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Q1 2009 Earnings Call· Tue, Sep 9, 2008

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Operator

Operator

Welcome to the Korn/Ferry International conference call. (Operator Instructions) Before I turn the call over to your host, Gary D. Burnison, let me first read a cautionary statement to investors. Certain statements made in the presentation today will constitute forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Although the company believes that expectations reflected in such forward-looking statements are based on reasonable assumptions, investors are cautioned not to place undue reliance on such statements. Actual results in future periods may differ materially from those currently expected or desired because of a number of risks and uncertainties which are beyond the company's control. Additional information concerning such risks and uncertainties can be found in the company's annual report for fiscal 2008. With that, I'll turn the call over to Mr. Burnison.

Gary D. Burnison

Management

Despite the continued unsteadiness in the global financial markets as well as normal summer seasonality, we're pleased to report that our business grew 11% in the quarter, with EPS of $0.36 a share, which is essentially flat from last year. The better news for us, however, was that our newer businesses - Futurestep and Leadership Development - were up 22% and 38%, respectively. The quarter was driven by solid results in our executive recruiting business. Year-over-year, North America was up over 7%, Europe was up over 15% - 4% on a constant currency basis - and South America increased an impressive 33% on a constant currency basis. From a markets perspective, our Industrial business remains our biggest market. Today our Industrial Sector represents almost 30% of the company. For the quarter, the industrial business was up 2% sequentially and 40% year-over-year. Conversely, the Financial Services segment is still struggling and was down 5% sequentially and down 8% year-over-year. We have a very balanced portfolio, both from the solutions we offer as well as the global footprint in which we operate. Today, nearly 55% of our total revenue comes from outside of North America and over 20% of our revenues are being generated from offerings other than executive recruiting. In fact, for 19 consecutive quarters in a row here, Futurestep has grown the business sequentially. This quarter Futurestep grew 22% year-over-year, with a 9% operating margin. Our Leadership business continues to grow as well, reaching $18.1 million in the first quarter, about $72 million annualized, up 38% from the prior year. Lominger had its best profitability quarter in the company's history, with a 30% operating margin. As we continue to evolve our organization we remain committed to our vision of being the premier global provider of talent management solutions, to be…

Stephen Giusto

Management

We are off to a good start in fiscal 2009 and today we are pleased to announce another solid quarter of revenue and earnings for Korn/Ferry International. As Gary stated, fiscal 2009 first quarter fee revenue grew 11% versus the comparable quarter of fiscal 2008 to $205.7 million. On a sequential basis, revenue was down $2.5 million, or 1.2%, as the months of June and July began our typically slower summer period. Revenues for the quarter were better than we had forecast during our last call but were down sequentially for the first time in almost five years. We believe this is partially due to the broad economic environment but more significantly the result of typical summer seasonality. Over the company's almost 40-year history, the end of the first and beginning of the second fiscal quarters, which bracket summer months, have generally been the weakest. Last year we enjoyed unusually strong revenue results during the summer, so we're pleased that our revenue results this year exceeded last year's total. Diluted EPS in the first quarter of fiscal 2009 was $0.36 per share, flat with the year ago quarter and sequentially. First quarter operating margins improved sequentially to $23.8 million and were 11.5% in the quarter compared to 9.7% in the prior year fourth quarter. Our operating margins are improving but continue to be impacted by the transitional costs of pairing lower-performing professionals and the investment costs of adding professionals to our faster-growing businesses and geographies. Our operating margins in the year ago quarter were 13.5% due to the strong revenue results I just mentioned. Because of the impact it has on operating margins, let me now discuss headcount. The number of Executive Search consultants at the end of the quarter was 537, up 23 consultants or 4% from the fourth…

Operator

Operator

(Operator Instructions) Your first question comes from Kevin McVeigh - Credit Suisse First Boston.

Kevin McVeigh - Credit Suisse First Boston

Analyst

Steve, quick question on the guidance. You said that it assumes a seasonal rebound in September and October. How are you thinking about it from a cyclical perspective?

