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RCM Technologies, Inc. (RCMT)

Q2 2023 Earnings Call· Thu, Aug 10, 2023

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Operator

Operator

Welcome to the RCM Technology Second Quarter Earnings Call. I will now turn the call over to Kevin Miller, you may begin.

Kevin Miller

Management

Good morning. And thank you for joining us. This is Kevin Miller, Chief Financial Officer of RCM Technologies. I'm joined today by Brad Vizi, RCM’s Executive Chairman. Our presentation in this call will contain forward-looking statements. The information contained in the forward-looking statements is based on our beliefs, estimates, assumptions, and information currently available to us. And these matters may materially change in the future. Many of these beliefs estimates and assumptions are subject to rapid changes. For more information on our forward-looking statements, and the risks, uncertainties and other factors to which they're subject. Please see the periodic reports on forms 10-K and 10-Q and 8-K that we filed with the SEC, as well as our press releases that we issue from time-to-time. I will now turn over the call to Brad Vizi. Executive Chairman to provide an overview of RCM’s operating performance during the quarter.

Brad Vizi

Management

Thanks, Kevin. Good morning, everyone. Consistent with our prior discussion, after starting the year off slow due to project timing, and a key client's unexpected program loss impacting the first half. We made the decision to maintain stride in building what we believe to be a highly differentiated platform in the professional service and marketplace. Our secular growth markets and strong portfolio of capabilities made the decision to ignore the perpetual drumbeat of economic prognostications an easy one. In fact, as with any economic scare, we knew we would be in position to take advantage of opportunities to further strengthen the business and enhance long-term returns while others taking a more short-term approach tap the brakes. Since we last spoke, progress has been made across each of our divisions, and I am excited to discuss in more detail starting with our healthcare division. RCM’s Healthcare Division continues to raise the bar in various aspects of the business. Our commitment to delivering best in class staffing services and solutions has led us to focus on several key areas. First and foremost, our steadfast dedication to improving the delivery of behavioral healthcare too has seen very positive outcomes and growth in new school districts nationwide. By implementing innovative and evidence-based approaches, we have made significant strides in addressing the behavioral and mental health challenges facing children and their ability to learn and succeed in schools. Moreover, our effort to expand our school and healthcare facility clients have not only broadened our reach, but also strengthened our ties with local communities and providers. These initiatives have bolstered client penetration and allowed us to serve more students and patients in need, making a sustainable impact. We have also invested significantly in technology to enhance the applicant user experience and optimize operational efficiency. This digital…

Kevin Miller

Management

Thank you, Brad. Regarding our consolidated results revenue for the second quarter was 67.0 million flat with the first quarter of 2023. As we expected the second quarter decline in healthcare we offset by sequential increases by engineering and our Life Sciences and Information Technology segments. The second quarter seasonal decline in Healthcare revenue was entirely due to several of our significant school clients closing in May, and all of our school clients closing by late June. We will still see greater seasonal declines in Q3. While we gear up for the 2023, 2024 school year that starts in August and September for various school clients. We're incredibly excited about this upcoming school year. I want to give some limited information on our non-COVID related school business. In fiscal 2022, we had about 60 active school clients with 22 exceeding 100k in revenue. That compares to fiscal 2019 when we had only six clients over 100k in revenue. For fiscal 2023 we expect at least 75 school clients with 30 over 100k in revenue. We saw a nice sequential uptick in engineering revenue in Q2 '23 driven mainly by the increase in energy services contract wins. We expect our engineering group to sequence sequential increases throughout the rest of 2023. As Brad discussed, our Life Sciences and Information Technology segment had a nice sequential increase as our managed service offerings continue to drive our growth. Gross margin in the second quarter was 28.0% also flat with the first quarter. We saw outstanding gross margin performance from our Life Sciences and IT segment at 39.4% While this may be a high watermark, we do expect to see gross margins in the upper thirties going forward. Engineering gross margin saw a small sequential uptick as revenue increase. However, we expect better gross…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. And it looks like our first question is going to come from Alex Rygiel with B. Riley. Your line is open.

Alex Rygiel

Analyst

Good morning, gentlemen. Very nice quarter.

Kevin Miller

Management

Thank you. Good morning.

Brad Vizi

Management

Thanks, Alex.

Alex Rygiel

Analyst

First in the Healthcare business as it relates to the third quarter, can you help us refine what normal seasonality what you mean by that? Obviously, a little bit difficult to look at that over the last two, three years, given that COVID.

