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Korn Ferry (KFY)

Q4 2008 Earnings Call· Wed, Jun 11, 2008

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Operator

Operator

Welcome to the Korn/Ferry International conference call. (Operator Instructions) Before I turn the call over to your host Mr. Gary D. Burnison, let me first read a cautionary statement to investors. Certain statements made in the presentation today will constitute forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Although the company believes the expectations reflected in such forward-looking statements are based on reasonable assumptions, investors are cautioned not to place undue reliance on such statements. Actual results in future periods may differ materially from those currently expected or desired, because of the number of risks and uncertainties which are beyond the company’s control. Additional information concerning such risks and uncertainties can be found in the company’s annual report for fiscal 2007. With that, I’ll turn the call over to Mr. Burnison; please go ahead sir.

Gary Burnison

Management

Good morning and thank you all for joining us. This morning we’re pleased to announce that fiscal 2008 was a very good year for the company; in fact, the best in the company’s 38.5 year history. I’m proud of our colleagues and their achievements over the last year. Beginning with the credit crisis in the US last summer, the macroeconomic climate surrounding our business has been challenging. Yet despite these conditions fiscal 2008 was a banner year. Thank you to our colleagues and clients around the world. Through the collaborative efforts of Paul, our Board, our leadership team and my fellow Korn/Ferry colleagues we have a differentiated vision, mission and strategy to create a diversified talent management organization; the top of mind brand in human capital. None to be a firm that transforms the lives of those we serve linking talent and strategy to drive sustainable value for our clients. Today’s Korn/Ferry comprises three growing and thriving businesses. We were once again rated number one in executive recruitment. Futurestep ended the year on a revenue run rate of almost $125 million and revenue from our leadership development business was up 63% with improving bottom line results. Our fourth quarter run rate was almost $860 million with Mexico, with $200 million of which coming from Futurestep and our leadership businesses. And in fact on a run rate basis the top line from Futurestep and leadership development combined are the equivalent of about 80% of our total firm just five years ago. The progress has been absolutely outstanding. In fiscal 2008 we reached new heights in the industry never attained before. Revenue was up 21%, earnings rose 12%, for the quarter fee revenue reached another all-time high—a little over $208 million, up 16% over the prior year and 3.5% sequentially. The EPS…

Stephen Giusto

Chief Financial Officer

Thank you Gary and good morning everyone. This has been an excellent year from a growth standpoint and today we are pleased to announce another record quarter of revenue for Korn/Ferry International. As Gary stated fiscal 2008 fourth quarter fee revenue grew 16% versus the final quarter of fiscal 2007 to a new all-time industry high of $208.2 million. On a sequential basis revenue grew 3.5%. For the year, revenues improved by 21% to $791 million; the most ever reported in our industry. Korn/Ferry’s fee revenue has now grown sequentially each quarter for almost a full five years. This is our 19th consecutive quarter of revenue growth dating back to July of 2003 with fee revenues growing at a compound annual growth rate of approximately 22% over this period. Fiscal 2008 fourth quarter EPS was $0.36 per share, up $0.06 year-over-year on a GAAP basis, flat with the as adjusted year-ago quarter and down $0.01 sequentially. For the year EPS grew 12.3% from an as adjusted $1.30 in fiscal 2007 to $1.46 per share this year. As Gary mentioned this is also a record level of earnings for us. Fiscal 2008 fourth quarter operating earnings were down 15% year-over-year and 5% sequentially. For the year as we have continued to invest in our business, operating earnings were up approximately 6%; somewhat less then the increase in revenues. Our operating margins were impacted during the year by the following costs that were incurred during the year but have expected benefits in the years to come. We invested to improve executive search productivity, most significantly in a comprehensive assessment tool called KF Advantage. This tool is aimed at more accurately aligning client needs with the specific scientifically tested leadership characteristics of candidates. We expect this tool to favorably impact cycle times, client…

Operator

Operator

(Operator Instructions) Your first question comes from the line of Josh Vogel – Sidoti & Company Josh Vogel – Sidoti & Company: Is it possible to breakout amongst each region the average bill rate increases year-over-year in Q4 and maybe on the year?

