Good day, ladies and gentlemen and welcome to the Q4 2019 Sunrun Inc. Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to your host, Patrick Jobin, Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Thank you, operator and thank you to those on the call for joining us today. Before we begin, please note that certain remarks we will make on this conference call constitute forward-looking statements. Although we believe these statements reflect our best judgment based on factors currently known to us, actual results may differ materially and adversely. Please refer to the company’s filings with the SEC for a more inclusive discussion of risks and other factors that may cause our actual results to differ from projections made in any forward-looking statements. Please also note that these statements are being made as of today and we disclaim any obligation to update or revise them. On the call today are Lynn Jurich, Sunrun’s Co-Founder and CEO; Bob Komin, Sunrun’s CFO; and Ed Fenster, Sunrun’s Co-Founder and Executive Chairman. The presentation today will use slides, which are available on our website at investors.sunrun.com. And now, let me turn the call to Lynn.

Thanks, Patrick. We are pleased to share Sunrun’s fourth quarter and full year results and progress against our strategic priorities. In 2019, we generated $102 million in cash exceeding our annual target. We also grew our customer base by 22%, while increasing adoption of Brightbox, our solar and battery service. We added as many customers as the next two largest residential providers combined. In the fourth quarter, we added 15,600 customers representing 117 megawatts of deployment and 9% sequential increase from the third quarter and the highest quarterly volume in the company’s history. At a 6% discount rate, we generated $100 million of net present value and created NPV per watt of $1.13 or over 8,700 per customer. I am pleased to report that we have worked through most of our construction labor bottlenecks which limited our growth last year. We have reduced the number of open positions in our installation organization from around 300 last quarter to about 100 today in line with our growing business. Open positions in our sales organization are now over 300 and this is typical as we ramp hiring into the busy summer season. As the leading national company, Sunrun offers purposeful and mission-driven careers and a competitive total benefits package that allows us to standout when we recruit. We have aspirations to lead the development of the decentralized clean energy industry and are building differentiation through customer reach, customer experience and product differentiation. For example, an existing big box retail partner has noted our differentiated execution capabilities and we have the opportunity to expand into another 200 stores which could grow our footprint with this retailer by over 20%. We are also investing in batter attachment rates and grid services business development. With many of these grid services programs, utilities will market to…

Thanks, Lynn. NPV in the fourth quarter was approximately $8,700 per customer or $1.13 per watt. For the full year 2019, NPV per watt was $1.05. Project value was approximately $30,700 per customer or $4 per watt in Q4. Now turning to creation costs on Slide 8, in Q4, total creation costs were approximately $22,100 per customer, or $2.87 per watt, an improvement of $0.30 or 10% from the fourth quarter of 2018. As with project value, creation costs can fluctuate quarter-to-quarter. As a reminder, our cost stack is not directly comparable to those peers because of our channel partner business. Blended installation cost per watt, which includes the cost of solar projects deployed by our channel partners as well as installation costs incurred for Sunrun-built systems, was $2.25 per watt, a $0.23 improvement from the fourth quarter of 2018. Installed costs for systems built by Sunrun were $1.96 per watt flat year-over-year. In Q4, our sales and marketing costs were $0.69 per watt, down $0.11 from Q3. Our total sales and marketing unit costs are calculated by dividing cost in the period by total megawatts deployed. A higher mix of direct business results in higher reported sales and marketing cost per watt, but it also means there will be lower blended installation costs per watt over time due to the higher mix of Sunrun-built systems at a lower cost per watt. In Q4, G&A costs were $0.23 per watt, an improvement of $0.02 from Q3. Finally, when we calculate creation costs, we subtract the GAAP gross margin contribution realized from our platform services. This includes our distribution racking and lead generation businesses as well as solar systems we sell for cash or with a third-party loan. Our platform services gross margin was $0.31 per watt in Q4, $0.05 higher…