Kevin Miller

Management

Yeah, and we, we typically see a pretty, pretty big decline, Q2 to Q3. An exact projection is difficult, especially with all the new schools that we have coming on, and some of them coming on in August when they've dipped. Typically most of our schools started in the past starting in September.

Alex Rygiel

Analyst

Okay, and then --

Kevin Miller

Management

But just to give you a little finer point, certainly will be under 30 million, in Q3. It's tough to give an exact number, but maybe 25 to 29, 25 to 28, sort of in that range. We'll see where it comes in.

Alex Rygiel

Analyst

Helpful. And then your margin commentary in that segment would suggest high twenties. Last year, you were in the low thirties in the second half of the year. So, is the variance just sort of mix or is it something?

Kevin Miller

Management

Yeah, we had a confluence of factors in Q2 that I think created, a gross margin for healthcare that is not indicative of the actual margin. But I think the way that you should think about the gross margin in healthcare is, we did 28.8 year-to-date. And, I think that's a pretty good number on a go forward basis, we're always looking to improve the margin. The thing that there's a fair amount of uncertainty around healthcare, just because, we have a lot of new contracts. And we never know exactly how they're going to really start with a lot of these new schools. But certainly, I think that 28.8% indicates a pretty good range. I would be surprised if our margins in Q3 and Q4 are in the 28% to 29% area. And hopefully we're pushing up towards the top of that.

Alex Rygiel

Analyst

It’s good. Thank you, very much.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is going to come from Bill Sutherland from Benchmark. Your line is open.

Bill Sutherland

Analyst

Thank you, hey guys. Great work. Things on Specialty Healthcare. Kevin, can you just tell me, or tell us I'm sorry, the revenue in the quarter from school clients?

Kevin Miller

Management

I need to grab that. Actually don't have that open. You have another question?

Bill Sutherland

Analyst

Yeah, you kind of, when you were running through the clients this year, last year, and those over 1,00,000. I didn't quite get last year with 60 clients and how many? Over 1,00,000? A – Kevin Miller : We had over we had about 20, we had 22 to over 100k and compares with when we only had about six. -- Yeah. So and, obviously pick 2019. And that's a pre-COVID year. And, the business has changed quite a bit since 2019, as we've added so many new school clients.

Bill Sutherland

Analyst

Are you finding that the deals that you're winning in schools are, broader in terms of the roles? And just, it sounds like it's given the sauces?

Kevin Miller

Management

Yeah, every school is different Bill. Frankly, sometimes when we went to school, it's just nursing, sometimes when we went to school, it's just behavioral health. But we -- usually we're entering with one service, but oftentimes, the next school year, we get to introduce a second. So, it's different from -- there's so many nuances to the different school systems, it's hard to give you sort of a blanket answer. But usually, when we enter into a school, it's one service. And we often get to expand the following year to another service.

Bill Sutherland

Analyst

And in Life Science, when you're seeing this nice expansion in gross margin, and I'd say assume it's tied to the expansion of Life Sci. Is that just pricing? Or is that something about? How you can optimally run those, those pieces of business?

Brad Vizi

Management

Yeah, good question Bill. Not pricing at all, actually, in fact, it's primarily mixed driven. And, this is -- these wheels were set in motion about three years ago, as when you looked at the Life Sciences and IT business, it was primarily a Staffing business. And we made the strategic decision to move more towards a solutions and managed service-based model. And, naturally, that comes with a higher margin profile. And, can be stickier as well, as you continue to deliver more value to clients. So, as part of that progression, naturally, your team evolves. So, we saw this throughout different parts of the portfolio, obviously, outside of Life Sciences and IT. And I think this is the point in the lifecycle where they're at, where the business has kind of hit a tipping point. And I personally think that a lot of that is talent driven naturally, you wouldn't necessarily have the same set of folks focused on staffing that you would on solutions and managed services. And so it gives me further confidence in the dynamic and the drivers there is, as we continue to fortify the team, and build it out. So, that's one area, one part of the portfolio but we expect exciting things going forward. [Multiple Speakers].

Bill Sutherland

Analyst

Yeah. Go ahead Kevin.

Kevin Miller

Management

I was just going to give you the school stuff. But if you have some more questions on Life Sciences, go ahead.

Bill Sutherland

Analyst

Well, just, I was curious kind of where you've gotten managed services as a percent of revenue, ballpark?

Brad Vizi

Management

Yeah. So, when you look at solutions and managed services, we're well under half at this point. Overhead, a little under half or under, up from roughly 5%.

Kevin Miller

Management

So, the school the school revenue in Q2 of 2023 was 26.5 million. And we were just a shade over $9 million for non-school.

Bill Sutherland

Analyst

You said 22. You meant this year?

