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Q2 2016 Earnings Call· Wed, Aug 3, 2016

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Operator

Operator

Welcome to the Novatel Wireless Second Quarter 2016 Financial Results Conference Call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions] Please note that this conference is being recorded. I'd now like to turn the conference over to Michael Sklansky, Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Michael Sklansky

Analyst

Thanks William. During this call, non-GAAP financial measures will be discussed. A reconciliation to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures is included in the earnings release, which is available on the Investors section of the Company's website. An audio replay of this call will also be archived there. Please also be advised that today's discussion will contain forward-looking statements. These forward-looking statements are not historical facts, but rather are based on the Company's current expectations and beliefs. For a discussion on factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from expectations, please refer to the Risk Factors described in our Form 10-K, 10-Q and other SEC filings, which are available on our website. Now I'd like to turn the call over to Sue Swenson, Chief Executive Officer of Novatel Wireless.

Sue Swenson

Analyst

Thank you, Michael. Good afternoon and thanks to everyone for participating in todays call. We really look forward to sharing our Q2 results and updating you on our continued progress we’re making in our transformation and our hardware only provider of wireless communications equipment to a provider of comprehensive IoT solutions with a high margin SaaS software and service offerings. While there is obviously still work to be done to complete this transformation, I'm very pleased with the changes we’ve made today. And our results are showing that we are moving in the right direction. Looking back to Q2 last year, we have seen the following significant improvements in our key metrics. Number one, quarterly adjusted EBITDA has improved by $4 million to positive $1.7 million from a negative $2.3 million. Number two, non-GAAP gross margin has improved to 37.9% from 30.9%. And number three, subscribers have increased to 557,000 via the acquisition of Ctrack and FW. This year we expect these improvements to result in increasing adjusted EBITDA in every sequential quarter in 2016 and EBITDA of more than $4 million in the fourth quarter along continuing to improve throughout 2017. For those of you on the call who are new to the Novatel Wireless story, I began my tenure as CEO at the end of October 2015. It was very clear to me from day one that we needed to quickly focus on two things. One was to identify areas of the business which were best positioned to drive revenue and profit growth and two was to streamline or sell business units which did not fit our vision of being a leading player in IoT SaaS services and solutions. Over the past few months strategic planning began to rapidly transition to implementation. We divested our cellular module business…

Mike Newman

Analyst

Thanks, Sue and thanks to everyone for joining us on this call. I'm excited to be here today discussing another quarter of significant transformational progress for Novatel Wireless. Our second quarter performance was at the high-end of our revenue, gross margin, EBITDA and EPS guidance ranges while the company's overall subscriber base grew to 557,000 subscribers which includes 389,000 Ctrack subscribers. Our balance sheet and financial condition also strengthened considerably. As our cash balances increased by more than $10 million to a total of $18.5 million at the end of Q2, while we simultaneously paid off the entire outstanding balance on our Wells Fargo credit facility. All of this progress stems from the company's dedicated focus on transitioning our business model toward higher margin, recurring SaaS software and services revenue. Our objective in these subscriber-based businesses is subscriber growth and we're successful across the board. In the second quarter our Ctrack fleet subscriber base grew at an annualized rate of 24% ending the quarter with 174,000 Ctrack fleet subscribers. Our others Ctrack's Telematics subscriber base grew at an annualized rate of 17% to 215,000 subscribers. While our FW subscriber base grew at an annualized rate of 10% to 168,000 subscribers. Collectively this group of subscribers generated $13.7 million in SaaS software and services revenues in the second quarter of 2016 representing 21.8% of the company's total second quarter revenues. To put our corporate transformation in perspective that $13.7 million in Q2 SaaS software and service revenues this year compares to only $2.4 million of SaaS software and services revenues in Q2 of last year prior to our acquisition of Ctrack. I cannot emphasize this transition enough. These SaaS software and services revenues are driving our business towards profitability and positive cash flow for three reasons. First, SaaS software and services…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question is from Jaeson Schmidt with Lake Street Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Jaeson Schmidt

Analyst

Hi, guys. Thanks for taking my questions. I was wondering if you could first talk about the product or end market that you're working on with the Tier 1 U.S. wireless carrier, wondering if you can provide any additional color on that project?

