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Q4 2013 Earnings Call· Tue, Jan 28, 2014

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Operator

Operator

Good day, and welcome to the Olin Corporation Fourth Quarter 2013 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Mr. Joseph Rupp, Chairman, President and CEO of the Olin Corporation. Mr. Rupp, the floor is yours, sir.

Joseph D. Rupp

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities

Good morning, and thank you for joining us today. With me this morning is John Fischer, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer; John McIntosh, Senior Vice President of Operations; and Larry Kromidas, our Assistant Treasurer and Director of Investor Relations. Last night, we announced that net income in the fourth quarter of 2013 was $24.7 million or $0.31 per diluted share, which compares to $34.6 million or $0.43 per diluted share in the fourth quarter of 2012. Sales in the fourth quarter of 2013 were $562 million compared to $587.6 million in the fourth quarter of 2012. During 2013, Olin achieved $424.6 million of adjusted EBITDA, which is the highest in the history of the company. The record adjusted EBITDA was driven by record results in the Winchester business, which more than offset weaker year-over-year results in our Chlor Alkali business. In addition, during 2013, we increased our cash position by $143 million and repurchased approximately 1.5 million shares of our stock. Fourth quarter 2013 results in both Chlor Alkali and Winchester exceeded our expectations as better than expected demand resulted in higher product shipments. The fourth quarter 2013 Chlor Alkali operating rate was 81%, which compares favorably to the fourth quarter 2012 operating rate of 76%. The favorable Chlor Alkali and Winchester results were partially offset by higher than expected stock-based compensation costs, reflecting a $4.6 million unfavorable mark-to-market adjustment, and higher legal and legal-related settlement costs. The fourth quarter 2013 results included $6.5 million pretax gain associated with the sale of a joint venture interest, $4 million of favorable tax adjustments and $1.4 million of pretax restructuring charges. As Olin enters 2014, we believe we can generate adjusted EBITDA in the $375 million to $425 million range. This range reflects the view consistent with prior surges at…

John E. Fischer

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities

Thank you, Joe. First, I'd like to discuss the balance sheet and the fourth quarter 2013 cash flow. Cash and cash equivalents at December 31, 2013, including the restricted cash associated with the Go Zone financing that are classified as long-term assets on the balance sheet, totaled $312 million compared to $177.1 million at December 31, 2012. During 2013, working capital employed declined by approximately $30 million. The decline primarily reflects lower levels of both receivables and inventory. During the fourth quarter, Winchester was able to increase inventory but throughout 2013, Winchester inventories declined compared to December 31, 2012 levels, and remained well below December 31, 2011 levels. Inventory levels in the Chemical Distribution business also declined in both the fourth quarter 2013 and for the full year. As we look ahead to 2014, we expect that inventory levels in the Winchester and Chemical Distribution businesses will gradually be replenished. As a result, during 2014, we expect working capital to be a use of cash. Capital spending in the fourth of 2013 was $20.4 million, and for the full year 2013, was $90.8 million. Full year 2013 depreciation and amortization expense was $135.3 million. By comparison, capital spending in 2012 was $255.7 million and depreciation and amortization expense in 2012 was $110.9 million. In 2014, we are continuing to forecast that capital spending will be in the $95 million to $105 million and that depreciation and amortization expense will remain in the $135 million to $140 million range. We believe the maintenance level of capital spending to be in the $75 million to $85 billion range. During 2013, Olin repaid $23.7 million of debt that matured. During both 2014 and '15, there is $12.2 million in maturing debt and then no other debt maturities until the second quarter of 2016.…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] The first question we have will come from Frank Mitsch of Wells Fargo Securities.

Frank J. Mitsch - Wells Fargo Securities, LLC, Research Division

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities

John, I wanted to come back to the steady and opportunistic basis on the share buyback. You started in earnest -- sometime during Q1 2013, and then accelerated from that pace, all else equal, given the -- given where you started from, would it be unusual to expect that Olin buys back more stock in '14 than they did in '13?

John E. Fischer

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities

I think that's -- and is -- I think we would be steady and opportunistic and I think what you saw in Q2, 3 and 4 is representative of what we think steady and opportunistic is.

Frank J. Mitsch - Wells Fargo Securities, LLC, Research Division

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities

Great. And then, you outlined some of the uses of cash, and you also mentioned M&A, what is your expectation for properties becoming available in 2014? And are you quasi confident that you'll be able to execute something in that regard?