Thanks Bob. Today, I am going to discuss capital cots, asset performance and recap our investment tax credit safe harbor program. First, I am pleased to share that capital costs for residential solar assets continued to decline. Market data points now clearly support a weighted average cost of capital of less than 5%. Measured at a 5% capital cost, total net earning assets would be approximately $2 billion or about 30% more than when measured at 6%. At 5%, contracted net earning assets would be approximately $580 million or about 55% greater than when measured at 6%. At 5%, our 2019 additions to net earning assets, which have been $191 million, 62% greater than when measured at 6% and finally at 5% our full year NPV per watt which have been about $1.35 or $10,700 per customer, both about 30% greater than when measured at 6%. In addition, I am pleased to share that ABS lenders and the key rating agency are beginning to note that our pools are performing than peers both in the loan and lease arenas. This month, we are entering the company’s 13th year and across all those years we have collected $0.99 on the $1 billed. Although it takes many years for our superior customer value proposition, consultative sales practices and high construction quality to manifest themselves than long-term observable data versus peers, we believe at this time is soon upon us. Since December 2018, we have raised $834 million in three public ABS transactions. We expect our next transaction will be ready for market in the second half. However, given the election, other global events and our strong capitalization, we may delay it or other transactions into 2021, if we believe doing so will result in better execution. We may also execute a smaller…

Thanks, Ed and let’s open the line for questions, please.

[Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from the line of Michael Weinstein from Credit Suisse. Please ask your question.

Hi, guys.

Hi.

Hey. So it sounds like the labor shortages are starting to abate and I am wondering if you could talk about the 2020 growth rate that you are projecting and how much of that is impacted due to the ongoing problem as it starts to get solved this year? And is there any visibility at the end of this market or any visibility towards when it will finish?

So I think we believe that labor situation has stabilized. So as we described in the comments we went from 300 open positions down to 100 which is pretty normal and even 300 opening on the sales side is also pretty normal in terms of ramp rates we have seen in the past. So we are vigilantly watching because of the tight labor market, but it’s nothing that we don’t have the recruiters or pipeline to staff. So it’s really not a feature in terms of restraining anything or worry for us for hitting the growth targets for the year.

And you talked a little bit about the cost of installing batteries and the cost of battery acquisition, is that – those costs expect to go down over time so that they will start contributing to NPV per watt?

Absolutely. We are thrilled with the acceleration in battery adoption despite the fact that there is still fairly high cost. The value proposition is strong, but they shouldn’t cost what they do. So if you just look at the cost curve of the lithium-ion cells and what’s happened historically, that’s been pretty significant declines. But the retail price of the actual boxes that we are buying has held. So there is really still a lot of margin in there in the packaging, in the installation, that is just learning curve scale stuff and with more competition coming in, that obviously will help as well. So if we look out through the year, we expect to double battery deployments despite the fact we are not projecting any in-year pricing improvements. So I think that just underscores how primed this will be when we get to a place where the battery prices start to be realized.

Hey, one last question, considering everybody’s word about a recession right now, maybe you can just talk again once again about where you think the industry is going and where Sunrun – what will happen to Sunrun in the case of a major recession that might happen?

Yes, I will start and Ed will, I am sure, have some opinions on this as well. What’s interesting is that in many cases, we could be countercyclical products. So we are a savings product for the household. So sometimes one of the reasons why customers don’t choose to adopt solar is they are just waiting or if they are not compelled to do it now. And so in moments where people are looking to savings matter more is actually can be a reason to create the urgency in the sales process that we don’t always see. So that’s certainly important. Did you want to add anything in?

Sure. I would say on the financial market side, I would highlight two components. First, generally, you see significantly lower interest rates manifest themselves in times of recession, which obviously is helpful to the company. And we are most able to differentiate from a capital – from a project finance perspective actually in adverse markets. The most recent example of that was December of 2018 when we priced our asset-backed security transaction inside of the price that peer had achieved at the same time in the market and with about 10 points of additional leverage I believe. We are a bellwether and a trusted issuer in that market and tend to see our spread benefits versus peers expand in slightly more adverse conditions. So I don’t have concerns as to capital availability for costs broadly, but obviously as you can share in the script, we want to leave ourselves a little more flexibility than usual as to when we would perform these transactions given our strong balance sheet gives us that flexibility.

I think one other point of appreciate why again the residential business we think is so compelling is that we also raise all the capital ahead of signing up any customers. So we have the – we know the cost of capital before we price and then sign up a customer, which gives you don’t get stuck with the backlog of promise.

And finally I would note we – obviously we have been in business since 2007. We have performance data from the great recession. We collected $0.99 on the $1 through the company’s history, including at that time so feel good about that as well.

Great. Thank you very much.

Your next question comes from the line of Brian Lee from Goldman Sachs. Please ask your question.