Sue Swenson

Analyst

Yes, I'm happy to Jaeson. This is something where we had as I said taken the capability and assets and customer and market experience of FW and basically productize it into what we are really called business continuity. I talked about the fact where you take all those disparate parts that customers have to deal with today with different vendors. And we've been able to aggregate those and partner with that Tier 1 carrier to deliver that in a simple bundled package for the customer to make it simple for them. And we’re really targeting the small and medium business who frankly don't have the time to run around and deal with all these vendors. So based on the conversation with the carrier their focus on this particular market and our capability I think it's a great match of two companies who will do some pretty interesting things in the market. So that's where we’re targeting.

Jaeson Schmidt

Analyst

Okay, great. And then I just want to be clear I think earlier this year you guys were targeting kind of 7 million in adjusted EBITDA by Q4 and now while still increasing in Q4 I think that number is now over 4 million, can you help us understand what maybe has changed?

Mike Newman

Analyst

Sure. This is - thanks for the question, Jaeson. So this is Mike, obviously not Sue. So you know what changes when we put that 7 million out there, we were trying to figure out how fast and how high we could drive EBITDA by the end of the year. As the years evolve and as we’ve continued our transition, we’ve realized that the markets are right the customer markets are right for investment in our higher-margin businesses. And specifically we're talking about what we’re driving towards with our – what would be our new SMB offering for Ctrack in the SMB fleet space, they have an offering now but this will be a little bit newer and with fresher look and we’ll launch in the U.S. as well. And then also as Sue was describing this new offering from FW which will also be sort of first Tier carrier is a nice combination of hardware unit to get the service going. But essentially a recurring revenue stream from software SaaS and services and it just the more we thought about we realized that we’ve got to take advantage of these opportunities when they’re there. And if that means that it's - we only quote and unquote only have 4 million of EBITDA in the fourth quarter instead of seven, that's what makes sense as we continue to grow EBITDA throughout 2017. Goal here has always been to build a sustainable growing business, growing the high-margin SaaS and services revenues and growing EBITDA. So by no means this is $7 million EBITDA off the table in the future, it’s just not going to be in Q4 as we continue to drive the business in the direction it needs to go.

Jaeson Schmidt

Analyst

Okay, that makes sense. And then just the last one and I'll jump back into queue. Just wondering if you could talk about your general visibility for your business and I guess more specifically how we should think about seasonality may be impacting you in Q4 at least directionally?

Mike Newman

Analyst

Yes. So I expect that typically seasonally we - Q1 is the lowest then we step up in Q2, then we flat in Q3 and then we step up in Q4.Two things have happened to change that although I expect seasonality to be fairly similar. One of the things that's happened to change that is that Ctrack and this was of course included in our guidance for Q2,Ctrack’s strong and historical quarter was always the second quarter that was at the end of the fiscal year and the end of the year for government budget cycles in South Africa. And that of course is taken into our guidance and you see we're guiding higher in Q3. So that business is just growing at this point in regardless of seasonality. The other thing that you know that Q4 seasonality we tend to step up in Q4. We did not experience that last year as our large carrier customer had a shift and how they sort of managed their balance sheet towards yearend and try to lighten up on inventory for yearend. If you recall we had a slightly lower Q4 and then things stepped up in Q1 when as we said they would and expect that they would they kind of rebuild their inventory again. So in a normal cycle we would expect Q4 to step up over Q3 from a revenue standpoint. Given what happened last year with our large carrier customer we’re not too sure about that. But obviously we are expecting despite what trends may or may not happen at the top line we're expecting our EBITDA to more than double between here and the fourth quarter. So that will continue to step up.

Jaeson Schmidt

Analyst

Okay, perfect. Thanks a lot guys.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from Mike Walkley with Canaccord. Please go ahead.

Mike Walkley

Analyst

Great, thank you. And just building on that that question just to help us remodeling the doubling of adjusted EBITDA in Q4, can you walk us through how much of that is OpEx cost reductions you could go from roughly 2 to 4 plus and how much of that would be some revenue seasonal strength, just trying to get a run rate and OpEx as we exit the year? Thank you.

