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Kingsoft Cloud Holdings Limited (KC)

Q4 2022 Earnings Call· Wed, Mar 29, 2023

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Operator

Operator

Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Kingsoft Cloud Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2022 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Please be advised today's conference is being recorded. I'd now like to hand the conference over to your first speaker today, Nicole Shan, IR Manager. Please go ahead.

Nicole Shan

Analyst

Thank you, operator. Hello, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. Kingsoft Cloud's fourth quarter and full year 2022 earnings release was distributed earlier today and is available on our IR website at ir.ksyun.com, as well as on the GlobalNewswire services. On the call today from Kingsoft Cloud, we have our Vice Chairman and CEO, Mr. Tao Zou; and our CFO, Mr. Henry He. Mr. Zou will review our business strategy, operations and the company highlights, followed by Mr. He, who will discuss the financials and the guidance. They will be available to answer your questions during the Q&A session that follows. There will be consecutive integration, our integrations are for your covenants and reference covers only. In case of any discrepancy in management statement in our original language will prevail. Before we begin, I would like to remind you that this conference call contains forward-looking statements within the meaning of Section 21E of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 as demand and as defined in the U.S. Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These forward-looking statements are based upon management's current expectations and current market and operating conditions and related to on that well known or unknown risks, uncertainties and other factors, all of which are difficult to predict and many of which are beyond the company's control, which may cause the company's actual results, performance or achievements to differ materially from those in the forward-looking statements. Further information regarding this and other risks, uncertainties or factors are included in the company's filings with the U.S. SEC. The company does not undertake any obligation to update any forward-looking statements as a result of new information, future events or underlie except as required under attributable by law. Finally, please note that an otherwise stated, all financial figures mentioned during this conference call are denominated in RMB. It's now my pleasure to introduce our Vice Chairman and CEO, Mr. Zou. Please go ahead.

Tao Zou

Analyst

[Foreign Language] Hello, everyone, and thank you all for joining Kingsoft Cloud's Fourth Quarter and Fiscal Year 2022 Earnings Call. 2022 was an extraordinary year in many ways, and we're pleased to have successfully navigated the various challenges we faced in the complex and dynamic environment. As I took on the CEO role, we have remained committed to our strategy for high-quality, sustainable growth while continuing to building success based on technology. We have also implemented cost reduction and efficiency initiatives, which have resulted in steady improvements to our profitability. I am pleased to highlight some of our notable results with it. In Q4, we saw a remarkable increase in our adjusted stock profit, reaching RMB 169 million, representing a fourfold increase year-over-year. Adjusted gross margin increased to 7.9%, rising by a significant 6.7% from the same period last year. Furthermore, our net operating cash inflow amounted to RMB 370 million, marking the third consecutive quarter of positive net operating cash flow since Q2 of last year. We also recorded a quarterly free cash inflow for the first time, which is an important milestone for us. These impressive results demonstrated our strong business resilience and provided a solid foundation for us to stabilize restarts and emerge even stronger. Now I would like to provide some updates on our progress in 3 areas, namely public cloud, enterprise cloud and research and development. I'll start with public cloud services. In Q4, revenues from this business remained stable at RMB 1.35 billion, representing a slight increase from the third quarter. We fine-tuned our positioning and incremented differentiated strategies for key account customers and midsized customers with key account partners, we strive to maintain a balance between revenue and profitability While delivering the ultimate service experience to establish a superior word-of-mouth reputation for our…

Henry He

Analyst

Thank you, Tao Zou, and welcome, everyone, for joining the call. Before diving into the financial details, I will walk you through a quick summary for the fourth quarter 2022. First of all, with our strong commitment to improve profitability, we have taken comprehensive measures from all sectors, including proactive adjustments to our CDN services, strategic restructuring of customer mix, prudent sanitized cloud selection and a strict control of fixed assets and operational expenses. Since the third quarter of 2022, our adjusted gross margin has been increased for 5 consecutive quarters, increasing from 1.2% in the fourth quarter in 2022 to 3.6% in the second quarter last year, 6.3% third quarter and a further to 7.9% this quarter. Adjusted gross profit increased by 408% year-over-year to RMB 168.5 million this quarter. We disposed certain underutilized service based on the current customer demand and record loss on disposal of properties and equipment. However, we believe this is helpful for our long-term development and gross margin expansion. Non-GAAP EBITDA margin profit was negative RMB 245.1 million, impacted by nonrecurring Hong Kong IPO listing expenses of RMB 94.9 million and a loss of disposal of properties and equipment of RMB 208.8 million. Non-GAAP EBITDA margin was negative 11.5%. However, it's excluding the IPO expenses and the loss of disposal of properties and equipment expenses, our non-GAAP EBITDA margin would have been negative 5.7%, compared with negative 10.3% last quarter and a negative 4.7% in the same period of 2021. Second, our operating cash flow has been positive for the past 3 quarters consecutively, and we have achieved RMB 370.4 million net operating cash inflow this quarter. Thanks to our prudent control over capital expenditures, free cash flow, as measured in net cash generated from operating activities minus capital expenditures, was RMB 259.6 million,…

Nicole Shan

Analyst

This concludes our prepared remarks. [indiscernible] This answer contains both Mandarin and English, if possible. Operator, please go ahead.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] We'll now take our first question. This is from the line of Brian Gong from Citi.