Hey, everyone. Thanks. Thanks for taking the questions. Maybe the first one on guidance, not to get to bogged down on the shorter term trends, but the guidance of 102 megawatts for Q1 does put you at 18% growth year-on-year. So I guess that implies basic math and moderation in year-on-year growth through the rest of the year given the 15% full year growth outlook. Can you maybe talk a bit about the cadence this year? What’s impacting that? And especially, since it would seem like comps are pretty easy for you in the second half given last year’s labor issues?

Thanks, Brian. Yes, so the 18% I think that 18% benefit for Q1 benefited a bit from some of the projects that were in the backlog in Q4. Now, you can only install so much in the winter time and we do feel like we are caught up on the labor issue there. So we do believe that we have good visibility for the rest of year to hit the 15. I think we are just trying to just stay give ourselves some flexibility and stay disciplined in terms of continuing to try to maintain our unit level economic targets continuing to really invest in the right channels that we think are really durable long term. So that’s where the growth rate comes out for us.

Okay, fair enough. That makes sense. And then maybe just second question for Ed on the strategy around raising capital, a smaller deal earlier in the year, where it sounds like the base case ABS somewhere in the back half of the year, lot of volatility in the markets right now you have the election later in the year. I know there is a lot of moving pieces you are analyzing, but generally speaking, cost of capital is pretty darn low these days, so how much of this is strategizing around that potentially going lower? I think the markets are pricing in more cuts through the year and how much of this is strategizing around just whether or not you need the capital earlier in the year, later in the year? It sounds like you have visibility through Q4 right now with the finance that you – financing you have already secured and have term sheets on. So trying to understand a little bit of the puts and takes as to what pulls these forward in the year or what keeps you sort of waiting till later in the year in terms of the next ABS here? Thanks.

Sure. Great question, Brian. So we had a robust 2019 in the project finance area having raised approximately $2.5 billion of capital across all areas of the non recourse project finance stack. And so we start 2020 in a position where we are mostly filling our aggregation facilities have a lot of undrawn capital and so in ordinary course it probably would not make sense for us to do a major transaction until the third quarter if rates continue to be extremely attractive we might do something a little bit earlier it might end up therefore little smaller and also we don’t want to commit to entering into a transaction two weeks after the election so I am very confident that there are many paths to a great outcome this year both because to your point we have a war chest of undrawn committed capital and multiple opportunities to term things out into the financial markets it is just obviously now it is a unique time to be making full year projections and so we are just going to be watching things carefully and doing our best to be executing as advantageous fashions we can.

And Brian one thing that I would just add to on the growth rate the way we think about growth rate is really more around aggregate value that you are going to grow and so certainly the rate matters I think the aggregate amount you grow matters even more and if you just look at our performance historically we installed more than the next two competitors combined in the years of the scale our scale is quite substantial. And then if you just look at the per unit value we also have superior customer unit level economics. So growth rate matters, but quantity times value matters as well. So we are really looking at all three of those.

Okay, great. Yes, understood. Maybe last housekeeping one and I will pass it on the creation costs have kind of jumped around the year throughout the year get to see the reduction that you saw in Q4, that was encouraging, but it sounds like you mentioned there might have been some unique circumstances in the quarter that drove it? I don’t know if I missed them, can you kind of elaborate on what those were and if any of those do persist into 2020?

Yes, Brian, good question. We did say that there were – that it was somewhat unusual in Q4 that we did have some mix issues with lower value projects that had also some lower costs. We also had a higher than trend percentage of cash systems which also helped the platform services margin in Q4 which was up about $0.05 over Q3. That we think is going to revert back to more where it’s been the last – the previous couple of quarters. So, yes, we don’t believe that, that lower rate will continue going forward and there were some benefits.

One thing I might add is it is typical in Q4 that you see lower selling expenses, because you have relatively higher installation volume than new customer origination. You can see that in historical Q4 as well. Obviously, the installation backlog played a factor for us there as well. And so that cost – the sales and marketing cost per unit was especially low as a result of that.

Okay, makes sense. Thanks everyone.

Thanks, Brian.

Your next question comes from the line of Mark Strouse from JPMorgan. Please ask your question.

Yes, good evening. Thank you very much for taking our questions. I was hoping you could just touch on the California new home mandates, just the changes that SMUD is implementing, what are your expectations as far as other utilities following suits, can you talk about your recent discussions with homebuilders since that announcement? And then lastly kind of, what are you baking in as far as potential impact to 2020 guidance? Thank you.

