Good day, and welcome to LendingClub’s Fourth Quarter Conference Call and Webcast. All participants will be in listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions] After today’s presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. [Operator Instructions] Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Artem excuse me, Nalivayko, Investor Relations Manager. Please go ahead.

Thank you, and good afternoon. Welcome to LendingClub’s fourth quarter of 2017 earnings conference call. Joining me today to talk about our results and recent events are Scott Sanborn, CEO, Tom Casey, CFO. Before we get started, I’d like to remind everyone that this conference call is being broadcast on the Internet. We have provided a slide presentation to accompany our commentary and both the presentation and the call are available through the Investor Relations section of our website at ir.lendingclub.com. Also, our remarks today will include forward-looking statements that are based on our current expectations, forecasts and assumptions and involve risks and uncertainties. These statements include, but are not limited to, our guidance for the first quarter and full-year 2018. Our actual results may differ materially from those contemplated by these forward-looking statements. Factors that could cause these results to differ materially are described in today’s press release, the related slide presentation on our Investor Relations website and our most recent Form 10-K and Form 10-Q filed with the SEC. Any forward-looking statements that we make on this call are based on assumptions as of today and we undertake no obligation to update these statements as a result of new information or future events. Also, during this call, we will present and discuss both GAAP and non-GAAP financial measures. Further, all operating expenses that we discuss exclude stock-based compensation, depreciation and amortization and expenses related to certain litigation and regulatory matters. A reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP measures is included in today’s earnings press release and investor presentation. And now, I’d like to turn the call over to Scott.

Thank you, Artem and good afternoon everyone. It was great to see so many of you at our Investor Day back in December. There, we shared our vision for the company, discussed our marketplace model in detail, introduced you to our new management team and communicated how we’ll strategically grow the business in today’s dynamic environment. I hope that it was useful to see how we’re evolving our business as we work to return to profitability. Our mission is to empower those who strive to achieve financial success. As we explained at Investor Day, we’re laser focused on delivering responsible, sustainable growth while investing in the future of this company, so we can help more people meet their financial goals and increase the transformative impact we’re having on the American financial system. We’ll do this by growing our personal loans business, laying down the foundation for growth with auto and other consumer products, driving operating cost discipline and resolving our remaining legacy issues. To take a step back, 2017 was a year of transformation after we recovered from the events of May 2016. We returned to growth with the last two quarters each delivering the highest revenue in the company’s history. We also returned to positive EBITDA delivering over $44 million in 2017. While this is a significant improvement versus 2016 we can do better on the bottom line and it will be a major focus for us over the course of 2018. Throughout last year, we invested enormous effort in rebuilding this business for the long haul. We launched powerful new capabilities on the investor side and built innovative structures that further diversify our investor base and bring new revenue streams into our business. In September, we implemented a new credit model to better represent today's environment, reflecting normalizing…

Thanks Scott. We’re entering 2018 with healthy core operations and are on track for our 2018 growth plan. In the fourth quarter, we delivered our third straight quarter of revenue growth and achieved record revenue for the second quarter in a row. We delivered revenue of $156.5 million, up 20% from a year ago. We continued our focus on execution, delivering a contribution margin at the high end of our 45% to 50% range and adjusted EBITDA of $90 million. Now turning to 4Q operating results, total originations grew 23% year-over-year and were flat sequentially, which we feel is a solid outcome given the contraction of credit we implemented with our new credit model. Transactions fee revenue of $121 million was flat sequentially and up 19% year-over-year. Transaction fees as a percent of originations were 4.95% in the fourth quarter, a four-basis point decline from the third quarter. And this is consistent with what we discussed that at our Investor Day as we shift our mix to higher quality borrowers that have low origination fees. Investor fees grew $3.8 million or 19% sequentially driven by both growth in our servicing book to a $11.9 billion as well as an increase in the weighted average servicing rate. Before I go through the rest of the income statement, I want to call your attention to the fact that we changed the presentation to better reflect the evolution of our business model and the use of our balance sheet. If you please turn to page 16 of our earnings presentation, you’ll see that we have taken other revenue and split it into three pieces, which include gain on sales loans, fair value adjustments and other revenue. This allows you to see how the interest income we earned from loans on the balance sheet…

Thanks Tom. As I mentioned at the beginning of the call 2017 was a year of transformation for LendingClub. We are making the right decisions to manage this business for the long term. We're pleased with the accomplishments and feel well-positioned as we enter 2018. So, with that and given the amount of information we put out today, I'm sure there's a lot of questions so we'll turn it over to Q&A.

