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MSC Industrial Direct Co., Inc. (MSM)

Q1 2017 Earnings Call· Wed, Jan 11, 2017

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to the MSC Industrial Supply Reports Fiscal 2017 First Quarter Results Conference Call. All participants will be in a listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions]. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. [Operator Instructions]. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to John Chironna, Vice President of Investor Relations and Treasurer. Please go ahead.

John G. Chironna

Analyst

Thank you, Drew and good morning everyone. Happy New Year. I'd like to welcome you to our fiscal 2017 first quarter conference call. In the room with me are Chief Executive Officer, Erik Gershwind and our Chief Financial Officer, Rustom Jilla. During today's call, we will refer to various financial and management data in the presentation slides that accompany our comments as well as our operational statistics, both of which can be found on the Investor Relations section of our website. Let me reference our Safe Harbor statement under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Our comments on this call as well as the supplemental information we are providing on the website contain forward-looking statements within the meaning of the U.S. securities laws including guidance about expected future results, expectations regarding our ability to gain market share, and expected benefits from our investment and strategic plans. These forward-looking statements involve risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those anticipated by these statements. Information about these risks is noted in our earnings press release and the risk factors in the MD&A sections of our latest Annual Report on Form 10-K filed with the SEC as well as in our other SEC filings. These forward-looking statements are based on our current expectations and the company assumes no obligation to update these statements. Investors are cautioned not to place undue reliance on these forward-looking statements. In addition, during the course of this call, we may refer to certain adjusted financial results which are non-GAAP measures. Please refer to the GAAP versus non-GAAP reconciliations in our presentation, which contain the reconciliation of the adjusted financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures. And you may have noticed that we are now reporting average daily sales in our operational statistics on our website. Also given that customer count and average transaction size have not changed much at all in more than eight quarters we will be reporting these metrics on an annual basis going forward. I'll now turn the call over to Erik.

Erik Gershwind

Analyst · Macquarie. Please go ahead

Thank you, John and good morning everybody. Thanks for joining us today. I want to start by wishing everybody a happy 2017. I'll begin this morning's discussion by covering the environment which is showing potential signs of stabilizing. We’ve also seen increased optimism from our customers over the past couple of months. I’ll then discuss recent business developments which were highlighted by the following; solid share gains and sales above the midpoint of our guidance for our first quarter, stable gross margins in line with expectations, strong execution resulting in operating expenses that came in slightly below our guidance, and as a result of all of this earnings per share above the top-end of our fiscal first quarter guidance range. Rustom will then provide additional details on our first quarter financial results, and will also share our second quarter fiscal 2017 guidance, I’ll then conclude with some additional perspective on our performance. And we will then open up the line for questions. So let me begin with market conditions and our first quarter. While conditions remain difficult throughout the quarter we did see a better than expected November as well as a return to growth in December, the start of our second quarter. The improvement in growth rate was across all of our customer types. MDI readings that had risen above 48 back in August continued above the 48 level through October and then ticked up to 49.7 in November and 49.8 in December bringing the rolling 12 month average to 47.2. The most current readings imply essentially stable metal working end markets, and are a significant improvement over the trends of the past year. Remember that December of last year was at a reading of 44. If the current levels hold this bodes well for our prospects given our…

Rustom Jilla

Analyst · Macquarie. Please go ahead

Thank you, Erik. Good morning everyone. So let’s turn to our fiscal first quarter in greater detail. Our average daily sales in the first quarter declined by 2.9% versus last year with our sales to manufacturers being down 4.2%. However, Q1 ADS was better than our guidance midpoint of minus 3.5% and also better sequentially as last year’s fourth quarter ADS was minus 3.6%. Our gross margin was 45% for the quarter in line with the midpoint of our guidance and down very slightly from the 45.1% delivered in fiscal 2016 first quarter. As Erik noted the pricing environment remains soft but we’ve continued to offset this headwind with gross margin counter measures. We have also continued to tightly manage our operating expenses. Fiscal first quarter sales were approximately 4.4 million above the midpoint of guidance. Nevertheless even after allowing for the increase in variable cost associated with this OPEX too came in below the guidance midpoint. OPEX was also around $10 million lower versus the fiscal first quarter of last year. Now keep in mind that last year’s Q1 included about 5 million of unusually high medical expenses as we transitioned to a new medical plan at the end of calendar 2015. So after adjusting for this and for lower variable cost due to lower Q1 sales, our year-on-year OPEX reduction on an apples to apples basis was around 3 million. Of course there are other puts and takes, lower amortization related to J&L acquisition and higher bonus accruals with the two largest and they roughly offset each other. I’d like to reiterate an important point also made on our last earnings call. In fiscal 2016 on a comparable 52 week basis our sales declined by around 103 million and our gross margin declined by around 20 basis points.…