Sure. First, I would say the biggest impact of the California new mandate is really not going to be the specific megawatts we are going to develop on new homes in the next couple of years, but it’s just the normalization of it. It’s the fact that it’s going to be more commonplace that people aren’t afraid of harder to sell their home. That people are more comfortable with it. That is I think – and the fact that California is committing to a decentralized grip, essentially with this policy, that’s what they have done. And when you talk to the people who have made that decision was quite deliberate. In terms of our discussion with homebuilders, they are progressing very nicely. We are in discussions or engage with 20 out of the top 30 builders at this point. It’s not going to be a material amount of megawatts this year as I have continued to say because builders just have to pull permits this year, the way you win a builder over it, you get one community and then you prove yourself and then you expand. So it’s a little bit of a slower build there, something we are investing in and we want to take more share in but it’s not a huge piece of the current plan. In terms of the SMUD decision where I don’t think this is meaningful at all. First of all, builders like solar. They want to put solar on the roof. They make more money when they put solar in the roof. There is this huge misconception that it costs more money, it doesn’t. With out solar as a service business model, it’s no upfront cost to builder, it’s no upfront cost to the buyer, it’s cheaper electricity. So it is a really attractive product and you see leaders like Lennar moved to 100% solar before the mandate was even there, because it’s a more attractive product. And the SMUD decision doesn’t prevent builders from putting it on the roof, it just allows for community solar as well which we applaud. People who can get solar on the roof, that’s great. It shouldn’t – they can buy it from the community solar, but SMUD is very specific and that they own their own generation as well. So we don’t think of it as a big issue. I think the facts – to support the fact that builders want this and consumers want it and that will carry the day.

One thing I would add just as a personal prediction is that as you know reliability is just a key issue in California and solar – and when homes are paired with solar and storage, you get a real key differentiated sale feature that is – that the homebuilder can use to market the home. And so I suspect that particularly in the investor-owned utilities service territories, you will see builders start to move more towards storage and solar combined, because that is a true differentiated and important factor that is on the minds of California homebuyers today.

Okay, that was very helpful. Thank you. Lastly, you touched on the five grid services projects and mentioned you have a strong pipeline, how should we think about new agreements being signed this year, are those customers kind of waiting for or are those partners kind of waiting for more evidence coming out of the existing projects you have or do you think some of those will be signed over the near-term?

Some in the pipeline. I don’t think they are waiting for success we already have that points that we can comment and share We're already participating in programs in California, and in Massachusetts, where we can show data that is working and we are delivering the capacity and aggregate in the assets appropriately so we have good proof points already it is just a slow sale cycle product when you are working with utilities and our municipalities. So our strategy is really to in parallel we just want to go direct to consumers and put solar batteries and get the costs as low as possible to put it on as many households as possible that’s strategy number one in parallel we are working all these business development relationships with the utilities and grid operators and other operators of the electricity system to open those markets out for us so we are going to have those two strategies in parallel we are not relying on these grids services programs but there should be a good competitive advantage to us and they should also help on the customer acquisition costs because a feature of some of these programs is that the utility will impact market to their consumers which should help us to acquire customers and more affordable way.

Okay very helpful. Thank you very much.

Thank you

Your next question comes from the line of Eric Lee from Bank of America. Please ask your question.

Hey good afternoon. Thanks for taking the question. Can you hear me?

Yes.

Perfect. So just to discuss drivers for NPV for ‘20 relative to ‘19 with your guidance for at or above, can you discuss what is supporting that just in terms of drivers you see?

Sure, So I think that there are a couple of puts and takes so one the increasing storage percentage is going to bring us that project value as well as a little bit of a cost but we are going to be able to moderate that cost by insulation improvements and other efficiencies so whereas the cost stack is going to look somewhat flat overall it is actually the battery is becoming if you look at the Sunrun built costs for example the batteries becoming about $0.20 to $0.25 of that cost stack whereas last year it was $0.09 so you have to on the cost side you would need to overcome that with efficiencies which is what we plan to do so that’s where you are going to see the NPV be stable if not improved for the year.

Got it. With the cost reduction efforts that you highlighted as well as the ITC safe harbor strategy implemented how do you think about a long-term sustained trajectory for NPV into ‘21 and beyond?

Let me just rephrase the question was keeping in mind changes in the tax credit and also the safe harbor program what do you see is the long term trend in NPV was that the question

Yes that’s correct as well as given the cost reduction efforts you highlighted.

