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Limbach Holdings, Inc. (LMB)

Q2 2022 Earnings Call· Wed, Aug 10, 2022

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Operator

Operator

Greetings. And welcome to Limbach Holdings’ Second Quarter 2022 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A brief question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Jeremy Hellman of the Equity Group. Thank you, sir. You may begin.

Jeremy Hellman

Analyst

Thank you very much and good morning, everyone. Yesterday, Limbach Holdings announced its second quarter 2022 results and filed its Form 10-Q for the quarter ended June 30, 2022. During this call, the company will be reviewing those results and providing an update on current market conditions. Today’s discussion may contain forward-looking statements and actual results may differ from any forecasts, projections, or similar statements made during the earnings call. Listeners are reminded to review the company’s annual report on Form 10-K and quarterly reports on Form 10-Q for risk factors that may cause the actual results to differ from forward-looking statements made during the earnings call. With that, I will turn the call over to Charlie Bacon, the President and Chief Executive Officer of Limbach Holdings. Please go ahead Charlie.

Charlie Bacon

Analyst

Good morning to everyone and thanks for joining us. With me today is our Chief Financial Officer, Jayme Brooks; our Chief Operating Officer, Michael McCann; and our Executive Vice President of Acquisitions & Capital Markets, Matt Katz. I want to start by thanking our many employees for all of their outstanding work and commitment to the transformational change and evolution we undertook several years ago. We set a goal of achieving a 50-50 revenue split between our two operating segments by 2025, and I'm pleased to report that we expect to reach that goal ahead of schedule. Let me circle back to that shortly. First, though, we had a solid quarter of progress on our ODR transformation and maximizing our GCR outcomes, and I want to share some highlights with you. Year-to-date, the ODR segment contributed 40.1% of Limbach's total revenue as compared to 26.5% for the same period last year. We currently expect to exit 2022 with the ODR segment revenue percentage moving even higher. It's become a leader that the majority of our building owners view their building systems as critical to their business outcomes, which is fueling our growth. We've resolved the second claim in 2022, this one resulting in a $1.3 million gross profit write-up for the quarter. The resolution of this claim will generate approximately $6 million of cash prior to year-end. This brings the total for both claims resolved this year to over $8 million of additional cash this year. Cash flows from operations for the quarter was $15.6 million, with the business generating free cash flow of $5.1 million, excluding changes in working capital. Term debt declined by $7.3 million in the quarter and we are scheduled to reduce our term debt to $22 million by the end of the year. We remain…

Jayme Brooks

Analyst

Thanks, Charlie. Our earnings press release and our Form 10-Q contain a detailed review of our financials. So I'll focus my discussion on some key areas. Total revenue for the quarter was $116.1 million, down $4.9 million over the prior year quarter. GCR revenue for the second quarter was $66.3 million, down from $87.6 million in the year ago period. The main driver of the change is our continued intentional rationalization of the GCR business to reduce risk and maximize profits. ODR revenue continues to accelerate and was up 48.7% to $49.8 million compared to the prior year. Growth in this segment was driven primarily by the increase in large owner-direct project work. Large project works, which we define as projects in excess of $50,000 grew the fastest in the quarter, up 85% from a year ago and 20% from the first quarter. We also experienced solid growth in maintenance revenues as well as T&M work. T&M work grew 17% sequentially and 35% on a year-over-year basis. For the second quarter, GCR gross margin was 13.1% and ODR gross margin was 25.4% for consolidated gross margin of 18.4%. This compared to 15.4% in Q2 of last year and 16% in Q1 of 2022. The GCR margin in the second quarter increased to 13.1% and from 10.1% in the second quarter of last year. This reflects our continued focus on project selection in addition to winding down of our operations in Southern California branch and our Eastern Pennsylvania GCR segment. The gross margin increased in the second quarter of 2022 also included a gross profit write-up of $1.3 million related to the settlement of a prior claim. The ODR gross margin for the quarter of 25.4% sequentially ticked back up to our expected range of 25% to 28% due to the…