Erik Gershwind

Analyst · Macquarie. Please go ahead

Thank you, Rustom. For the past two years we’ve operated in the midst of a prolonged industrial recession, one of which is particularly acute in our primary end markets of metal working manufacturing. We executed well during this time outperforming the markets that we served. But we also used this time to retool and refocus the company making MSC a better performing business. We stayed focused on providing our existing customers with exceptional service as well as creating new customer relationships. Many of our customers businesses have been depressed by the difficult environment. And this has created the potential for a spring loaded effect when the industrial economy returns to stronger foot. We’ve enhanced our value proposition by investing in improved technical capabilities, inventory management solutions, and technology including e-commerce, digital capabilities, and analytics. We forged new supplier relationships and enhanced existing ones to further our efforts to capture market share from the local and regional distributors that make up roughly 70% of the market that we serve. We worked hard with our suppliers to bring purchase cost down and stabilize gross margin in historically challenging pricing environment. We leaned out the company with a heavy grass roots focus on productivity throughout the organization and that’s the testament of the hard work of all of our associates. We built on our already strong culture to become leaner, sharper, and more nimble. We generated significant cash flow by carefully managing working capital and then we deployed that capital in ways that enhance shareholder returns such as the buyback that was done in August of last year. We did all of this in preparation for an eventual industrial recovery. And we are now seeing signs that a potential recovery could be coming. If in fact it becomes a reality we will benefit from a tremendous earnings leverage story. If it does not we’ll stay focused on continuing to execute the playbook that I’ve outlined knowing that it will make that earnings leverage story even more compelling when the recovery eventually does arrive. I'd once again like to thank our entire team for their hard work and their dedication and will now open up the line for questions.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. The first question comes from Hamzah Mazari of Macquarie. Please go ahead.

Hamzah Mazari

Analyst · Macquarie. Please go ahead

Good morning, Happy New Year. Just a question on your margin framework. You guys did pretty strong margins, 13.3%, despite sales declining. Is the margin framework too conservative around your operating leverage? I know you mentioned incentive comp potentially being a headwind. Just trying to think of how to think about the operating leverage, which seems to be coming in stronger relative to the go forward margin framework?

Rustom Jilla

Analyst · Macquarie. Please go ahead

Hamzah hi, it is Rustom for you and good morning and Happy New Year to you as well. So the short answer is no, we don't think it's too conservative. Look quite simply our framework is for the year and not for any one quarter. So we had seasonal swings in our quarterly operating margins in Q2. For example the operating margin is typically much lower due to the holidays as well as the payroll tax resets, right for the new calendar year. Now last year we also reversed remember some of our H1 bonus accruals in the third quarter and that was based on updated forecast and deteriorating market conditions. And last year's Q1 also had unusually high medical expenses. So, look I mean I could give you more detail on that and I can also talk about the incentive compensation step up which will impact more in the second half than the first half because of the reversals rate last year and when we flagged that. But really I mean the real answer is that our operating margin framework is appropriate for the full year. But quarter-by-quarter it will bounce around. So hence we're out of the gates with a very strong start but the whole -- the full year framework holds.

Erik Gershwind

Analyst · Macquarie. Please go ahead

Yeah, Hamzah, this is Erik I would highlight one thing that Rustom said there and we mentioned that on the last call which is the incentive comps for the year on the last call we said we had what we saw as a onetime meaning this year step up in incentive comp that would be 40 basis points of headwinds. That was for the year. As Rustom mentioned the dynamic is such that virtually all of that 40 basis points headwind is going to happen in the second half of the year. So we have not yet seen that headwind so to Rustom's point we are thinking net-net still on track.

Hamzah Mazari

Analyst · Macquarie. Please go ahead

That's very helpful. And then some of your suppliers have talked about potentially using more of a distribution channel versus a direct channel. And I'm just curious if that's something that you've seen already as a benefit to you guys or is that something yet to come? And is it at all material and how we should think about that?

Erik Gershwind

Analyst · Macquarie. Please go ahead

Yeah, Hamzah it is a good observation. I would say we are seeing a trend among some of our suppliers with many already do all or virtually all of their sales through distribution. I would say there is more of a trend of laid towards putting more of sales through distribution. And I think the reason that's the case is because distribution is winning as a channel in the marketplace. So I think it's a response to what's happening with customers making choices about where they want to buy and that's through well performing distributors. What I would say is I think that it's still very early. There are certain suppliers and very important suppliers to us that we're in discussions with about how we can help them in their efforts. But I would say still very, very early and you're not really seeing much of that in our numbers today.

Hamzah Mazari

Analyst · Macquarie. Please go ahead

With this last question I'll turn it over, maybe for Rustom. Could you maybe outline what the corporate tax reform benefit would be to you guys and what you plan to do with the cash? It seems like the cash tax rate is very similar to book tax, and you have obviously 97% U.S. exposure. Just curious if you could outline what you think the benefit is and what you guys plan to do with the potential cash savings? Thanks.

