Amanda Whalen
Analyst · Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead
Sure. Great to hear from you, Keith. Thanks so much for the question. As we said, we don't guide to NRR specifically, but we do expect that it will continue to decline in the near term, and that expectation for a near-term decline hasn't changed. So if you break NRR into its components, there are three primary components of NRR. First is retention. second is expansion of existing products; and third is cross-sell. Retention on the retention side, our gross retention remains strong because we are a must-have for our customers. On the expansion side, if you split that into expansion of products, existing products and then cross-sell, expansion of existing products tends to be the largest driver of our overall expansion. It's a significant driver of NRR. And that is part of why we're talking about the impacts that we're seeing there. We continue to hear from customers that it's a value-based market, particularly among SMBs, they are very mindful of their spend. They are intentional about the messages that they're sending. And then also, as I mentioned earlier in the prepared remarks and as you mentioned as well, as we move upmarket, customers tend to land larger with multiple products that leaves less opportunity for expansion. It is a good thing overall. We like landing larger and earlier, but it does create some pressure on that expansion component of NRR. And because of those two factors, we expect that, that decline in the expansion is going to continue. It's consistent with what we've seen. But again, because our NRR is a trailing 12-month calculation, and we first started seeing this appear last year, that's part of why you're seeing that impact into next year. On the cross-sell side, we are very pleased with the progress we're seeing, not only with customers adopting SMS, but also CDP and reviews. And we continue to see customers who expand with us. A great example this quarter was Spot & Tango, who added SMS after they had already been using Klaviyo for e-mail. We also added another customer this quarter in the beauty and skincare space, who had previously switched to Klaviyo for e-mail. And this quarter, they added SMS in order to improve their multichannel messaging. And we continue to hear from customers that they see real value in that consolidation. Most importantly, they see value from it because it creates a better experience for their consumers because consolidation helps them more effectively engage consumers across channels. They also see value because it simplifies the way that our customers run their businesses. It makes it easier for them to have a comprehensive view of performance and reporting, all under one roof with Klaviyo. So we believe that, that trend is going to continue to be an important driver of cross-sell going forward.