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from James Faucette with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Yeah, thank you very much. I just had a couple of -- I’ll kick off with a couple of questions. The first is when you look at your acquisition or customer acquisition activities etcetera, can you give us a sense, I know you mentioned that you're happy with that, but can you help give some additional color and quantification of how things are going around close rates conversion rates etcetera on that side. And my second question is, as you talked a little bit about how the rising interest rates, how you felt like that could increase the number of consumers looking to refinance loans, but one of the concerns for investors has been what would happen to the demand for loans if interest rates rose and would the current investors that are buying LendingClub loans be able to satisfy their yield requirements elsewhere? So, just wondering if you’re seeing any change and indication of interest in loans in buying LendingClub loans etcetera? Thank you.

Hey James. So, the first one was about closing and conversion rates. I kind of broke out the three different areas we’re working on in marketing, talking first top of the funnel; we are continuing to open up new marketing channels, test new marketing channels. And that together with what’s happening in the overall broader competitive market, which is new people jumping into the space and spending dollars is increasing the awareness of this category and the utility of this product. We talked about this a little bit at Investor Day that we feel like the market is still under penetrated. If you just look at the sheer amount of consumers carrying high interest revolving debt, it’s a good thing to have people made aware of a personal loan as a smarter solution. So, that’s driving a lot of activity top of the funnel including those impressive increase in application metrics I indicated. Corresponding to that is the throughput number, close rate numbers have come down because obviously with application numbers up by 40%, the difference is both the credit contractions that we have made on our side, as well as just overall more cross-shopping by consumers. That’s why we highlighted a lot of the throughput efforts that we really have been investing in throughout last year. I talked about the testing infrastructure we put in place that's allowing us to continue to optimize our experience, our pricing, and then also product features like Direct Payoff, which are unique to us and allow us to offer a different and more compelling product to customers. So that's closing conversion. In terms of rising in rates demand for loans, again taking a step back at another some more information we shared in Investor Day. Overall this asset class is a very attractive, high rate, short duration and so, we feel we're well positioned for a rising rate environment. In terms of who will be participating on the platform, we do expect that will continue to evolve, and that's why we're really making a point to emphasize the activities we’ve engaged in last year are bringing us a different breed of investor, these are lower cost of capital, longer term investors that we think position us well for this environment. So, we are seeing an evolution and we think it's to the benefit of the platform and to the borrowers. I don’t know, Tom, if you have anything to add?

James, in a rising rate environment, investors don't want to get too far out on the yield curve, take too much duration risk, and this product allows them to stay short, but still get an attractive return.

And it's worth noting if you just look at what's happening in the capital markets as an indicator, as this product, the track record increases and execution increases, we're actually seeing despite the rising rates that the performance of the deals in the market has been improving.

Next question, please.

Our next question comes from Brad Berning with Craig-Hallum. Please go ahead.

Good afternoon. Just a couple of follow-ups, I’ll just start with on the settlement. Can you be a little bit more specific about which cases have been settled, and while not reasonable and probably to estimate the other ones, is it feasible for the other legal issues out there to be anywhere near the magnitude of the exposure that we’ve seen here? And then lastly, just on the new credit models you touched on it, but can you give us a little bit more color how far in and what kind of magnitudes of improvement that you're seeing on the new model versus the old versus what you expected, if you could dive a little deeper on the new credit model please?

Okay. Hey, Brad. So, in terms of lawsuits, this is the federal and the state class action lawsuits, they were arising out of the 2016 disclosures. In terms of the scale of these, we do believe that these represented our largest financial exposure. The remaining issues, as I indicated, are derivative lawsuit from this which is not against the company and then some ongoing government investigations with the SEC, DOJ and FTC, so obviously, difficult to predict the outcome of those with any certainty, but we are cooperating there and moving quickly to resolve those. In terms of the new model, I want to -- I’d say it’s really -- the model went in, in September. So, we really only have two months of data on a month’s worth of loans and a month of data on the subsequent months. I think what we can say is, if you just look at the only metrics available to us which is what’s the profile of the borrower just in terms of some of their scores at the bureau and overall debt and delinquency levels, we can see an improvement. And if we look at just the first and second payment defaults, we also see an improvement versus Q3. So, all we want to signal there is positive early signs, but by no means are we kind of reporting out that, we have any kind of conclusions we can draw.