Stephen Giusto

Management

Well, I think that the toughest question right now, Kevin, is where are the macroeconomic trends going. And, you know, we read the papers each day and some days there's good days and some days there's bad. I think that we still believe that there are some cyclical headwinds but that we're continuing to perform well despite that. So, you know, September and October, as I mentioned, tend to be strong months for us. People come back from summer vacations and begin thinking about business again and, you know, we tend to get a bump up. But the seasonal trends have to offset the fact that the macroeconomic environment is still pretty choppy.

Kevin McVeigh - Credit Suisse First Boston

Analyst

And then just - I don't know if I'm overreaching on this - you bought back a little stock. Does that kind of give the sense that maybe things aren't as weak as you would have expected given the fact that you're releasing some of the cash on the balance sheet or it was that just there was an opportunity in the quarter?

Stephen Giusto

Management

Well, you know, we're a long-term supporter of our stock. We think the stock is going to be worth more over time and so, on a pure valuation basis, we're almost always optimistic about, you know, what we should do with our cash in terms of returning it to shareholders. We bought back a very nominal amount during the quarter and primarily it's because, you know, our view is we need to be very prudent with the balance sheet because the economy is uncertain. And so, as I said, we're happy to be modestly overcapitalized at this point. We're going to remain so. We want to be opportunistic about acquisition opportunities in this sort of environment. We want to be prepared for any sort of eventuality. And I don't think that you can take, you know, our buyback activity as any indication of whether, you know, we think the stock is right or wrong. It's just, you know, we always think the stock is a good buy.

Kevin McVeigh - Credit Suisse First Boston

Analyst

And then just two housekeeping items. LDS, what's the current annualized run rate on that?

Stephen Giusto

Management

It's a little over $70 million of revenue.

Kevin McVeigh - Credit Suisse First Boston

Analyst

And then when you say FX remains the same, Steve, what rate are you assuming? Is that the average for the quarter or where it is now?

Stephen Giusto

Management

Where it is now.

Kevin McVeigh - Credit Suisse First Boston

Analyst

Okay. So that's as of, I guess, yesterday?

Stephen Giusto

Management

Yes.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Tobey Sommer - Suntrust Robinson Humphrey.

Tobey Sommer - Suntrust Robinson Humphrey

Analyst

I wanted to ask a question about average fees per search and kind of see if you could parse out or give us a little bit more color on what the average fee growth is kind of on an intrinsic basis within some of the sectors that maybe are challenging, for example, financial services in the U.S. Are those fees and is compensation in segments that have been under pressure now for a couple of quarters, are those seeing average fee increases despite the falloff in demand?

Gary D. Burnison

Management

Well, if you look at our average fee over the last several quarters, you know, we're very proud of the fact that we have moved the brand upstream and we've taken the average fee from $55,000 to $90,000. We believe that longer term we have significant upside to continue to move the brand upstream. With respect to financial services, we haven't seen any kind of trends that you're alluding to recently, although Financial Services typically has a higher average fee than other parts of our business. But, you know, for us, we've got a very, very broad portfolio, with half our business outside the United States. And in many countries the compensation levels are not what they are in Western economies, although in those emerging markets they are increasing, they have been increasing, and I think that trend's going to continue.

Tobey Sommer - Suntrust Robinson Humphrey

Analyst

Just to follow up on that, is there a sense that intrinsic fee growth, is it higher in those nonWestern economies as compensation does catch up because of global competition for those individuals?

Gary D. Burnison

Management

I think if you look out over the next five years, absolutely. Some research that we're going to publish tomorrow would suggest that two-thirds of executives in the United States would be more than willing to look for employment opportunities in those emerging markets. And the reality is that, you know, 80% of the world's population is in those emerging markets. There's a huge labor arbitrage and they're looking for skilled managers to manage that arbitrage. So we would think and it's quite reasonable to conclude that the compensation levels for executives will increase in those emerging markets over the next five years.