Michael McCann

Analyst

Thanks, Jayme. Fundamentally, our customer base is particularly focused on proactive maintenance repair, given the critical nature of their facilities and zero tolerance for system downtime. With our rapid ODR growth, it's become clear to us that building systems are critical infrastructure to the vast majority of our building owner customers. We're very focused on maximizing the lifetime value of our best building owner clients. Those tend to be customers operate in critical facilities across multiple building sites, where we can deliver both ODR and GCR solutions. We seek out building owners that appreciate the value we bring and are committed to forging long-term relationships. As we look to deploy resources in the future, we believe we can expand our wallet share with those accounts. Moving on to supply chains, this continues to be an issue, although a modest economic slowdown may help bring a resolution to those issues. Demand is driving the supply chain problems, as much as availability of equipment is. However, we can also benefit as building owners tend to defer capital investment and replacement equipment and point spending to the maintenance of existing equipment, which has much less demand elasticity. Turning to the conditions in the field, we have seen commodity prices start to fall from their highs earlier in the year, and that does appear to be supporting a calming of the market generally. Labor dynamic has remained tight so far. We continue to add technicians and own our direct field personnel to support the strategy, while on GCR work we are focused on limiting risk. As Charlie and Jamie both noted, ODR activity remains robust and has even accelerated in certain cases. Second quarter ODR sales of $57.3 million were up 50.3% from last year's second quarter. Sales of ODR projects in T&M were again particularly strong. As of June 30, ODR segment backlog was $119.3 million, up from $60.6 million a year ago, a 96.9% increase year-over-year, and an 11.6% increase sequentially. So given the year-to-date performance and the sales activity, we expect to deliver solid year-on-year growth in ODR revenue in 2022. We ended the quarter with GCR backlog of $308.8 million. That provides us with solid segment revenue coverage through the end of the year and into 2023. It's around this time of the year, when we really start to focus on building revenue for 2023. We have a good pipeline to be selective around – and it's interesting to see the AIA building index remaining above 50, which means the architects are still in expansion both. That building index generally leads to opportunities for us six months to nine months later. So far, we feel good about the outlook. Now I'll pass it over to Matt.

Matt Katz

Analyst

Thanks, Mike. Speaking now of the acquisition effort at times over the last few months, our challenge has actually been to navigate through the volume of interesting opportunities given our conservative approach to underwriting, and the vagaries of the business cycle, we see businesses that are only just now starting to get their feet under them following the pandemic or want to explore transactions, but just aren't ready to at this point, aren't yet organized from an information and leadership team perspective. Often, it's not until we really engage that the scope of the process becomes apparent to the owners of those businesses – and it takes them a while to get up the curve. So effectively, we're constantly evaluating parameters like financial performance, strategic value and certainty of close and deciding where we focus and spend our time. But in general, it's a good environment. We've got a good underwriting and diligence team, and we're persistent. The summer months are generally a little quieter from a prospecting perspective. During these months, business owners tend to spend more time away from where the action is. And to some extent, this year is really no different. That being said, this dynamic of business is just trying or rather just harder and more difficult for smaller companies hasn't really gone away. And I don't see that changing anytime soon. Small business owners everywhere are navigating many of the same market dynamics that we are, but often are doing it with fewer resources at their disposal, and it's just very frustrating for them. So our value proposition of providing administrative and operational support in a culture that has a partnership like field and that feels very familiar to them continues to resonate well in these local markets. We've been juggling and reshuffling opportunities over the quarter, and that's fine. We're happy to carry a pipeline of great businesses with great leaders, who might one day join the platform. And if that means next quarter, that's fine with us. If it means two quarters from now, that's fine, too. We'll continue to reshuffle. We're discriminating buyers, and if and when we deploy capital, we want to do it thoughtfully and with the maximum impact. Charlie?