Understood. And the $361 million of investments that's held for an investment versus a category in the balance sheet where you talk about held for sale, is there going to be an intent to actually hold those to maturity on the $361 million or is that -- you can help us to understand kind of the distinguishments you're making on the balance sheet there?

Yeah, those are the securitization that we did in December on the prime side that we did not sell the residual. So that shows up as assets offsetting with liabilities, Brad. So that's what you're seeing there. We were holding the residual right now. We may find an opportunity to sell that in the future. We don't have any intent in the short-term, but it's something that we’ll continue to evaluate as we look at our capital allocation, but no plans to sell it right in the short-term.

Thank you.

Our next question comes from Jed Kelly with Oppenheimer. Please go ahead.

Great. Thanks for taking my question. So, digging back into sales and marketing. When you were at similar levels of originations, I think back in fourth quarter 2015, sales and marketing expenses were 2% of origination. It's now increased close to 2.4%. Is there anything that you can speak to that's changed over the past couple of years in terms of quantifying traffic or competition?

Yeah, the big change, the biggest driver there is going to be our own actions to contract on credit to drive returns for investors, that's the single largest piece. But as I indicated earlier, certainly the effective competition will play into that as well. What we're doing to offset that is looking at, for example, the structure program we just talked about to increase the overall revenue yield of the business, as well as looking for ways to drive some of those costs downs. Tom mentioned some of the initiatives we have in O&S as well as those throughput initiatives I mentioned, which will increase conversion rate and help bring those costs down.

And then can you speak to anything you're developing internally to make it easier for smaller banks to onboard easily, more easily on your platform?

I think if what you're referring to is our bank partnerships. I mean, in general, we've got our longest lift of bank clients that we've ever had in the company's history, and a lot of the work we did post our 2016 events to strengthen our controls and compliance infrastructure has enabled us to deliver a pretty complete package for potential partners to make sure that we are meeting the same standards of security and compliance that they have, and that’s the biggest thing.

Okay. And then last one for me. Your headcount was up 20% in the fourth quarter. How should we be thinking about headcount going into next year?

Hey, Jay. We don't comment specifically on headcount, but it does align with some of the investments we talked about in tech. We also saw some increase in our servicing and M&S areas in anticipation of volumes, that’s going to move from period-to-period. But I think overall that’s what you heard us say we’re going to continue to look at that and see where we can drive more efficiencies. I mentioned a couple of them today, hopefully we’ll be able to give you a couple of more as we move through the year, but it’s an area of focus for us, but no specific forecast on headcount.

Thank you.

Our next question comes from Kerry Rice with Needham & Company. Please go ahead.

Thanks a lot. A couple of questions on the structuring programs, you mentioned the mix a little bit coupled certainly securitizations, a couple of club starts. Is there any more color you can give there just on total value of each of those? And then anything around thinking about cadence for 2018, should we now think about a couple of each of those quarter? And then the second question is it looks like the banks as a percentage of originations and investor type was down a little bit, is that that seasonality or is there anything else to draw from that? Thank you.

Let me take – start with the structured program. As we said in our comments, we’re very excited about the program and at the same time it really started from absolutely nothing. If you think about where we were just a few quarters ago, we did our first securitization in late in the first half of the year. Now we’ve gotten to a point where we’ve got we did two securitizations in the fourth quarter and we did two club starts in the fourth quarter. The financials obviously are coming through that’s why we’re giving that one page to kind of give you a sense on where they are for the quarter, about $3 million, $2.7 million of net revenue. We think these can continue to become a more meaningful part as we get ourselves into a more normal cadence. We get these products rated; we continue to drive more and more investor adoption, we’re quite encouraged by both of those programs and I think in 2018 they will become more mature as we calibrate the program. As far as cadence go, that's one of the reasons why I brought it up, the ability to do securitizations for example are sometimes limited, for example, we’ve been out of the market for the first -- for the first part of this year since we don't have our 10-K out. So, the windows for deals are challenging in certain quarters, but we expect to continue to have these both near prime, end prime securitizations and continue to expand the investor base in our clubs there. So, we're encouraged with those two programs and we'll continue to keep you addressed on the profitability, but we're quite encouraged on just a whole new outlet of investors. Scott, do you want to comment on that?