Joseph D. Rupp

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities

Frank, as you know, we're constantly looking at anything and everything, primarily, downstream in bleach, hydrochloric acid, et cetera. But I would say, that there is -- probably quasi confidence that we would be able to find something that we could do, yes.

Frank J. Mitsch - Wells Fargo Securities, LLC, Research Division

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities

Okay, great. And obviously, Q4 had a fair amount of expenses on the legal side, and obviously, mark-to-market, what's your expectation of those expenses as we look out into 2014? I know that you gave us good guidance on the environmental provisions, but I was just curious as to those other expenses.

John L. McIntosh

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities

I think, Frank, the best way to think about it is the corporate and other line in the segment income statement, we would say that 2014, that spending should be in the $72 million to $78 million range. And that encompasses the legal costs.

Frank J. Mitsch - Wells Fargo Securities, LLC, Research Division

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities

Right. So a modest step down.

Operator

Operator

The next question we have comes from Christopher Butler of Sidoti & Company. Christopher W. Butler - Sidoti & Company, LLC: Could you talk to us a little bit more about the pricing environment on Chlor Alkali and as it pertains to demand, we've had a bit of an about-face here with the caustic price increase not being accepted, but now chlorine and stronger-than-expected demand. And could you tie in the outage with one of your peers and how that might be playing in?

John L. McIntosh

Analyst · Sidoti & Company

Chris, this is John, let me speak to 2013. If you look at 2013, there was $60 worth of chlorine price increases announced and $160 of caustic price increases announced. Yet, when you look at 2013, from the perspective of how pricing indexes behaved, really, there was ground lost on both chlorine indexes and caustic indexes. So it was a year in which the industry was working hard to try to move pricing but found an environment on the demand side that just didn't create enough momentum for that to happen. As we look -- and I can only speak for what we see across our system, as we looked into the saw -- the last half of the fourth quarter and into the first quarter, we saw a pretty significant pickup in demand for chlorine products across several different sectors that we serve, notably in vinyls. And when we try to forecast what we think is going to happen with operating rates moving forward for us, we see operating rates moving higher sequentially, as we approach the peak seasons for us. We believe chlorine is going to be tight, that constituted the basis for the chlorine price increase that we announced. We put our customers on order control because, quite frankly, we don't have material, and out of some of our locations were actually late listing orders for chlorine now. So we hope that the environment we're seeing is being seen by other producers across the industry, and we hope this is a trend on the demand side for chlorine which will set the stage for chlorine pricing moving up in '14. Christopher W. Butler - Sidoti & Company, LLC: And shifting gears to the Distribution business, you had mentioned some of the capability issues on the potassium hydroxide. You said that you are expecting better things in 2014, should that -- does that imply that those difficulties, regulatory and otherwise have kind of been taken care of it at this point?

John E. Fischer

Analyst · Sidoti & Company

Yes, they have.

Operator

Operator

Next, we have Edward Yang of Oppenheimer. Edward H. Yang - Oppenheimer & Co. Inc., Research Division: You mentioned the stronger -- you mentioned chlorine's up in January, you had a price increase. Did any other producer follow through with the $50 chlorine price increase you announced last week?

John L. McIntosh

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities

To my knowledge, not yet to this point in time.

John E. Fischer

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities

But that was late last week, Edward, that it was announced. So I think that's early. Edward H. Yang - Oppenheimer & Co. Inc., Research Division: And have you provided guidance on first quarter operating rates and ECU netbacks? I think John mentioned it's going to be up sequentially.

John L. McIntosh

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities

We have not, but we are seeing continued strong demand on the chlorine side, that's obviously going to drive operating rates up, but we have not provided specific guidance. Edward H. Yang - Oppenheimer & Co. Inc., Research Division: And John, when you say that you have not been able to meet some customer demand on the chlorine side. Does that mean -- I mean, effectively, an operating rate in the '90s, I mean, typically that's what I would associate with being at or near capacity.

John L. McIntosh

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities

Well that's -- that is spoken from a specific plant perspective. Across the system, we are able to -- but we have had requirements or demands or orders at certain locations that we are just unable to meet on a freight logical standpoint. Edward H. Yang - Oppenheimer & Co. Inc., Research Division: And just stepping back to look at fourth quarter ECU netback, $525, that was a bit of a larger decline than I would have anticipated, I know you were looking for -- I think closer to $20 decline, that was more than that. And if I look at industry pricing, which you typically lag by about a quarter or 2, in terms of what you pass through to your customers. Fourth quarter, you see netback for the industry was down about 5%, does that mean you expect first quarter ECU netbacks for you to be down about 5%?