Charlie Bacon

Analyst

As I stated earlier, we are reiterating our guidance for the year. We currently expect revenues to be in the range of $510 million to $540 million and adjusted EBITDA to be in the range of $25 million to $29 million. While not part of our formal guidance, I also want to share a little more detail on the revenue composition, given our comments around the pace of the ODR transition. We're currently expecting GCR revenue to be in the range of $275 million to $310 million in the ODR range in the range of $220 million to $245 million. As a reminder, last year, we delivered $140 million of ODR revenue. Turning to capital allocation. We are committed to executing our transformational growth strategy and delivering on our financial growth targets, and we continue to have discussions with the Board on capital allocation strategies appropriate to achieving those objectives. These discussions include acquisitions, organic growth initiatives and general application of SG&A dollars. We also have evaluated share repurchase program. A repurchase program needs to consider the available trading float and liquidity of our shares and the actual mechanical feasibility of repurchasing shares given that liquidity. We believe the best use of our capital is to support the continued execution of the growth strategy. With all that stated, we will continue to actively evaluate a share repurchase program. I want to note that members of the executive team and Board members have been purchasing shares in the market during our open periods. The shares are certainly undervalued. Before wrapping up to take your comments, I'd like to touch on what Mike mentioned earlier in regards to the macroeconomic and market environment. With a recession now on us, at least technically, Limbach is prepared and well equipped for any economic slowdown, both operationally and financially. Over the past few years, we've undertaken a transformational change in our business, and we continue to successfully execute that plan. We deliberately rationalized our GCR business, leading to much better execution, profitability and cash generation. We have invested in growing our OTR segment and those investments are paying off in the form of accelerated growth, not to mention being well positioned for the current economic environment. The improvement in our operating cash flow that Jayme noted, has allowed us to continue to reduce our debt, resulting in relatively underlevered balance sheet, which we think serves us well in this current environment. Diverse, evolving and essential, diversity in our market sectors, geography and our customers, evolving with our transformational strategy to the higher-margin OTR segment, essential in that our building owner customers view their building systems as critical to their businesses. Please keep these words in mind as you think about Limbach. With that, we'll take your questions.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. We will now be conducting a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Thank you. Our first question comes from the line of Rob Brown with Lake Street Capital. Please proceed with your question.

Rob Brown

Analyst

Hi, good morning.

Charlie Bacon

Analyst

Good morning, Rob.

Rob Brown

Analyst

A little further color on the shift to maintenance. I think you talked about that in the ODR business. How has that grown? And how do you see that at this point for the -- or the trend line in that on the maintenance side?

Charlie Bacon

Analyst

The maintenance base continues to grow and there's really two components of that Rob, that you have to consider. One is the actual sales and bringing on new customers that we're trending similar to last year, which is good. And the other part is maintaining the existing base, and we continue to focus on the customers we have with the maintenance contracts. And we're going to hear that in two ways, obviously, to maintain the contract, but also to expand what I refer to as wallet share. So we have over 1,200 owner direct customers and we're looking at those customers just from an account planning perspective to say, where else can we go with them. And it really also gets down to kind of return on people, how can we maximize the return of our people with those customers within that portfolio. So actually, it's gone really well, and we're pleased with the base where it stands. We'd like to see more growth in it, but we continue to invest appropriately to see that growth materialize.

Rob Brown

Analyst

Okay. Great. And then just for kind of the demand environment, I think you talked pretty positively about how things are coming in overall. Do you see that sort of continuing now for the past the quarter end? And do you see any sort of softness on the horizon or is the demand indications fairly strong?

Charlie Bacon

Analyst

Rob, in our primary market sectors, we're not seeing any let off, healthcare, data centers, research and development, laboratories and our entree in a broader way, we commercial and industrial that's pretty hot. And we don't see that letting up. If you think about all the plant expansion activity that's out there being announced, it's pretty exciting to see what that market is bringing to us. And my comment around -- I think that's a fairly future for us. We're looking for further expansion into the industrial sector. And the Midwest, there's quite a few plants being planned. So I'm very optimistic about those particular sectors. On our -- what I'll call our non-primary or secondary sectors, what's interesting, maybe CapEx isn't going to be a strong with them, which we're not so dependent upon. But from a maintenance perspective, those particular sectors, all those buildings and including commercial buildings, office buildings have to be maintained -- so -- and we saw that with our T&M expansion. And smaller project work within those buildings. It's all expanding. So right now, again, I'm pretty optimistic on our primary sectors and the secondary sectors continue to give us nice revenue flow.

