Welcome and thank you for standing by. I’d like to inform all participants that your lines have been placed on a listen-only mode until the question-and-answer session of today’s call. Today’s call is also being recorded. If anyone has any objections, you may disconnect at this time. I would now like to turn the call over to Mr. Whit Kincaid. Thank you. You may begin.

Good morning, everyone. Welcome to Mueller Water Products Fourth Quarter and Fiscal Year-End 2019 Conference Call. We issued our press release reporting results of operations for the quarter and year ended September 30, 2019 yesterday afternoon. A copy of it is available on our website, muellerwaterproducts.com. Discussing our fourth quarter and full year results and the outlook for 2020 are Scott Hall, our President and CEO; and Martie Zakas, our CFO. This morning’s call is being recorded and webcast live on the internet. We have also posted slides on our website to help illustrate the quarter’s results as well as to address forward-looking statements and our non-GAAP disclosure requirements. At this time, please refer to Slide 2. This slide identifies non-GAAP financial measures referenced in our press release or in our slides and on this call and discloses the reasons why we believe that these measures provide useful information to investors. Reconciliations between non-GAAP and GAAP financial measures are included in the supplemental information within our press release and on our website. Slide 3 addresses forward-looking statements made on this call. This slide includes cautionary information identifying important factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those included in the forward-looking statements. Please review Slides 2 and 3 in their entirety. During this call, all references to a specific year, unless specified otherwise, refer to our fiscal year which ends September 30. A replay of this morning’s call will be available for 30 days at 1-888-566-0638. The archived webcast and corresponding slides will be available for at least 90 days in the Investor Relations section of our website. In addition, we will furnish a copy of our prepared remarks on Form 8-K later this morning. I’ll now turn the call over to Scott.

Thanks, Whit. Thank you for joining us today to discuss our fourth quarter and full year results for 2019. Our teams finished the year well despite a more challenging operating environment relative to the prior year. We continued to grow the business in the fourth quarter as we increased both net sales and adjusted EBITDA. Our consolidated net sales growth of 5% in the quarter was driven by the benefit of the Krausz acquisition and higher pricing. However, due to the slower-than-expected recovery in residential construction, lowered inventory levels in the channel, and a decrease in Canadian sales, our organic net sales decreased slightly compared with strong sales in the prior year fourth quarter. We continue to improve our gross margin as we delivered a 50 basis point increase in the quarter, excluding the impact of the inventory step-up at Krausz. Additionally, our adjusted EBITDA increased 6% in the quarter with a 20 basis point improvement in margin. I am pleased with how we responded to the challenges we faced throughout this year as we achieved annual net sales growth of 5.7%. Our growth this year was primarily driven by the benefit of the Krausz acquisition and higher pricing. We increased organic net sales 1.6% despite the unexpected contraction in residential construction and lowered inventory levels in the channel. I was especially pleased with the sales growth achieved this year with the specialty valve portion of our business, which was directly impacted by the Aurora tragedy. Higher pricing and improve execution led to a 70 basis point improvement in our gross margin for the year, excluding the impacts of the inventory step-up at Krausz and the warranty charge in the prior year. We more than covered inflation this year and made significant progress absorbing the cost pressures, we have felt…

Thanks, Scott, and good morning, everyone. I will start with our fourth quarter GAAP consolidated financial results and then review our segment performance. Consolidated net sales for the 2019 fourth quarter increased 5% or $12.6 million to $266.9 million. This increase was primarily driven by the acquisition of Krausz in higher pricing, partially offset by lower volumes in infrastructure. Gross profit this quarter increased 3.9% to $88.8 million yielding a gross profit margin of 33.3%. Our gross profit margin decreased 30 basis points compared to the prior year, primarily due to the $2.3 million inventory step-up expense at Krausz. We delivered a 50 basis point year-over-year improvement in our gross margin, excluding this inventory step-up expense as higher pricing more than offset higher costs associated with inflation. Selling, general and administrative costs were $48.5 million in the quarter and SG&A as a percent of net sales was 18.2%. SG&A expenses increased $5.6 million in the quarter, primarily due to the Krausz acquisition. For the year, SG&A as a percent of net sales increased 70 basis points to 18.9%. Excluding the impact of the Krausz acquisition, SG&A as a percent of net sales increased 10 basis points in 2019. In fiscal 2020, we expect total SG&A expenses to be between 19% and 20% of consolidated net sales. Operating income was $39 million in the fourth quarter compared to $40.5 million in the prior year. Strategic reorganization at other charges were $3.7 million in the quarter versus $2.1 million last year. Our fourth quarter results this year, also include a $2.4 million gain from the sale of an idle property. Turning now to our consolidated non-GAAP results. Adjusted operating income of $42.6 million was flat compared with the prior year as higher adjusted operating income at both infrastructure and technologies was offset…

