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National Fuel Gas Company (NFG)

Q4 2013 Earnings Call· Fri, Nov 8, 2013

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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Fourth Quarter 2013 National Fuel Gas Company Earnings Conference Call. My name is Dave, I'll be your operator for today. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, the call is being recorded for replay purposes. I'd now like to turn the call over to Mr. Tim Silverstein, Director of Investor Relations. Please proceed, sir.

Timothy Silverstein

Analyst

Thank you, Dave, and good morning. We appreciate you joining us on today's conference call for a discussion of last evening's earnings release. With us on the call from National Fuel Gas Company are Ron Tanski, President and Chief Executive Officer; Dave Bauer, Treasurer and Principal Financial Officer; and Matt Cabell, President of Seneca Resources Corporation. At the end of the prepared remarks, we will open the discussion to questions. This morning we posted a new slide deck to our Investor Relations website. We may refer to it during today's call. We would like to remind you that today's teleconference will contain forward-looking statements. While National Fuel's expectations, beliefs and projections are made in good faith and are believed to have a reasonable basis, actual results may differ materially. These statements speak only as of the date on which they are made, and you may refer to last evening's earnings release for a listing of certain specific risk factors. I would also like to mention that our Analyst Day in New York City is Tuesday, November 19. If you are a member of the investment community and would like to attend but have not yet registered, please contact me directly. For those of you attending, we look forward to seeing you at the event. With that, we will begin with Ron Tanski.

Ronald J. Tanski

Analyst

Thanks, Tim, and good morning, everyone. Our fourth quarter topped off a really good fiscal year. Our year-over-year earnings improved in each of our reporting segments, but it was our upstream and midstream businesses that led the way. Our operating results for the year of $3.14 per share, are only $0.03 shy of our record operating results of $3.17 per share that we achieved in fiscal 2008. Given that our realized price for our natural gas production in 2008 was $9.05 per Mcf compared to the $4.10 per MCF that we realized for our production this year, I'd say our team did a great job. While we had good financial results for fiscal 2013, I'm particularly happy with our operational results. At Seneca Resources, production for the year, at 120.7 billion cubic feet equivalent, was 45% higher than last year. During the fourth quarter, Seneca's average daily natural gas production was over 314 million cubic feet per day and oil production averaged approximately 7,800 barrels per day. In addition to increasing its production, Seneca also increased its proven reserve base by 24% to a total of 1.5 trillion cubic feet equivalent. More importantly, we've had some great exploration results in our Western development area that give us plenty of running room in our Exploration and Production segment for the foreseeable future. As production in the Marcellus continues to grow, our midstream pipeline companies continue to design and build the compressors and pipelines to get that production to market. Projects like our Northern Access and Line N pipelines, that were placed into service at the beginning of the fiscal year, helped to drive the 32% increase in year-over-year operating results in the Pipeline and Storage segment. Our engineering and marketing teams are continuously looking at new opportunities to grow this segment.…

Matthew D. Cabell

Analyst

Thanks, Ron, and good morning, everyone. Seneca had another good quarter to top off an outstanding fiscal year. Production was up 35% quarter-over-quarter and 45% year-over-year. We replaced 351% of production in fiscal '13 at a cost of $1.31 per Mcfe. Marcellus Shale F&D was $0.99 per Mcfe and year-end proved reserves were 1.55 trillion cubic feet equivalent, 71% of which is developed. In California, oil production was up versus last year's fourth quarter while gas production was down due to third-party gas pipeline takeaway issues affecting our CESP field. Overall, California production was flat with fourth quarter 2012 and down 2% for the full fiscal year. At Coalinga, we've increased gross production to 530 barrels of oil per day as we brought on 8 new producing wells and reactivated half of the idle legacy wells. 4 additional new producers will come online this quarter. Initial core results from the new wells we drilled at Coalinga confirm a significant volume of oil in the reservoir. So far, this farm-in project is working well for us and we expect to continue to grow Coalinga production in 2014. Also in California, our South Lost Hills horizontal Monterey Shale well is producing 35 barrels of oil per day and 1.1 million cubic feet of gas. Our estimated ultimate recovery for this well is 2.7 Bcfe, a little better than anticipated. However, the oil cut is lower than expected which drives the rate of return down to the 10% to 15% range. We have 2 additional South Lost Hills horizontals planned for fiscal 2014 which will test different intervals in the Monterey in a different part of the South Lost Hills structure where we anticipate a higher oil cut. Moving on to the Marcellus. We brought on new 5-well pad, Pad E, at Tract…

