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Procore Technologies, Inc. (PCOR)

Q3 2021 Earnings Call· Sun, Nov 7, 2021

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Matt Puljiz

Management

Thanks. Good afternoon and welcome to Procore's 2021 Third Quarter Earnings Call. With me today are Tooey Courtemanche, Founder, President and CEO, and Paul Lyandres, CFO. The complete disclosure of our results can be found in our press release issued today, which is available on the Investor Relations section of our website. Today's call is being recorded and a replay will be available upon the conclusion of the call. Comments made on this call may include forward-looking statements regarding our financial results, products, customer demand, operations, the impact of COVID-19 on our business and other matters. These statements are subject to risks, uncertainties and assumptions and are based on management's current expectations as of today, November 4, 2021. Procore undertakes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements to reflect new information or unanticipated events except as required by law. If this call is replayed or viewed after today, the information presented during the call may not contain current or accurate information. Therefore these statement should not be relied upon as representing our views as of any subsequent date. We'll also refer to certain non-GAAP financial measures to provide additional information to investors. A reconciliation of non-GAAP to GAAP measures is provided in our press release. With that let me turn the call to Tooey.

Tooey Courtemanche

Founder

Thank you, Matt, and thank you, everyone, for joining us today. Over the last 90 days we've been hard at work advancing Procore's short- and long-term objectives while continuing to reduce risk and unlock growth for our customers. We invested heavily in our platform, which benefits all customers, from owners to general contractors, especially contractors globally. We released many new product features and updates and we announced two very exciting acquisitions. We're continuing to innovate in preconstruction and financials and we are doubling down on what we believe is the most robust suite of products for specialty contractors. Last month we hosted our annual construction conference, Groundbreak, which gives us a great opportunity to hear from our customers and industry leaders from around the globe. Overall our customers made a few things very clear. Procore's mission is resonating and the progress we made is having a direct and positive impact on the industry. As always, we believe our role in transforming this industry goes well beyond our technology. We recently announced a number of new partnerships with organizations like Associated Builders and Contractors, the National Association of Minority Contractors and the Associated America. These partnerships provide a variety of benefits such as discounted buying programs, free product training and a new scholarship program to assist minority students who are studying construction at historically black colleges and universities. The partnerships, innovation and support that we provide to our industry continues to be recognized. We recently received the Trust Radius Tech Cares Award, the National Institute of Building Sciences Innovator Award, and we took top honors in G2 Crowds' fall report where we led in eight categories. At Procore we know it takes more than technology to improve the lives of everyone in construction. It takes partnership. As I mentioned before, the…

Paul Lyandres

CFO

Thanks, Tooey, and thank you to everyone for joining us today. Before we discuss the quarter's performance, I'd like to formally welcome both the Levelset and LaborChart teams to Procore. As Tooey mentioned, we believe that there are tremendous synergies in both the near- and long-term with these businesses. Additionally, please note that both these acquisitions closed in the fourth quarter and, therefore, did not contribute to our Q3 results. Overall, we are pleased with our performance in the third quarter. We remain excited about our long-term opportunity as ultimately this industry is large, under-digitized and historically has been underserved in regards to a best-in-class technology partner. With that there are few things in particular I want to call out with respect to Q3. First, similar to last quarter, we saw continued strength in our international business and financial management products. What's most exciting about these two areas is we are just at the beginning of our international expansion and our integration of Levelset financial management adoption in the coming years. Second, we were very pleased with our hiring momentum. We ended the quarter with more headcount than we assumed, but the timing of those starts was more backend loaded in the quarter than anticipated. This caused a dynamic of better non-GAAP operating margin in Q3 while simultaneously ending the quarter with more headcount. More to come on this topic when we discuss our updated guidance. Lastly, in aggregate, our overall expansion and upsell rate continues to improve from where it ended in 2020. However, as Tooey shared, the industry disruptions associated with the difficult labor market, inflation and constrained supply chains continue to disproportionately distract the SMB segment. The impact has been less pronounced in the midmarket and above, as we continue to see stronger growth within our larger…

Operator

Operator

First question we have Tom Roderick with Stifel. Your line is open.