Thanks, Martie. I’d like to comment on a few areas, discuss our full year 2020 outlook and then open the call for questions. 2019 was a challenging year for our organization. We will forever remember the tragedy, which occurred at our Henry Pratt facility on February 15. We can never replace the five members of the Mueller family, we lost that day. Our hearts and minds will always be with the victims and their loved ones, the first responders and the Aurora community. A loss has demonstrated the strength and resiliency of the Aurora community and the Mueller family. The teamwork to heal and rebuild has been an inspirational story for our entire organization as we work to live our core values and improve our culture of execution. In 2019, we face challenges in our end markets and increased macroeconomic uncertainty from global trade tensions. The challenges from slower residential construction activity and the severe weather earlier in the year contributed to lower volumes in our core products. We saw contraction in our Canadian sales, particularly in the fourth quarter as Canadian GDP growth slowed and residential markets weakened. Additionally, channel inventory levels decreased year-over-year as customers adjusted to the slower growth. Despite these headwinds, organic sales grew nearly 2% on infrastructure in 2019, and our teams executed well on our pricing actions and we generated strong sales growth with our specialty valve products. We continue to make progress on our strategies is strengthen and grow the business, regardless of the external environment, as we prioritize investment in our people and our manufacturing capabilities. Our key priorities for 2020 include accelerating new product development, developing a fully integrated technology platform for infrastructure monitoring, driving operational excellence and modernizing our manufacturing facilities. Accelerating new product development is critical for us as…

Thank you. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Michael Wood with Nomura Instinet. You may go ahead.

Hi, good morning.

Good morning, Mike.

I wanted to just first ask about your profit leverage outlook for next year. I’m calculating at the mid-point about 40 basis points of the EBITDA improvement and that’s half the rate that you improve this year. And as you mentioned, you’re targeting 50 basis points or more of net productivity. So I’m curious why there would not be leverage on the sales growth that you’re expecting and if you could just help me bridge that.

Yes, hang on a second here. We’ll try and get the actual leverage numbers in our model, but I think the difference between 40 basis points and 50 basis points at this point is rounding. So I’m not sure, Michael, we can get back to you.

Okay. And are you able to give some, I guess clarity on the inventory de-stock maybe what specific products or end markets that occurred in and our inventory levels now normal? Or do you perceive them as either high or low?

Well, I think they’re a little bit lower from our data checks with our largest customers and they have been over the last 24 months period. So I think they’re at a 24-month low kind of number right now. Certainly down substantially from peak inventories, which may have occurred at Q2, this year. And so I think that, if on average we think of the distribution market as having six turns, I think the destocking could be anywhere from 50 basis points to 150 basis points of demand that happened in the market that didn’t flow through the manufacturing.

Okay. Finally, can you give us some color on what you’re seeing in input costs trends, your outlook for that heading into next year? And maybe just also comment as to, it sounds like from your comments, you’re not expecting price in your guidance. Is there a price increase planned?

I think that we’ll announce price increases to our customers first as opposed to on this call and I think that’s been our habit for the last several years. But with regard to our view for the inflationary pressures, I think we’re kind of in limbo right now. If you’re to look at our plan, our inflation expectations would be around less than 1%, let’s call it. I think there’s price down pressures on scrap materials and on copper in the brass markets, but then I think we have inflationary pressures on some of the components that we purchase. And adds for our ability to get price, I want to reiterate what I said in the prepared comments that we had two price increases during fiscal 2019. We finally got ahead of that whole inflationary cycle that began in the fourth quarter of calendar 2016 and kind of got back to par during 2019. So I don’t know how much more justification for price we’ll see in the market, but certainly it won’t be as strong as it was in 2019.

Okay, thank you.

The caveat I would put on that to Michael is that the depending on what happens with tariffs, we could see some impact in market pricing.

Thank you. Our next question comes from Deane Dray with RBC Capital Markets. You may go ahead.

Thank you. Good morning, everyone.

Good morning, Deane. How are you?