John L. McIntosh

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities

We don't -- we have -- we just haven't provided any guidance on that. But let me speak to the fourth quarter change. When we looked at -- when we get our last call, talking about third quarter earnings, we were in a position where there had been a price -- there was a caustic price increase on the table and we actually believed we would see some improvement in our pricing as a result of that. What happened to us was in fact, we saw no improvement from that and index pricing for caustic went down 2 different times in the third quarter which created the environment, at least in our portfolio of contracts where we saw caustic pricing decrease in the fourth quarter. And that's the majority of what was behind the price decrease that we saw. Edward H. Yang - Oppenheimer & Co. Inc., Research Division: Okay. And on the Winchester side, I got a modified AR15 over Christmas, so I'm doing my part to support the demand there. But in terms of trying to size the magnitude of the downtrend you would see from the surge that -- this remarkable surge that you've seen, would you be able to provide any additional color in terms of what you expect to see in the second half?

Joseph D. Rupp

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities

I think what we would see in the second half, Edward, is that we are going to see the first half probably equal to or stronger. And I think we'll start to see the tail-off in the second half. I think what happened the last time is that our earnings were off about 10% when you compare full year to full year. Our volumes were off 10%.

John E. Fischer

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities

Second year out from the start of the surge, the earnings were off about 10%. That was in '10 compared to '09. That's the best we can do.

Operator

Operator

The next question we have comes from Herb Hardt of Monness. Herbert A. Hardt - Monness, Crespi, Hardt & Co., Inc., Research Division: Question is regarding distribution, it's obviously, been disappointing. Could you explain in a little more detail what actually has not worked? And why it's now coming back into reality?

Joseph D. Rupp

Analyst · Monness

I think a couple of things to hit on that, Herb, #1, is that as we talked about, we didn't have equipment in place to be able to handle some of the synergy that we're looking forward, which is the distribution of our co-products, which would be KOH, HCL and bleach. So that was a bit slower than we thought. In addition to that, as we've mentioned in the comments is that there has been a fairly aggressive situation out in the marketplace that was a little bit unanticipated that I think over time will mitigate itself.

John E. Fischer

Analyst · Monness

I think, Herb, I'd like to add one other thing, if you looked at Chemical Distribution, the business itself did generate a meaningful level of after-tax cash flow for us. It just didn't do it to the degree that we had hoped.

Operator

Operator

Next we have Edlain Rodriguez of UBS.

Edlain S. Rodriguez - UBS Investment Bank, Research Division

Analyst

Just one quick question on the Winchester, I mean, given your view of a strong first half and moderation in the second half, do you see 2014 as normal domain conditions? Or are we still above that? And it's probably going to be 2015 where it's normal?

Joseph D. Rupp

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities

We are above normal conditions this year.

Edlain S. Rodriguez - UBS Investment Bank, Research Division

Analyst

Not for 2014?

Joseph D. Rupp

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities

For 2014, we are above normal conditions.

Edlain S. Rodriguez - UBS Investment Bank, Research Division

Analyst

Okay, okay, that's fine. So another question on your guidance, your EBITDA range of $375, $420. When you look at all the different segments, can you give us what you think of the split between the segments? That may comp that to $375, $420?

John E. Fischer

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities

Well, the only thing we said, and I think we will stick with that is, when you compare it to 2013, we talked about the view that in the second half of 2014, we expected Winchester to moderate compared to 2013.

Operator

Operator

Don Carson of Susquehanna.

Donald Carson - Susquehanna Financial Group, LLLP, Research Division

Analyst

How much more of caustic soda did you export in the fourth quarter than in the third quarter? And was this a key driver of weak overall pricing.

Joseph D. Rupp

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities

We're not -- we don't normally participate in the export market, Don. So if the question is how much should we export?

John L. McIntosh

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities

Negligible amount.

Joseph D. Rupp

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities

Negligible.

Donald Carson - Susquehanna Financial Group, LLLP, Research Division

Analyst

Okay. And also in your opinion, are there -- is there any potential for incremental shutdowns coming here in the U.S., perhaps some of the units with older technology? What is your outlook for the -- given the supply side here over the next year or so?