Mike Newman

Analyst

Sure. That’s a good question, Mike. So the starting point is the restructuring activities that we just undertook. So we've - in both our press release and now we've been talking about an $8 million annualized run rate of savings resulting from those restructuring activities and we will get the full benefit of those restructuring activities in the fourth quarter. So, easy math you get from 17 where we just were in Q2 add 2, and now you’re at 37.So and then obviously continuing to improve our revenue mix will get us the rest of the way. Remember that the Ctrack revenues and FW software services, you look at our software services those gross margins are well over 70%. So whether our carrier customers at gross margins high 20s whether they buy or don’t buy sort of towards the end hopefully it’s in the realm of the norm but otherwise that EBITDA step up comes from continued pressing forward on those software services revenues as well as that $2 million quarterly savings from out of restructuring activities.

Mike Walkley

Analyst

Okay, thanks. And then just as you talked about your seasonal turn so as you get into Q1 of next year would you expect maybe a little bit of lack of leverage and then it just builds again throughout the year. How to think about the longer model?

Mike Newman

Analyst

I think as we go forward over the longer term we start getting into a discussion over the benefits of having a subscription based model. When you’ve got a hard only model you get a lot of lumpiness around when the hardware sells and when it doesn’t sell and frankly selling at a week at the end of the quarter or a week at the beginning of a quarter makes a huge difference to quarterly results in a hardware model much less so in a SaaS or services based model. So we think the seasonal trends are going to get more muted as we go forward and as we transition increasingly to software and services and almost 25% almost a quarter of our revenue this quarter were software and services revenues. That still means a majority is coming from hardware but some of the hardware is also attached to software and services. So normal revenue cycle we’ve step up in Q4 and then a slight step down in Q1. We didn’t experience that last year, we’ll have to see this year but we do expect those trends to become more muted. But if I was you and I was modeling it out I would probably model the slight step up in Q4 and then a slight step down in Q1 consistent with historical trends.

Mike Walkley

Analyst

Okay great, that’s helpful. And just trying to get my mind around one last time on the backdrop from $7 million then you talked about increased investments but then you talked about this restructuring, so is the restructuring not as deep as you originally planned because of the investments needed or is restructurings more for the hardware business and you’re just investing more in you SaaS business so that’s why you are backing off the $7 million giving us a $4 million run rate to exit the year? Thank you.

Mike Newman

Analyst

Sure so it’s, I’ll clarify again. It’s definitely a combination of what we’ve done with the restructuring activities and investments in some of these additional areas. I mean we are investing in the Ctrack business and we are investing in the FW business the portions of those businesses that we want to grow. We’re talking about market that have CAGRs of 20% plus whoever they are in the world so we want to take advantage of that. In terms of the restructuring cost look we’ve been making ongoing changes. I mentioned shutting down Richardson Texas, I mentioned the manufacturing operations in Durban. This latest round of restructuring affects nearly one in four of the sort I’ll call it legacy Novatel Wireless employees. Obviously everything falls under Novatel Wireless right now but I didn’t touch this particular, I didn’t touch Ctrack and FW and this is a big change that we’re going through and kind of trying to step away from that legacy and for our business we don’t want to overdo it. The goal here is not to touch or kiss a certain EBITDA level and then step back. The goal is really sustained improvements and sustainability for the long run and just like we want to make investments in these growing business lines we also want to be careful as we’re driving efficiencies that we don’t do anywhere something breaks and causes us to take a few steps back when we’re trying to take a step forward. So I think we feel pretty good about where we are. Obviously anytime here you are letting go employees it’s always a tough thing to do but deemphasizing non-profitable business lines with some that we just had to do. And I’ll note that I commented that our EBITDA in the first half of this year was our highest EBITDA in just six months than had been in any fully since 2009. And not surprisingly 2009 was the year before Novatel Wireless acquired Enfora and I think with these restructuring actions was a pretty significant internally but we’re officially sort of moving past Enfora now and again not surprisingly unfortunately moving from the negativity that of the Enfora back to positive growth, positive EBITDA and so but it’s a big change here as a company. We’re enthusiastic about making it and it’s been fun to do it.