Real well, thanks. Hey, we’d love to get an update on Krausz. Just the integration, and then can you talk a bit about the growth rate? I mean it’s come in pretty strong right out of the blocks, high-single digit growth and unfortunately the demographics work in its favor with aging infrastructure just as would increase the demand for their emergency pipe repair. I mean that’s favorable for Krausz for sure. But just talk us through that dynamic, what kind of growth rates you’re baking in for next year for Krausz?

Okay. So let me start by saying Krausz acquisition added around $14 million of sales to our net sales growth in Q4. And a year-to-date sales impact of about $37 million over three quarters within the implies around a $50 million annual sales number, which is nearly 20% higher than the $43 million calendar 2017 sales reported when we announced the acquisition. So we haven’t disclosed the impact to adjusted operating income or EBITDA of a Krausz adjusted EBITDA margin percentage is higher than our consolidated average. So I don’t want to say it’s going to continue by 20%, but we expect it to be well into that double-digit range as we guided when we did the acquisition. But it has been fairly healthy and really been a bright spot as the fourth quarter rolled out, set records in two of the three months

Updates there, and then how has the reception been to the software platform centric? So it was rolled out officially at WEFTEC, and look like you already had some installations. How’s the reception been?

We’re still in the phase where we’re doing our test customers, our trial customers, launch customers if you will. It’s – I think it’s going to be very, very well accepted, because I think especially in the mid-market where they realize they can do their billing, they can look for leaks, they can – it’s kind of a single user interface for your maintenance and your billing requirements for your metering business. So I think it’s going to be very well accepted. I think the early returns are there’s a fair deal of excitement about it, but we want to make sure we get this right. We want to work on the time to acquire data and make sure we can scale in a very, very large level. And our launch customers are being helpful to say the lease. But as of right now, we still have no revenue in results for Centrex, but we’re very hopeful that it will become a mainstay of software as a service in the future.

Great. And then just last question for me is, I know you referred to the muni markets as favorably set up for 2020, and hope we can expand on that. There’s been this bridging between expectations of low-single digit to mid-single digit, but it really does depend on what regions your index too. I mean, if you were overexposed to the Rust Belt, you’d be at the lower end of that, but if you had more exposure to growth areas like Denver, Texas and California, you’d be on the higher end. So how do you parse out regional exposures and regional differences versus Mueller’s overall exposure?

Yes. So that’s what we’ve tried to do. I’ve had that discussion where it was really the tale of two Americas the population – depopulation in Connecticut, Illinois, Wisconsin, Michigan, those areas, and then the population migration into the American Southwest, American Southeast and Pacific Northwest. And certainly, I think what the bridge is and make it helpful for everybody, we’ve kind of gone from a mid-single digit to a low-single digit view to municipal spending, kind of based on what we saw over the last two quarters. We believe there to be a fair deal of pent up project demand and a fair deal of pent up construction demand as well. And I am not calling it labor, but we didn’t have as bigger recovery in Q4 in project and resi construction and contract work that we anticipated. And the most common discussion we had with the contractor community was certainly around availability of labor and whether this economy is at full employment or not, and the labor that’s coming in whether they’re qualified to do the work or not. So if we’re really at this 3% is their more capacity for construction to go on. And so we’ve tempered our outlook as everybody seen in our guidance to the low-single digit municipal growth and low-single digit residential growth. And I think the primary driver we should take from that is a contract labor availability. I don’t know if that helps our answers your question, but that’s kind of what our big driver was.

It does, and thanks for the color.

Thank you.

Thank you. And the next question comes from Bryan Blair with Oppenheimer. You may go ahead.

Good morning, everyone. Thanks for taking my questions.

Good morning, Bryan.

A quick follow-up on Centrex, its good to hear that reception has been favorable so far. I was just wondering whether you believe the platform could drive accelerated adoption of smart water technologies during fiscal 2020, 2021 timeframe or if that’s a longer-term consideration.