Yes. So I would say we don’t we believe we can sustain the dollar flat through the entire step down. So in our investor deck there is a slide in there that also supports us that shows that what we would need to do to maintain neutrality on that is to improve cost by about 4% every year and raise pricing by about 2% each year so we think that is incredibly doable. So – and that only envisions solar, so it doesn’t necessarily envision the fact that consumers are willing to pay even more money to add the battery and that there is also additional sources of value that can come from the grid services type programs for the battery. So putting that aside, we think we are well on the path to be able to absorb those declines and have the competitive advantage. At our scale right now, we have safe harbored, I believe more megawatts than any other company. There is no reason why we wouldn’t be able to continue to do that. So that should be a margin that we are able to capture uniquely.

Got it. Appreciate it. And lastly, how you think about cash-in levels for ‘20 and beyond and maybe use of cash expectations around that?

Well, the – we are generating cash. So I mean, in use of cash such as buying back the stock of dividend, is that your question?

Yes, like capital allocation from that perspective, just given the $100 million plus cash-ins for this year and just expectations for those levels for ‘20 and beyond. I know you talked about repeatable levels for that $100 million or so?

Great. So I might mention we announced the stock buyback programs on the Q3 call which was midway through Q4. During Q4, we did repurchase $5 million of stock I believe at an average price around $13.55 a share. Obviously, capital allocation over time is dynamic as we consider our own stock price opportunities in the market and our strategy around term-outs in the capital markets. We are continuing to grow into even more comfortable balance sheet and we will probably always allocate a little cash to that effort as well. So it’s a little bit difficult to get precise guidance. Other than that, obviously we do consider it constantly as was evident – as evidenced by the share buyback we did actually perform in Q4.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Your next question comes from the line of Moses Sutton from Barclays. Please ask your question.

Good afternoon. The decline in creation costs and the associated contracted project value decline, you noted it relates to mix, is this geographic mix perhaps increasing deployments in Texas and if so why would that not continue?

It’s both product mix and geographic mix. And it won’t continue because you can just have anomalies based on what went into service that quarter and we have pretty good visibility where the percentages are coming, where the product mix is coming. So we have good confidence that, that will not persist.

Got it. And not sure I may have missed it, but the $27.5 million safe harbor equity investment how many megawatts are associated specifically with that exact spend?

500 megawatts.

Got it. Thanks.

Thanks.

Your next question comes from the line of Joseph Osha from JMP Securities. Your line is now open.

Hi, this is actually Hilary on for Joe. Thanks for taking our questions. I just wanted to first kind of touch on this doubling of the attach rate for Brightbox and if you could provide a little more context for where that demand is going to be coming from and if it’s in more of these fire prone areas or if we are going to see those in some of those other markets?

Thank you. We are very excited about it, so happy to talk about it. I would just want to clarify the statement we said that we were going to double the aggregate number of installations not the attachment rate, so just want to make sure we are clear on that. Yes, we do believe that California will be a big driver, particularly the areas that have people who have lived through the power being shut off, which is considerable number of people. Just to give you some support behind that, if you look at Q2 in the Bay Area, our attachment rate was about 30% and jumped up to 60% and it’s stable this quarter was about in the mid 50s. So it’s you are seeing just really fast interest moving towards the battery. And we have places in Southern California and others where we are even above 60%. So it’s really once our sales force can educate people on this as the product is more appropriate for more home types, we see no reason why the majority of California should not switch over to solar plus the battery. And so that’s really what’s supporting it, has just seen the momentum market by market.

Okay, great. And then on the retail partner that you already kind of expanding out in those additional 200 stores, just kind of what’s the timeline for that and then if we could see further expansion with that partnership? Thank you.

Thank you. Yes, we are excited about big box retail. We have partnership with both Costco and Home Depot as we have talked about in the past. And the reason we are bringing it up on the call is we believe that the opportunity to expand into another 20% of stores with this retailer really underscores our differentiation in terms of being able to execute that channel. So we didn’t give any commentary and are still working through staffing plans for that, but its real testament to the fact that this is a differentiated channel for us.

Your next question comes from the line of Philip Shen from ROTH Capital Partners. Please ask your question.