Gary Burnison

Management

We historically have not done that and we don’t have that data in front of us. I will tell you that over the last several quarters going back say 17, 18 quarters ago, our average fee was globally was $55,000 and today its almost $100,000. We have consistently moved the average fee up which reflects one of our strategies to elevate the brand. It’s been a fairly consistent rise in average fee though across the globe. And in the emerging markets, in China and in Latin America, we’ve seen a steady rise and I think we’ll continue to see that. Josh Vogel – Sidoti & Company: Shifting over to Europe, are France and Germany about 50% of your European revenue?

Gary Burnison

Management

It think it’s—if you look at France and Germany its going to be a little bit less then that. The UK is probably off the top of my head 30% or so and so France and Germany would not be 50% together but clearly those three countries are greater then 50% of our business. However we’re in 23 countries and we’re seeing phenomenal growth in the Middle East, Central and Eastern Europe, and we’re making investments in those parts of the region. Josh Vogel – Sidoti & Company: But with France and Germany particularly can you just discuss any macro trends you’re seeing there or just how these markets are holding up?

Gary Burnison

Management

Holding up pretty well, if you look sequentially in the quarter, actually Germany was up sequentially in the fourth quarter versus the third quarter. France was down slightly. I wouldn’t read anything into that, we’ve had a phenomenal year in France. Our team there really did a great job. In the UK, it was actually up in the quarter sequentially. Josh Vogel – Sidoti & Company: Financial services, you mentioned was up 9% year-over-year, if you were to breakout the vertical, how much of the financial services is overseas and can you maybe break down in the quarter between the US and Europe what the financial services sector did?

Gary Burnison

Management

Its financial services is, if you look overall is as a percentage of the company its less then 20%. And if you look within the financial services sector North America represents slightly less then 40% of the financial services business. If you look by sector, its equally well balanced; consumers 22%, investment and commercial banking is 18%, asset management is probably about 17%, insurance is about 17%, real estate is 18%, and capital markets and wealth management is probably 8% to 10%. So that’s how the portfolio would be distributed. Josh Vogel – Sidoti & Company: Was financial services up year-over-year in the US last quarter?

Stephen Giusto

Chief Financial Officer

No it was flat—I think we said that in our prepared remarks. Josh Vogel – Sidoti & Company: Of the 24 consultants that were added year-over-year, which regions were most of those consultants added or was that broad based?

Gary Burnison

Management

Broad based. Josh Vogel – Sidoti & Company: On the balance sheet, the non-current marketable securities, I think it’s about $20 million, is that the auction rate securities?

Stephen Giusto

Chief Financial Officer

Yes, those are some auction rate securities that are complying with our contractual interest payment—so we’re continuing to hold those. We’re going to hold them and they’re for sale at par but we’re not going to sell them below par. As I mentioned we have plenty of liquidity. We think we have modest excess liquidity actually at this point which as I said is going to be our mode for awhile until we see which way the economies are going. But we’ve reclassified those as we signaled during last quarter to long-term because its difficult to know when that market is going to open up.

Gary Burnison

Management

Let me tell you, the France and Germany are about 22% of the business in the region. The UK is 25% so those three countries slightly less then 50% of our business which shows the growing nature of the emerging markets over there.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Tobey Sommer – Suntrust Robinson Humphrey Tobey Sommer – Suntrust Robinson Humphrey: I wanted to ask if I could get a little more color on what you’re seeing in terms of financial services search demand and how you’re measuring that and looking at factors going forward there?

Gary Burnison

Management

Well I think the financial services market if you look at say capital markets or investment banking and everything that you read in the paper, I think those are going to be challenging sectors for the next few quarters. But we have a fairly balanced portfolio and have a pretty good commercial banking business, insurance, real estate, and those businesses are holding up very, very well.

Stephen Giusto

Chief Financial Officer

The one thing that I would add too is, and we’ve mentioned this in the past, is our exposure to financial services is less then some of our competitors and so the news in the press is obviously pretty negative on financial services. It’s been a challenged sector to be employed in but when you look at the breadth of markets that we serve, the upside for us we think is pretty strong and over the medium-term we believe that we have the opportunity to increase the size of our financial services practice across the globe. Tobey Sommer – Suntrust Robinson Humphrey: Going forward what are you looking for as far as expected growth in consultant headcount in 2009 and what are you plans there?