Well, I think it’s – I think it will help drive the adoption of smart water absolutely. But I think the pace of adoption is something that everybody in the industry is rightfully skeptical. And so we’re not hanging our 2021 or 2022 results on that. But what we do believe and believe strongly is that regardless of its early adoption, it should help us with valves, hydrants, brass, and our core products as customers needs smart ready equipment to be installed. And whether it’s an existing Centurion that you can convert later to a smart hydrant. We believe it will help both our spec position and allow us to grow our share in our core products. So in to the extent that it’s an enabler of improving, let’s call it our number one market position, I think is of paramount importance. In addition, it’s an easy gateway for anybody who’s already using our meter system to go into leak detection and pressure monitoring, or conversely, if you’re using our pressure monitoring and leak detection, you can easily transition to a more flow metering, technologies, because you don’t need an incremental software investment. And we believe we’re the only ones now with a single user interface that can look after all of the layered needs. And we anticipate that it will drive growth for us, certainly beyond 2021 and 2022 as more smart water gets adopted.

Yes, that’s very helpful color. And you quickly mentions leak detection there, what was Echologics performance in the quarter, that growth is down.

Echologics had – as we said in the prepared comments, have their the largest quarter of the year and then it represented almost half their sales for the year. And that was primarily due to shipping the EchoShore-DX is, as I had said on an earlier call, Bryan jog everybody’s memory. We had gotten a large follow on order to the original order for San Jose and those nodes all shipped in the fourth quarter. And so that was what really drove them to profitability and drove them to having such a large quarter. They were the bulk of the technology’s growth in the quarter.

Got it, okay. And then a quick one on capital deployment, obviously organic investment is a top priority, but any updates on your deal funnel and how were you thinking about M&A versus share buybacks in the current environment?

Well, as I said, many times we have, I think we’ve demonstrated, we’ve been very balanced in our capital allocation process and that share buybacks and dividends represented about a third of our cash utilization in the three categories, and acquisitions was about a third and CapEx was about a third. And so I think that you can expect that to come from us in the future. As for deal funnel, it’s a – let’s call it a fulsome funnel, with ad-ons that would expand our influence with existing channel partners and expand our product presence with the existing customers. And then there’s the ones that will enable us a geographic expansion and the ones that will enable technology adoption or sensors and things like that, that, that could be deployed more rapidly. So those are the three main areas. We have a fulsome deal and we still feel we have a lot of capacity, but as always, we’re going to be very disciplined about how we do it.

Okay. Thanks again.

Thank you.

Thank you. The next question comes from Ryan Connors with Boenning & Scattergood. You may go ahead.

Great. Thank you. Wanted to go back to this topic of technology, you mentioned Scott, the Echologics shipping a lot of orders in the fourth quarter. It’s the second straight year where we’ve had this pattern where technologies loses money in the first three quarters and then breaks even or better in the fourth quarter. Is that kind of a pattern and we should see that revert in the coming fiscal year where technologies we kind of lapsed back down and then ship a lot late in the year? Or is this – or do you feel like we’re at a point where maybe we can take the momentum in the fourth quarter here and build in and start to see some more consistent profitability there?

Thanks for that. It’s something that I was toyed with getting involved within the prepared comments, but so thanks for the question Ryan. But yes, I think that we’ve had the phenomena when you think about July, August, September, being that the heaviest construction season, it’s when the North can accept meter installs along with the South. And so it’s peak for the meter business, peak demand season. And so that’s we’ve seen that for the last three years actually work you for is the biggest quarter. But what I’m more proud of and wanted to talk more about is, the business lost $7-ish million two years ago, lost $7-ish million last year. It’s going to lose $800,000. I think the aid adjusted EBITDA full year. I expect that business to get better every and every year. I expect continuous improvement to me just that, I think I was asked when I first got here, will it be fixed overnight. We went and we looked at operations, we looked at contracts, we looked at our product offering, and we got to work on the hard work of making that business better, not just in the short-term by removing all the engineering costs or something like that. But by structurally changing how we make things, relaying out plans, being more disciplined about what contracts we would take, being more disciplined around price, and I think we’ve been rewarded with near breakeven this year. And so I expect that business to continue to get better from an operating point of view, from a price discipline point of view and from a growth point of view. And so I’m not ready to call success yet, but I do think you will continue to see that July, August, September quarter be the largest quarter, when the weather is conducive to doing a lot of meter install. And I do think you should expect that investors for that business to have continuous improvements in its operating results, even modest growth expectations.

Got it, okay. Now just to be clear, the Centrex product, I know you mentioned the side benefit of helping you to market your core products as well, but the extent you realize actual sales for the Centrex that does go into technologies, correct?

It will go into technologies. Yes. It’ll be in the technology. It’ll be a replacement for the my host revenues, yes.