Tom Roderick

Management

Fantastic, thank you for taking my questions and congratulations on wonderful results here. Tooey, I guess I'll throw the first one at you here. I think we've been talking and projects broadly speaking when they would start coming back. And it seems like there's a push and pull factor on this. The demand has never been higher, the supply chain is maybe a little bit still messed up and enabling materials to get through. But I'd love to hear what you're seeing and different pockets. Because I think as we went through this real strong pockets, whether it was residential or data centers or things like that. And then there was the long-term fear about commercial. So, would just love for you to give some comments in terms of what you are seeing on the ground from your big builders and owners and GCs about these different push and pull factors that are impacting volumes.

Tooey Courtemanche

Founder

Yes, Tom, first of all thank you for the great question, because I get a chance to talk to our customers and prospects just about every day, and this is definitely the number one topic that we talk about. Push and pull is exactly the right way to think about this in the mental model, which is there has never been higher optimism when I am talking to our customers and prospects than I hear on these calls recently about their backlogs and about all the potential building that needs to happen. So, there's that on one side of the coin. And on the other side of the coin there's the concern around all of the challenges around finding the right employees and skilled labor, which has been here since before COVID but has only gotten more difficult since. And then with the supply chain disruptions. I was flying over Long Beach the other day and I saw all those 90 container ships that are out there and I know that that's holding a lot of the construction materials that our customers need to build. So, there's a lot of disruption there. Commodity prices are affected by all of that too. So, it is a very - it's a world with two different stories in it, that optimism the other side. Now, when you talk about sectors, I tend to think that it's more about the way we look at how we segment our customers, which is much more around we sell into the enterprise and the mid-market. But the SMB is the group that is actually just having the biggest challenges because they are so overwhelmed. If it wasn't hard enough to be a contractor prior to COVID, imagine if you are a small - or a construction company where you are wearing five different hats. You're doing operations, you're doing - you're selling the next job and you're trying to get the materials that you need, trying to do that in this COVID world. It's hard and they've got a lot going on. And so, for them, they are - their plates are full. So, when we look at the challenges, we actually look at it more by segment. And now, what we do believe, Tom - and I talk to these folks all the time - is when things revert back to more of a normal state, I believe they're all going to want to come to a solution like Procore that's going to help them do more with less. And so, I think over the long run this is going to - we're going to see these folks coming back and coming back strongly. But for now they are having a tough time. It's a tough time to be a small contractor anywhere.

Tom Roderick

Management

Yes, that's great commentary. No doubt there's some pent-up demand for automation and digitization. So, I'm guessing that bodes well for you. A quick follow-up. I don't want to get too much in the weeds, but I couldn't help but notice your enthusiasm announcing the Procore construction network. Is it too simplistic to say this is the Angie's List of construction? And maybe if you wouldn't mind taking just another 30 seconds talking a little bit more about that, and just the business model that you see underneath that in terms of how it can help Procore and the customer base.

Tooey Courtemanche

Founder

Yes, no, and by the way, you asked me the questions about the things I love to talk about. So yes, I am very excited about Procore's construction network. It's basically the recognition that every company and eventually every person in the construction industry needs to have their and unique profile and needs to be discoverable and be a part of a community where they can find more work and promote their brand and do all of the things they need to do. As I mentioned, I think my Yelp example is a great one. There really is no overall kind of registry for all of this. And if you think about what we can do from Procore's standpoint is we can enrich these profiles over time. We know what folks quality score, we know how they change order, we know how they perform on scheduling. We know so much about them that we can that we can help make that information available so then when they go out to be discovered or they go out to discover other folks to work with, they can actually stop flying blind and start actually making informed decisions about who to work with. And so, I think it's really an exciting time. And I think the concept of making that happen, enriching it with all this data that Procore is generating through our data graph of knowing who everybody is really going to be the future of construction.