Tobey Sommer - Suntrust Robinson Humphrey

Analyst

And what is your thought process on adding to headcount at this point? Have you opted to promote more internally because those individuals are known quantities and have demonstrated they can work within your system or do you have a bias more towards, you know, experienced individuals that you could lift out of boutiques?

Gary D. Burnison

Management

At Korn/Ferry we've historically, for 39 years, done both. That's really been our operating philosophy and will continue to be the operating philosophy of the firm. If you look over the last four years or so, we've brought in over 200 new partners, consultants into this firm. Half essentially have had search experience; half have not. This past promotion cycle, which impacted the consultant numbers that Steve just went over, I think we had almost 20 or so promotions. And if you look back historically, we've always had that kind of balance.

Stephen Giusto

Management

Let me just add one thing. You should expect us to continue to add headcount in our emerging businesses, at Futurestep and LDS, you know, as those businesses continue to scale.

Tobey Sommer - Suntrust Robinson Humphrey

Analyst

And is maybe a low single-digit year-over-year rate of growth in headcount for fiscal '09 a kind of reasonable assumption?

Gary D. Burnison

Management

We've never really disclosed that, Tobey. You know, the lifeblood of any services business is its people. And we are continuing to be opportunistic with respect to adding talent into our company and yet being mindful of the economic conditions that we've been facing, quite frankly, for three or four quarters now.

Tobey Sommer - Suntrust Robinson Humphrey

Analyst

One last question regarding guidance. I was wondering if you could describe what the seasonal rebound sequentially has typically been from August into the September/October timeframe just to give us a sense for what kind of historical change you may have seen in the business during this quarter.

Gary D. Burnison

Management

You know, if you were to look historically, I don't think you could necessarily, you know, make a broad, sweeping conclusion like that. I would tell you that to pick one part of our business - say North America - we typically expect August new business to be about 10% or so below what it had been the previous few months, and that's exactly what we've seen. Then in the September/October timeframe, you would expect the North American business to rebound about 10% from the August new business activity, and we'll just have to see, you know, how that plays out.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Michel Morin - Merrill Lynch.

Michel Morin - Merrill Lynch

Analyst

Gary, I was wondering if can elaborate a little bit more on the new initiatives that you alluded to your prepared remarks? You mentioned a new platform. You talked about elevating the brand and also the Korn/Ferry Institute. Specifically, you know, on elevating the brand, is this a new advertising campaign? What do you plan there? And on the platform, is it technology specific?

Gary D. Burnison

Management

Yes, thank you. You know, one of our strategic pillars is to continue to extend the brand and elevate it. In terms of elevating the brand, I think we've done a good job, measured by average fee, how it's increased over the last 17 quarters or so. But I think we have a long way to go and a lot of opportunity. And so there's a number of initiatives we've got around elevating the brand. In terms of extending the brand, you know, 22% of our business today comes from outside the executive search, yet the firm is primarily known as an executive search firm. From the branding last year around the art and science of talent to a number of initiatives such as the KF Institute, which is really more than a think tank. It's really designed to produce a stream of consciousness towards people issues around the globe. You add Board, CEOs, and line unit executives, and longer-term a place where we develop executives as well. We're going to unveil that in the next few weeks and again, this is something that we've had planned for several quarters. In terms of the information platform, when you look at many of our businesses, when you cut right to it, that's the business we're in. We're in the information business. And we've been working on now for almost a year and a half a state of the art Google-like information platform that ultimately will connect all of our businesses around the world, all of our geographies and markets. And in the next two quarters, we're going to be rolling that out. And the initiatives around client excellence and client service are ultimately geared at driving not only a more systematic approach to how we do our business in 40 countries around the world, delivering obviously more value to our clients, but also longer-term making sure that we are running a very, very efficient business.

Michel Morin - Merrill Lynch

Analyst

Will any of these initiatives have a meaningful impact on G&A expenses, you know, beyond the current quarter and your current guidance?

Gary D. Burnison

Management

No.

Michel Morin - Merrill Lynch

Analyst

And then I think you mentioned also in the prepared remarks that the LDS segment has produced some improved profitability. Could you quantify that a little bit for us?