John L. McIntosh

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities

We believe that there will be rationalization in the industry as the new capacity comes on. We have consistently said that this industry will continue to consolidate, we believe, and that capacity will continue to be rationalized.

Operator

Operator

The next question we have comes from Dmitry Silversteyn of Longbow Research.

Dmitry Silversteyn - Longbow Research LLC

Analyst · Longbow Research

First of all, just a bookkeeping question. What was the depreciation and amortization for Winchester in 2013?

John E. Fischer

Analyst · Longbow Research

Approximately $15 million.

Dmitry Silversteyn - Longbow Research LLC

Analyst · Longbow Research

Okay. That's what I thought. Can you talk a little bit about the freight rates both in terms of the fourth quarter, as well as what your outlook is for 2014. I know they've sort of stopped increasing at the pace they had -- in a previous 2 or 3 years, but I think they're still up and so what's your outlook for 2014 in terms of freight rates and in terms of input cost such as energy on year-over-year basis?

John L. McIntosh

Analyst · Longbow Research

Freight costs, first, let me speak to that. Year-over-year freight costs were basically flat. We attribute that to a lot of the advocacy work that's being done by the shippers in Washington, trying to pursue more equitable treatment from the railroads in terms of freight related costs. We also believe that the chemical industry -- and we have specifically, within Olin taken competitive actions by making -- by moving product in -- by other modes as opposed to rail. And we also believe that's had an impact on freight. And we would like to believe that there's real no incentive for freight rates to return to double-digit kinds of increases that we've seen over the last 3 years and believe that the right environment is one that we saw in 2013, which is relatively flat in terms of increases. Energy cost per ECU went up 6% in 2013, across our system mostly driven by natural gas pricing. Of course, in the first quarter of '14, we have seen a further spike in natural gas prices related I think, to the withdrawal rates because of the cold weather across the country. But we don't expect for that nearly $5 natural gas price to be the norm going forward and we would expect electricity costs to not increase at a level commensurate with that. And not increase significantly over what we saw in 2013.

Dmitry Silversteyn - Longbow Research LLC

Analyst · Longbow Research

Okay, very good. And then just a follow-up on the sort of the pricing and demand environment, it sounds like you're seeing better chlorine demand in the PVC market. And hopefully, TiO2 market will be a little bit better in 2014 as the coating industry looks to be fairly strong in terms of the outlook for 2014. Is the increased chlorine production that you're looking to generate, particularly, in the second and third quarter, your seasonally highest quarters, is that going to be matched by improvements in demand in caustic? Or do you expect to see some pricing challenges in caustic as more of these chlorine comes to the market?

John L. McIntosh

Analyst · Longbow Research

If we're right in our belief that we are seeing a more typical recovery occur with chlorine demand and chlorine pricing strength leading the economy from a period of stagnation and almost no increased demand to a period of increased demand, then we will see some pressure on caustic as chlorine prices move up, driven by higher chlorine demand. But that is a typical pattern that the industry has seen in the past. And for us, as we continued to increase the amount of bleach we produce in the peak seasons, bleaches in ECU consumer, chlorine and caustic. And that will be important to us to manage that.

Dmitry Silversteyn - Longbow Research LLC

Analyst · Longbow Research

Okay. And then finally, you mentioned in an answer to the previous question that you're not a participant in the export market for caustic, it is a market at least from what we're reading that is stable and growing and there's opportunities there if the pricing differences continued particularly in the energy side between the U.S., and the rest of the world. Do have plans within the company to take a closer look at the export market or are you just not set up for some particular reason to be an effective exporter?

John L. McIntosh

Analyst · Longbow Research

We have capabilities to export, but because we've not historically done it, we have centered our caustic business on the North American caustic contract market. And that's what we're used to doing. We are not at all averse to participating in the export market and we do have plants that are situated in locations where exporting would be possible. If that's what makes sense for us, then that's what we would do.

Dmitry Silversteyn - Longbow Research LLC

Analyst · Longbow Research

Would the exporting be, to like large distributors that will move your product into the individual customers or would you have to sign-up specific customer relationships to become a bigger exporter?

John L. McIntosh

Analyst · Longbow Research

We would probably look to export through distributors first, because that is a way to do it on a more moderate basis than dealing direct with export customers.