Operator

Operator

We'll have Brent Bracelin with Piper Sandler.

Brent Bracelin

Management

Tooey, Paul, nice to see a recovery in the business here the last couple of quarters. One question for Tooey and one for Paul. Tooey, We'll start with you. I know you talked a little bit about Levelset being the first step in a broader construction fintech strategy. My question is what's been the early feedback on Levelset? I'd be curious to hear lean management pain points. Is this resonating most with GCs or subs? Just would love to hear a little bit more what's been the feedback on that acquisition since you made it and the timing of when that could maybe really accelerate within the installed base. Do you have to integrate that or not? Thanks.

Tooey Courtemanche

Founder

So, Brent, I think the highest praise you can get when you go out and make an acquisition like this is to get a lot of calls from your customers who are saying thank you for solving this problem. Cash flow is - getting people paid faster is critical in our industry, and the industry and our customers have been very grateful for the fact that we are tackling this. What Levelset does is they solved that - and I mentioned this in our last call - but the complexity around compliance. And the fact is that there's a lot of complexity involved in all of that. So, for us to be able to tack that into that broader picture, which I described before the last time we all spoke, about completing these complex workflows from the very beginning of - from bidding and estimating all the way through paying. So, there's a lot to it, getting a lot of folks in the industry that are very excited about that. And also our partners in the app marketplace saw that as being a big win, because it actually does help move through these processes, getting closer to the place where money can actually flow quicker. So, yes, no, it's been a - I think a success from a lot of places. Now we have a lot work to do to integrate them over the next year. But we are up for the task and I think the industry is ready for us to do so.

Brent Bracelin

Management

And then, Paul, for you, you've had two quarters here of improving revenue growth, calculated billings and deferred - short-term deferred revenue are both up over 30% for the last two quarters. But you did talk a little bit about some of the mixed dynamics in SMB. My question here is on the pipeline build. As you think about the pipeline opportunity, do you think the international and midmarket enterprise strength can offset SMB with just the puts and takes as you think about pipeline visibility going into next year? Thanks.

Paul Lyandres

CFO

Yes, I'd go back to the earlier question from Tom and say that the industry is seeing that push-and-pull dynamic. And to Tooey's comment, it's just hardest right now for the SMBs. But we don't believe that to be sustained problem nor something that in the immediacy has an impact on our pipeline opportunity. We believe we're still so early in the market that we serve today, the opportunity to continue to land so many new logos while continuing to focus on cross sell, and thinking about our international expansion opportunities leaves us remaining really bullish on the long-term opportunity here and the ability to continue to acquire new customers as well as grow within the customer base that we have.

Operator

Operator

Next we have Brian Schwartz with Oppenheimer.

Brian Schwartz

Management

Yes, hi, thanks for taking my questions this afternoon. In terms of the strength that you were saying or you pointed out in the larger customers in international midmarket, just wondering if you're seeing any change in terms of the cycle of the activities that are coming on the platform. And if you dug into that, is it possible to distinguish between how much of that is maybe some release of some pent-up demand versus what you're doing internally to create more awareness or better productivity on your sales force?

Paul Lyandres

CFO

I'd tell you I think we believe it to be a mixture of all of the above. We continue to think that, when you look at the macro environment, even with that push and pull, backlogs are still stronger than they've ever been and that customers remain really optimistic about where the world is going. At the same time, we continue to invest heavily in our market - our go-to-market motion, the ways that we can better leverage our collaborators, stakeholders and think through all the different opportunities that we have, being the unique platform, to go out there and better - become more efficient but also just think through how we can better serve the industry along the way.

Tooey Courtemanche

Founder

I will add, too, there hasn't - to Paul's point, there's nothing that's going - there's no outlier here, there's no one thing. But there is - we do see a lot of demand around our construction financials product line. I think that's much more of a realization that a connected system on a platform like Procore, that solves a problem that, frankly, just has never really been done before through a connected SaaS environment. It's starting to take on more and more awareness and it's something that we are really proud of.