Yeah. So, the mix we had indicated, this was our expectation going into Q4 that had to do with the conclusion of an arrangement we had with the U.S. arm of a Canadian bank to purchase assets on the platform. We had indicated that that was a year-long deal that came to a conclusion. The conditions under which we had signed it at that time were different for LendingClub, so we had said then and would repeat. We certainly believe that having kind of long-term funding arrangements in place with key partners can be accretive to the overall mix and will evaluate those as the situation basis, meaning in a way that make sense for what our needs are today. But the shift in Q4 was specifically that deal rolling off.

All right. Thank you.

And platform adjusting.

Our next question comes from Stephen Kang with KBW. Please go ahead.

Hi guys, thanks for taking my question. I guess the first one was just around the loan servicing platform that you’re acquiring. Can you tell us what does it give you that you previously didn't have? And how does it help you guys going forward?

So, our loan servicing system is something that we have developed in-house and essentially what we're doing is moving to more of an industry standard provider for that platform. The benefit for us of that is there are multiple benefits. One is, the product itself is not what enables us to differentiate and compete in the market. So, having our internal engineering resources working against the development and maintenance of a loan servicing platform, is not high value add. So essentially allow us to take our internal staff and put them on to things that are really more of a competitive advantage for us. And two, it provides us with more operational flexibility going forward, the ability to integrate more easily with other third parties because we'll be using a standard system. So those are the big benefits.

Got it. And then just around the timing of – at the higher risk accounts, what innings are we there and do you expect to have any impact on your originations as a result of raising some of these – interest rate there?

Certainly, raising rates can – depending different consumers are more or less sensitive to two rates. And so, but as a general statement, raising rates can generally lead to a decline in take rates, but all of that is really -- our view of the overall market is factored into the guidance we gave for the year. So, this stuff will vary quarter-to-quarter. We're always going to be adjusting rates reflecting supply and demand on both sides of the platform, and will also always be optimizing the credit model, so that's all incorporated into our view of the year ahead.

Got it. And my last question is just around the transaction fees as a percentage of loan originations, that's been coming down about call it you know couple of 5 basis points per quarter like how do we think about that as we go through 2018 like at what point should we reach a steady state on that rate there?

So, the overall decline, I'll say is consistent with our shift towards a higher quality borrower. And as I mentioned that you know if you look at within the context of the overall program that's why we're pleased with some of the initiatives on the investor side to drive overall transaction revenue or revenue yield up. Yeah. Tom, I don't know.

Yeah. So just to give you some context, the transaction fees have come down a little bit this quarter. They've moved around about 5 bps really throughout the year. The most recent one is due to the higher quality credit that we're pushing up as opposed to because of the new credit model. I would also add that what Scott said is that the actually the revenue yield is up pretty significantly year-over-year and that's reflecting our more holistic view of looking at both the borrower and the -- and the investor side. So, to the extent that we can provide lower prices to borrowers and then extract more value through the structures we provide that's a real win-win for us. And so, we look at it as total revenue yield not just win for us. And as we look at it as a total revenue yield not just the transaction fee itself.

Got it. Understood. Thank you for taking my questions.

Our next question comes from Mark May with Citi. Please go ahead.

Thank you. Just a couple. I think the company has been generating originating loans for about 10 years now, I assume you have a decent number every year of loans that are maturing, question is can you give us a sense of what portion of those are not refinancing but originating new loans, I would imagine that that if it can become a pretty decent portion of your total new loan originations could be a nice tailwind to marketing efficiency? And then, in terms of the guidance for the year what sort of revenue contribution are you assuming for structured deals? And then lastly, sorry for the third one, but the – I think that you are guiding to GAAP net income which would be inclusive of legacy costs, if so can you give us a sense of the amount of legacy costs that you’re – that are baked into your GAAP net income guidance? Thanks.

Okay. So, I’ll start on the customer. So indeed, as this business matures the size of our customer base has become a competitive advantage for us and we are seeing customers given the utility of the products and the ease with which we made it possible to get a loan we are seeing -- and the satisfaction from our borrowers based on their first interaction with us -- we are seeing borrowers come back to us for subsequent use. We will plan, we have not yet released publicly all the details on that, it is an important part of our overall marketing strategy, so we will plan to share more in the coming couple of quarters to give everybody a perspective on that. But your high-level assessment is correct. Tom you have?