David P. Bauer

Analyst

Thank you, Matt, and good morning, everyone. As Ron said, the fourth quarter capped another great fiscal year for National Fuel. Yesterday's release does a good job explaining the major variances in earnings for the quarter. So I won't repeat them again here. The only unusual item in the quarter was the charge we recorded in connection with our utilities rate proceeding in New York. Confidential settlement negotiations with parties to the case are ongoing and, therefore, we really can't say anything more about it. However, we are making progress and hope to reach a settlement in the near future. Excluding that charge, earnings for the fiscal year were $3.14, a bit higher than the high end of the range of our $3 to $3.10 guidance for the year. 2 factors contributed to that outperformance. First, at the Utility, our September 30 accounts receivable aging was better than we had expected, so we were able to reverse about $5 million of the bad debt expense we had recorded earlier in the year. And you should note that there was a similar size adjustment to bad debts in last year's fourth quarter, which is why this item doesn't appear as an earnings variance in yesterday's release. Second, our effective income tax rate for the quarter of 37% was about 400 basis points lower than the rate we expected for the quarter. And as you can imagine, there are a lot of moving parts in our tax calculations. And most of the difference is attributable to the timing with which certain items were reflected across the fiscal year. Looking forward, we still expect our 2014 effective tax rate will be in the range of 40% to 41%. As you noted in last night's release, we made a change to our segment reporting.…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] This comes from Stephen Maresa at Morgan Stanley.

Stephen J. Maresca - Morgan Stanley, Research Division

Analyst

I just -- I had 2 questions, one on the MP and one on midstream. Just on the MP front, just wanted to drill a bit more into what is driving the continued higher production forecast at Seneca. And maybe you can discuss just exactly where you've been the most positively surprised. What do you think is the potential for your wells to continue to surpass guidance expectations? And as a subset to that, you talked a little bit about your views on basis, how much more takeaway capacity do you think you need to continue to grow at this pace at Seneca?

Matthew D. Cabell

Analyst

Stephen, there are a lot of questions in there. I guess I'll start with how we're increasing our production guidance. I would say there are really 3 things. One, our view of the base production decline has changed some. So our assumption for that rate of decline is not as steep as it had been. Secondly, these Lycoming County wells -- well, I guess, we're to the point where they're not surprising to us anymore. We're actually starting to forecast them at rates that are similar to how they've actually been performing. It was kind of tough to do that when they've been coming in at such high rates. And I guess the third is our operational efficiencies are allowing us to get more wells online in a given time period than we had previously. With regard to takeaway capacity, when we think about takeaway capacity in terms of, say, firm transportation projects, we're thinking very long-term here. So the projects we're looking at that would get us to some other markets are -- they're over a spread of years from shorter-term projects that are just maybe 1 year to 1.5 years away to things that don't start until 2017 or later. But it's a big number.

Stephen J. Maresca - Morgan Stanley, Research Division

Analyst

Okay. And then just moving to midstream, with it continuing to become more of a meaningful part of the company, given your well locations and third-party opportunities and a little bit of outspending now -- 2 questions on this. One, how receptive are you seeing third-party customers using NFG Midstream, what's the view of even maybe overall CapEx opportunity? And then what prevents you from creating an MLP vehicle sooner rather than later to help compete in this arena?

Ronald J. Tanski

Analyst

Steve, with respect to the third-party production, and as we had laid out before, and then you can see the maps in the materials that we filed, most of the acreage for -- with the third-party drilling or third-party potential is in the dry gas window. And as you know, people had shied away from drilling in that window, favoring the more liquids-rich areas to the Southwest and even in the Utica. So while we have had discussions, it's been tough to get anyone to sign some actual contracts for takeaway capacity because they've just moved rigs out of the dry gas window. Given that, and looking at our cash flow, as Dave mentioned, we only see a modest outspend right now. And as I mentioned on the last quarter's call, we're going to need to move into larger capital needs before we look to an MLP for growth capital there. And we're just comfortable with our spending now given the fuzziness on the horizon, of basis and commodity pricing.

Operator

Operator

And your next question comes from the line of Carl Kirst at BMO Capital.

Danilo Juvane

Analyst

This is Danilo, filling in for Carl. I just wanted to go back a little bit to the Marcellus production. If you're sort of seeing takeaway capacity, a strong takeaway capacity in 2017 timeframe, how confident then are you in the guidance for next year? I mean, are you still seeing that that's -- do you have high conviction that you're going to achieve that guidance range?

Matthew D. Cabell

Analyst

Danilo, are you asking about the breach in the 145 Bcfe to 165 Bcfe that we have in our guidance?

Danilo Juvane

Analyst

Exactly, in light of the basis issues that you sort of spoke about and takeaway capacity issues as well.

Matthew D. Cabell

Analyst

Yes. I guess the way to look at it is, our existing firm sales get us in the range of 125, 130 Bcf. If we curtailed all of our spot sales, we'd still be in that kind of a range. And today, we're not curtailed at all because the spot basis is acceptable. I think there's still some uncertainty to it. But we feel pretty confident that with the new projects that have come online, at least through the winter months, we should be able to produce at our full capacity. And likely through the entire year, most of the time, we'll be able to produce at full capacity.

Danilo Juvane

Analyst

Okay. And I guess moving on to the Utica. Are the next data points there going to be available? You said, I think, late fiscal '14 and early '15 or is there something that we can expect sooner?

Matthew D. Cabell

Analyst

No. In fact, I wouldn't even expect it late '14. I think what I said was we plan to drill additional wells in late '14 to early '15. We want to get some more production history from the existing 2 wells and sort of think through what we want to do next. So if we were to spot a well, say, fourth quarter of '14, by the time we've got it drilled, frac-ed and tested, we're looking at sometime in '15.

