selling molecules there, we're selling in effect, meaning that if I'm selling you as a customer, then this is one of the tough times when prices go up. If I'm just selling you a product and the raw materials go up and therefore, I'm raising my prices, it is a customer when those raw materials go down, you're going to expect the price to go down. If I'm selling an effect, I'm selling you something that my product does that other products don't do that gives you value, that's going to have a much greater staying power. So hopefully, through our Performance Products, even without raw material increases over the last year or so, we certainly have seen higher margins because we're selling effect rather than just selling cost increase as that have come through. And I would hope that as raw material prices dissipate, should they dissipate over the course of the next year or so, I would hope that we would be able to hold on to large portions of that.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of David Begleiter with Deutsche Bank.

David Begleiter

Analyst · Deutsche Bank.

Peter, in Advanced Materials, do you have any updated thoughts on how much aerospace will be up this year and what that will leave you below pre-pandemic levels and when you would catch up those levels?

Peter Huntsman

Analyst · Deutsche Bank.

I would hope that as we look at the improvements that we see in aerospace, let's remember that during the pandemic that we were down -- pushing about $50 million of EBITDA from where we were -- to the beginning of the pandemic to where we were at the depths of the pandemic. And I'd like to think that we have recovered probably about 40% of that. And I would -- that's going to be a lumpy recovery, but I would hope that certainly by the beginning of 2024 thereabouts. I mean I'm giving you a forecast on commercial airliners that I probably not qualified yet. I would assumably hope that by the beginning of 2024 that we're back to kind of that pre-pandemic sort of volumes and margins and so forth. But again, during this time period, there have been other projects that both Boeing and Airbus have been working on that we've qualified for. And I would hope that when the volumes get back to where they were previous to the pandemic that we're actually doing better than we were previous to the pandemic. So I would hope that there are more applications as the industry looks at lightweighting. These high energy prices, by the way, high fuel prices, crude prices, natural gas price, you're going to see the airline industry do everything they can to try to lightweight and putting a premium on saving fuel. Typically, when the economy slows, you think that they keep their more -- they're older, more depreciated their airlines in the fleet. But when you have fuel prices as high as they are right now, we're seeing a shift towards that lightweighting and anywhere they can replace a product with carbon fiber and they're doing so. So I personally, am quite bullish as to us recovering sooner and better, but I think it's still going to be over the course of the next 6 to 7 quarters or so before we're fully back to normal. With that, operator, why don't we take one more question. And given the fact we try to end at the top [indiscernible] a little bit over.

Operator

Operator

Our final question comes from the line of Josh Spector with UBS.

Josh Spector

Analyst

Just maybe this is related with the prior question, but Advanced Materials, industrial markets in Europe, I think you have 3Q comments that you expect it to remain stable. To me, that seems pretty different than what we've heard from companies over the past couple of weeks and even how you talked about polyurethanes. So what's the difference for Huntsman in Advanced Materials in Europe that enables that stability?

Peter Huntsman

Analyst

Yes. I think that when we look at -- again, there's going to be some sectors that are falling there. But when we look at Europe, there are 3 areas in Europe that I'm quite bullish on over the next couple of quarters. One of them is aerospace. Airbus, obviously, located there, which is a very large customer of ours. The other is the auto industry. Again, when we see this move towards lightweighting, carbon composite materials and so forth, insulation around -- heat insulation around EV vehicles. We recently have won some exciting contracts that we won't [indiscernible] the impact for the next quarter or so. But going forward, think about the temperatures in which these electric motors are operating, the batteries and so forth, those all need to be heat shielded as they are -- they're usually just mirror inches away from the driver. We qualified to have our products are both serving as the heat shield and also as the structural barrier between the driver and electric motors and batteries and so forth. And the last is the power sector. So as you think about the grid systems that are being modernized, the grid systems that are being extended to include solar projects, wind projects, offshore projects and so forth, a lot of those are going to have transformers, cables, structural products where our materials have replaced ceramics and another -- a number of older heavier applications, especially if you start looking at the marine -- electrical marine applications. So that would -- those would be three areas that we're pretty bullish on.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. We have reached the end of our question-and-answer session. This does conclude today's teleconference. We appreciate your participation. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Enjoy the rest of your day.