Mike Walkley

Analyst

Okay, that's helpful. Best wishes for the ongoing transformation and look forward to seeing in Boston next week.

Operator

Operator

Next question comes from Kevin Dede with Rodman and Renshaw. Please go ahead.

Kevin Dede

Analyst · Rodman and Renshaw. Please go ahead.

Good afternoon. Thanks for taking my question. Sue could just sort of elaborate on the direction of investment. I mean you mentioned Ctrack in the Middle East, you mentioned some auto OEMs. Do you have any brand names you could add and just sort of color in where this investment is going and why?

Sue Swenson

Analyst · Rodman and Renshaw. Please go ahead.

Well Kevin thanks for the question. One of my comments I think was really focused on the fact that Ctrack really has a nice portfolio of products that I think serves us well in different regions and the investments are really based on those regions where the opportunities are. So for example in the U.K. and in Australia we’re having great success with counsels and so the opportunity there in any kind of investment that’s required to better serve those counsels we enjoy a nice place in the marketplace with those counsels. So we have very targeted verticals in different regions and we’re now spreading those products across all regions just like peanut butter we’re really targeting those for who's in the market, who the competition is and what our capability is. So it’s probably different in every region in terms of what the best opportunities are counsels being one. Obviously stolen vehicle the UBI car sharing as I talked about, car sharing as you know is growing across the world in terms of its attractiveness. There is interesting statistics about the actual total addressable market and the attractiveness of that particular vertical. So it really depends on the regions and the market and we’re really focused on just those markets and verticals were we think it makes sense. Additionally obviously we’ve been talking about the small and medium business market in the U.S. We still think that’s attractive but we also that is just not the work that we’re doing jointly across the company on the refresh to the interface using Ctrack’s robust backend. Their engine is really will be the foundation for that product. That investment has applicability not only in the U.S. but across the globe. So there is a variety of investments that we’re making but we’re doing it on a very targeted basis and where we believe we’ll be successful.

Kevin Dede

Analyst · Rodman and Renshaw. Please go ahead.

Okay, so you spelled out Australia and the U.K. What’s going in the Middle East and where?

Sue Swenson

Analyst · Rodman and Renshaw. Please go ahead.

There is really a lot of fleet opportunities in the Middle East. We have relationships with companies there actually from our legacy Novatel experience and so we’re leveraging those legacy opportunities into Ctrack applications and so there are a number of companies in the Middle East that has indicated an interest and in fact are deploying in the Middle East. So it’s primarily fleet in that particular region right now.

Kevin Dede

Analyst · Rodman and Renshaw. Please go ahead.

Okay. Now you also talked about developing a unified offering. I guess I’d sort of size that up to something more similar to what Fleetmatics does. Can you talk about the development invested there and what your targets are?

Sue Swenson

Analyst · Rodman and Renshaw. Please go ahead.

Sure. Actually it’s actually different from fleet. As I said if you look - it’s the capability that we acquired through FIMI they’ve been quite successful on and I think I’ve talked to you about this before on other formal call that I think FIMI really approach the customer and really brought their capability to bear individual customer by customer basis. And so what we’ve done is taken that capability along this great relationship that we’re going to have with this Tier 1 carrier and actually bundled that capability and we call it productizing it and actually putting it into bundle that makes it easy for the customer to understand, easy to purchase and get support for. So it actually hasn’t required a significant investment. We are continuing to add resources to support that but because we have that capability in FW, we haven't had to make significant investment in that particular opportunity which is a great position to be in very frankly. And it’s actually kind of exciting to see to be able to reverse that from starting with the customer back we’re actually identifying the vertical market where this offering we think is interesting and like I said FIMI has actually had experiences before so we feel pretty clear that this is the right opportunity. As you know the carriers are becoming quite interested in IoT. So this relationship with this carrier I think you are going to find quite interesting when we’re able to announce it.

Kevin Dede

Analyst · Rodman and Renshaw. Please go ahead.

Okay. So I just assume here that it’s more of a broad based IoT offering versus a strict Telematics solution.

Sue Swenson

Analyst · Rodman and Renshaw. Please go ahead.