Stephen Giusto

Chief Financial Officer

We’ve modeled out some growth for next year. It is focused in some of the areas where we have opportunities. Its some major markets where we see significant opportunities but we’re going to be pretty careful about it. The growth will likely be in-line with our revenue growth and we just go out one quarter in terms of where we think the business is headed. But as we watch the evolution of our business over this year, we will be continuing to look for talent because the most important asset that we can build during this period of potential economic headwinds is to continue to build the talent base of our companies so that we can continue to help clients build their talent base. Tobey Sommer – Suntrust Robinson Humphrey: We’re seeing some data coming out that’s seeing some moderation in CEO turnover, what are you seeing in terms of CEO turnover and any noticeable difference in terms of verticals or regions or anything like that?

Gary Burnison

Management

We have not seen necessarily a slowdown. If you look at the average tenure of CFOs and CEOs publically traded companies in the United States it’s certainly statistically down in a very big way over the last several years. We haven’t seen anything in the last three or four months that would be contrary to that but again a month or two doesn’t make a trend.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Mark Marcon – Robert W. Baird & Co. Mark Marcon – Robert W. Baird & Co.: Gary and Paul to the extent that you’re on the phone as well, congratulations on the year, tremendous job relative to when you took over.

Gary Burnison

Management

Thank you. Paul will definitely be on the phone and he appreciates that Mark, thank you very much. Mark Marcon – Robert W. Baird & Co.: I mean I don’t think many people appreciate how much you have done. So having said that, this was a very good year, very good progress strategically, obviously the one area that people are a little concerned about, obviously you’re getting the shorter term questions about financial services but how should we think about the operating margins? One of the key challenges in this business is obviously your consultants are all in the habit of placing people, they view themselves as being producers and sometimes at the peak of the market is when they become the most demanding from a compensation perspective and it seems like that’s what we’re seeing in some of your operating margin trends, particularly in North America. So I’m wondering how are you going to deal with that because it looks like demand is still good now but clearly there’s mixed macro signals and it’s possible that people are going to start demanding more comp just as things are starting to head down.

Gary Burnison

Management

We don’t view it that way. It’s obviously a possibility and we’re very mindful of that. Our brand is reinforced every day by the colleagues that we have around the world and today is a much different Korn/Ferry then yesterday and tomorrow’s Korn/Ferry is going to be even better and more robust. Today 22% of our business comes from solutions and services outside the flagship business. I guess our view is that if people join us for money they’re going to leave for money. And we hope that we are building a platform that is intellectually stimulating, that our colleagues are developed, that we’re providing a platform that can drive more sustainable value to our clients linking talent and strategy. Ultimately we really believe that we’re actually going to create a business that can create lifetime career opportunities for our colleagues and opportunities for our colleagues to rotate among the different businesses. Now I’m not going to say that compensation is not important because it is and we’re very proud of what we’ve done over the last six to seven years for shareholders as well as for our colleagues. So we don’t—I hear your concerns but we have a lot of very, very tenured employees and consultants. I was just with a partner two days ago who has been with our company for 31 years so its less transient then you would think. Mark Marcon – Robert W. Baird & Co.: How should we think about the North American margins for this year? You ended up having a nice healthy 14% year-over-year increase in revenue in North America, margins contracted and you basically for an almost $50 million revenue increase you ended up with a $1 million operating profit increase. How should we think about that? Was that LDS and can you split that out in terms of what the impact from LDS was?

Stephen Giusto

Chief Financial Officer

I think you should look at a couple of things. First as I mentioned during the prepared remarks we did make some relatively significant investments in our future that all run through current P&L so you have to include in your thinking about $9 million worth of investments in the business that run through P&L that are expected to have benefits to our business into the future. You then also have to look at the investments we’re making in some of these newer businesses and its not just LDS, its LDS and Futurestep really beginning to make some impact on our top line and not yet making all the impact that we expect out of them at the bottom line. Futurestep in the quarter and trending into the new year is reaching the sorts of margins that they have expected and that we expect for them long-term. LDS is not quite there yet but it’s made progress during the year so it’s a net profitable business for us at this point including Lominger. The consulting business is still a work-in-progress but that part of that is scale and part of that is more disciplined around our pricing and our go-to-market strategy etc. And then fundamentally the executive search business is a very profitable strong cash flow business. It is impacted as you mentioned by compensation and we have to managed that in a balanced way but we’re expecting that over time we’re going to build a diversified platform of businesses that have sustainable margins that are higher then what we reported in this fourth quarter. Whether that’s this next quarter or this year, I think people are going to judge that based on what we’ve said. But we’re looking at growth of the business over the long run into a multi billion dollar platform with sustainable strong margins.