So yes. So, on the on the structure program a couple of things we haven't given specific earnings number a revenue number but let me give you some context. When we’ve started this program we – we believe that this can be a somewhere in the 15% to 20% of our volume. So, the way to think about it is the percentage of our volume that we originate we think can go through our balance sheet and be structured to reach a whole new class of investors. So that's the way we're thinking about it. It's difficult to pinpoint a specific dollar amount right now because we're still trying to figure out exactly what we think the, the cadence and the, the mix will be between these various products but we're encouraged by it and that's why we're breaking out separately so that's the way I would think about it just from a volume of, of what's going to go through the manufacturing shop if you will to create a structured product. Your second, your next question on GAAP, let me be really crystal clear the GAAP net income guide does not, does not include any legacy cost assumptions in it. This is a little unique because you know GAAP is GAAP, net income is net income but that guide is really not really as, as meaningful as it would be in the past because when we booked these items they’re going to hit the net income. What we're saying is that they're not in that guide. So, it really, really important, thanks for bringing it up, just want to emphasize that. So, hold us to our revenue guide, hold us to our adjusted EBITDA but the net income we know is going to have some additional items in it in 2018 which can't predict them right now.

Okay. Thank you.

Our next question comes from Henry Coffey with Wedbush Securities. Please go ahead.

Yes, good afternoon and thank you for taking my question. In terms of really understanding the business, the biggest issue seems to be throughput, how much of your applications can you convert into loans? How are the structured finance programs and the CLUB Certification -- the CLUB Certification – securitization factoring into that? Are they – is the quality mix in those the same or is that where it’s more of the near prime product is working its way?

So, you’re definitely right, it does help with throughput but in a couple of different ways. I’d like to have you think about it a couple of different ways. First, we talked about this is kind of being a finished good where we can put structures and get them rated and market them to a group of investors that wouldn’t typically just come on the platform, so we do get additional value that way. But at the same time, it does allow us to consider pricing flexibility back to the borrower that may make us more competitive to improve our take rates in the platform. So, they definitely are connected. It’s not typically a one for one. The program itself is a – the structured program is for really all products, so it’s near prime and prime. So, for example on a CLUB Cert, an investor can come in and pick and choose if they want, what rate they want, what churn they want and then we’ll package up a CLUB Cert to meet their needs. So, it really does create enormous flexibility for investors as well as support the platform.

On the institutional investors side, are you are you running into accounts that are having mark-to-market issues because charge offs are higher, rates are going to go higher, is that altering the demand equation or are they still fairly robust?

Well, clearly as Scott mentioned, clearly rates have gone up and anybody who's in the fixed income market with rates increasing is going to be subject to some mark-to-markets. The short end of the curve has moved quite a bit in the last few months and so anybody who's - who has a portfolio subject to those types of rates is going to feel that a little bit. What we've indicated is that this is a pretty short duration asset, so while that mark may happen in the short-term, the amount of cash flow you generate allow you to reinvest pretty quickly and so your real value at risk if you will is a lot less than if you were out on the five-year part of the curve. So, this is a very, very important asset we think in a rising rate environment because it allows investors to reinvest pretty quickly given these things are probably a one-and-a-half-year type duration. And even in our 60 month, it’s little over two-year duration. So, you don't take a lot of interest rate risk in this product.

Great. Thank you.

It’s also worth pointing out these interest rate increases affect different investors in different ways. For banks as an example, their costs of capital have not yet gone up in the same way that those using leverage have seen an increase. So, what we are seeing on the platform is more an evolution amongst investors and an ebb and flow amongst investors.

Great. Thank you very much.

Our next question comes from Rob Wildhack with Autonomous Research. Please go ahead.

Hi guys. I know you mentioned margin improvement as we move through the year. It sounds like more of a gradual improvement rather than a step function in any given quarter Is that the right way to think about it?

Yeah, I think that’s right. I think our business we have a lot of scale. I think in order to drive chunks of margin improvement is always a little challenging. But you know to the extent that we can get the structure program up and running at a higher level, in the short term that would obviously help, but it is going to be you know if you will a stair step to higher margins.

Got it. And then Scott, you mentioned some non-lending products when discussing lifecycle management and the growth and strategy there. Can you give us any sense for what you’re thinking about there?

