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Douglas Dynamics, Inc. (PLOW)

Q2 2022 Earnings Call· Tue, Aug 2, 2022

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen and welcome to the Douglas Dynamics Second Quarter 2022 Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in a listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions]. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Ms. Sarah Lauber, Chief Financial Officer of Douglas Dynamics. Please go ahead, Ma'am.

Sarah Lauber

Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Please go ahead

Thank you. Welcome, everyone, and thank you for joining us on today's call. Before we begin, I'd like to remind you that some of the comments that will be made during this conference call, including answers to your questions will constitute forward-looking statements. These forward-looking statements are subject to risks that could cause actual results to be materially different. Those risks include, among others, matters that we have described in yesterday's press release and in our filings with the SEC. Joining me on the call today is Bob McCormick, our President and Chief Executive Officer. In a moment, Bob will provide an overview of our performance, then I'll review our financial results and guidance. After that, we'll open the call for your questions. With that, I'll hand the call to Bob.

Robert McCormick

Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Please go ahead

Thanks, Sarah. Good morning, everyone. As we noted in the press release, we are pleased with our results for the second quarter. We see continued strength and overall demand across our businesses. Our team is using its considerable ingenuity to address and work around the various industry wide challenges we continue to face. The Attachments segment reported strong results with record net sales and strong preseason orders. The Dilution segment continues to see strong demand, but is still facing macro economic headwinds from chassis supply and inflationary pressures. The strong demand outlook in both segments means we're well positioned for long-term success. The headwinds we outlined last quarter remain our biggest challenges today. First, we continue to see inflationary pressures which are negatively impacting margins. Second, labor market constraints, where our teams have found creative ways to attract and retain talent, and the situation is stable to slightly improved. Lastly, supply chain disruption and chassis availability. I'll speak more to chassis in just a minute. We continue to improve how we operate most effectively under these conditions. And while the macro economic constraints are not easy and significantly, the situation is more stable and changing less rapidly today than it was last year. Despite these limitations, we remain on track to deliver our full-year guidance, which we have narrowed towards the center of our original ranges. Now let's walk through each segment. Beginning with Work Truck Attachments, where we had another strong quarter, we produced a record net sales of $130.4 million more than 25% higher than second quarter of last year, almost $33.6 million of adjusted EBITDA, also above last year's number. So a great start to preseason orders. And we do expect to see the typical 55:45 ratio between second and third quarters this year. We do believe…

Sarah Lauber

Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Please go ahead

Thanks, Bob. We're pleased with our results for the quarter as we produced strong year-over-year top line growth and demand signals remain strong in both segments today. We also continued to navigate the ongoing impact of supply chain constraints and inflationary pressures and delivered earnings that met our expectations for the quarter. From a consolidated perspective, we generated record second quarter net sales of $187.6 million and gross profit of $51.2 million compared to net sales of $157.5 million and gross profit of $48.8 million during the second quarter of last year. Sales and gross profit both increased year-over-year as a result of strong preseason orders at Work Truck Attachments, and our implemented pricing increases over the past 12 months. SG&A expenses including amortization expense were $25.7 million, compared to $24.7 million during the second quarter of 2021. The increase is primarily due to inflationary pressures on salaries and benefits and increased discretionary spending as business conditions returned more towards normal. For the second quarter, we generated consolidated adjusted EBITDA of $34.1 million relatively flat compared to $33.5 million in the corresponding period of the prior-year. Our performance benefited year-over-year as a result of ongoing strong demand and a more predictable operating environment. While inflation continues to be an issue, the rate of cost increases have slowed. Interest expense was $2.5 million for the quarter lower than the $4.4 million incurred in the same period last year. The $1.9 million decrease was primarily due to lower interest paid on the term loan due to the decrease in principal balance from the June 2021 refinancing. Offsetting the favorable interest expense was the effective tax rate of 23.2% compared to 5.5% in the prior-year. The rate was higher in the current quarter due to a discrete tax benefit of $2.7 million stemming…

Operator

Operator

We will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions]. And the first question will come from Mike Shlisky with D.A. Davidson. Please go ahead.