Gary Burnison

Management

And the other thing too is that the North American business gets a bit penalized because some of the initiatives that we’re talking about and some other things don’t get fully allocated out so I think what you’ll find in the first quarter is the margins will pop back up in North America. Mark Marcon – Robert W. Baird & Co.: That’s what I was trying to get at in terms of understanding LDS and some of the other investments is I think what happens is a lot of investors look at your trends just in terms of what they see in the segment ops and they—most people aren’t appreciative of all the various investments and so I was just trying to get a sense for if we just looked at core executive search within North America, could you give us a sense for, roughly speaking, how margins are trending there?

Gary Burnison

Management

Again, margins have increased. I will tell you that we have been proactively managing the business so for example last August, we put in place some contingency plans, we saw they had wins in the United States and so we started actively managing the workforce. So there’s some costs going through there to more proactively do that. There’s also investments that we’ve made in the KF Advantage, The Art & Science of Talent, and again those don’t necessarily get pushed out to the regions. Then as Stephen said, you’ve got the leadership business. So the core North American executive search business, if you look at the margins, certainly have not deteriorated. Mark Marcon – Robert W. Baird & Co.: You were one of the early leaders within the industry to sound the alarm about maybe things are going to get a little tough, you actually sound more positive on this call then you have recently. Is it your sense that maybe things aren’t going to be that bad or how are you thinking about things?

Gary Burnison

Management

Well we—you don’t know, none of us have a crystal ball. We are committed to building a long-term sustainable business here. I do not think there’s a labor bubble. I would be very, very surprised. In the United States as you know in this last expansion produced the least number of jobs per month on record since World War II. As we visit clients we just do not sense that there is a labor bubble. Having said that I think that there’s going to continue to be some headwinds at least in the United States, over the next couple of quarters. Mark Marcon – Robert W. Baird & Co.: Can you give us a sense for what the bonus accrual is for this quarter and what the expected payout is when the bonuses get paid so that we can think about what the excess cash will be after the payout occurs?

Stephen Giusto

Chief Financial Officer

We accrued about $48 million this quarter, we’re going to payout north of $165 million and we’re going to have plenty of cash after that to continue to invest in the business. As we disclosed in our financial filings some of our cash is allocated to long-term investments for our people etc. but even after that we’ve got north of $100 million of investible cash after appropriate reserves for working capital etc. And as we mentioned we have two significant opportunities during this coming year. One is that to the extent there are economic headwinds and valuations of attractive acquisitions come down, we’re in the market and looking actively at how we can address adjacent markets that would be relevant to our clients. And then secondly we will opportunistically be returning cash to shareholders through the buybacks. So we’re very comfortable with the strength and soundness of our balance sheet at this point.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Ty Govatos – CL King & Associates Ty Govatos – CL King & Associates: Just some number questions, and let me add my congratulations over the last five years; you’ve done a spectacular job. Any indication of what the tax rate might be for this coming year and CapEx?

Stephen Giusto

Chief Financial Officer

We have budgeted 38.5% in tax rate for next year and our CapEx will be a little bit down from this year but kind of in the same ballpark. I don’t want to make it too granular but we continue to invest as Gary said in our technology infrastructure. We’ve got a few other things that we need to do but CapEx as a percentage of our revenues is still pretty small. Ty Govatos – CL King & Associates: Any reason for the lower tax rate in the fourth quarter?

Stephen Giusto

Chief Financial Officer

Yes most of the benefit we received is for below-the-line sorts of things. So its capital loss benefits etc. that come out of some of the investment programs that we have. So when you look at our rate going forward we’re trying to do it more on an operating basis. We don’t completely control what happens below the line, so the 38.5% rate we think is pretty representative of what you should expect out of operations.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Kevin McVeigh – Credit Suisse Kevin McVeigh – Credit Suisse: What was the net impact of all the investments in North America in the fourth quarter on operating margins?