Rustom Jilla

Analyst · Macquarie. Please go ahead

Sure Hamzah. Look, I mean yes, our federal tax rate is pretty much we pay our full federal tax so any reduction whether it's 20% to 25% to 15% any reduction will be a positive for us, right. The ultimate EPS benefit to us and we definitely expect it will depend on what the offsets are and whether there are any offsets. I mean that could be with foreign tariff, cross border taxes, interest, a whole bunch of different factors which might or might not come into play. So it's hard to quantify. I mean since you did ask the question it was foreign tax related but I will sort of make the point on the -- on our cost of goods sold as well in there and that is that remember that about 12% to 15% of our cost of goods sold comes directly from outside the U.S. And we believe that -- and we believe, we don't have the exact number with the U.S. purchases that are actually foreign source it's roughly about 40%. So remember many suppliers have multiple countries of origin and alternatives as we do also. And in any case inflation is historically good for distributors but it's a bunch of different factors here that mean it's hard to quantify exactly how much of the benefit will flow through but we clearly are expecting a benefit. Now part B of your question is what will we do with that. So I mean, look I mean in general we believe in steadily increasing our ongoing ordinary dividends. I mean we're very, very Erik and I have been very consistent in terms of communicating that. There's no reason to think that will change. And we have also demonstrated over the years that if we do have excess cash flow over and above requirements, we are balanced and opportunistic in terms of capital management and if we do have excess cash at the end of the day that we can’t deploy in the business, that we can’t deploy you know for ordinary dividend increases, and if we don't have attractive M&A we are absolutely not averse to returning it by way of open market by banks or even tender type things. So that’s a long answer but it is hopefully a comprehensive answer.

Hamzah Mazari

Analyst · Macquarie. Please go ahead

No, very helpful. I appreciate it, thank you.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Matt Duncan of Stephens. Please go ahead.

Matt Duncan

Analyst · Stephens. Please go ahead

Hey, good morning guys. Happy New Year and nice job this quarter.

Erik Gershwind

Analyst · Stephens. Please go ahead

Thanks Matt, Happy New Year to you.

Matt Duncan

Analyst · Stephens. Please go ahead

Thanks. So Erik I wanted to start on the average daily sales trends so, November you said was a little bit better than expected. You move to December and the growth got four or got six points better against a four point more difficult comparison and Rustom you talked a little bit about sort of what drove that higher December number. Could you maybe talk about was there any improvement in that growth rate through the month of December, did you see maybe fewer plant shutdowns in 2016 than in 2015 just trying to get a sense for how much conservatism there could be in the expectation for flat next couple of months if some of this stuff does carry forward?

Erik Gershwind

Analyst · Stephens. Please go ahead

Yeah Matt. So look no question when you hold back. We are seeing an improvement in the growth rate in the business, okay plain and simple because you're right you point to its start in November being better than expectations, December certainly better. What we wanted to do though is give you a realistic picture that I would say in terms of December it was a pretty strong month across the Board obviously. So Rustom mentioned the 250ish basis points as a rough we estimate from the holiday affect. So obviously we did get a lift in the end of the month but in general look we're seeing some firming up in the underlying business. So even if you back out the 250 basis points or so from the growth rate you still got about point and half for December. Now our belief there Matt is we did see a spike in what we call Capital related purchases. So these -- it could be a machine. It could be a tool holder, it could be a tooling package, let's think of that like a start up kit of cutting tools when a customer purchases a machine. Or all of those things tend to imply optimism about the future obviously if they are investing in the business. Our assumption right now and again Rustom mentioned limited visibility, we're sitting here very early in the month of January is that a lot of what we saw was end of the year buying because customers are more optimistic and that won’t continue in January and February. Which kind of gets us to more or less flatter January and February. As Rustom said if we're wrong our guidance will -- the midpoint anyway would prove to be conservative. But we just don’t know, we sort of giving you our best, our best view of what we see right now.

Matt Duncan

Analyst · Stephens. Please go ahead

Does that imply that the capital purchases did not carry over into the first 10 days of this month or is it just early to know?

Erik Gershwind

Analyst · Stephens. Please go ahead

Well I would say a little earlier than that, it is too early to tell. You also realize our December went through Friday, so that would include early calendar January.

Erik Gershwind

Analyst · Stephens. Please go ahead

So we do have the numbers. Matt I was just going to add that look it’s because we had such difficulty and then because December is a little bit of an unusual month right, that is why we are being so to the best of our ability we're trying to provide you with an account of what it is between the holiday effect and the capital goods. I mean, especially in our guidance I mean if we were, if ADS did happen to come in, it is 1% higher. You know that movement, that is about -- that is worth about $0.02 on the shares. You can see it now in our numbers. We are just trying to be very transparent as to how we -- as to what the basis is for the guidance.

Matt Duncan

Analyst · Stephens. Please go ahead

Okay, that's all very, very helpful and Rustom you made a comment about gross margin potentially stable into the third quarter, you are saying stable year-over-year or stable with the 44.6 for the 2Q.