Mike Shlisky

Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Please go ahead

Thank you. Bob, can I be asked first, how would you characterize this year's early order season in the attachment business? Would you say maybe your tenure at the company, it's at top three of all-time, top five best ever. Thought as to kind of where this year stands in the grand scheme of things?

Robert McCormick

Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Please go ahead

Sure. First off coming off of another slightly below average snowfall year, we had fairly modest expectations. Going into the preseason as I noted, the preseason orders were stronger than we anticipated. I don't know that I would call it a top 10. Because we've obviously had some snowfall driven record order periods over the course of the years. What I would suggest though is part of the reason for the strength, or these orders being stronger than we anticipated. When we talk to our dealers, and this is just how everybody's responding in these supply challenge times. Everybody is ramping up order books a little bit just because they're nervous about people's ability to meet demand. Now you know that we do that better than most and they know that what we promise we will deliver. But in our dialogue with a fair amount of our top dealers. They're probably moving a little bit of Q4 orders into this preseason order book, just to make sure that they're ready for the retail selling season.

Mike Shlisky

Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Please go ahead

Great, thank you for that, especially the solutions typically just been characterized for how far out do you think the backlog stretches at this point to hazard a guess. I appreciate just how much you -- how far out you actually booked at this point?

Robert McCormick

Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Please go ahead

Yes, we've said over the last number of quarters that we have record backlog in our solution segment. I don't know that we've given any quantitative data there, but it certainly is, is between one and two years' worth of revenue, which is robust. I will tell you that that we haven't seen order pace or people's interest slowing at this point. There's obviously talk about an economic slowdown, but we've got a fair amount of our end user base is still sitting on some pretty good budgets. They still have money to spend. And even as we look out into 2023, even past 2023, the vast majority of those end user customers are anxious to get their hands on that product. So still very robust demand. And while I'm sure we'll see some order cancellations down the road, we're not expecting that to be of a material nature at all. It is really, Mike, what gives us confidence in our Solutions Group, getting back to the levels of profit that Sarah wants from them simply because as you know, it's a highly fixed cost, it's a high fixed cost business model. And you have to move velocity through those upfits centers to drive the incremental profit through so, when we start to see chassis free up, we think pretty good things are going to happen.

Mike Shlisky

Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Please go ahead

Got it. I wanted to also follow-up on your comment about some of the final mile chassis, supply getting a bit better here, or at least some positive direction there. I know small part of the business today but can you give us some thoughts as to how you're addressing that market, it appears to be had some double-digit tailwind even through a recession? I'm wondering if you're making any extra efforts there to get to the penetration of next couple of quarters?

Robert McCormick

Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Please go ahead

Yes, excellent question. Mike, yes one of the areas of focus for us, over the past 12, 18 months has been to reposition our final mile product offering, we introduced a brand new set of van shelving design in the fourth quarter of last year. And that's now hitting the market. It's been very well received. And we've got some other product launches slated for the fourth quarter of this year that are under wraps from a confidentiality perspective. But it will also flow nicely into that final mile product offering. So we think when Sarah quotes, some of the solution, long-term growth rates, us participating in a greater degree in the final mile growth part of the industry is certainly a component of that.

Mike Shlisky

Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Please go ahead

Great, if I could squeeze one last one in here quickly. Sarah, can you review just your interest costs and cash needs for interest going forward? What percentage is fixed at this point? And do you think changes in interest costs will have any bearing on earnings or cash flow over the next couple of quarters over 12 months or so?

Sarah Lauber

Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Please go ahead

Yes, absolutely, Mike. We are seeing improved interest year-over-year, as you know from the refinancing. But we are into our revolver more this year than we had been historically in large part of due to the inflationary costs and of our inventory and the pricing that we have in AR. So when I think about the interest rate, we are fixed about 80% to 85% of our debt is fixed rate, our revolver is not. I think a good proxy to use for interest would be taking our second quarter interest and assuming that relatively flat, Q3 and Q4. It is a key focus area for us as we exit the year and get our inventory levels back down.

Mike Shlisky

Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Please go ahead

Okay, okay. Make sense, I'll pass it along. Thanks so much, guys.

Operator

Operator

The next question will come from Tim Wojs with Baird. Please go ahead.