Stephen Giusto

Chief Financial Officer

Well I gave it for the whole business and it was about $8.5 million through the year. We didn’t break it out in the quarter. The impact on our margins for the year was north of 100 basis points so we have seen—we’re going to continue to make investments like that. You just have to be comfortable with the fact that we’re going to try to balance the investments with appropriate levels of profitability. Kevin McVeigh – Credit Suisse: In terms of the guidance into the first quarter can you give us a sense by region what you’d expect on the top line and then from a [inaudible] contribution as well, just directionally?

Stephen Giusto

Chief Financial Officer

Well as we’ve said we’re most focused on what’s happening in the North American economic climate and we expect kind of flat to maybe a little bit down in the US economy. We’re hopeful that that won’t be the case but everyone reads the papers and it’s a little dicey. We would expect Europe to retain some strength although it has considerable seasonality and it’s going through the summer. And then Asia Pac is probably the toughest one to answer. If it’s decoupled from the US economy, we think it’s going to be up. If it’s not decoupled which is hard to gauge right now, it could be flat or down a little bit. So this is from my perspective a really difficult environment to predict in because each day we receive incremental data points that seem to move markets and we’re watching it as carefully as anyone. But we’re bullish on our opportunities going into this year but also trying to communicate some appropriate level of caution. Kevin McVeigh – Credit Suisse: Not to belabor the margin question, but when you highlighted the increased severance to increase productivity, that was outside of the $8.5 million, right? That was separate?

Stephen Giusto

Chief Financial Officer

That was part of the $8.5 million. Just to be clear, its severance and related costs so some of the—the majority of it is in comp but some of it’s in our SG&A as well. Kevin McVeigh – Credit Suisse: And that’s where the bad debt would come in?

Stephen Giusto

Chief Financial Officer

Not necessarily the bad debt, but other costs of moving people out of the business, legal costs, etc. It’s the ongoing cost of making certain that on average that we continue to improve the overall productivity and talent of our workforce. Kevin McVeigh – Credit Suisse: You were pretty clear in terms of capital allocation, but you only bought back about $6.5 million of stock in the quarter, given where the stock was, does that position you to do a larger type acquisition if the right opportunity presented itself or is that just a function of keeping the balance sheet as liquid as possible?

Stephen Giusto

Chief Financial Officer

Well first of all we bought no stock back during this quarter. We bought $56.5 million during the year so we think we’ve been fair to our shareholders in terms of returning capital to them but I think your last point is really where we are is we are retaining some excess liquidity and its for a couple of different potential uses and one as you mentioned is acquisitions. It doesn’t mean necessarily that the size of what we’re looking at has changed. But we certainly are actively looking for adjacent spaces that we can be relevant in and then part of it has been that as a new CFO I just wanted to make certain our balance sheet was incredibly rock solid through this period and so its my fundamental conservatism I guess which caused us to slow down a little bit. So I’m comfortable with some excess liquidity in the short run.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Clint Fendley – Davenport & Co. Clint Fendley – Davenport & Co.: I wondered if you could talk a little bit about how the competitive environment has changed at Futurestep and also just the RPO market in general in light of the slowdown that we’ve seen, how is pricing holding up, would you expect that we’ll see increasing consolidation in coming months?

Gary Burnison

Management

Well we believe first and foremost it is a multi $100 million opportunity. I think its going to continue to gain traction around the world by clients. I am very proud of our team, to continue to move the business towards that outsourcing model and slowly get away from single search, particularly in the US. I think there’s less players then the hype in terms of RPO. There’s certainly, we’ve seen three or four sales of “RPO” companies that we looked at as well and quite honestly we just did not believe the valuation was justified and so we didn’t pursue that. We will continue to grow the business organically to continue to focus on quality, to do things one placement at a time, we’ve put in Six Sigma methodologies, we’ve put in a global research center in Shanghai. We’re going to continue to grow that business because we do view it as a multi $100 million opportunity for us. Clint Fendley – Davenport & Co.: So it’s safe to say you’ve not seen the valuations come down then?