Rob Brown

Analyst

Okay. Thank you. I'll turn it over.

Charlie Bacon

Analyst

Thanks, Rob.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from the line of Chip Moore with EF Hutton. Please proceed with your question.

Chip Moore

Analyst · EF Hutton. Please proceed with your question.

Good morning. Thanks for taking the questions.

Charlie Bacon

Analyst · EF Hutton. Please proceed with your question.

Good morning, Chip

Chip Moore

Analyst · EF Hutton. Please proceed with your question.

Hi, Charlie. Great to see that acceleration in your ODR-- obviously, you talked about higher percentage exiting the year and you gave us some -- some guidance there. Clearly, you're going to get that 50-50 goal sooner than 2025, these trends hold up. You also talked about sort of to think about some normalization as we look out a bit. Just maybe help us think about some of those dynamics as we think about that 50-50 split and how that evolves.

Charlie Bacon

Analyst · EF Hutton. Please proceed with your question.

Rob, I'm sorry, Chip, so this is the one point of your question, I couldn't quite hear it.

Chip Moore

Analyst · EF Hutton. Please proceed with your question.

Yes, just really about that going or growth really accelerating and just hitting that 50-50 split, it looks like you're going to hit it-- right sooner than 2025. And then also just sort of balancing your comments about some normalization there, maybe next year on growth.

Charlie Bacon

Analyst · EF Hutton. Please proceed with your question.

Yes. It's very interesting right now. My comments were really tied to kind of the low teens in terms of future growth of ODR. And I think that's appropriate to state. What we're excited about though is this growth this year actually accelerated more than we thought, which was exciting to see. We're doing better account management with our customers and I mentioned this is the words we use here at the company called expansion of wallet share. We're really focused on seeing where else can we go with the owners that we have under contract today. And of course, we're adding new ones. But it's a dynamic that that I use the words critical infrastructure in my prepared remarks today, it's become clear to us that these customers absolutely need us to operate their businesses. We kind of always knew that. But what's happened now is we're just seeing they're really liking what we're doing with our customer care and they're expanding their capital program with us. They're giving us more and more work, that's the cost of the acceleration. So it's going to be interesting to see is it the low teens or is it even better? But right now, we're trying to give some guidance for modeling that the low teens would be appropriate to look at going into 2023 to 2024.

Chip Moore

Analyst · EF Hutton. Please proceed with your question.

Got it. And back to that 50-50 split, I guess, more so in terms of M&A, if we think about that pipeline, I assume it skews more owner direct. Is that something that could potentially get us there sooner as well.

Charlie Bacon

Analyst · EF Hutton. Please proceed with your question.

Matt, do you want to comment on that? A – Matt Katz: Sure. Chip, the profile of the target universe actually doesn't skew overwhelmingly ODR, it tends to skew reasonably consistent with where Limbach is today or might have been last quarter sort of somewhere typically between 70-30 and 60-40. I think the big difference is that in those businesses, GCR revenue tends to look very different than what we might perform in some of our more sophisticated GCR locations. And so instead of finding a business that's got a book of $25 million and $30 million large university health care projects. We see target companies with GCR work that's $500,000, $1 million, $1.5 million, and they've been doing work in those facilities for a long time. There just happens to be a GC in the middle and the relationship works for everybody. And so, they've rolled with that structure and they make good money off of it. They've never really thought about their business the way that we do. And so, when we have that conversation about why they're working for a GC in that healthcare facility, it's sort of the first time anyone's really asked. So, there's an opportunity there, I think, to shift that contractual relationship – but in general, the profile of the businesses does tend to be somewhere between 30% and 40% ODR, sometimes a little higher, sometimes a little lower, but with a path to accelerating that over the course of the next 18 to 24 months post closing.

Chip Moore

Analyst · EF Hutton. Please proceed with your question.

Perfect. That's helpful, Matt. And maybe just on that one for me. I don't think you want to get into debating what defines the recession, but your commentary – it sounds like you feel pretty good about the portfolio and the trends you're seeing. I guess I'm thinking broader legislative, right, Inflation Reduction Act, CHIPS Act, we have the infrastructure active well back. Have you seen some potential tailwinds from some of that or do you foresee that?