Hey, guys. Thanks for the questions. In terms of just as a follow-up to that last question, the sales and marketing costs have remained stubbornly high. When we talk to the channel, we do things like sales guys are putting money, so can you update us on how you expect to get sales and marketing costs lower, I know that expansion with big box is an opportunity, but given your learning with Comcast and your other channel partners, can you quantify how much you think you might be able to lower the sales and marketing costs in 2020 or should we expect that line item to remain flat?

Well, I have always said and I will say again that customer value – the lifetime customer value support our customer acquisition costs and we are delivering over $1 a watt of NPV. So we are delivering almost $9,000 of value per customer and that’s at a 6% discount rate. So, if we were to market to market today at 5% that would be over $10,000. So, we have $10,000 of value. I would argue that a rationale business would go spend another $1 to acquire more customers in order to deliver those type of long-term value. So that’s just an important dimension to remember is that it’s not the acquisition cost is not out of whack with the value and in fact you could maybe argue you would want to even spend more. In terms of our – we believe that we are developing the channels where we are going to be able to have more customer, I am going to get it wrong whether it’s pull versus push, but more customers coming to us versus a lot of companies that are really relying on sales people that have more of a hunter type of mentality, which is why they don’t really have the marketing spend to actually pull the customers and stay more reliant on the sales people. So that’s an important dimension to be aware of. So when we look at some of our efforts there, we have these relationships with the big box retailers, we have a pretty sophisticated digital marketing program. We own lots of web properties that acquire leads from customers. We are signing up grid services programs so we are going to have utilities market on our behalf. We have the largest installed customer base to build referrals off of. All of these things we believe are competitive advantages for us that give us the positioning to be able to continue to drive down acquisitions costs and not be subject to reliant only on sales people.

Okay. Thanks, Lynn. We are also hearing in the channel that you guys are more actively wooing dealers, I know you don’t provide a breakout between your dealer and your direct business, but perhaps could you speak to the direction of that dealer business, specifically how did your dealer volume in megawatts trend in ‘19 year-over-year, was it up, flat, down? And then how do you expect that dealer volume in 2020 to trend? Again, do you expect it to be up meaningfully flat or down? Thanks.

Sure. So I said in this script we expect that our direct business where it’s our salespeople to grow above 20%. So that will be growing faster than the channel partner business, but the partner business is still very important to us we think that we can serve that unique and how well we can serve that population we have a nice group of channel partners none of which is more than 10% of our orders so good diversification in there and so that will it be that will deliver a nice growth for us but the direct will grow faster than we expect.

Your next question comes from the line of Jeffrey Campbell from Tuohy Brothers. Please ask your question.

Good afternoon and thanks for the call I know all the information that you have been providing first I just want to clarify the discussion around the permit streamlining does this primarily surround items proprietary to installing the solar system or speeding up the attachment to the finish system to the grid or both?

It is typically that. So the example I gave in Las Vegas has both and has an instant building permit and it all has instant utility in our connection that’s the end game that we want and that’s why we have been able to cut off 30 days out of the time to install a customer and the first step for us solar app program is really to work on the building permit side and so what it will do is it will come up with best practices and an online instant building portal that we can then go to the [indiscernible] to say hey this was developed with best practices why don’t you sign on to this it will be more efficient for you and more efficient for your constituents and that is the plan so there were in development on that online portal right now and we are going to be piloting it with 10 locations mostly likely in California this summer so we are pretty excited about it will be a multiyear effort but this promises this is one of the things I am most excited about for the prospects of the company because it is undeniable that this can cut out huge amounts of soft costs and I believe that with the focus on climate change and the political climate right now that it will not be a huge left to get cities and Asia it is a sign up to program and process that serves the people low.

Thanks for that. And if it is maybe a little too early to try to quantify what kind of savings we are talking about is there something that you can discuss?

Yes absolutely. So if you look at $7,000 as the bogey we have out there $7,000 per customer that is really the difference between U.S. today and Europe so if you look at same cost of hardware same cost of labor that is the difference just given their easier process so that would be the bogey probably we may not get all the way there but that’s what is possible.

Okay so that’s significant. My second question…

And again more than the ITC step down so you are going to put that.

So what we are talking about the – what do we do if the ITC falls off this could be a huge part of not only compensating but maybe even improving?

You got it.

I want to ask a question about batteries is it fair to assume the California is a competitive battery market since it seems like all the suppliers are trying to sell there, I was wondering if there are any geographies that are not so saturated that might actually be generating better margins currently or is it not the right way to think of it?