Brian Schwartz

Management

And then if I could ask one follow-up question. It's just a strategic question I guess, Tooey, for you. Just thinking about the appetite here for further M&A. The Company's history, you've always done a really good job in terms of adding technologies organically and inorganically. How should we think about maybe the Company's ability to digest LaborChart and Levelset versus potentially adding new inorganic R&D here over the next several quarters? Thanks.

Tooey Courtemanche

Founder

Yes, no, it's a great question. Our focus is, after we make an acquisition like these, is really the - as we always say, the real work begins after the deal closes. So, we're putting a lot of our energy on ensuring that these are integrated in the most efficient way so we can get them in the hands of our customers on our platform as fast as possible. So, that's where all of our focus is. But in general, when you think about M&A from Procore's perspective, there's a couple things I want to point out because - I get this question a lot, so I'll just take this opportunity to preempt it, which is we had two acquisitions that happened relatively close together. I would say do not read anything into that cadence. That is a byproduct of two deals that moved at different speeds that actually came together very close to each other. Procore is very disciplined when we come to making these decisions around M&A. And so, we're always looking to solve the needs of our customers, we're always looking for ways to accelerate our mission to connect everyone in construction on a global platform. And if there is a partner in our app marketplace or there is a solution out there that is doing that well, and we believe that will help us get to that mission and accelerate our timeline, we will take into consideration that they would be a great opportunity. But we are super disciplined and I really do caution people for thinking that this cadence is something to extrapolate on when it's really not.

Operator

Operator

Next we have DJ Hines with Canaccord.

DJ Hines

Management

And I will echo the congrats now that everyone else has already mentioned . I want to ask you about international expansion. It sounds like the international markets that you are in now are going really well. Obviously exciting with France and Germany coming online next year. Maybe if you could just talk about platform readiness for the push into Europe, kind of go-to-market logistics. Like what needs to happen between now and go live and how are you thinking about timing there?

Tooey Courtemanche

Founder

I am going to answer it to the high level and I know Paul has something he's going to want to add to this. But when we look at going into a market we always start with we're going into a market that is - generally start with TAM. Is it a - we look at population, we look at gross divested product, we look at those things. But we also really heavily lean on the fact we are looking for good product market fit and in an area where we actually have customers that have operations and projects. And so, that's how France and Germany came up on the list was it's a huge opportunity for us to expand into those markets. We also think that - back to the product market fit - that when we go into these markets, especially those two, that what we have today actually has good product market fit. So, there are always the international regulatory requirements that we have to look to. And I mentioned before, just a few minutes ago, about Document Control, this new product that we're releasing that is going to allow for a common data environment and ISO compliance so we can take the show on the road. So, I think we're well-positioned from a product standpoint as well as our customers have been referenceable in those areas to continue this expansion. But do you want a chance to answer?

Paul Lyandres

CFO

Yes, look, the only thing I'd maybe add is when we think about how we look at what it takes to go live and how we think about performance in the early days of newer markets, we're really mindful that, as Tooey mentioned, we are fortunate to have projects running in over 125 countries already. And that when we think about what it means to be successful, it really is a byproduct of can we attract the right people who understand market opportunity, who understand the industry? And can we get the right attention from those customers that are in market, from the folks who will effectively form the early innings of our pipeline that define our ability to hit our shorter- and longer-term goals? And I would say across those fronts we remain really optimistic that we continue to see all the right signs as we do our international expansion.

Tooey Courtemanche

Founder

You know, I will point out one last piece, which was - I mentioned before about Cladding Safety Victoria, a new customer win that we had, is a prime example of how we're in-country, and then our collaborators that are using our system are now able to convert to become customers, because they're already using the platform. So, it is kind of the beauty of our flywheel model and that's just another example.

Operator

Operator

Next we have Jason Celino with KeyBanc.

Jason Celino

Management

I wanted to ask about customer confidence. As we head into the end of the year and next year, obviously we have the push-and-pull dynamics. But with backlogs growing and maybe start dates shifting, the customer, your construction customer, what do they focus on more in terms of their sources of confidence?

