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PaySign, Inc. (PAYS)

Q2 2023 Earnings Call· Tue, Aug 8, 2023

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Operator

Operator

Good afternoon. My name is Kevin, and I’ll be your conference operator today. At this time, I’d like to welcome everyone to the PaySign, Inc. Second Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. The comments on today’s call regarding PaySign’s financial results will be on a GAAP basis, unless otherwise noted. PaySign’s earnings release was disseminated to the SEC earlier today and can be found on the Investor Relations section of our website, paysign.com, which includes reconciliations of non-GAAP measures to GAAP reported amounts. Additionally, as set forth in more detail in our earnings release, I would like to remind everyone that today’s call will include forward-looking statements regarding PaySign’s future performance. Actual performance could differ materially from these forward-looking statements. Information about the factors that could affect our future performance is summarized at the end of PaySign’s earnings release and in our recent SEC filings. Lastly, a replay of this call will be available until November 8, 2023. Please see PaySign’s earnings release for details on how to access the replay. It’s now my pleasure to turn the call over to Mr. Mark Newcomer, CEO. Please go ahead, Mark.

Mark Newcomer

Analyst

Thank you, Kevin. Good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for joining our second quarter 2023 earnings call. I’m Mark Newcomer, Chief Executive Officer, and I’m pleased to share our quarterly results with you. I will briefly discuss our performance and provide updates on our plasma and patient affordability verticals before handing it over to our CFO, Jeff Baker, for further details. Additionally, Matt Turner, President of Patient Affordability, will be joining us for the question-and-answer session. We experienced solid revenue growth this quarter, up 28% from last year’s second quarter, reaching $11 million as we continue to add new programs throughout our business segments. Our load volumes increased 8%, and our spend volumes increased 11%, compared to the second quarter of last year. We’ve witnessed healthy growth in our plasma compensation business, which has rebounded from the normal seasonal downturn mostly associated with Q1 tax refunds. During the second quarter, we onboarded 6 new centers while 2 centers were closed, leaving us with a total of 443 centers by the end of the quarter. The average monthly revenue per center increased 13% compared to Q2 of last year. As donors keep returning post-pandemic, our growth remains steady. We were awarded 16 additional mature centers from an existing client, and they went live in mid-July, bringing our total center count to 461 centers. During the quarter, we concluded contract negotiations following our RFP win with one of the 4 largest plasma collection companies. We expect to onboard the initial center in Q4 with more centers to follow in 2024. Given our progress and our clients’ expansion plans, we’re expecting to hit the high end of our forecast to open 45 to 55 additional centers in 2023. Today, I’d like to delve deeper into our Patient Affordability segment, highlighting our excitement and the…

Jeff Baker

Analyst

Thank you, Mark. Good afternoon, everyone. Our plasma business continues to be the foundation for our business, providing us the opportunity to invest and diversify our business into other attractive vertical markets such as our fast-growing pharma Patient Affordability channel, as Mark just elaborated. Since beginning this journey in 2019 and exiting 2020 with 4 programs and revenues of $168,000, we are beginning to see the fruit of this investment pay off with patient affordability revenues expected to more than double to over $3.5 million in 2023. For the second quarter, patient affordability revenues increased 133% to $729,000 versus $313,000 during the same period last year. Our plasma business continues its growth, exiting the quarter with 443 centers versus 437 centers during the same period last year. Our average revenue per plasma center, per month, also grew to $7,587 versus $6,716, a year-over-year increase of 13%. As Mark mentioned, since the end of the quarter, we transitioned 16 mature centers in mid-July and added 2 additional de novo centers during the month, bringing the total number of centers to 461 at the end of July. Our expectation is to exit this year with approximately 480 centers, which includes the centers that have been added and the ones that have been sold or closed during the year. For the second quarter, plasma revenues increased $2.2 million or 28.3% over the same period last year. As in previous calls, with all the details we provided in the press release and that will be available in our 10-Q filing tomorrow morning, I will simply hit the financial highlights for the second quarter of 2023 versus the same period last year. Second quarter 2023 total revenues of $11 million increased $2.4 million or 28.4%. Gross profit margin for the quarter was 50.9% versus 54.6%…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question today is coming from Gary Prestopino from Barrington Research.