Kevin Miller

Management

I meant this year Q2 of ’23 sorry about that. Yes.

Bill Sutherland

Analyst

26.5.

Kevin Miller

Management

Roughly 75% of our business, in Q2 was cool. So, it's pretty consistent with Q1.

Bill Sutherland

Analyst

Okay. I guess you saw on your non-school business kinds of same trend that the pure plays in that side were reported?

Kevin Miller

Management

Yeah, I think it pretty much lines up. We're -- we expect to see growth there going forward though. I mean, we had a little bit of a sequential decline, but that was really almost entirely driven by one client that was scaling back, some of their some of their expenses. So -- I, we've got plenty of room to grow our non-school business.

Bill Sutherland

Analyst

Okay. Last one on deployment, I guess you're are going to continue with this very successful path you've had as opposed to anything related to a dividend, special dividend or tender or anything that might be outside of that. That tap to bid on?

Kevin Miller

Management

All avenues are open Bill, all avenues. But, we think the stock is trading at a very attractive price. And let me see if -- look at my screen real fast here. Yeah. 1649. And, that kind of makes the decision pretty easy.

Bill Sutherland

Analyst

Okay, guys, thanks a lot, for sure.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question is going to come from Frank Kelly. Your line is open

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Hello, guys. Hi, Kevin. Hi, Brad. How are you guys?

Kevin Miller

Management

Good.

Brad Vizi

Management

Very good.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Good Life Science and IT to striking almost 40% I think that has to go. That has to go marked pretty hard. That's great. And hopefully, the other sectors will come in come in the line as well. As we add value, one question, if we can shift over to the, to the balance sheet. Looking at gross AR can you shed some light as to why we had a 32% increase in AR over the Q? And, obviously, cash is king, and it also drives over to the P&L on the interest costs? Can you help us -- help me understand or help us understand? What is? And obviously what's not happening in AR?

Kevin Miller

Management

Sure, sure. Well to be really frank with you, Frank, the AR is just too high and Q2, there's a whole there's, as I'm sure you can appreciate, there's not one reason for it, there's a couple, but -- and we look at DSOs as opposed to as opposed to the dollar amount. But you get to the same conclusion, which is the DSOs and Q2 are just high and we'll bring them -- So, I expect the DSOs to come down. And as Q3 is a seasonal low quarter for us. So, we should see a pretty nice to find in Q3 in the receivable dollars. And I expect DSOs to be much better in Q4 as well Obviously, depending on where revenues come in Q4. We may or may not see a decrease in AR. But I'm confident we'll see a decrease in the DSOs in Q4. I'm glad you asked about cash flow because obviously we're pretty -- despite the poor performance in our trade receivables in Q4, we did see really good cash flow in Q2. And for the year we're at 16.5 million for cash flow from operating activities. So, we're pretty happy with the overall cash flow but we can do better with the receivables and we will.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Great, yeah, I just we're looking at borrowings and then translates down to interest and things like that. It just seems like an opportunity that we're not really capitalizing. But I'm sure you guys are -- where are we at DSOs in Q1 versus Q2?

Kevin Miller

Management

I don't have the exact numbers in front of me, Frank, but they're too high. So, they're just there, they need to come down. But -- and they will as I said. And, I think the more important takeaway is that, as I mentioned, in the press release, we expect to see really nice cash flow in the second half of this year, particularly in Q3. Right, and just to be to, obviously, we're always looking to drive our debt down and drive interest cost down. But, we're pretty proud of, and happy with where our debt is right now, relative to all the shares that we've purchased. And, but we can do a better job with receivables. And if our debt goes up, and our balance sheet looks good. And if our debt is going up, because we're buying shares, we're happy to pay less interest.

Brad Vizi

Management

Two other data points, I just throw in there if I can. So, obviously, after the close of the quarter collections have been good so far. But also, in addition to that, setting our capital allocation decisions aside, clicking on the share repurchase front, as fast forward the next couple of quarters, I would anticipate debt levels being relatively modest if we have debt at all. As we move into the fourth, so, we felt pretty good where the balance sheets at. But the point your highlight is very relevant, and so --

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Great, no, I appreciate it understood. And I see where we're heading. And that sounds like a very good direction. That's all.

Brad Vizi

Management

Thank you, Frank.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Okay, doesn't look like there are any more questions in queue. So, I will turn it back over to you for any closing remarks.

Brad Vizi

Management

Thanks, operator. Thank you for attending RCM second quarter conference call. We look forward to our next update in November.

Operator

Operator

This concludes your call. You may now disconnect.