Gary Burnison

Management

We haven’t seen anything in the last—it’s really been four or five months or so and it just did not make any kind of sense to our team given those businesses and given the economic outlook and so we were just unwilling to go there. Clint Fendley – Davenport & Co.: Could you talk a little bit maybe even about some of the [brick] economies, the competitive environment that you’re seeing there and how it might have changed here recently?

Gary Burnison

Management

I have had the pleasure of being in every region since our last call. I was in Brazil two and a half weeks ago, the mood is—I met with probably 50 CEOs, the mood is very enthusiastic. The country had an investment grade rating. I think you’re going to continue to see companies make investments in Brazil. We do not by the way; have a future step offering per se. That’s something that we will start in Brazil. We have great plans for our business in Brazil. China as well, we are aggressively looking for adjacent offerings in that market. We’re looking to bring in people. India was actually down in the quarter but it doesn’t reflect anything systemic. The country still had phenomenal growth there. And Russia is another area that we continue to make investment in and see very, very good growth. And then finally the Middle East, we’re opening our second office in [Riat] there very soon and that represents a big opportunity for us. So I think if you look globally, 80% of the world’s population is in emerging economies and as companies continue to tap those growth adjacencies, tap the consumer in those countries, they’re going to need people to manage that labor arbitrage and our growth, our movements are going to mirror our clients.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Andrew Fones – UBS Andrew Fones – UBS: Last quarter you said your guidance for Q4 assumed sort of a steady state for fee per search, is that still true? Is that still how you’re thinking about that?

Gary Burnison

Management

Fee per search, you mean the average fee? Andrew Fones – UBS: Yes.

Gary Burnison

Management

Yes, its something we only guide out quarterly, but we do not forecast how that type of growth in the average fee because it’s very hard to forecast that. That is based on number one, our strategy of moving the business upstream over time so it’s not something that you can really guess on a monthly or quarterly basis. Secondly it’s impacted by wage inflation around the world and the level of compensation. That’s very, very hard to predict. We take a much more conservative view in our quarterly outlooks that we give you with respect to average fees. Andrew Fones – UBS: As far as, do you see any changes in the trend of fee per search by region during the fourth quarter?

Gary Burnison

Management

No, we’ve seen a consistent and steady rise across the globe. Andrew Fones – UBS: Do you have the CapEx and cash flow for operations for Q4?

Stephen Giusto

Chief Financial Officer

We’re going to have to pull that out.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Michel Morin – Merrill Lynch

Michel Morin - Merrill Lynch

Analyst

You spoke about the trend of engagements in May, can you talk a bit about the engagements trends my month in the quarter and into May?

Stephen Giusto

Chief Financial Officer

You’re asking for granular information on month by month, as I said May was encouraging. We’re not going to disclose the dollar amount but we’re encouraged by it and then our expectation is that we get further into the summer we’ll begin to see some slackening not due to the market, but more just the fact that during the summer people begin to take some time off. So I don’t know if I’m answering your question exactly right, but that’s what we expect.

Michel Morin - Merrill Lynch

Analyst

I guess what I was trying to get at was you were sort of flat year-over-year on the number of engagements and did that turn negative on a, towards the end of the quarter or was it sort of steady throughout the quarter and turn up in May? I’m just trying to get a sense of the trend there.

Stephen Giusto

Chief Financial Officer

It was pretty good through the quarter, pretty flattish through the quarter and pretty flattish into May on a sequential basis.

Michel Morin - Merrill Lynch

Analyst

Can you elaborate on those year-end engagements in North America in financial services that you do not expect to repeat? What types of engagements are those?

Stephen Giusto

Chief Financial Officer

What happens is at the end of the year our people are out closing out engagements, and they tend to get what we call upticks which is an adjustment in our fees based on the final compensation the candidate gets from a client and those upticks go immediately into our revenue but they are not predictable and they’re not necessarily going to recur so some of the strength you saw in financial services relative to what you would have expected is because of upticks in the fourth quarter and so what we’re trying to be transparent about is that that’s what typically happens towards the end of the year and you shouldn’t necessarily use that as a proxy for what might happen in the future. The CapEx for the quarter was $4.2 million, $17 million for the year and our cash flows during the quarter were extraordinary. We had about $90 million of net increase in cash during the quarter which is typical in our fourth quarter once again as we try to close out the year.