Got it, okay. And then my only other question was bigger picture in nature, but to just wanted to get your thoughts with the macro uncertainty, just get your thoughts on the cyclicality of the business in general. I know in the last recession the business was hit very hard, but there – but it’s a much different business today. For one thing, we don’t have U.S. pipe, which was a big challenge in the last recession other things like technology. So can you just give us your thoughts about how you think the portfolio business will behave in a hypothetical scenario of a recession and maybe a fairly severe recession? I mean, where do you think that puts and takes are in terms of the beta of the business, so to speak?

Yes, I think without getting too heavy into the speculatory nature of that, I think that we can look back to the 2008 timeframe and point out that when it went down the last time, it was a very different kind of recession, was really in Mueller’s power alley in that housing was $2.1 million housing starts it basically fell to zero. I think it got down to $400,000, but as for any new curb and sewer going in, which would use our products if it was effectively zero. And so I don’t think unless we have another housing crisis leading us in. I don’t think it will be anywhere near that severe. And in fact, I’ve done some research that would indicate that municipalities increased spending during periods of economic downturn. And so I would expect the municipal part of the business to remain healthy. I don’t know how you feel, but it’s hard for me to imagine interest rates getting much lower if we were to go recession. So I don’t know what levers are left, to stimulate the economy if we were to go into a recession. So I think that short answer to your question is I think we will continue to be cash generative, even through a downturn. I think there’s enough room in inventories. I think if you had contracting sales, you could go to shorter work weeks, that kind of thing that, that while we may not be at a 22% or 23% EBITDA margin. We would see our conversions improved, because we would take steps to remove some of the variable portions of our costs, not just labor, but inventories building utilities some of the step fixed that are implied in our overheads too. So I would expect this to be cash generative and I already expect us to be positive within that kind of first 10% earnings positive within that first 10% of volume decrease.

Got it, okay. That’s very helpful. Thanks for your time.

Thank you.

Thank you. The next question comes from Andrew Buscaglia with Berenberg. You may go ahead.

Hey guys, just wanted to touch on that SG&A guidance, 19% to 20% of sales. Just trying to figure out why exactly wouldn’t that start to decline and infrastructure as you anniversary crowds, especially with you’ve invested in a lot of things over the last couple of years. You would think that, that, that you’d start to see some of the benefits of that flow through, at least towards the back half of this year.

But yes, when we look at our SG&A, I think a couple of things. First of all, we called out Krausz just with their split does have a bit higher SG&A that we’ve seen, which is certainly a factor, but I think additionally as we look out to 2020, component of it is certainly going to be some of the inflation expectations that we have around that. We also talked about the addition of engineering talent, et cetera, as we go forward. And I think that will be one of the other reasons that you see some higher – slightly higher expectations around SG&A as a percent of net sales.

Okay, okay. And then as the quarter went on, we thought some better headlines on housing, did your sales pick up or did you see improvement as you exited the quarter?

Yes, I think the answer to that is no. I think that we saw most of the destocking and certainly the collapse of the Canadian demand profile happened late in the quarter. When we – I think at the end of the third quarter, I said, we would be at the low end at $7 million to $9 million. And I think, everybody can do the math, so I’ll just get straight to it. It was about $13 million of demand that we anticipated that would come from a more rapid recovery and resi construction than we saw. So yes, the quarter will show resi construction up, but after being down the previous two quarters, we expected the recovery to be a bit stronger than it was. And then on top of that, we saw meaningful demand decay in Canada. So those were the two reasons we did not get the recovery we expected when we said, lower end of $7 million to $9 million, roughly $13 million. So we didn’t see it pick up enough. We expected, if you recall the last quarter, we expected resi to pick up in Q4. So it wasn’t a surprise to us that it actually grew, but it didn’t grow anywhere near as much as we thought. I’ll remind everybody, if you think about how we started the year, we started talking about 1.2 million, 1.3 million housing starts. And we’re going to be substantially below that when this is all set and done.

All right. Yes. And Scott, you thought you had positive or the more positive around this Technologies business and then what the customers are saying about Echologics. Can you talk a little bit about, first off, are you contemplating anything – any sort of growth there in your guidance and any expectations for, if we start to see adoption, how fast that can pick up or – and I’m trying to gauge, what sort of upside we have here to the sales guidance you provided.