It is an IoT offering that’s a bit, that really focuses on I’d call it business connectivity that’s what we’re really starting with and we’re also are approaching different companies with this business connectivity need. So it’s not really fleet, it isn’t fleet. It’s actually using, it’s bundling all of these capabilities as I said we’re bundling the hardware, the reporting and also the logistics and connectivity through the carrier. So bundling all that in a simple bundled solution for these customers in a simple way to purchase I think is what’s going to be attractive. Did you want to say something Mike?

Mike Newman

Analyst · Rodman and Renshaw. Please go ahead.

Yeah, so Kevin so our Telematics offering in the U.S. that we’re focusing on right now is the SMB opportunity that we described earlier for Ctrack. So this FW opportunity is not Telematics. So we’ve got two different things we’re working on right here, one is Telematics, one is non- Telematics both in the IoT segment.

Sue Swenson

Analyst · Rodman and Renshaw. Please go ahead.

Right two different things.

Kevin Dede

Analyst · Rodman and Renshaw. Please go ahead.

Fair enough. So Mike the original June 15 number top line was closer to $5 million versus what you are showing as a compare. The difference is probably what roughly $3 million, I am just wondering how to look at that for the balance of the year.

Mike Newman

Analyst · Rodman and Renshaw. Please go ahead.

What are you looking at Kevin when you said that June…

Kevin Dede

Analyst · Rodman and Renshaw. Please go ahead.

I guess it has to do with what you’ve divested. I am just kind of wondering how to look at that for the balance of the year?

Mike Newman

Analyst · Rodman and Renshaw. Please go ahead.

So I am still…..

Kevin Dede

Analyst · Rodman and Renshaw. Please go ahead.

For the balance of 15 that is, yeah okay so I apologize. Maybe this is a better question offline but you are showing are compare for June of 15 on the top line was what 51.7 versus what was originally reported 62.8. I am just wondering if that’s the business that went to Telit and if so was that $3 million sort of a fair revenue run rate.

Mike Newman

Analyst · Rodman and Renshaw. Please go ahead.

So we’re reporting – so Q2 of last year was 51.7, Q2 of this year is 62.8. If you are looking Q2 of last year and trying to understand the 51.7 compared to our Q2 of last year press release, in Q2 of last year this relates to I talked about this at the end of the fourth quarter not that I would expect you to necessarily remember. This related to a reclassification of certain revenues that were acquisition related revenues from FW that originally were booked at the full value of the hardware revenue but later on were corrected to book only at the gross margin. So what we originally reported in Q2 of last year was slightly higher revenue with slightly lower gross margin. That got corrected in Q4 to slightly lower revenue, slightly higher gross margin. The gross profit from Q2 of last year was always 16.0 and that was unchanged mainly of those variances. I think that’s what you are looking at.

Kevin Dede

Analyst · Rodman and Renshaw. Please go ahead.

Right. I am jus also wondering what those changes entail in the upcoming comparisons for September and December. So I guess December you’ve rectified already.

Mike Newman

Analyst · Rodman and Renshaw. Please go ahead.

Yes, so Q3 of last year revenue for Q3 of last year was $54.3 million, revenue for Q4 of last year was $61.5 million.

Kevin Dede

Analyst · Rodman and Renshaw. Please go ahead.

Okay. All right that helpful. Okay, folks thanks and thanks for that detail Mike and thanks for taking the questions.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Cobb Sadler with Catamount. Please go ahead.

Cobb Sadler

Analyst · Catamount. Please go ahead.

Hi guys, thanks a lot of taking the question and congrats on the profitability and the trajectory. Had a question on - so the two new Verizon products that you kind of talked about previously one of those is or is not the FIMI Wireless Tier 1 new product launch with a North American carrier?

Mike Newman

Analyst · Catamount. Please go ahead.

That is completely separate.

Sue Swenson

Analyst · Catamount. Please go ahead.

Right.

Mike Newman

Analyst · Catamount. Please go ahead.

When we talk about Verizon product launches and Q4 of that is not going to do with FW.

Cobb Sadler

Analyst · Catamount. Please go ahead.

Okay, got it. Okay. And so the two - the Verizon - the two new Verizon products those are continuity products or those some other products?

Sue Swenson

Analyst · Catamount. Please go ahead.