Paul Lyandres

CFO

It's interesting. I don't think there's a single answer on that front, Jason. I think the backlog is a huge component for them. But also appreciating can they get the labor to staff it, can they put those people to work at the right times, can they predict when those materials are going to arrive do continue to weigh on folks' minds. And I think when we think about that confidence it is a positive sign towards how we think about customer acquisition and continuing to grow with those customers. It's much more a function of timing. And I would always remind folks that this industry is not a speedboat, it's an oil tanker. And so, these things are going to move slower than potentially some other industries. But that confidence is a really important sign to the longer-term and, frankly, even the medium-term as we think about the industry growth and our own opportunity.

Tooey Courtemanche

Founder

You know, Jason, again I talk to our customers all the time. And one thing - we should never underestimate the scrappiness and the capability of the folks that run construction companies in this world. So, no matter what's ahead of them, they find ways to get stuff done. They are very, very resourceful in that way. So yes, but I would say that the headwinds are there but they are doing everything that they can in order to kick those projects off and get going because that's where they make their money.

Jason Celino

Management

And then maybe a product question. Outside of your bread-and-butter preconstruction quality and safety and project financials, what are some of the other modules that you are seeing a lot of interest at the moment?

Tooey Courtemanche

Founder

Well, you left out our flagship project management. As a proud father I can't let that happen. Look, we have 13 products in market and the beauty of what we offer is, depending on what role you perform in any construction job, there is a product - a set of products that are going to be there available ready for you. So, if you are doing design coordination and you are a BIM modeler, we have all of those products. If you're a project manager, we have your core feature set that you need. If you're an estimator - so, that's the beauty of the platform is it's not a one-size-fits-all. We are here to connect everybody in construction on a global platform and I think we're doing it really well.

Operator

Operator

Next we have Bhavan Suri with William Blair.

Bhavan Suri

Management

Good to talk to you guys and nice job there. Let me jump in a couple of the acquisitions, but more around building. I'm interested in, A, how that's tracking vis-à-vis expectations. But B, more strategically, if you're selling that software, that component, that technology to owners for ongoing stuff, is that a potential - it is not big enough to be a huge impact, but is that an offset to some of the volatility in the construction space? How should we think about that segment driving a lower volatility base left by the business? And I'd love to understand how it's doing and then I've got a quick follow-up.

Paul Lyandres

CFO

Yes, so Honest Buildings for us was really a big foray into the market of the owners, really making the announcement to the broader construction industry that that's a big focus area for us and a really important constituency in the process. You heard Tooey talk about this quarter how subcontractors was a big area that we continue to invest in. When we think about our expectations for Honest Buildings, we remain really happy with that acquisition and believe that it did what we wanted it to do, which is go out there and make it clear that this was an area that mattered, that these stakeholders - and I do want to remind you all that when we think of owners, these are everyone from Fortune 500 companies, real estate, hospitals, government - that there needs around construction project management, financial management, the suite of products we offer were really important things we were going to focus on. And so, today when we think about the opportunity in front of us, some of the constraints and challenges, they affect all the stakeholders. The inability to get projects or materials or labor, that is not unique to the general contractor or the subcontractor. But the progress we have seen in getting more and more penetration across the enterprise, Fortune 500, all the way through the examples you heard Tooey talk about today with two government customers, continue to give us a lot of optimism on the opportunity ahead within the world of owners.

Tooey Courtemanche

Founder

Bhavan, I'll add too that prior to the Honest Buildings acquisition, we actually had a respectable owners business at the time. So, this was just to augment that. But yes, today - we service owners of all types, as Paul mentioned, and I don't think that we would be where we are today, because, again, this is about connecting everyone, if we didn't have the owner customer base that we do. It's critical to our success and therefore it gets a lot of attention.