No, I’m not going to give too many details right now, just dropping some breadcrumbs for you to follow for later.

Sounds good, thanks.

Our next question comes from Michael Tarkan with Compass Point. Please go ahead.

Thanks for taking my questions. Just back to credit, can you talk about – I know you’ve tightened on the lower end of the spectrum. But are you seeing anything on the higher end of the spectrum, we’ve seen some issues with some of your competitors whether their traditional or marketplace lenders, just any color there? And then the second question is on the funding side. I think Scott, you mentioned evaluating some things with some investors for the longer-term products and I’m just wondering if that’s going to take the form of what we’ve seen previously whether it’s accruals or incentives or any – how should we think about that? Thank you.

So, on the credit side, what I’d say is the upper end of the market has remained largely stable for us and where we’ve been seeing more of the stress again has been especially in the higher risk part of prime. So, our portfolio in custom which is 600 to 660 has actually remained pretty stable, as well as our A through C grades. It’s really been D through G grades, where we've seen the issue. And again, that issue has been a couple of things, one has been just the accumulation of data, as I talked about what the supply to the market that's driven both an increase in defaults, but also prepayments which also impact investor returns. And a lot of the changes that we've made at – have been and including the ones I talked about today really specifically targeting that behavior and in this today's environment.

Just on the funding side, you know look our goal is always to have the platform imbalance. So, to the extent that we seek specific types investors to that are attracted to certain types of assets, it's something that we continuously -- continues to do. We talked a lot about our new tools to do some of that with the structured program, but from time-to-time, we'll look at all things on the table. We felt it was time to talk about that since the previous deal rolled off will – we will consider other things like that as well.

Thank you.

Our next question comes from here Heath Terry with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Great. Thanks. To the extent that you can kind of give us a little bit more detail on what you're seeing a little bit further down the channel – funnel, you talked about 40% growth in application. Obviously, some of that the difference is coming in tighter standards. Do you have a sense of how many of those people that you ultimately either approved or offered a rate to went on to find somewhere else, and I know it’s probably difficult, but just to an extent you have any sort of anecdotal or if sense of sort of where that -- where that’s happening just to extent that maybe some of the lot of the rather competitors in the space are keeping their standards a little bit more open. And then you opened the call started talking about the focus on profitability. Is there a particular either absolute or margin level of profit that you’re targeting above which you feel like you can go back and start investing in incremental growth, or is there another way you'd have to think about that?

Yeah. We will take the second one first here. Just on the margin side, we had kind of laid out a goal for ourselves last year, and now we're laying out a new one this year at 15% EBITDA margin, it's a real balancing act. We don't want to underinvest in our business. We see terrific opportunities for us to accelerate our growth, take advantage of our scale and lead this industry. So, we want to be balanced about just how much we squeeze out of our infrastructure. But to say that, I think there is opportunity now as we've gone through the 2016 and 2017 events, as Scott mentioned, we've taken a long view. I think 2018 is a chance for us to take a look back at our infrastructure and tighten up where it doesn't hurt our growth but drive some efficiency. So, we've put out 15%. Obviously, we won't stop there if we can. But that's where our goal is for the year, and that's kind of how our guidance kind of connects to as well.

Just coming back on close rates, Heath, there is a lot happening there. So, yes, we can get a view into borrowers that are coming to us, and what did they do subsequently. Some of what's happening is just an increase in shopping as I mentioned, right, which is people just now they are aware that the product is out there and they’re exploring it, now they're aware that the product is out there and they're exploring it, checking their rate, essentially seeing if they want to go through with it. I think that's a good thing. They might not close alone today, but the fact that they know when they're out exploring is a good thing. And in other cases, so they could be looking, doing nothing they could be looking going with us or looking and going with someone else. I think the point you're getting at is valid which is there's a lot of new people in the market and we based our own pricing off of a combination of the risk of the borrower based on expected defaults and prepayments, together with the demand we're seeing from investors as well as the demand we're seeing from borrowers. I think there is certainly the possibility that some of the newer entrants into the market, who are not operating off of some of that historical data are kind of coming in and using basic bureau-based data to do pricing and there could be a difference there between what we're offering and what they're offering. And I'll just say, I feel good about our pricing there.

Great. Thank you, Scott.

Okay. I think, we're up on time. Yeah. Thank you everybody for making the time available, and we'll speak to you all soon.

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