Rustom Jilla

Analyst · Stephens. Please go ahead

It is the latter.

Matt Duncan

Analyst · Stephens. Please go ahead

The later, okay and that assuming that you do see a pick continued, I guess that is assuming a continued pickup in capital goods then which would then be followed by the higher margin stop. So we would see a gross margin improvement down the line, I guess is the way for us to think about that?

Rustom Jilla

Analyst · Stephens. Please go ahead

Obviously you see more of the consumer who's going through you'd begin to see the benefits over there. And you know we really can't provide Q3 guidance so we are just trying to provide some color that we're not suddenly seeing something that would call you know -- obtain a sequential drop, that is all we are trying to provide color on.

Erik Gershwind

Analyst · Stephens. Please go ahead

And I think the one thing I'd add about the capital related purchases, look it is an encouraging data point sure. So even if we're right about Q2 I mean in January and February, it tends to -- we haven't seen this dynamic in several years where historically we were in a normalized growth environment. We tend to see a dip in gross margin in the underlying business in the second quarter and certainly in December because of end of year buying and capital purchases. We haven't recently because there's not been optimism. So January and February not withstanding what we do view it as an encouraging data point.

Matt Duncan

Analyst · Stephens. Please go ahead

Okay and the last thing to show quick on pricing Erik can you talk a little bit more about what's going on there. I mean I think everyone's expecting that we might see some inflation show up. It sounds like you haven’t really seen the supplier price increases key up here, but the comment that you might be doing a price increase in a month or two implies to me that you think that may happen. So what are you hearing and seeing out there on that front?

Erik Gershwind

Analyst · Stephens. Please go ahead

Yeah, good question. Matt I would say right now we are seeing some activity but the word that was used was selective and not broad based. So we have seen some suppliers come forth with increases to the calendar year not a ton. Now that may change as time goes on here. Certainly if things firm up, I would expect more to come down the road. So my comment on a price increase and what I call a very modest price increase. It is more reflective of what we've seen to date which would be sporadic. So some activity which is better, you know we like to use what is pretty tough and virtually nothing. But not that I would consider to be broad based. So you can expect whatever we do in pricing at this point anyway would be pretty modest.

Matt Duncan

Analyst · Stephens. Please go ahead

Okay, thanks guys, appreciate the answers.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Robert McCarthy of Stifel. Please go ahead.

Robert McCarthy

Analyst · Stifel. Please go ahead

Good morning everyone. Happy New Year.

Erik Gershwind

Analyst · Stifel. Please go ahead

Happy New Year Rob.

Robert McCarthy

Analyst · Stifel. Please go ahead

You know I guess the first question would be maybe you just talk about -- I mean your average daily sales rate is kind of hovering in the 11 million range or thereabouts. I mean you have seen sort of pricing in the beginnings of what you kind of talked about here for kind of an industrial short cycle recovery fueled by this optimism. What do you think could be the outside bound of what that daily sales rate could be over the next twelve to eighteen months?

Erik Gershwind

Analyst · Stifel. Please go ahead

Rob, I wish I knew. I mean we can hardly give you the other balance of the quarter. Here is what I would tell you is that you can generally track some of what I can tell you is what we measure and what I feel like we can control and feel pretty certain about it, how are we doing relative to the environment that we're in. And what we're seeing now is an environment that appears to be certainly had signs of stabilizing. Now what we look to do is outperform the market in any given level. If you believe in a strong recovery and you believe that the manufacturing markets and in particular the metalworking manufacturing markets were to grow at a meaningful rate you could see growth rates for the company in double-digits based on our gap. But of course that would require that the economy really firm up. On the other hand if things are really continue to muddle along, and December was just a bit of a onetime Spike, well over time based on all the indices we're looking at we would expect to grow but not nearly at those rates. So for us what we can control is how fast we outpace the market. Certainly if the market comes back and you look at our historical numbers there, nothing from our standpoint has changed that would lead us to believe normalized growth environment of the company historically has grown mid to high single-digits. And in a stronger sort of recovery case the company is growing double-digits. No reason to think that couldn’t be the case but we just had such limited visibility

Robert McCarthy

Analyst · Stifel. Please go ahead

And in terms of the border adjustability tax and other issues I mean do you think you're going to have to kind of revisit your 10-Q in terms of highlighting the risks, I mean because there is I mean, you can talk about in short at this point in terms of what the risks are. But do you have the Republican tax plan out there, do you do have some detail around how these offsets could kind of play out and so do you think you have to address in a forth rate manner what it would mean if we saw border adjustability tax world?

Rustom Jilla

Analyst · Stifel. Please go ahead

I mean here is our challenge. I mean it's really early. I mean what is -- what's going to be the new tax floor. I mean they are different proposed by the different proposals out there between as far as we can tell the incoming administration, Congress, or the rest of it. It's just too early but yes, I mean your broader philosophical point I mean as soon as these things sort of firm up I mean absolutely we would -- once they firm up we can then figure out what the impact is and once you figure out what the impact is and what the implications are of course we will communicate them.