Operator

Operator

Your final question is a follow-up from the line of Mark Marcon – Robert W. Baird & Co. Mark Marcon – Robert W. Baird & Co.: Do you have the same currency growth rates for Europe and Asia Pac and Latin America? Or what the contribution from that class was?

Stephen Giusto

Chief Financial Officer

The constant currency in Europe for the quarter was 9%, the constant currency for Asia Pac was almost 10%, and Latin America is smaller. Year-over-year currency—our constant currency growth was about 16% for the whole firm. Mark Marcon – Robert W. Baird & Co.: We’ve talked about this before but I just wanted to get the latest thinking and this discussion occurred before Stephen joined, during an economic downturn and I completely agree with Gary, we didn’t have the labor market bubble that we experienced during the last upsurge back in 1999 and 2000, but assuming that we have a retreat that is more consistent with prior downturns, what’s the lowest level of margins that you would expect to be able to maintain during a downturn? Is that something that’s answerable? You’ve talked about it before but I don’t know if it’s changed.

Gary Burnison

Management

Well I’ll tell you, we’ll go back to what Paul and I—as we said several years ago, our goal has been to outperform the industry in good times as well as in not-so-robust times. Our goal and what we’ve said before is that in an economic downturn that’s obviously not a depression but in any kind of other economic downpour we would maintain mid to high single-digit operating margins and that is our goal. If you look back at Korn/Ferry’s 38.5 year history, excluding the last recession, the business has been down about 8.5% in the other recessions and its bounced back almost 30% in the year after the recession. I think that would be more typical of something that we’re seeing today versus something that’s much more pronounced and severe. Mark Marcon – Robert W. Baird & Co.: And then whenever we get through the other side of this valley, you’re making investments now, clearly in a number of different areas, where would you hope that the margins could get to?

Gary Burnison

Management

We’ve had the margins at 15% plus and north and that’s where we would like—and in fact if we wanted to say let’s not make any investment and let’s just run this company for a quarter, on a quarterly basis, these margins today on the platform would be up by several hundred basis points, so I’m very, very confident in that.

Stephen Giusto

Chief Financial Officer

I think we’ve said that publically before is that our goal is to have 15% plus operating margins on a kind of normalized set of factors so we’re going to see that through not just the continued growth of our search business but the maturation of Futurestep, the maturation of LDS and in whatever other incremental adjacent services that we add over time as we continue to build the platform. Mark Marcon – Robert W. Baird & Co.: Can you talk a little bit about what you think the geographic profile is going to look like? Obviously growth around the world particularly in the emerging market--?

Gary Burnison

Management

I think that we are going to—today half the business comes from outside the United States and I wouldn’t be surprised over the next several years that that percentage is going to increase. In other words our business outside the US is going to increase and that’s what we’re planning for and that’s what we’re making investments. There are exciting things happening and we’re going to seize those opportunities that are out there. Mark Marcon – Robert W. Baird & Co.: This is just a tiny detail question but I think it impacts the margins, can you talk a little bit about the difference between what the reimbursable expenses are relative to what you’re reflecting as the actual expense? So when we take a look at—there’s a delta there for this year, it was about $11 million, that hurt your margins and I’m trying to understand what’s driving that.

Stephen Giusto

Chief Financial Officer

A portion of that is the cost of sales having to do with our Lominger products and so as we continue to see strength in the Lominger business, we’re not fundamentally a product business, we’re fundamentally a services business and so we have to find a place for cost of sales of inventory and that runs through that line. Then if you take that component out, there is a little bit of a disconnect between the cost that we incur and the amount that we’re able to charge back to clients. Some of that is contractual and some of that is discipline and so it’s not something that we’re unaware of and it’s something that we continue to look at. And yes, it does have a modest negative impact on our margins and so we continue to look at how we can get the most out of that line.

Operator

Operator

We have no further questions; you may continue.

Gary Burnison

Management

Well thank you and I first want to say thank you to our shareholders for believing in the company in terms of what we’re trying to build but more importantly to our colleagues for joining us on this journey for creating a firm that can link talent and strategy for our clients to drive sustainable value. And I’d also like to thank Paul for his continued support, stewardship and leadership of this firm. We’re very, very proud of what we’ve done. We have much more to do and much more to go and we’re very, very excited. So thank you for joining us and we’ll talk to you next quarter.