Gary Prestopino

Analyst

Jeff, I know this will be in the Q. I’m just wondering, do you have the load values and the spend values handy?

Jeff Baker

Analyst

Yes. Just give me one, 2 seconds. So our total load value -- total number of loads was 6 million and total dollar value loaded was $404.7 million.

Gary Prestopino

Analyst

Okay. All right. That’s great. And then could you help us out here with the differential of gross margin dollars versus plasma versus Patient Affordability I mean how much more of an uplift on gross margin dollars per dollar of sales do you get on Patient Affordability versus plasma?

Jeff Baker

Analyst

So our patient affordability margins are running in the 80-ish percent range. The gross -- the plasma gross margins are in the upper 40s to low 50% range. There’s more third-party costs associated with the pharma side -- I mean with the plasma side versus the pharma side.

Gary Prestopino

Analyst

Okay. So obviously, then, as you grow this Patient Affordability, it’s going to be a very positive impact to your margins.

Jeff Baker

Analyst

It will to the gross margins. What I will caution you with is that the -- it’s not the fully loaded margins in the business where if you look at IT, also individuals. It’s more of an in-house solution versus a third party -- using more third-party vendors. So there’s more costs associated, they’re just below the line.

Gary Prestopino

Analyst

Okay. That’s good to know. And then did I hear you right, Mark, that you said the claims volumes were up 85% on these patient affordability programs in the quarter, is that correct? Or is that from the -- what is that measurement from?

Mark Newcomer

Analyst

Yes, that’s correct. It was for the first half.

Gary Prestopino

Analyst

First half of this year, okay.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question is coming from Jon Hickman from Ladenburg.

Jon Hickman

Analyst

I’m sorry, I didn’t quite catch. You made a comment about -- I think that was Mark speaking, about a new plasma customer that you got on center in this quarter and you expect more at the end of the year, so you can reach your 480 center goal. Can you reiterate what you said about that new customer?

Mark Newcomer

Analyst

Yes. The -- what I was talking about was it was one of the RFP wins we had with 1 of the top 4 plasma companies in the country. We spoke about it in previous quarters. We finally...

Jon Hickman

Analyst

Didn’t it come in last quarter?

Mark Newcomer

Analyst

It did. It came in towards the end of last year, that’s correct. So it’s obviously been -- it’s moved fairly slow. We now have our first center going live in Q4. And then subsequent centers will launch in 2024.

Jon Hickman

Analyst

Okay. Can you tell us anything more about what’s going on at the border? I know those were reopened for you. How’s traffic?

Jeff Baker

Analyst

Yes, Jon, I mean there -- believe it or not traffic is finally starting to come back. It’s kind of inching up every month, but it’s still not back to where it was pre-COVID. But we are definitely seeing more Mexican nationals donating than they have been. It’s about -- just about 50-50 between Mexican nationals and U.S. citizens that are donating there. .

Operator

Operator

Next question is a follow-up from Gary Prestopino from Barrington Research.

Gary Prestopino

Analyst

Yes. You talked about the -- you won this large RFP and you’re going to be getting at least 1 center on by the end of this year. Is that correct?

Mark Newcomer

Analyst

That’s correct.

Gary Prestopino

Analyst

Can you give us some idea of the magnitude of how many centers came -- will be activated in 2024 due to winning this RFP?

Mark Newcomer

Analyst

So the RFP, I mean, not really. I can’t -- I mean it’s 1 of the 4 largest plasma company. So as you can imagine, they have hundreds of centers. Really, we’re putting up our offering and they will dictate which centers they will push over to us. So it’s hard for me to give you an accurate count at this point in time. We do expect subsequent centers falling in 2024. I think at that point, we’ll be able to probably give a little better guidance on that.

Gary Prestopino

Analyst

That will be very helpful. And then, Mark, you talked in your narrative about your initial forays into Patient Affordability. Clients looked at you and said, "Hey, you’re a small company, but we’ll give you a little piece of it." And it’s starting to really gain some traction. Could you maybe go into what you are doing that is allowing or enabling you to gain this traction in market share maybe versus the competition?