Jayme Brooks

Analyst · EF Hutton. Please proceed with your question.

When I look at the current situation, let me back up a little bit. Mike and I actually toured all of our business units over the past two months with the exception of one that's happening later this month. And we specifically went and said hello to customers. We're actually out reinforcing our strategic plan with all of our employees having samples face-to-face, which we haven't done it in a while because of the pandemic. But we also stopped by at each location and met with customers. And what I found very interesting about all of those meetings, every one of them, we have such a type relationship with them and they view us as mission-critical and our customer care is off the charts. They're very, very pleased and they point to our technicians. The reason I keep bringing you back and the reason I keep giving you more is because of Jordan and they named the individuals that they really like more key work. And through this, what might be an economic downturn, it's become clear to me. There's not going to be any letup, they absolutely have to maintain their facilities. So I'm not going to get into all the details of what we saw, but there were some great meetings that we had. And I think there's a lot more to be had there yet. So again, when I talk about account management and really figuring out where else can we go with these multisite customers there's a lot more growth there for us. Now that's on the ODR front. On the GCR side, which we're still focused on and we expect to continue to see revenues coming through our GCR relationships, the AIA [ph] Index, when I looked at the last set of numbers, along with some other industry data that we look at, there's still expansion going on. right? So could that cool in the future? Maybe. But as of right now, what they're producing in terms of opportunities will flow to us six to nine months out and there's still an expansion mode Add on to that the industrial sector, which I think is with all the onshoring and the geopolitical matters around the globe, there's going to be a lot of opportunity for us, namely in the Southeast and we're studying the Midwest. We think there's going to be a pretty robust growth opportunity for the company going forward. So Chip, I hope that answers the question? We're feeling good about where we stand.

Chip Moore

Analyst · EF Hutton. Please proceed with your question.

No, that's great color. I appreciate it. Thank you very much.

Charlie Bacon

Analyst · EF Hutton. Please proceed with your question.

Thanks, Chip.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Jon Old with Long Meadow Investors. Please proceed with your question.

Jon Old

Analyst · Long Meadow Investors. Please proceed with your question.

Good morning, everyone. Thanks and congrats on a great quarter.

Charlie Bacon

Analyst · Long Meadow Investors. Please proceed with your question.

Good morning. Thank you.

Jon Old

Analyst · Long Meadow Investors. Please proceed with your question.

Yeah, Jayme, I wonder if you could just highlight a little more when all the dust settles with the L.A. branch and other branches and other cost-saving initiatives, the lease terminations, real estate decline in real estate spending. Where should SG&A, sort of, settle in? Obviously, it's elevated because of some of those things. But once we get through that -- through this year, where should that number settle in roughly?

Jayme Brooks

Analyst · Long Meadow Investors. Please proceed with your question.

Yes. So over the long-term, we're really anticipating that the SG&A will run between 13% to 13.5% of revenue. So once we get through this kind of transition, we expect to settle there in the long term.

Jon Old

Analyst · Long Meadow Investors. Please proceed with your question.

Okay. Great. Thanks. And on the claims, just out of curiosity, what -- that we're going to receive about $8 million, what is that as a percentage of total face amount of curiosity?

Jayme Brooks

Analyst · Long Meadow Investors. Please proceed with your question.

So we did receive two and then the additional is scheduled to be received by the end of this year.

Jon Old

Analyst · Long Meadow Investors. Please proceed with your question.

Right. But of the…

Jayme Brooks

Analyst · Long Meadow Investors. Please proceed with your question.

Then our total claims exceed over $40 million, so we don't get into actually what percentage the detail of that just because of the negotiations that we're going through.

Jon Old

Analyst · Long Meadow Investors. Please proceed with your question.

Okay. Got you. Okay. Thanks. Okay. That was it from me. Thanks very much.

Jayme Brooks

Analyst · Long Meadow Investors. Please proceed with your question.

Thank you.

Charlie Bacon

Analyst · Long Meadow Investors. Please proceed with your question.