Yes. I think our long-term view for Technologies is that it will grow much faster than infrastructures over the long haul. And our shorter term view is, we’re cautiously optimistic. But we could absolutely scale the Technologies business more than and quicker than I think a lot of people think. We have the ability to cast all of the DXs, we are now going to be live in Cleveland, North Carolina with the assembly of all the DXs. We will be able to do all our own assembly potting, testing, shipping and we have lots of capacity there. We are trying to build with American Water, with East Bay Mud, with San Jose, with our core customers. Testimonial if you will to how the technology is helping them decrease their operating budgets and go utility by utility, so they can understand how they too can adopt the locating technology and have it turn into tangible operating results for them. So people buying into that message, delivering that message, the selling proposition. I think it’s going to take more time than just the next 12 months. But in the long run, we expect that to the far outstrip the growth in our infrastructure business, which will be kind of as I’ve said many times GDP-ish, plus 100 basis points, 150 basis points. That’s what the infrastructure reinvestment profile is going to look like. Technology on the other hand is going to grow double digits in the long run.

All right. All right. Thanks guys.

Thank you. The next question comes from Brent Thielman with D.A. Davidson. You may go ahead.

Great, thanks. Good morning.

Good morning.

The muni spending outlook for next year, I mean, it seems like a safe bet to me. I guess, I’m curious, if there’s any areas within that market that could be more influenced or you’ve seen more influenced in an election year. I guess, I’m thinking more of your kind of specialty ballots attached to larger CapEx projects or something like that.

Yes, absolutely. Look, I think that the fundamentals are that, I think people had talked in terms of mid single digits for that market. And I understand there are people out there that are saying, well, no, no, he’s wrong. It shouldn’t be still mid single digits. And I understand that. All we’re saying is, I don’t know what the capacity, certainly the demand is there. So it certainly the need is there, the fundamentals, the cost of money, all of those things are there. But they were there in the fourth quarter and the third quarter as well and we didn’t see as much growth as we anticipated. And I think that labor is playing a part, I don’t want to lay it all at that, but certainly the capacity exists. And if the money and labor capacity existed, then we would see better than low single digit growth in muni. And yes, an election year could spur even more spending and that could be a larger growth number. I’m saying this for everybody on the call, because basically we were [indiscernible] why the growth was – what it was in Q4, even with destocking.

Yes. I appreciate that, Scott. And I guess another question, with the channel inventory reductions in the September quarter. Would you anticipate seeing the same sort of seasonal or typical seasonal sequential reduction in sales that you typically see in the December quarter? Do you think that maybe less pronounced than what you see historically?

I think it’s going to be less pronounced, because we have it from – on good authority from our top customers that they finished September at 24 in some cases, even more than 24 month inventory low. So they were kind of getting their inventory for a slower growth environment is how it was put. And so I think that, yes, you normally see a dip, but September inventories were lower than they were in December of last year. And so, I don’t think we’ll see the normal dip. I think we’ve taken most of the inventory punishment in the fourth quarter – our fiscal fourth quarter.

Okay. And then couple of quick, I guess, one, what percentage is Canada now as a percentage of the business. And then I guess, Martie, I think sort of CapEx expectation for next year. Just wondering if there’s anything unusual to think about, in terms of working capital or anything like that, if you think about free cash for fiscal 2020.

Yes. So certainly, first of all, addressing Canada overall. I think one of the points that we talked about is we’d seen Canada down throughout the year, but I think the – certainly the magnitude of the decline in the fourth quarter was greater than what we’d see in earlier. I mean, I think historically we’ve seen Canada run like sort of 8% to 9% of our sales and so we would expect it to probably decline a little bit from that perspective. Sorry. Right, your second question was in and around free cash flow or…

Yes. I mean, anything unusual, I mean beyond the CapEx numbers you gave, anything unusual you’d expect to see that we don’t typically see and working capital…

Yes. Probably just a couple things, let me call out with respect of what we did see in free cash flow in 2019 and then I’ll give you just a reminder as we look out to 2020. First of all, I think certainly one of – probably the two things that impacted most of free cash flow in 2019 was the higher level of capital expenditures that you – we were about $31 million higher in our CapEx spending in 2019 versus 2018. Additionally, when we look at our cash flow from operations, there was a difference in timing of payments and the two that I would particularly call out, where the cash interest payments that we had in 2019 versus 2018, as well as the cash interest. And those were certainly higher in 2019 than 2018, which impacted our cash flow from operations. Additionally, I will just remind you, as we look out to 2020, going back to the update that we provided on the Walter Energy tax accrual, if we get the acceptance and final resolution from the bankruptcy court, we would expect to make our cash payment or Walter tax in our fiscal 2020.