Those are the continued roadmap that we have Cobb with the Verizon in the next generation hotspot and then we're also talking about a product that is really the next generation of home phone connect type product in the market. So it just continues down there strategic roadmap on their network transition.

Mike Newman

Analyst · Catamount. Please go ahead.

A good way of thinking about it Cobb is that those launches with products with Verizon that we talked about, those are what we would typically think of as MiFi products. The FW product that we’re talking about or other carrier would be what we’d typically call an IoT product.

Cobb Sadler

Analyst · Catamount. Please go ahead.

Okay. And that was kind of the next question, do you have anything baked in into Q3 probably I think Q3 but maybe Q4 for that product or not?

Mike Newman

Analyst · Catamount. Please go ahead.

Well, we certainly have our expectations for new product launches baked into what we talk about for Q3 and Q4. When you’re looking at topline revenues for the launch of subscription based products, remember you tend to grow subscribers faster than you grow revenue, whatever you grow subscribers at one year, you tend to grow revenue at the next year proportionately.

Cobb Sadler

Analyst · Catamount. Please go ahead.

And I mean do you think bigger than the breadbasket type of situation, I mean, do you think - I mean do you expect to be a big product I mean is the carrier excited about it or kind of stick your toe in the water and see what happens and hopes the best?

Mike Newman

Analyst · Catamount. Please go ahead.

Things are going very well at the carrier. All indications are that carriers are very excited about it. We're not getting out ahead of ourselves in terms of forecasting and modeling, that excitement into dollars instantaneously hopefully that that happens. But you know where - we’re hopeful we’ll have the successful launch and things will grow sequentially as we go forward.

Sue Swenson

Analyst · Catamount. Please go ahead.

Cobb I would just add, I think the whole wireless carrier space is really important obviously as you can tell that Ctrack I talked about the existing relationships with carriers, the potential incremental relationships to carriers and all of them kind of look at things a little bit differently, some white label, some brands our brand. But with that scale and that distribution that’s a great relationship to have. So we really are - and as Mike said, the carriers are excited we are too and we’re looking forward to seeing how this can go to market. As you know the IoT space has been pretty hyped for a while and I think what you see emerging now are the more tangible products that actually customers buys and that are profitable. And so we're excited to be in both the fleet space because obviously that's an emerging IoT obviously product that’s actually quite profitable and quite attractive to people. And the FW opportunity we think is something because we’ve tested it in the marketplace something that people are attracted to. And as we have purged this SMB small to medium business space, you have to make offers to them quite simple and easy to purchase and easy to support. So I think it's right kind of than we will have.

Cobb Sadler

Analyst · Catamount. Please go ahead.

Okay. And so maybe come back to that in a second. But I just wanted to make sure we have the time on. So on ridesharing usage based insurance, you announced the insurance company that does deal with Uber drivers in South Africa. I mean how easy is that, so I guess, how does that whole market shakeout? I mean do you win South Africa and then it’s kind of a desperate situation where you got to move in and I will say Australia somewhere else win that business or can you prove yourself let’s say in South Africa and then get maybe, kind of a global license or global rollout for maybe the insurance company you’re dealing with Uber internationally throughout the world. I mean how does the easiest is it to scale from one country to global deal because it certainly is interesting that you are associated with the company like Uber and that you do have a big UBI win in South Africa it would be nice if that could scale to other countries?

Sue Swenson

Analyst · Catamount. Please go ahead.

Yes, it’s a great question. As I said in my comments about Ctrack, is one of the beauty of Ctrack is that some of these things are developed in one region and then as we look at the success in one region and look to scale it across other regions, those are some of the things that the Ctrack organization is currently looking for. I mean some of the - you know some of the products make more sense in one particular region but where there looks like opportunity to engage with a more global organization, we are certainly having those appropriate conversations to see to what degree we can take it to other countries. You know, part of the reason you become attracted to a company like Uber and others like that is that they see success and your ability to deploy in one country and that helps your opportunity to scale across other region. So we’re doing what we can there and hopefully we will be able to report out in the coming quarters where we’ve been successful in those places.

Cobb Sadler

Analyst · Catamount. Please go ahead.