Stephen Giusto

Management

Well, as we mentioned, Lominger had it's strongest quarter ever, with 30% operating margins. And then the core LDS business is marginally profitable and is improving. So the revenues are growing. We're aiming for improved operating margins in that business over the remainder of this year and into the following years. And, you know, we'd certainly like the business to get large enough so that we can break out its results and then, you know, become much more transparent about that. It's getting to that level, and we're preparing, both internally and then subsequently externally, to report those numbers. And by the time we do that, we would expect that the overall operating margins for the business would be kind of in the low single digits and then moving up towards double digits in the next couple of years.

Michel Morin - Merrill Lynch

Analyst

And then the non-Lominger part of the business, that was, you said, marginally profitable. Is that a new development? Was it losing money until recently?

Stephen Giusto

Management

It's been somewhat profitable in some quarters and then, you know, it kind of has waxed and waned. But we're getting to levels where we think that the profitability is sustainable.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Mark Marcon - Robert W. Baird & Co., Inc. Mark Marcon - Robert W. Baird & Co., Inc.: I was wondering if you could talk a little bit about what you're seeing in Asia-Pac, particularly I think you mentioned that China was a little bit down this past quarter. Do you think that's just a temporary blip or is it your general sense that the macro uncertainty is spreading over there as well?

Gary D. Burnison

Management

Well, you know, I don't believe that the world is decoupled. And so that today, if you look, the consumer spending in the United States is probably three or four times the size of the economy in China today. As you look out longer term and as companies continue to tap those growth adjacencies outside of the Western markets, the growth is very exciting and very promising for our business. If you look at our Asian business, it has essentially tripled or so over the last several years. Our team is excellent. If you look at this quarter, April/May, we're slower than we thought, Mark, and hard to pinpoint that as to why. Broadly speaking you would look to Financial Services and Consumer. They were weaker in Asia this quarter and that clearly explains some of the weakness over the prior year. But obviously in terms of the future, Asia represents a tremendous opportunity for us. We have 200 people in China today, almost 10% of our work force, and we're continuing to invest there. Mark Marcon - Robert W. Baird & Co., Inc.: What are they generally saying? Are they saying that things, you know, haven't decoupled and therefore things should slow down over there or do they expect things to pick up in the near term?

Stephen Giusto

Management

Mark, they're actually pretty optimistic about the remainder of the year. This is a seasonally weak period in AsiaPac as well. There could have been some marginal impact in China specifically around the Olympics. Hard to gauge that, but certainly there was a modest impact from people just getting excited about that particular event. But broadly I would say that we're - and as we said in our prepared remarks - optimistic about the prospects for growth in that entire region over the remainder of this year. And then, as Gary said, certainly we look at that region over the long term as particularly attractive. Mark Marcon - Robert W. Baird & Co., Inc.: And then you made nice progress in North America in terms of getting the margins back up sequentially, despite what is a choppy economic environment. How should we think about things assuming that the uncertainty stays with us for some time? Is this a good level of profitability in North America to think of or how should we think about it?

Stephen Giusto

Management

Well, it's all revenue dependent, right? I mean, if we continue to see the progress in revenue that we experienced in this quarter, then we should see similar levels of profitability. If the cyclical headwinds got stronger and revenues were challenged, it would be more challenging to keep this level of profitability. And to the extent that we can even improve upon the revenues that we saw in this quarter then, you know, we potentially have some operating leverage. And when you consider, as Gary said, that the growing percentage of our revenue is coming from outside of executive recruitments that, you know, we're expecting to see improved profitability over the next year to two years in LDS. We're continuing to expect some strong profitability in Futurestep if it can continue it's momentum. And then in the Executive Search business, it's just a matter of remaining disciplined about the size of our infrastructure in regards to the scale of our revenue. Mark Marcon - Robert W. Baird & Co., Inc.: Did LDS and Futurestep see pickups in their orders in August or did the same sort of seasonal variance occur over there?