Timothy Wojs

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead

Hey, everybody. Good morning. Maybe just to start on price costs. Could you just review a little bit how that impacted the second quarter and then just maybe the magnitude of maybe how that improves in the back half of the year and into '23?

Sarah Lauber

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead

Yes, absolutely. I'll jump in here, Tim. When we think about the price cost relationship. First, I'll say inflation as you've seen among all companies, it's still ongoing. I would say that the increases have somewhat slowed. And we expect a lot of moving variables between now and the end of the year. We've seen some things come down but then we are still seeing some higher costs, natural gas, fuel, et cetera still coming through at higher rates. So from my perspective, the price cost relationship for Douglas is playing out as we had expected, it is different by business, I would say through the second quarter in total, Douglas has covered inflation dollar for dollar. But as you know, solutions is the one area where we have been impacted more so because of some of our long-term contracts. And I expect that to continue through the end of the year. I've talked about low single-digit EBITDA for solutions, a large part of that is price cost. And then the other piece of that is getting volume through. So that will continue through the end of the year.

Timothy Wojs

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead

Okay, good. And then I guess on the solutions business, I mean, you have taken out costs and improved some of the throughput and efficiencies and things that we just, I just can't see it. So when you start seeing more material volume growth in that business, how should we think about the incrementals?

Sarah Lauber

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead

Yes, fair question. I think, in large part, when you think about the improvements that we expect, for solutions getting back to the 19 levels, very much dependent on the chassis supply, and when we start getting back to pre-pandemic levels. I think from a cost reduction standpoint, as you know, we've had a lot of really positive projects, that that are really just highly dependent on the volume going through. And that will be a key part of getting back to the low teens EBITDA levels.

Timothy Wojs

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead

Okay. And then, I guess, just on the labor side of the equation, I guess, particularly in solutions, how are you positioned, if demand or chassis supply would actually surprise to the upside?

Robert McCormick

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead

Yes, excellent point. In the up-fit Solutions business, a lot of that, that shop floor labor is highly skilled labor, because you're building custom vehicles, and everything can be different than the one that you just finished building. So it's almost to a degree, that labor pool is a little bit more fixed than it is variable, because you can afford to lose those folks. So that's that when you're in the downturn part of the cycle, you're carrying a little higher cost there, Tim. But the flip side of that coin is, when we start to see chassis flow, again, we've already got a pretty stable group of folks there that can handle the initial load. Now, we're certainly going to have the ramp up there, because we have made some cuts over the past couple of years. But the initial surge, or the slow improvement ought to be very manageable for us there. But as I said earlier, we're sitting on quite a backlog. And our hunch is that chassis improvements aren't going to turn on a dime and go from zero to 60 overnight, it will be a steady improvement flow. So we should be able to manage that effectively through the labor pool on that side of our business.

Timothy Wojs

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead

Okay. Good. And then just the last one, I mean, how would you enter this a lot of moving parts, but how would you think free cash flow for '22 kind of ends up?

Sarah Lauber

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead

Yes, when I think about free cash flow, I was just talking to Mike about inventory, that's probably the largest variable that may differ from last year. Our working capital now I expect could be five to 10 million higher than where we landed last year. Everything else is, relatively stable cash interest, similar to last year, or $10 million to $11 million. I'll just put that out there. Our tax rate 25% to 26% and our CapEx at 3% of sales as we've been at so, that basically gets you into the lower 40s, which is slightly lower than last year, but very dependent on how our working capital plays out for the last six months.

Timothy Wojs

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead

In on that $5 million to $10 million of working capital is that all inflation?

Sarah Lauber

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead

Yes. I mean, when you think about the percentage of inflation we've seen, I'd say yes.

Timothy Wojs

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead

Okay. Okay, good. All right. That's the sort of got. So thanks for your time and good luck on the rest of the year.

Robert McCormick

Analyst · Baird. Please go ahead

Thanks, Tim.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Bob McCormick for any closing remarks. Please go ahead, sir.

Robert McCormick

Analyst · D.A. Davidson. Please go ahead

Thanks. As always, thanks for your interest in Douglas Dynamics. We look forward to seeing many of you at upcoming conferences this fall. Have a terrific day and stay safe.

Operator

Operator

The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.