Danilo Juvane

Analyst

Okay, got you. And I guess my last question is on the LDC. Obviously, you can't speak a lot about the rate proceedings there, but are you expecting significant headwinds or what is the status update on that front?

David P. Bauer

Analyst

Danilo, this is Dave. There's really not a lot we can say. We're literally in settlement discussions today. So I wouldn't want to comment too much on that.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Becca Followill at U.S. Capital Advisors.

Rebecca Followill - U.S. Capital Advisors LLC, Research Division

Analyst

On the comments, Matt, on maybe 2,000 I think it was, potential locations in Elk and Cameron County, at what prices do you need to make those economic?

Matthew D. Cabell

Analyst

It varies, but the cutoff for what we're using to count those well locations is $4. $4 realized pricing.

Rebecca Followill - U.S. Capital Advisors LLC, Research Division

Analyst

$4 realized, okay.

Matthew D. Cabell

Analyst

So it's going to vary from, say, sort of the low to mid $3 up to -- pushing close to $4.

Ronald J. Tanski

Analyst

And you'll get some more detail on that in the Analyst Day presentation.

Rebecca Followill - U.S. Capital Advisors LLC, Research Division

Analyst

Great. And then, what are you assuming for California oil differentials in your guidance?

David P. Bauer

Analyst

Becca, I think, the best way to look at it would be Brent -- say, 90% of Brent is generally how we [indiscernible].

Rebecca Followill - U.S. Capital Advisors LLC, Research Division

Analyst

Okay. You're assuming roughly that's the basis differentials that we're seeing now?

David P. Bauer

Analyst

Yes. I think that's right.

Rebecca Followill - U.S. Capital Advisors LLC, Research Division

Analyst

Okay. And then, Matt, you also commented that the base decline -- a further reason for the higher production guidance was a lower base decline that you're seeing. Any idea of whether or not you guys might update some of your estimates of ultimate recovery at this upcoming analyst meeting as a result of the lower base declines?

Matthew D. Cabell

Analyst

We tend to update them every time we do a new slide deck and there's a table in there that shows EURs at Covington, 595 and Tract 100. And that EUR number, it's -- it may not look like a big change to you if you look at it, but it has changed for all -- I think, for all 3 of those areas over the course of the last 12 months or so. I couldn't tell you for sure whether you'll see a change between now and Analyst Day or not.

Rebecca Followill - U.S. Capital Advisors LLC, Research Division

Analyst

So that shows up in the November presentation that you posted.

Matthew D. Cabell

Analyst

It should, yes.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from the line of Timm Schneider at ISI.

Timm A. Schneider - ISI Group Inc., Research Division

Analyst

Can you do me a favor and maybe reconcile that net wellhead price that Becca just asked about, to what else do I need to add in there in terms of kind of gathering and transport cost basis, to kind of get to NYMEX equivalent?

Matthew D. Cabell

Analyst

So you mean for that $4 and lower pricing of the...

Timm A. Schneider - ISI Group Inc., Research Division

Analyst

Yes, exactly. The potential.

Matthew D. Cabell

Analyst

Well, I guess, part of the reason we're doing it on realized pricing is it gives you the ability to use your own assumption for basis differentials. I guess, what I'd tell you is, right now, we're seeing Dominion South Point in the -- what do we say? $0.30 to $0.40 range. So that gives you some sense of what to expect. That's probably about all the information we're ready to disclose.

David P. Bauer

Analyst

Yes. Tim, I think I'd add to that, that gathering would already be reflected in the economics. So the $4, you'd only have to consider basis to NYMEX, not any gathering charges.

Timm A. Schneider - ISI Group Inc., Research Division

Analyst

Got it. What about long-haul transporting, if you're in the pipeline, is that -- do you guys throw it in under gathering?

David P. Bauer

Analyst

Well, I guess it depends how you look at it. If we were to take transportation ourselves, you'd have to consider that as part of the basis. Or if we use firm sales, obviously, we'd be doing it at, likely at a discount.

Timm A. Schneider - ISI Group Inc., Research Division

Analyst

Got it. And then just real quick on the East, that's $0.75 basis assumption, are most of your volumes being priced off Leidy or are they going anywhere else?

Matthew D. Cabell

Analyst

The majority would be essentially Leidy pricing, yes.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. There are no further questions for you. So I'd now like to turn the call back to Mr. Tim Silverstein for closing remarks.

Timothy Silverstein

Analyst

Thank you, Dave. We'd like to thank everyone for taking the time to be with us today. A replay of this call will be available at approximately 2:00 p.m. Eastern Time on both our website and by telephone and will run through the close of business on Friday, November 15, 2013. To access the replay online, visit our Investor Relations website at investor.nationalfuelgas.com. And to access by telephone, call 1 (888) 286-8010 and enter passcode 23666033. This concludes our conference call for today. Thank you and goodbye.

Operator

Operator

Thank you very much for your participation in today's conference. This concludes the presentation. You may now disconnect. Have a good day and a great weekend.