Stephen Giusto

Management

August is tough, you know, in all areas. I don't know about you; I took some time off in August. I think a lot of our people did. And I actually think any cyclical downturn that people, you know, tend to take a little bit more time off at this juncture of the year just because, you know, it's so challenging to operate in this sort of environment, people need to take a break. And I think that's what happened with our clients and with our people. Mark Marcon - Robert W. Baird & Co., Inc.: In terms of the new initiatives, are those going to add some incremental costs or have you already been investing behind those and therefore already started spending for it and if we get some benefit, that'll all just be additional margin?

Gary D. Burnison

Management

Yes, Mark, that's been in our quarterly numbers now for some time. So there's not going to be any kind of spike in terms of G&A and the like because of it.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from David Feinberg - Goldman Sachs.

David Feinberg - Goldman Sachs

Analyst

The first question is on headcount. Last year the bulk of your headcount additions came in the fiscal first quarter. The year before that it was a little more even. I'm trying to get a sense, as we look into fiscal '09, how you're thinking about headcount. Did the bulk of your hiring already occur and should be flat from here on out or you'll continue to add?

Stephen Giusto

Management

Well, a considerable amount of the headcount growth in Q1 is from promotions, so it's a movement from one segment of our work force to another. You know, it changes the partner headcount; it doesn't change the overall headcount for the business. So it's marginally more expensive just because people got promoted. But then in terms of growth from the outside, as Gary said, we're pretty opportunistic at this point and, I mean, you know, the questions that we're getting about headcount and about investments in the business, etc., are all relevant and we're trying to manage the P&L the best we can, but also, as I mentioned, we've retained significant amounts of balance sheet strength because we see periods of economic uncertainty as opportunities for us as the largest firm in the space and, you know, the best capitalized firm in the space to be opportunistic. So I would think with regards to headcount that, you know, we're going to be careful about it but we want to take advantage of the opportunities that we see during this year to add talent to the business because that is the long-term driver of growth.

David Feinberg - Goldman Sachs

Analyst

Turning my attention to Futurestep, you talked about strength across all the geographies. Can you give a little more color by industry? Was there any one particular industry that was hiring? And also, given the global nature of that business from time to time, was it one or several clients that was hiring across all those industries or was it separate clients within those industries - or geographies, excuse me.

Stephen Giusto

Management

Well, it's a little tough for us to do it by industry in Futurestep because, you know, we're focusing on the RPO business. So we tend to get some larger contracts that could be in any industry. And so, you know, we certainly have some focus on particular industries, but I wouldn't say the strength came from any particular industry. It's just coming from our continued expansion of the RPO opportunity.

Gary D. Burnison

Management

Yes, again, for us it's a multi hundred million dollar opportunity. We're very proud - I'm very proud - of our Futurestep team. The Asia business of Futurestep has been a beacon of the entire firm. The growth in that business was 33% in the quarter. But if you look across the portfolio of Futurestep, it really cuts across industries. I mean, Korn/Ferry very much mirrors the global economy. I can think of a large auto manufacturer where we filled over 160 positions, or I think of an insurance company in the U.S. where we filled 80 positions. Or I think of a New Zealand company where we've filled multiple positions. So it really has cut across industries. And I think if you look from a geographic perspective, Asia had phenomenonal results in the first quarter.

David Feinberg - Goldman Sachs

Analyst

And then one last question on FX. I think you talked about a $9 million positive top line benefit in the first quarter. Can you talk about how that flowed through to operating earnings? Is your FX impact at corporate operating margins, below or above?

Stephen Giusto

Management

Well, you know, for most of our businesses we bill and collect in the same currencies so it is a ratable impact generally. And, you know, I would guess that we got a little bit more than a penny's worth of benefit during the quarter.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Andrew Fones - UBS.

Andrew Fones - UBS

Analyst

First of all I was trying to understand the fee metric. I think you did about 9% growth this quarter in Executive Search fees, and if I strip out Leadership, I think that was about 7%. You mention in the release that you saw 15% growth in fees per search, but also that the number of searches were up. And I know there's a timing difference, you know, in terms of when you actually record searches but could you help me understand how the 15% growth in fee per search growth in searches translates into the 7% growth in revenue?