Brian Gong

Analyst

[Foreign Language] I will translate myself. I have 2 questions. First is regarding the enterprise cloud. Regarding the 3 verticals, how should we see the demand this year? Last year, the delivery was impacted by cold wave. So this year, should we see faster growth? And how should we balance the growth -- revenue growth and the margin? And the second question is about China GBT. The total trust mentioned as individual cloud provider, we have some advantages in China. But in China, for those Internet giants who have capability to develop large language models, they all have their own cloud service. So if the auto price users, they use their language, large language model, will those users more -- have more intention to use those [indiscernible] cloud services?

Tao Zou

Analyst

[Foreign Language] So as you rightly pointed out, so we are noticing that right now, we are going through the opening up phase after the COVID period. And the country is also reverting back to the model of business development. And admittedly, last year, they had the COVID situation and relevant restrictions did have impact to our deployment and delivery of our industry of our enterprise cloud business, and some of the planned deployment that was originally planned to be completed in Q4 last year were actually delayed this year. But if you look at the situation now, although we haven't disclosed the particulars and the concrete numbers of the specific 3 verticals that you mentioned, we do remain highly confident about our operating metrics in our enterprise cloud, including revenue, including gross profit and including our operating margin, and we expect to have significant improvements in those metrics. And secondly, I would like to clarify in our pursuit of high-quality and sustainable growth does not necessarily mean that we do not pursue growth. For every customer and for every project, what we do is to evaluate whether that customer and that project centered around the core cost business and whether that brings about profitability to us. In other words, if some of the customers and projects, even if we evaluate them from a longer time period, and it will not bring about profitability to the company, and this is actually not a high-quality project and not high-quality development. So the point I would like to mention, and I would like to highlight is that in the past, we have been overly of emphasizing the growth. And now what we need to do is to replace that overly emphasis on growth to high-quality and sustainable growth, which is of strategic…

HenryHe

Analyst

[Foreign Language] Hello, Brian. The first question you're asking about probably [indiscernible] information. I think, first of all, if you look at our Q-on-Q growth, if you remember last quarter, we created about RMB 600 million revenue for the prior 3 verticals in total. But I'd probably encourage you to look at into the sectors. Because in Q4, we delivered around RMB 784 million revenue, which is actually on a net to net on a Q-on-Q basis, it's about RMB 180 million increase. And if you remember, in December last year in Beijing, as everyone probably remember, people on station at home and the city was basically affected by the COVID and pandemic in December last year. So if you put that into context, you will see that given that we have a solid relationship with our customers and we have a lot of constraints from an operational perspective, but we're still increasing on a quarterly basis. that actually prove our capability in a difficult time of execute, deliver and bolting on revenue on enterprise card, which actually demonstrate our technology and the client relationships. The second point I also want to mention is while on this quarter, we didn't provide a color on the backlog, and I appreciate you didn't ask that question, but we are hoping that going forward, we'll disclose more information, especially in the backlog and new signing on the contracts on the enterprise cloud revenues. But I'm happy to provide some color is if we see the backlog at this moment, at this time, the backlog we have today will fully cover our potential budget for the NPS Cloud in the year 2023 for this year. And we're still in Q1, so we're hoping we'll be increasing the backlog this year. And we do have the confidence that we're going to move into the more balancing of the growth and quality model, but the potential and the capability of the growth, we do have that confidence in our hand. And the third point, we also didn't mention that in the prepared remarks, given we focus on the vertical and the customers, the repeating the percentage of the repeating customers in Q4 and Q3 last year has been increasing quite a lot, which means that even though you see about RMB 700 million revenue on a quality basis, but the percentage of that number coming from the same customer, but the different phases of projects increasing quite a lot and also give us a base that for next year and this year, next year, we can have the potential incremental revenue build on a solid basis. And hopefully, for the next time in a quarterly earnings calls, we can help provide some color on the backlog as well as the percentage of customers going forward. We have that plan for the budgeting disclosure process going forward hopefully will be helpful.

Operator

Operator

We'll take out next question. This is from the line of Timothy Zao from Goldman Sachs.