Okay, that sounds good. And then the U.K. ridesharing, is that an UBI type deal or more like a traditional fleet management type deal because - and how that kind of - that didn't come about from your let’s say from your Uber South Africa deal that was a separate win, I would imagine?

Sue Swenson

Analyst · Catamount. Please go ahead.

So yes, that was separate and that was done by the folks in the U.K. We have an excellent leader in that particular organization who actually got that idea going and was successful in doing that. And as you - there’s different applications to the car sharing. And this particular on you have people or you have access to the vehicle regardless of where it is, billing that sort of things. So the car sharing applications and how the companies use it it’s a little bit different. But we have the ability to customize that depending on what’s the particular company want. So that’s been successful and we see other opportunities in that. We think that’s the space that looks pretty interesting. I looked at some data the other day talking about the - looking at the demographics in particular areas and the propensity of somebody to actually use the vehicle like that versus getting a vehicle around. So obviously it's more attractive in some areas than it is another's and that’s where we’re targeting.

Cobb Sadler

Analyst · Catamount. Please go ahead.

Okay. And I’m assuming these deals are contested I mean the usual suspects show up there’s an RFP, there's an break out type situation and you get the award. So that’s going to have to go down?

Sue Swenson

Analyst · Catamount. Please go ahead.

Let me tell you that it’s always very competitive and we’re delighted to be able to tell you that we’re able to win those deals.

Cobb Sadler

Analyst · Catamount. Please go ahead.

Okay. And then last question just going back to the - I think you said you have five carrier deals, did I get that right? And I know MTN is one you mentioned maybe to announce or announced I'm not - and then you said that maybe you - made some progress in Australia. Can you just reset the data on what carrier deal you’ve announced? And then I guess the other - via math just so we know and then how those deals work so those are probably contested bake of I'd imagine, you somehow get selected because your product wins, are there other vendors that are also able to do business there and how does the carrier actually convert to revenues? So does FIMI go in, and kind of co-sell or how do that work because it certainly seems like 300 million subscribers at MTN a lot to double the size of Verizon let's say or maybe more, there looks like there could be a lot of business there. And so how do you convert that into dollars?

Sue Swenson

Analyst · Catamount. Please go ahead.

Well let’s see if I can remember all your questions. I think it boils down to a couple of things. First of all, those deals are contested obviously they're quite attractive so they’re very interesting to companies like ourselves. So we’re proud that we were able to win them. Secondly, it depends on what the carrier wants to do MTN is the white label situation. So that’s how they wanted to do there. But there are other carriers where we can actually go in and they use our brands. So it really depends on what the carrier likes to do. The carrier MTN is the only one that has been announced, the others are not announceable at this time but we are deploying with them. And like I said, Cobb, I think this is an attractive market and the fact that we have experience and success with carriers, I think positions us well for new opportunities where as maybe other companies haven’t have that kind of success. We know how to work with them, we know what the offer looks like and I think that's why Ctrack frankly has been successful not only in the carriers that they have current relationships with but the potential new carriers that are potentially coming our way.

Cobb Sadler

Analyst · Catamount. Please go ahead.

And you...

Sue Swenson

Analyst · Catamount. Please go ahead.

I think I’ve answered all your questions.

Cobb Sadler

Analyst · Catamount. Please go ahead.

No, that was an excellent report. And you - I mean may certainly goes in but you somehow trained your sales force and the sales force is already up to speed on how to sell. I mean do you kind of co-sell, is there a lot of hand holding in the beginning and then there’s investment upfront and then it kind of takes off, I mean how does that work you think?

Sue Swenson

Analyst · Catamount. Please go ahead.

Once again it really depends on how the carrier wants to do it. Sometimes their particular teams perhaps will do lead generation and we actually on our end actually get that qualified referral and then we close it and then we manage the customer. Other carriers want to do - have a little more activity at the front end and actually sell but it really depends on how the carrier wants to do it. There's no kind of cookie-cutter approach but regardless of how the carrier, I mean there aren’t many options but I think we can accommodate anything as the carrier wants to do. Having that kind of reach, you said it Cobb has tremendous reach with 300 million subscribers and it's an attractive channel for us to partner with.

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