Robert McCarthy

Analyst · Stifel. Please go ahead

And then I guess to get down from the 30,000 foot level to something a little more ticky tacky, it looks like your depreciation expense year-over-year came down modestly but couple million in the context of that, could you and I think it was did you have some asset sales and the balls of CAPEX last year but could you talk about what drove the lower DNA in the quarter versus last year?

Rustom Jilla

Analyst · Stifel. Please go ahead

Sure that's mostly the A part of that. That's the G&A amortization that I was talking about which we also mentioned back last year. And that's what it is mostly about. I mean our full year depreciation is in the ball park of around 65 million.

Robert McCarthy

Analyst · Stifel. Please go ahead

65 million?

Erik Gershwind

Analyst · Stifel. Please go ahead

DNA.

Robert McCarthy

Analyst · Stifel. Please go ahead

I will leave it there.

Erik Gershwind

Analyst · Stifel. Please go ahead

Thank you Rob.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Ryan Merkel of William Blair. Please go ahead.

Ryan Merkel

Analyst · William Blair. Please go ahead

Hey, good morning everyone.

Erik Gershwind

Analyst · William Blair. Please go ahead

Hey Ryan.

Ryan Merkel

Analyst · William Blair. Please go ahead

So first of all just want to put a little more context around the cap goods left. How much of this category up year-over-year if you have the number and then when was the last time you saw the cap goods perking up at all, my guess it’s been maybe two years but maybe that would be helpful to put some context to it?

Erik Gershwind

Analyst · William Blair. Please go ahead

You know Ryan to answer the last question first it’s actually been more than two years, it is at least three years because the last two years there's been really low confidence among our customer base. It has been at least three years since we've seen anything resembling this, that’s the first thing I would say. The second point, I don't have the numbers off hand but I can tell you it’s something that it was a noticeable and unexpected uptick across really all of those categories that I mentioned. So the machinery, the machine tool accessories I think like the tool holders and then also the tooling packages pretty evenly dispersed across all of those. It was a pretty healthy unexpected lift that drove a good part of the sequential downdraft in gross margin but obviously very encouraging about what that could mean.

Rustom Jilla

Analyst · William Blair. Please go ahead

About 1.5% of December is ADS growth. So if you do the math that’s in the 3 million to 4 million range. Again with these numbers and with the holidays they are estimates, Ryan which is always hard to exactly quantify.

Ryan Merkel

Analyst · William Blair. Please go ahead

It is encouraging it is, it's just one module. You know I think we shall be cognizant of that but it is definitely encouraging. So then your peers had a soft November and you beat my model. I'm just wondering if maybe how to answer but do you think this is more about your metalworking exposure and just coming off a deep trough or do you think share gains are picking up steam.

Rustom Jilla

Analyst · William Blair. Please go ahead

Look I would say, we have been pretty consistent in a couple of things one is we have felt over time pretty good about our share gain performance. And I think that continues. I feel like we’re executing well and I think we've also been pretty consistent in that. We don't make too much of one month, even two months. This is the same way if we have one or two bad months I would tell you we don't get too alarmed. One or two good months look I think you're right I think on a relative basis November and December appeared to be pretty good pretty good months. We don't make too much and we don't celebrate. I mean so when I would say talk to me in a quarter if we continue outperforming in the season, outperforming peer etc by more than we would have expected, I think then there could be something there and I think you're right. I think the two candidates would be improved. Share gains and or improved metalworking, stabilization, rebound recovery whatever you call. But I think it is too early for us to form a judgment.

Ryan Merkel

Analyst · William Blair. Please go ahead

Okay and just lastly going back to gross margin in Matt's question, I recall last quarter you were talking about or thinking about a flat gross margin for this year and now just based on Q-Q guide and the early 3Q thoughts, it looks like gross margins could be down twenty beds call it. Now I think just to be clear is the change here primarily just the increase in capital goods mix?

Erik Gershwind

Analyst · William Blair. Please go ahead

Yes, actually so, first of all our framework for the year did contemplate modest gross margin deterioration throughout the year. And that's consistent with our usual seasonal patterns and absent the meaningful price increase which as we said we weren’t really counting on as we started the year. So, absolutely our current Q2 midpoint guidance of 44.6 is slightly lower than we had anticipated at that time. And that is due to December's product mix including the capital related sales. Okay so that's what you're seeing. And at this point we don't think it's a good significant departure from our annual framework.

Ryan Merkel

Analyst · William Blair. Please go ahead

Okay, okay, and in terms of fun, if core customers came back and there are higher margin I recall and if you get a little bit, you get some price increase that would obviously maybe push you back towards flattish maybe in a litter better. Right, okay very good, thank you.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Adam Uhlman of Cleveland Research. Please go ahead.