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from George Melas with MKH Management. Please proceed with your question.

George Melas

Analyst · MKH Management. Please proceed with your question.

Thank you. Good morning, everybody. Just a few, sort of, housekeeping questions. The restructuring charges, are they all related to GCR?

Jayme Brooks

Analyst · MKH Management. Please proceed with your question.

Yes.

George Melas

Analyst · MKH Management. Please proceed with your question.

Okay. And…

Jayme Brooks

Analyst · MKH Management. Please proceed with your question.

And we have property just be clear. So we're reducing our footprint so you'll see those charges to the adjusted EBITDA as well, but does office space.

George Melas

Analyst · MKH Management. Please proceed with your question.

Okay. I'm not sure I understood what you meant Jayme there. It is -- as you reduce that, but it should it be mid-GCR, or should it be more, sort of, in some kind of corporate bucket that they are less allocated to both?

Jayme Brooks

Analyst · MKH Management. Please proceed with your question.

Yes. So it's going to be part of both because we allocate our overheads to both GCR and ODR. So as we bring down our footprint, we're bringing it down because the -- because of our focus of moving people out of the office and being we're able to work remote part of the time to that square footage is coming down. So you'll see it separate from that perspective.

George Melas

Analyst · MKH Management. Please proceed with your question.

Okay. Is there a rate then to parse the 2.9% year-to-date in restructuring? And how much of that is Southern California, Eastern Pennsylvania on the one hand? And how much is other things?

Jayme Brooks

Analyst · MKH Management. Please proceed with your question.

Yes. So for the year, do you actually look at the adjusted EBITDA table that's in our earnings release. You'll see the adjustments there, and you can -- we don't carve out outside of -- like we don't carve out -- just at SoCal or just EPA. It's a total bucket. So for the three months, it was $1.5 million for restructuring charges. So that includes SoCal and then also the Eastern Pennsylvania GCR business as well as other restructuring and cost-saving initiatives, and then that was $2.9 million for the six months.

George Melas

Analyst · MKH Management. Please proceed with your question.

Okay. Okay. Great. And then sort of a general question about the over billing and under billing, it seems like you are in a fairly neutral zone right now. But I think you have a net under billing of just 5 million. Is that something that should remain relatively flat, or do you expect -- because it has had huge fluctuation in the last couple of years. How should one think of that as it impacts basically cash flow?

Jayme Brooks

Analyst · MKH Management. Please proceed with your question.

George, I can take that one real quick. As we look at the transformation of our business, the GCR depending on the cycle that we’re in tends to be -- tends to go up and down. What we're looking forward to from an ODR perspective is the billing to be more stable as we look forward. So I think this is really going to trend as we continue towards our shift over time.

George Melas

Analyst · MKH Management. Please proceed with your question.

Okay. And just to understand, like on an ODR basis, are you pretty much on a neutral zone in, because if the projects are $10,000, $20,000, are you pretty much always pretty flat from over billing, under billing in ODR?

Jayme Brooks

Analyst · MKH Management. Please proceed with your question.

We expect a lot less fluctuations with the owner-direct. From an owner-direct perspective, one thing that's really beneficial to us is in a GCR type arrangement, our money flows from the owner to the GCR to us, in an owner-direct relationship that money flows directly to us. So inherently, that's built in some inefficiencies what's nice about is the owner-direct we expect, less fluctuations, and there's no way necessarily between us to collect their money quicker.

George Melas

Analyst · MKH Management. Please proceed with your question.

Okay. Fantastic. Great. Thank you very much.

Jayme Brooks

Analyst · MKH Management. Please proceed with your question.

Thanks, George.

Operator

Operator

We have no further questions at this time. I would now like to turn the floor back over to management for closing comments.

Charlie Bacon

Analyst

Well, thank you everybody for joining us today. We're very pleased with the quarter our overall progress this year. We're very excited about the accelerated growth of ODR and how we expect to achieve our 50:50 mix sooner than expected, which is great. We look forward to talking to you next quarter. If you have any other questions, please follow-up with our Investor Relations group or directly with Matt Katz. Thank you. Bye-bye.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation, and have a wonderful day.