Timothy Zao

Analyst

[Foreign Language] I have 2 questions. First, could management share your outlook on the public cloud demand in 203? And between the big enterprise speaking companies and the small SMEs, which kind of companies do you think have a bigger amount on public health for this year? And secondly, we saw that last year, a company has very good execution on profitability in both gross margin and EBITDA margin. Could management share your updated outlook for the gross margin and EBITDA margin for -- A –Tao Zou : [Foreign Language] Just quickly translate for CEO. So as it relates to your first question, because I think the public cloud services and products are really just centered around some of the core components, including computing, storage and a network. So I do not necessarily think that demand has to do like different and have to do with the size of the enterprise that we serve. So everything really depends on the particular application scenario and the business situation of our customer enterprise. So for example, we would have our video company customers with their core demand coming from our CDN and storage business, and we will also have customers, for example, like in the AI industry that would really demand the computing at the core demand. So that is the general response I have to translate your first question.

HenryHe

Analyst

Thank you. I’ll take on the second one. So before I go in there about the 2023 target, I just want to lay out the 3 major reasons for 2022. First of all, for the PP&E, we booked on balance sheet, we did try our efforts to reduce redundancy and other kind of misallocation of the revenue and the resources. So that’s actually the effort has been taken for 2 or 3 quarters since the middle of 2022. And I don’t think those are going to be the onetime off impact because, one, to increase the utilization ratio for the assets and resources, those benefits on the gross margin will be gradually released over time. So that will build first layer of the margin expansion for this year. Second of all is given we – as a team, we’re together to change the combination of the customer base. So right now, as our CEO mentioned, our midsized client base has been increasing sequentially as a total percentage of total revenue. And I would say that the pricing and the profitability from those buckets of the customer definitely much better than we are serving a single client basis, right? So that’s going to be 2 benefits, reduce the [indiscernible] risk, but also improving profitability as a whole. And those benefits were built in the second layer or the gross margin for 2022. And the third, obviously, is the variable expenses control, as I mentioned in the prepared remarks. Very basic since the travel expenses accommodation, how we pay people and how we change the mix of incentives, the cash plus the stocks and a lot of things like during the past year. And I would say that only part of the benefit has been reflected in the Q4 number because we…

Operator

Operator

We'll now take our next question. Please stand by. And this is from Allen Li from JPMorgan.

Allen Li

Analyst

[Foreign Language] Let me quickly translate my question. My question is regarding the CapEx. We preinvest in CapEx in past few years. But due to all kinds of macro headwinds, our overall utilization rate seems not very high and it also negatively impacted our margins. So looking into this year, given the potentially huge opportunity generated by AI industries, so how should we think about our CapEx plan in 2023? And we will take a more proactive approach or a reactive approach in terms of AI-related CapEx investing?

Tao Zou

Analyst

[Foreign Language] So as [indiscernible] pointed out, with the new generation AI technology named the GPT eruption or disruption, we have had actually already preempted actions in terms of reserve in both technology and resources. However, I would summarize our attitude as cautiously optimistic rather than blindly pursuing this potential opportunity. Because based on our experience with a larger generation of AI industry trajectory, we do think that currently, the market is tends to be or seems to be overheated and we expect it to actually enter into a more sustainable but slower growth kind of boat. What we will continue to do in this, we'll adopt a kind of approach like run with small steps and with quick iteration. I also want to point out that in terms of the hardware, there's also the more [indiscernible], which essentially means that the development and -- the development and upgrade of such hardware, we're actually going to give up. So we do not see if it makes a lot of sense to massively affording the last generation of such chips and servers. Thank you.

HenryHe

Analyst

[Foreign Language] I'll probably put some additional color on this question as well. So if you remember on the year IPO 2020, we spent about RMB 1 billion on the CapEx. So first of all, I'll mention point is as a company, we do have capacity and experience to managing spending RMB 1 billion, whatever with purpose, and we do have a very experienced team. And we do know the supply chain. And also, we have a good partnership with our ecosystem partner, including our shareholders, [indiscernible] group as well as Xiaomi, managing the complexity of buying those big chunk of assets at a reasonable price given the past experience. That's the first point. The second point is, I think your question is coming from more about investments, not only about products. If you look at the investment, we're putting into 2 buckets. The team, the technology R&D team, which our senior people as a team managing today, we have quite a lot of very experienced engineering programmers. And those expenses is not a CapEx. And expenses are booked on our P&L income statement. And as we mentioned, we spent over RMB 1 billion every year on those expenses and R&D investment. So I think we do not hesitate to invest into R&D and products. So I think that's very clear. However, if you are looking into the cash flow item on the capital expenditures, which I want to say, also going to have a different model because as our CEO has also mentioned, we see the great financial opportunities were coming from both Internet clients as well as implementation and application of the user cases from a lot of diversified and non-iconic clients, especially from traditional enterprises. And those business model will not pursue Kingsoft Cloud on capital because…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And at this point, I would now hand back to Nicole Shan for closing remarks.

Nicole Shan

Analyst

Thank you, operator. Thanks, everyone. This concludes our earnings call. Thank you again for joining us today. If you have any other customers, please feel free to contact us. Look forward to speaking with you the next quarter. Have a nice day. Bye-bye.

Operator

Operator

This does conclude the conference for today. Thank you for participating, and you may now disconnect.