Adam Uhlman

Analyst · Cleveland Research. Please go ahead

Hi, guys, good morning.

Erik Gershwind

Analyst · Cleveland Research. Please go ahead

Good morning Adam.

Adam Uhlman

Analyst · Cleveland Research. Please go ahead

Good, congrats on getting back to growth. I was wondering if we could start maybe earlier in the prepared remarks you had talked a little bit about oil and gas but could you talk about what you're seeing in those, into that geography of the country and the oil patch and what you are hearing from those customers, has that kind of lead this rebound in the capital equipment related sales, could you dig into that please.

Erik Gershwind

Analyst · Cleveland Research. Please go ahead

Yeah sure Adam and I'll start even more broadly just sort of with an end market view and then I'll take hit your point on oil and gas. And just one thing I would say that, I wouldn't yet call this and December looks like a rebound but I think in general we're calling -- we see this to date as more of a stabilization. And look if the December trades really continued and we are wrong about January and February and things continue at this rate you'll probably hear us talking differently on the next call. But for now I think what we're seeing is more stabilization. This stabilization has been pretty broad based Adam. So across most of our core customer types that we referred to was our typical core customer types of the machine and equipment folks, primary metals, metal fabrication. All of those are seeing an improvement over the last couple of months. I think some of that is driven by oil and gas, no question Adam because we've said the indirect effect on all these job shops. And again what we're hearing is more stabilization than it is a strong rebound even with oil and gas. Things have stabilized a bit based on oil prices. Maybe the potential to improve but the word I would use is more stable.

Adam Uhlman

Analyst · Cleveland Research. Please go ahead

Okay, got you, thank you. And then disprove regarding more of the medium term, maybe longer term could you talk through scenarios where you had started to add more aggressively sales headcount would you need to see mid to high single-digit growth to add people rather than trying to get additional selling hours into the preexisting force and then maybe some of the vendors lie but if you could just talk about this ski broke that you had mentioned earlier is that more towards new categories this year as there is further penetration of existing ones? Thanks.

Erik Gershwind

Analyst · Cleveland Research. Please go ahead

Yeah to two really good questions. So our sales force, right, when you picked up on for a while now headcount has been more of a stable and in fact now slightly down. And lot of this Adam, is in response to the environment. So clearly big picture if I look long term here, medium term as you call long-term sales force expansion remains an important component of the company's plan. What we found though is number one in response to the environment we're taking a hard look at productivity before we spend money. And number two is the real driver of growth of share gain of customer satisfaction is how many hours do our sales people get in front of their customers. And so, what you're seeing from us now is really in response to seeing some of our sales force effectiveness programs gain traction that are allowing us to get more selling time without adding to headcount. So those are things such as better using technology and that's using technology to help our sales people be more effective and help them grow customer relationships. It is using technology to help free up their time for more backlog from administrative tasks. Sales force affecting this includes much better work and cross selling between MSC and CCSG which is improving seller productivity. So there's a number of levers that we're looking at and we like what we're seeing. So yeah, certainly if the economy improves or should say when the economy improves over time we are envisioning sales headcount, I do. What I would also tell you though is some of that will be a function how fast that grows will be a function of how good we feel about some of these productivity measures. So to the extent we…

Adam Uhlman

Analyst · Cleveland Research. Please go ahead

Great. Thank you very much for the color.

Erik Gershwind

Analyst · Cleveland Research. Please go ahead

Thanks Adam.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from David Manthey of Baird. Please go ahead

David Manthey

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead

Hi, thank you. Happy New Year guys. So as it relates to the operating margin framework. I believe you said you contemplated 20 or 30 basis points of gross margin degradation in the framework at the beginning of the year. Did your framework also assume a midyear price increase or would that be over and above what was in the assumption?

Rustom Jilla

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead

There was a very small price increase contemplated in that, really not particularly material.

David Manthey

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead

Okay.

Erik Gershwind

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead

So David I think I know where you're going. What we're outlining now about consistent with the framework, less in the framework more than the framework. And I would say you've heard it will happen over the next month or two, the reason being the supplier price increase activity that has not been that broad based we want to get a little more feel for how much is coming in before we quantify it. We refer to it is as very much. What I would say is there is probably from a pricing standpoint not downside to what's in the framework. At this point what we would contemplate is either consistent with the framework and depending upon how the next month or two goes, maybe a little more but I would caution that it’s still too early to say.

Rustom Jilla

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead

And it stays David within the -- if you think about our framework I mean the -- it was a minus 1% to 0% on the slightly negative side and the 0% to plus 1% on the slightly positive right in terms of the guidance that we provided. So everything we're talking about is very much within the within those.

David Manthey

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead

Okay and as it relates to your ability to get price in the coming year you've got one big competitor out there that’s lowering prices on a large swath of their customers and you've got just general secular pressure and relatively slow growth. I mean even if growth picks up a bit here, how are you navigating the environment, are you seeing any price declines generally from competitors out there or you are going to navigate this effectively?