Is it too early to say what quarter you’d see that?

Again, it’s – I would, with no promises in and around outcome, certainly are timing. Our expectation is that we could get this result by the end of calendar 2019 and that’s certainly going to be dependent at this point upon the approval from the bankruptcy court.

Okay. And then just my last quick question that notwithstanding water’s in the name. But you share a lot about reinvestment by utilities into natural gas infrastructure systems, safety, reliability upgrades, things like that. I know it’s not a huge business, relatively [indiscernible] but is it an area that you’d look to invest in growing?

Yes, absolutely. I mean, our natural gas business has been a great little business for a couple of years now. And it continues to grow and it continues to expand margins and it continues to be very reliable. And I think the huge difference between the two spaces is that, if a gas utility says, they’re going to do this line modernization or they’re going to do these fitting upgrades, because they’ve reached their end of life, it happens. Because I think the consequence of or maintenance of a natural gas line is obviously much more catastrophic than the poor maintenance of a water line, where people will get wet. And so, yes, I think it’s an area, where we can continue to grow our influence, continue to do the new product things we talk about and continue to take share in the space, we would look at expanding the line and look at doing other investments there.

Thank you.

Thank you. The next question comes from Joe Giordano with Cowen. You may go ahead.

Hey, guys. Good morning.

Good morning, Joe.

Good morning.

I wanted to start with cash and start down a little bit there. Just quick clarification, there is pretty big D&A step up in 2020 versus like the run rate we’ve been on. Is that just from the CapEx spending elevated?

Exactly. If you look back on our 2019 versus 2018, depreciation and amortization was up probably about a $9 million or so. And certainly, as we look out to 2020 with a higher level of capital expenditures that we had in 2019. I’ll additionally remind you that we had the acquisition of Krausz, which has added probably very little bit from a depreciation perspective, but also the amortization that we have associated with Krausz expectations, when you put the higher level of CapEx and coming from Krausz. We would – we do expect our depreciation and amortization to increase again in that $60 million to $63 million range for 2020.

Okay. So we talked about, going down to 2023 below 4% of sales. I mean, the midpoint of guide is about 9% right now for 2020. How many years that down and how should we think about free cash flow conversion in 2020 and then over the next couple of years. Are we looking at like meaningfully below adjusted EPS for a couple of years just given the CapEx dynamic?

I think overall, we’ve got the expectation for capital expenditures in and around 2020. And I think certainly given the guidance that expectations for an elevated level with some of the projects that we specifically called out the large casting foundry, which is close to completion at this point. Certainly, the Kimball, Tennessee facility, that will be ramping up. And then the new brass foundry that has just begun in Decatur, Illinois. So those are sort of the three big ones that we’ve addressed as well as we have a system upgrade going on. Don’t have an exact schedule for you in terms of sort of percentage between 2020 and 2023, other than to say as we sort of look out as at what we see with some of the modernization of our facilities, as well as probably a little bit of lower spending levels, historically, through the recession that we feel comfortable, we will be back below that 4% level by 2023.

Okay. And then, Scott, if you talk about the guide in terms of the resi construction. So than this 4Q versus like your full year revenue and EBITDA, you talked about the lower – slow recovery and resi construction. If I just look at the raw data here, like September construction was kind of at the level of the full year average so far, pricing looks weak or is deteriorating. So like if it didn’t recover in here, why do we – what gives you confidence that it’s going to start to accelerate as we move forward?

I’m not sure I agree with your first one. I think the September data would indicate that there was a little bit of growth in Q4, I think somewhere around 2%, whereas, in single family last 12 months has shrunk 3.1. So about 500 basis points swing is kind of where we are. I think that weather played a part of that in Q2. So that’s – that may spring construction season and it was particularly bad in the areas where we’ve seen population migration, especially in the Nashville, Texas, Arizona those corridors where there’s been a lot of the housing starts coming from. And so I think that the – when you kind of peel back the onion on the data, family formations, low interest rates, housing inventory, lot inventories all give me confidence that notwithstanding some economic discontinuity that there is pent up demand there. And we saw that in the fourth quarter, actually, the September quarter, recovering a little bit and getting back to growth after being in a contraction environment. So I think that, this cautious optimism of going from the mid single digit or in some cases as high as 9%, I think the elements up there, really high. We have opted to be kind of in a low single digit kind of view. And that’s how we based our guidance. And we entered 2019 with more lots that needed to be worked. So I think we’ll enter 2020, we have better fundamentals to start than we did at the beginning of 2019. But with that said, Joe, I’m not going to sit here and argue with you on, what about this labor capacity thing, maybe you can’t even grow again, where are we with the employment thing. And I’m sure you listened to all of the home builders as well and that’s a concern of theirs is their capacity.