Matt Turner

Analyst

Yes. So this is Matt Turner. I think we’ve started developing solutions to some industry problems such as the accumulator maximizer problems and that’s really kind of a deep rabbit hole to get into on this call. But it represents -- the accumulator maximizer programs represent a risk to our clients financially because it could cause their co-pay programs to just cost way too much money. And so we’ve developed some incredibly successful targeted solutions to address that. And I think there’s a good part of what we’re doing that’s just really focusing on kind of a white glove client experience, right? A lot of the competitors in the market space walked away from that. They over-commoditized, I guess, is the best way you could put it. And so we’re focusing more on the expertise that it takes to do the job and bringing new solutions to the table, combining that with a really solid client experience.

Gary Prestopino

Analyst

Is there anything on the technology basis that you have that’s a competitive advantage in this market that can’t be duplicated by a competitor?

Matt Turner

Analyst

Yes. So I mean, there’s a lot of technology involved in what we do, right? I mean it’s kind of a -- it’s a complex ecosystem. As far as somebody else never being able to duplicate it, I don’t know that, that’s necessarily the case, but we -- it took us a while to kind of get the solution up and running. And I don’t think we’re going to see anybody successfully imitate us for some time. They’ve had years to jump on top of this and they failed, so. And in 24 months, we’ve launched a new solution and have begun selling it now to top 5 pharma companies. So I don’t -- I’m not overly concerned that they’re going to be able to imitate us anytime soon.

Gary Prestopino

Analyst

How big is your sales force right now for this market? I mean if it’s bigger than the plasma market, are you going to be putting more resources into this market and getting sales strength?

Matt Turner

Analyst

Yes. So last call, we talked about Bryan Dennison, who was brought on, I think, right in February as Senior VP for Sales for us. And then he has 2 folks that are kind of the bulk of the sales force, and they have a support person there with them. We’ll continue to evaluate the need for additional salespeople. Right now, the 2 that we have are doing an amazing job in keeping everybody here very, very busy. So -- and when we hired -- we’ve hired top talent on the sales side. This is -- we haven’t gone in and looked at trying to have entry-level people and training them and becoming a salesperson. These are industry veterans that have a lot of connections and a very thick Rolodexes. So they’re incredibly successful in what they’re doing now. And maybe towards the start of next year, we’d evaluate adding more salespeople. But I think right now, we’re rightsized in the sales staff.

Jeff Baker

Analyst

The bigger -- Gary, the bigger employee or cost is kind of going to come into client management support on the salespeople and dedicated support. I mean these pharmaceutical companies were signing up, like Matt mentioned, they lack the white glove service from their old provider. We’re giving them the white glove service. We can do that cost effectively, but we are going to have to -- we continue to bring in these customers which we are, we’re going to have to continue to add at that level. So it’s not the senior level but definitely the client support side level.

Mark Newcomer

Analyst

And then I also think it’s important to say that we still have our hub strategy. And that hub strategy allows us to kind of play off some of our hub partnerships that are bringing a lot of business to the table for us. So I think that’s, no.

Gary Prestopino

Analyst

Okay. And then just one last question, more of a modeling question. This business here is taking the place of another business that you had. I forget what that was called. But when were all of those revenues out of the equation on a comparable quarterly basis? Is it starting in Q3? Or is it more Q4?

Jeff Baker

Analyst

No. So that was -- you’re referring to our prepaid business. So the last prepaid revenues -- yes, the last prepaid revenues in pharma were in Q4 of last year. So starting in Q1 of 2024, you’ll have an apples-to-apples. But I will point to our investor presentation on our website. We have split out the revenues from the prepaid business and our Patient Affordability business. So you can see a true apples-to-apples comparison.

Operator

Operator

Yes. We reached the end of our question-and-answer session. I’d like to turn the floor back over to management for any further or closing comments.

Mark Newcomer

Analyst

Thanks, Kevin. Thank you all for joining us today, and we look forward to updating you on our continued progress in the next earnings call. You all have a wonderful day.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. That does conclude today’s teleconference webcast. You may disconnect your line at this time, and have a wonderful day.