Erik Gershwind

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead

Yes David, I would say look, I would say pricing and I referred to the pricing environment remains seriously competitive as competitive as it's been. But look I would say the primary driver here is consistent with what we've seen which is the distributors that make up the bulk of the market, the roughly 70% of the local distributors are really, really under pressure right now David. And when they get under pressure price becomes one of their primary lever. So that is front and center, we're seeing it. Of course there's other competitive movement going on. I would still tell you that the primary driver of the pricing environment is the local distributors. Look that said what I would tell you was that if we implemented a midyear price increase first of all it would be in response to visible manufacturers moving their best prices. And second of all we would only do it if we felt that we could get a realization from it and that it would be well justified with our customers. And then the last thing I say we feel like in a lot of cases with our good customers we're bringing a heck of a lot of value to them where we're helping them take cost out of their manufacturing operations through technical capabilities, inventory management, etc, etc and we think it's justified. And in many cases even our customers feel it's justified based on the cost we're taking out of their business.

David Manthey

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead

Got it, okay. Last question I think when you're near the end of the call it is required to ask the acquisition question. So, what does your pipeline look like, what is your appetite to do deals today?

Rustom Jilla

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead

So I will take that. I mean there's no change in our M&A outlook. We remain active in building our pipeline as we do have a pipeline and we are keeping on building and assessing where, different stages starting with different things but we actively looking for opportunities but they have to be the right fit. And we're talking there about strategic fit most of all, cultural, ease of integration, and last but absolutely not least not over paying. And the good news is that with 1.1% leverage we have plenty of financial capability.

David Manthey

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead

Got it, alright thanks very much guys.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from John Inch of Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.

John Inch

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead

Yes, thank you, good morning everyone. Hey Rustom your comment around the 40% of profits that you sell that have sort of been imported content do you thing that's, I'm sorry, was it 40%, and then there's 12% to 15% or does the 40% include the 12% to 15% directly imported?

Rustom Jilla

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead

It is the latter John. It's roughly 40% to start with and that would include the 12% to 15% of direct imports that we've talked about in the past. I mean it hasn't been as relevant to talk about it it's way beyond in the past. But this is, remember that many of these suppliers that we buy from have multiple countries of origin and multiple sources from which they supply to us. So now we are trying to quantify more but that's what it is 40.

John Inch

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead

Yeah, the 40 makes more sense than 40 plus 12 to 15, so that I can come up with, I just want to make sure I heard that right. The growing J&L amortization, so this is going to be kind of a 12 million benefit for the year I'm assuming, right?

Rustom Jilla

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead

I think, it was posted about 8, right. I will come back with the exact number. I think it was 8.

John Inch

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead

Okay, I guess my question is if it's -- I want to go back to the framework that you presented last quarter. So we think that you know the top margins are going to decline 40 to 60 basis points but if we're starting and we've got lower general amortizations, so call that maybe 30 plus basis points. And then I think Erik you implied that the headcount, was going to sort of remain at these levels if you see more of a pickup then you're going to pick it up. What's accounting for which is kind of bullish because I would have thought that your headcount might have actually been rising it bodes for your cost structure. So, what is the carrying for the difference again in terms of down still call it 50 basis points at the midpoint and you seem to have these tailwinds and not having to hire people and then you've got this J&L, again just reminding what is the bridging just at a very high level?

Erik Gershwind

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead

So John, we talked about the J&L amortization last time when we did the fourth Q call because we start from the benefits coming in then and various tons of puts and takes in the air. I mean it's the forget the beard, the obvious one is the variable costs and that is the picking, packing, and shipping labor that does come in as well even increases all that we take out as well decreases. I mean there's commissions, there is faith. But there is the key investments. I mean we've talked about telephony which is one of our big, big investments which is helping us. We've talked about the SAP core financials but there is other investments that the company has continued to make. I mean the bigger point over there and yes the compensation increases and all the risks are in there but the point we made last time and which probably take this up this question is an opportunity reiterate this time is that we are targeting a culture and a discipline that looks for productivity to offset pretty much all of these things. And yes, there will be some puts and takes and we call them out like J&L and then showed here you got this indent, that is a benefit of sales window or headwind. But the end of the day in FY'17, the only thing that we said we were not planning on offsetting was the increase in the bonus. And that would -- and that's what you saw flew through the numbers.

Rustom Jilla

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead

So John let me just, let me try to answer it as well. The big headline behind the headwind for 2017 with the bonus step up. The bonus step up is pretty much -- as I said pretty much exclusively backend loaded. So if your question is, hey wait a second you're getting a tailwind from J&L amortization. You're correct and what I would tell you is take a look at our Q1 results and take a look at our Q2 guidance and you'll see without the headwind from bonus what we're producing. So our Q2 guidance implies 100 basis points or so reduction in the OPEX as a percentage of sales on 1.5% sales growth. I think that's pretty healthy.