Stephen Giusto

Management

I'm not certain I understand the question.

Andrew Fones - UBS

Analyst

Perhaps just simply speaking, could you explain how you calculated the 15% fee per search growth rate that you had in the release?

Stephen Giusto

Management

Andrew, I think we'll probably have to check that. I mean, I think that if you look, our average fee in the quarter was about $88,000. And, you know, if you were to go back four quarters ago, it was probably $87,000 or something. So the 15% that you're referring to, we're just going to have to check that offline.

Andrew Fones - UBS

Analyst

I guess I had another question on fee per search as well. It was calculated that your average kind of fee per search in 2008 was about $93,000 across the company. I was wondering how that varies within your different practices Leadership, both [inaudible] and Consumer and so forth? Could you give me some, you know, perhaps some color on the relative fee per search in those areas?

Stephen Giusto

Management

Yes. First of all we need to separate out the Leadership business. The Leadership business is moving towards being a full integrated consulting business where we're not doing, you know, small assignments but rather we're doing multi million dollar organizational design type of consulting engagements. And so as we build that business to create a multi hundred million dollar Leadership business, that's what you're going to see there. In terms of the Search business, the numbers again that you're referring to, you know, are not consistent with at least how I look at the business. Last year I think our average fee was around $90,000 or so and that compares to $81,000 the year before. And that's up considerably from $55,000, probably about 17 quarters or so ago, Andrew. If you look from a geographic basis, there is a fair amount of disparity, obviously, particularly in the nonWestern markets in which we operate and where we're investing, where the compensation levels are clearly less than the United States. Then from an industry perspective, the one that would stick out would be Financial Services, where the compensation levels are higher and our average fees would be higher as well.

Andrew Fones - UBS

Analyst

Could you give us kind of a ballpark estimate on Financial Services?

Stephen Giusto

Management

We don't disclose this stuff separately.

Gary D. Burnison

Management

We disclose average fees per search on an aggregate basis and we don't disclose it on an industry basis.

Andrew Fones - UBS

Analyst

And then the new hires, could you tell us which markets those are in, please?

Stephen Giusto

Management

The new hires, if you look at the increase in consultants in this last quarter, that was primarily driven by our annual promotion process. We have brought outside talent into the firm, like we've done over the last seven years very consistently, but in this particular quarter it was largely driven by promotions, Andrew.

Andrew Fones - UBS

Analyst

Did you say that you added 23 and 16 were through promotions?

Stephen Giusto

Management

Yes.

Andrew Fones - UBS

Analyst

So there were some hires also?

Stephen Giusto

Management

There were. And you would find that that would very much mirror, you know, Korn/Ferry. Half of it, off the top of my head, Andrew, would be in North America and half would be outside.

Andrew Fones - UBS

Analyst

And then just kind of one final one. Obviously, Michael Page has been in the press a lot lately as Adecco, you know, has shown interest in the company. Any thoughts there in terms of the impact on your business if Adecco were to buy Michael Page or, you know, any just thoughts generally in terms of the M&A market?

Gary D. Burnison

Management

Well, I'm not going to comment on a specific circumstance like that. I would say broadly speaking that my view is that volatility creates opportunity. And we're seeing, you know, quite a bit of opportunity. For us, you know, like we've operated the business now for almost seven years, we're very disciplined and pragmatic in how we unveil all of our growth initiatives and we're going to continue to be.

Operator

Operator

Thank you and it appears there are no further questions, Mr. Burnison.

Gary D. Burnison

Management

Okay. Well, thank you very much. My fellow partners and colleagues appreciate your support. We believe that we are building a world class business here. We are clearly well on our way towards building a multi billion dollar diversified services business with 22% of our business coming from outside of the flagship Executive Recruiting, and at the same time we're very proud of the progress we're making in the executive search market. And again, I would just reiterate that although the environment certainly has been choppy, that only alters our course and not our destination. Thank you again for the time this morning and we look forward to talking to you again. Thank you.