Operator

Operator

The next question we have comes from Aleksey Yefremov of Bank of America Merrill Lynch.

Aleksey V. Yefremov - BofA Merrill Lynch, Research Division

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Question on Winchester. Are you implementing any price increases this year, maybe January 1st or later on?

Joseph D. Rupp

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch

There's no announced price increases at this point in time, if you recall, Alex, we announced price increases back in June. And naturally we'll continue to evaluate that as we get into the year, but there's not a January price increase in the industry announced.

Aleksey V. Yefremov - BofA Merrill Lynch, Research Division

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Great. And then on your outlook for Winchester, for moderation in the second half, is this outlook based on prior cycles and your general experience with demand trends or is it based on something you already see in the marketplace?

Joseph D. Rupp

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch

It's based on history, not on what we're seeing.

Aleksey V. Yefremov - BofA Merrill Lynch, Research Division

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Okay, so the marketplace. Basically, you seen no change in terms of demand levels, inventory levels, et cetera.

Joseph D. Rupp

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch

And as you -- no. And as you -- we talked about the backlog, it's a pretty strong backlog at this point.

Aleksey V. Yefremov - BofA Merrill Lynch, Research Division

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch

All right, makes sense. And then -- final question on Winchester. You mentioned expected savings of $24 million to $26 million from relocation. Is it incremental to $22 million achieved in '13 or $2 million to $4 million as incremental, that we should expect?

John E. Fischer

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch

What we said was that this cost -- the actual costs savings in Winchester in 2013 from the relocation was $16 million to $17 million, which is a $22 million improvement from '12, because we had costs in '12. The $26 million compares to the $17 million.

Operator

Operator

The next question we have comes from Jason Freuchtel of SunTrust.

Jason Freuchtel - SunTrust Robinson Humphrey, Inc., Research Division

Analyst · SunTrust

As you expect the Winchester business will begin to moderate in the second half, do you expect to see any pushback from retailers in the pricing. And when there -- is there a lag, I guess typically involved in the impact that you see in the margins when you do receive some pricing pressure?

John E. Fischer

Analyst · SunTrust

Over the long run, the price of product tends to reflect the underlying cost of the commodity metals which are copper, lead and zinc. And those prices over the last 12 months, have been relatively range bound. So absent a significant movement down in those, we would not expect to see significant price pressure, even as demand backs off.

Jason Freuchtel - SunTrust Robinson Humphrey, Inc., Research Division

Analyst · SunTrust

Okay, great. And your expectation of seeing a typical chlorine demand cycle. Will the pricing pressure to the caustic have a negative impact on the distribution margins?

John L. McIntosh

Analyst · SunTrust

No, not typically.

Operator

Operator

Next we have Richard O'Reilly with Revere Associates.

Richard O'Reilly

Analyst

I want to get back on the power course of natural gas. Can you refresh us, what's your exposure to the major power sources, water, gas, et cetera?

John L. McIntosh

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities

We haven't specifically detailed our power mix. I can say that we have a relatively equal mix of power -- a relatively balanced mix of power amongst all 4 of those fuel sources that you've mentioned and we think that's one of the strengths we have as we look at our energy input costs.

Richard O'Reilly

Analyst

Okay. So as gas has gone up, you continued your historical advantage vis-à-vis the Gulf producers.

John L. McIntosh

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities

That's fair. That's correct.

Richard O'Reilly

Analyst

Second question, it's a more a philosophical question on your earnings guidance, you're willing to give an EBITDA -- full year EBITDA guidance and then quarterly EPS, why not both apples-to-apples or 1 or the other?

John E. Fischer

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities

Well, we used to just give quarterly earnings per share guidance. The first time we gave full year guidance was last year and we decided to give it on an EBITDA basis. And that's the practice we are following.

Richard O'Reilly

Analyst

Okay, first is a full year EPS?

Joseph D. Rupp

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities

At this time, that's right, Richard.

Operator

Operator

At this time, we have no further questions. We will go ahead and conclude today's question-and-answer session. At this time, I would like to turn the conference back over to management for any closing remarks, gentlemen?

Joseph D. Rupp

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities

We'd like to thank you for joining us today, and we look forward to speaking with you in April when we announce our results of our first quarter. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And we thank you, sir, and to the rest of management for your time today. We thank you all for attending today's presentation. At this time, you may now disconnect your lines. Thank you, and take care, everyone.