Bhavan Suri

Management

Let's then talk about - that's helpful. Let's talk about Levelset a little bit on the lien waivers process. There was a company in the past acquired by Oracle that had a lien waiver management offering. And one of the interesting pieces there was the ability to have a GC and then force - not force, but enforce the subs and begin the platform. I would love to see if Levelset works that way. And then two, is that a way to get a broader range of subcontractors, specialty contractors onto the platform for a paid fee? How should we think about that dynamic vis-à-vis what the legacy player had done? I would love to get an understanding of that.

Tooey Courtemanche

Founder

Well, I can assure you, Bhaban, that we are not going to take that playbook. We do not believe - that is not how we operate. We believe the value that is created by all parties involved in the payment process, especially around the complexities of lien waivers, everyone benefits from getting the money to move faster and more effectively and more efficiently. So, I don't think you need to hold the proverbial gun to anyone's head to do that. I think there's a lot of value for all in the process. Paul, do you want to talk about the business model a little bit?

Paul Lyandres

CFO

Yes, so I think that when you think about the Levelset business today, they are actually a subscription - largely the majority of that revenue is coming from a subscription business, where they're actually helping anywhere from general contractors to subcontractors to suppliers to manage their own compliance processes. And so, that's everything from sending notices, generating lien waivers, and really overall making sure that the documentation, the compliance process is enabled to facilitate that payment workflow. I think the reference that you're referring to is actually a different part of that business' workflow and less about charging for the exchange of the compliance information itself.

Operator

Operator

Next we have Brent Thill with Jefferies.

Brent Thill

Management

You mentioned hiring was ahead of plan in the quarter. Can you just give us a sense of where those adds are going, where you're at? And ultimately are you opening up more quota carrying rep capacity given the recovery you are seeing?

Paul Lyandres

CFO

Yes, I would tell you that the hiring is going across-the-board. We are investing in standing up more operations, in developing new technologies and further expanding on our platform. And thinking through how we expand into new markets and of course adding quota carrying capacity as we go about planning for the next year. But I wouldn't focus your attention on any part of the organization. It really is hiring across-the-board.

Brent Thill

Management

And, Tooey, I know you mentioned the international push, but you did move into France and Germany. Can you just drill in, is that through partners, your own boots on the ground? Give us a sense of what's happening in those regions.

Tooey Courtemanche

Founder

Just to be super clear, we are moving into France and Germany, so that's a process that's starting to take place. So, our go-to-market in those two are going to be very similar to how we go to market anywhere, which is we're going to take a look at how the buying happens in those markets. And so, I am certain there will be a lot of direct go-to-market Procore folks there. But then certain segments and certain countries buy through service providers. So, we will obviously use the approach that gets the deal done. We like to sell the software the way people like to buy software, so we will match those two together as we go to market.

Operator

Operator

Next we have Saket Kalia with Barclays.

Saket Kalia

Management

Paul, thanks for taking my questions here and squeezing me in. Hey Paul, maybe just to start with you. A lot of good stuff on the financial management part of the portfolio. I know we don't talk about different parts of the portfolio, but can you just maybe give us some broad brushes on even qualitatively attach rate to customers? And maybe how the pricing for something like project management sort of compares portfolio? Does that make sense?

Paul Lyandres

CFO

Yes, yes. So look, I think when we think about the attach rates we continue to think about the stats we had shared in the past on the percentage of customers that buy multiple products. And continue to reiterate that financials is among one of the most demanded products we have and something that we continue to see a healthy attach rate and an expanded attach rate, particularly as we think about a lot of the new deliverables and as we think about what those new deliverables that Tooey talked about will drive in the future. Pricing is an area that - financials is a very valuable product to the market. It's something that solves a big problem. And so, we don't talk about specific prices, I would tell you that it is a meaningful share of what PM costs.

Saket Kalia

Management

Tooey, maybe for my follow-up for you - I was wondering if you could just double-click a little bit on the competitive landscape. I know a lot of us think about Autodesk when we think about a competitor, but I was wondering if you're just seeing any differences, of course, from them but also from the Oracles and Trimbles of the world?