John Inch

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead

Yes, no it absolutely is there. You actually said the bonus is going to be skewed to the second half. So just conceptually I think you said last quarter the bonus is going to account for the kind of the lion share of the 40 to 60 headwind. I think you just kind of confirm that. [Indiscernible] and then you got the bonus and that's the lion's share of that, does that then imply that in the second half margins because it's 40 to 60 for the year or call it I don't know, let's say 40 from the bonus does that imply margins in the second half fall under a lot more pressure maybe go down to sort of 70 to 80 type of thing to the bonus?

Erik Gershwind

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead

Without quantifying that's a definite headwind John. But remember when we say it is Q2 towards the second half, it is not that we're accruing a different amount this year. It’s pretty even this year as we envisage our accruals right. It's just that last year’s comparative we spend more in the first half and we provided less in the second half. That's why you see the impact being skewed more towards the H2.

John Inch

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead

Okay, got it and then just lastly if we do see this recovery continue to percolate and let's say it's not the double digit but I think those sort of back to the mid to high single-digits which seems completely realistic and expected. How do you guys think of the initial 30% that you talked about last quarter, the variable contribution, is that mid to higher single-digit run rate like X compare just kind of if we could get back to that, is that enough to drive 30 or was the 30 predicated that we talked about last quarter on a much more substantive recovery kind of in the low double-digits that you alluded to before Erik?

Erik Gershwind

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead

No, and the point we were making on that and which we will repeat again is that our first hundred million of revenue growth, right and we’re looking at that. Now obviously where margins can move around a little bit up or down but broadly of our first 100 million in revenue growth we -- we asked to have an incremental labor and commissions and freight and all the rest of that. We believe that $30 million or 30% is what we take down to the bottom line, to the operating profit line.

Rustom Jilla

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead

John I think to your point. We don't need a dramatic recovery. Your point is how fast that hundred million comes does impact the incremental. Sure, the 100 million took a year to come you're right because in a very slow growth came it would be more challenging and the faster the 100 million comes the higher the incremental but to answer your -- I think if we had the 100 million in something like what you described, a scenario you described we would expect that?

John Inch

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead

And it sounds. Like then it's not a function so much of contribution leverage as it is maybe filling up excess capacity. So in other words companies historically if your volume grows faster you see much more rapid incremental. And I realize you're distributing on the manufacturers so it sounds to me like it's a function of 100 million which is a fairly specific number as a function of I'm assuming incrementally filling up like the new Columbus DC, etc, etc. Is that a reasonable assumption?

Erik Gershwind

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead

Actually it helps but I think fundamentally its operating discipline and a culture that says that look we're not going to increase our costs just because our revenue goes up

John Inch

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead

And that's been really impressive. Thank you very much appreciate it.

Erik Gershwind

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead

Thanks John.

Operator

Operator

And the last question will come from Ryan Cieslak of KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Ryan Cieslak

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please go ahead

Thanks for squeezing me in guys, Happy New Year.

Erik Gershwind

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please go ahead

Hey Ryan.

Ryan Cieslak

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please go ahead

A lot of questions asked. I won't keep this long but know Erik I'd be curious to know when you think about the potential price increase you might put through here in the coming months, how does that compare to maybe what you guys have done the last several years. I mean this is the first type of price increase broadly speaking for you guys, is the magnitude greater, just in the context of what the last couple years have presented maybe talk a little bit around that.

Erik Gershwind

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please go ahead

Yeah Ryan. It would be specifically around the midyear you're referring to it would be more than the last couple of years less than historical average.

Ryan Cieslak

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please go ahead

Okay great. And then just a follow up talking and thinking about the capital expenditures that you are spending that you saw here in the last couple months and the possibility of consumables following that Erik. You know historically when would you typically see that, is that a couple of quarter lag when you finally start to see inflection in the consumables or purchases or just how do we think about that going forward as well?

Erik Gershwind

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please go ahead

Yes Ryan, good question. I think that’s about right. If you think about somebody, a customer that says they're going to buy a new machine to expand capacity by the time they get the machine and install it and then they buy a tooling package with it which if you think about it, it is like a startup kit of the consumable that go through it. So they got to get the machine in which may take some time to get in and install, get it up and running and then burn through the first through the tooling package. I think that's a reasonable assumption of a couple quarters.

Ryan Cieslak

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please go ahead

Okay, great. Thanks guys. I appreciate it.

Erik Gershwind

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please go ahead

Thank you, Ryan.

Operator

Operator

This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to John Chironna for any closing remarks.

John G. Chironna

Analyst

Thanks again everyone for joining us today. Our next earnings date is set for April 13, 2017 and we certainly look forward to speaking with you over the coming weeks and months. Thanks again.

Operator

Operator

The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.