Yes. That’s fair. Maybe last for me, I think you kind of talked about this a little bit earlier, but can you kind of take me through your pitch on this smart infrastructure monitoring versus some of like the bigger players in the space that maybe had a more comprehensive wastewater and like metering offerings and you guys have currently. So like what you’re competing against that and what do you bring to people that they can, how do you pitching that?

Yes. I think what everybody’s doing is that they have great information for the water utilities at the treatment station, at the pumping station, at the fixed asset building, brick and mortar, whether they’re using SCADA or pump diametric. We are the only people that are actually forward deployed that can look at the chemistry and look at the physical nature of the infrastructure to the home. And we can test the quality of the drinking water. What’s its turbidity, what’s its alkalinity, what’s its chlorinity we can look at the pressures, we can tell if you’re leaking, we can basically give you eyes on your distribution network. And it’s becoming more and more important, because unlike anybody else, everybody can tell you what the source at the pumping station, what the water looks like. But as we know in Flint and as we know in Mount Pleasant, Michigan and as we’re learning in Montreal, and as we’re learning in Connecticut. The quality of the water that leaves the pumping station isn’t necessarily what’s getting delivered to the consumer. And these periodic checks in the network, where the contaminants are being picked up is going to be a paramount importance. And right now, we are the only people that have both the infrastructure through the hydrant network, the ability to retrofit and the ability to sense all of those different things and do something about it. We kind of joked about the – I’m only here to monitor, but we can actually flush. We can actually reroute water, we can actually actuate. So I think that we have a series of solutions available to utilities that no one else can replicate.

Great. Thanks, guys.

Thank you.

Thank you. Our next question comes from Jose Garza with Gabelli Asset Management. You may go ahead.

And operator, I think this will be our final question. Thank you. Go ahead, Jose. Good to talk.

Yes, thanks for fitting me in. Scott, just how are you – looking a year forward, how are you going to measure some of the newer products that you talked about and I guess measure the success of those over the next coming year. And then maybe looking out and how should we measure that same success.

Yes. I think that’s a fair question. As far as the obvious ones are, how many dollars of sales do they generate? But we’d also want to look at field trials conducted. We’ll want to look at specifications. It’s been accepted in, want to look at number of the breadth of its entrance. So if we knock down a city of New York and then we don’t have acceptance anywhere else. That won’t be as good as getting broad-based acceptance across many, many customers, because we know from our experience in hydrants and gate valves that broad acceptance is what drives. More spec position, which is what drives much more dependable demand profile. So that’s how we think about it. We understand that the purchasing cycle for a lot of these new products, many times involves a 12 or even 18 months field trial period. And so we know that we’re making investments in products that may only start to actually pay for themselves in year two, three and beyond. And so it’s not the only thing we will look at, but it will be the thing that we point to over time.

Okay. Fair enough. And then just one last one, I guess, just on all of the – all the capital projects you’ve got going on. Just kind of remind us timing wise, what’s – what that kind of looks like? And I guess, using Chattanooga, as the most on, I guess, near completion.

Yes. So Chattanooga, as Martie’s told you is very near completion. We expect to be kind of run at rate in calendar Q1 of 2020, near the end of it. We’re in our reproduction testing modes right now. We’re qualifying molds, whoring test metal. So we’re very near ready to go on there. Decatur because it is a Greenfield and going to be a new facility is going to be a much longer investment cycle, we don’t expect really to be run at right there until 2022 late or early 2023. And this – the Kimball facility, we just purchased, we expect the Hammond facility to be completely shuttered by November of 2020. We expect to be making gates and assembling large body castings in the second half of 2020 calendar. So those are kind of the big three, the large casting foundry, the Kimball plant opening and the Decatur facility. So they have various kind of go lives.

Okay, perfect. Thanks, guys.

Thank you. Operator, I think that, we’re well past the hour and I would like to thank everybody for joining us and look forward to talking to you soon.

Thank you. And that does conclude today’s conference. Thank you all for participating. You may now disconnect.