Tooey Courtemanche

Founder

The short answer is no, we are not. Everything is - our close rates are remaining as they were if not improving. And so, I would say we don't - we haven't seen anything different at all from anyone of those three different competitors.

Paul Lyandres

CFO

And if anything I'd just reiterate that when we think about the market opportunity ahead, we're still in such early days that we are facing an industry that is still on analog processes, pen, paper, fax machines, in-house solutions. And it's still such early days that we continue to just be hyper-focused on helping these customers and these prospects digitize the workflows that they have today.

Tooey Courtemanche

Founder

You know, Saket, quick story. One of the largest contractors in America, they are like around 100 in size, I was talking to recently. And they were saying thank you for buying LaborChart because labor is our most variable cost. And controlling and managing labor is really, really - if we don't do it right can cost us a lot of money. And I said, how are you doing it today? Like, who are we competing with? And he said whiteboards. This is a very large company that manages their people using whiteboards. So, when we think about competition it's generally not about a big multinational, it's usually about things like whiteboards.

Operator

Operator

Next we have Kash Rangan with Goldman Sachs.

Kash Rangan

Management

Thank you very much. Paul and Tooey, congratulations. As the economy continues to stabilize from a construction standpoint, I'm wondering how we should think about calendar 2022. I would assume that you've got a healthier base of renewals in 2021, and the renewal rates should start to pick up. And your net expansion ratio should also start to slowly inch back up to the pre-COVID days, especially as you start to have success with some of your - as you mentioned, Tooey, some of the modules, higher value-added modules. So, how does it all play out in calendar 2022? And if I could ask a question on payments, because you don't want to be the only software company not to have a payments module; everybody seems to be announcing it. I do know that you have an invoicing module that does payments. But could you be onto something here that we may not be quite aware of that we should not be surprised by if it happens in the future? That's an oxymoron of a question.

Paul Lyandres

CFO

I'll maybe touch on the first one. When we think about the economy stabilizing from a construction standpoint and how that plays out from a renewal rate perspective, I'd draw your attention actually back to the S1 and the metrics we had talked about with the renewal rate. Even through the midst of COVID our renewal rate . Obviously from an expansion standpoint that is more coupled to the industry performance. And we have seen the industry slowly return to 2019 numbers. But that backlog that Tooey mentioned is driven to some extent by the uncertainty. And so, while we don't have a crystal ball per se on how the economy will perform, we do believe that we will continue to see improvement in those retention rates, in the expansion rates and that our customers are going to continue to need us more than ever as the world continues to come back.

Tooey Courtemanche

Founder

Kash, by the way, I'll answer the second part of it. I think that really - I can't answer the payments question without just double-clicking on the Levelset acquisition and why getting lean management is so critical to this process. Because everyone focuses on the fact that when you need to move money you need to move money. But really in the construction world getting the okay to move the money is where all of the effort happens. And so, we are spending all of our considerable effort on this integration of Levelset to solve that particular problem. When that problem is done, then it's time to move the money. And so, we will definitely not be the only company in the world to not have a payments tool. But what we say is that we want you to think about this in years and not quarters. Because the thing that we do, Kash, and I think you know this at Procore, is we do things intentionally to do it right and to do it well, not to just get something up on our website. So, we are going to - it's going to take us some time. And really the focus right now is the integration of all the lean management that Levelset brought to us.

Kash Rangan

Management

Yes, I should have covered saying only company pure play in a $13 trillion construction market, $13 trillion of - service, sorry.

Tooey Courtemanche

Founder

We think of it as - trillion.

Kash Rangan

Management

$14 trillion, that's right, 2025. Thank you, guys.

Operator

Operator

That concludes today's conference call. I mean, the Q&A for today. Turning the call back over to the speakers.

Matt Puljiz

Management

Thanks for joining us, everyone. Have a good holiday.

Tooey Courtemanche

Founder

Thank you, everyone.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you all for participating. You may now disconnect.