California is still not saturated in anyway. If we think about just some market research, we have done in the Bay Area even a place in the center of solar many people still don’t know that solar and battery is a superior product to a generator. I mean just look at so if you just look at the increase in generator sales and they are not even available for 9 months people don’t realize that solar batteries are better, more affordable and more durable. So I think we are still really, really early than we are in other markets certainly as well, but we don’t believe that we are in the cycle of the industry where we are really trying to price for like a really big margin. I mean, we are really trying to grow these deployments, we believe in it, we believe in the density of creating a lot of density of batteries in the communities so that you can aggregate them and add real value to the grid. So our vision is we are both capitalist but we are also really compelled by the need to decarbonize energy. And the only way we are going to decarbonize energy is to have a huge decentralized piece and a half to be solar and batteries. So we are believers in that.

And just one couple of numbers to share to underscore that, I believe last year alone something like 6 million customers were involved in a force black out, because of wildfire risk. In the state of California, there are probably somewhere between 10,000 and 20,000 installed battery systems. So, we have got a lot of ground to cover.

Right. Well, I am trying to make the point one thing that’s great about your installations is that they are all close to load and so even as utilities may trying to move and more capital into their own battery forms, I don’t think they are going to be able to build them in neighborhoods and that’s going to protect your VPPs even in that essence, so I am a fan of the model?

Thank you. Thank you. We need all of it certainly. And if the plan is to electrify there is plenty of room for us to work together and not to be at odds with one another.

If I could ask just one last quick one, because we have been talking about safe harbor here, so it sounds like the solar energy systems revs jumped fourth quarter ‘19 because of the safe harbor capture and then you said you don’t expect that to continue through the bulk of the year, but I was wondering is this something that could potentially repeat itself fourth quarter ‘20 maybe fourth quarter ‘21 as kind of a seasonal grab of the remaining ITC value or do you kind of see this as more as one and done in fourth quarter ‘19?

This is – you are talking about just the cash system sales jumping up?

Yes, just the jump up in cash systems trying to grab the ITC?

I think that possibly, I think you probably still will see some of that, but I think we will also get more sophisticated at really educating people that they don’t have to, because we have already safe harbored a question in the past year, that was new this year. So I would suspect that you may not see it quite as significant, but there will be probably a little uptick at the end of the year.

Thank you very much. Appreciate it.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Your next question comes from the line of Colin Rusch from Oppenheimer. Please ask your question.

Thanks so much, guys. This is maybe a simple question, but there is plenty of availability of capital, there is clearly a major opportunity here and component economics, why aren’t you growing faster? And then as an ordinate to that, would you consider inorganic growth as an option given what the level looks like?

Well, I would again point out, we added as many customers in 2019 as the next two competitors combined. So our scale is significant here and we are in a operational business and we are in a business where we care about – we really care about the quality of the assets, I think. We are really trying to show and we do believe that time will really prove out that high-quality of build matters, consultative expectations matter on the sale. And so we have balanced those. And we think for the long run and we see where the growth rate comes out. So we would challenge anybody to get close to the amount of aggregate customer value that we are going to add in the year. I wouldn’t imagine that, that would happen. So I think we are adding a lot of value. In terms of the inorganic question, we certainly always look at strategic opportunities that are available, but we would never comment on any M&A opportunities or anything of that nature.

Okay. And then as you look at growing set of battery assets in your network how many geographies you feel like you bid into the ancillary services market in 2021, 2022 somewhere what you have done in Massachusetts?

Yes, the way we think about that is we sort of have a plan that says okay, if you just look across the country, what percentage of the population can we cover with grid services like programs? So hopefully that makes sense. And so we think that over the next 3 to 5-year period, we believe that the majority of the states that we operate in, we will be able to participate in some sort of grid services programs. So we are out there setting it all up right now in order to reap the benefit of that by having the largest solar battery fleet.

Okay. Thanks so much, guys. I will take the rest offline.

Your next question is from Sophie Karp from KeyBanc. Please ask your question.

Hi, thank you for taking my questions. Just wanted to ask you a question on supply chain with everything that we are seeing in, I guess, in China and global trade and considering where the panels come from, is there a chance that we will see some significant disruption in the supply chain and how much cushion do you have against that? Thank you.

Sure, Sophie. Good question. First off, I would underscore that due to our safe harbor program, we have deep inventory in both panels and inverters. So we are just exceptionally well protected there. We continue to watch other areas of our supply chain carefully. We currently see solar manufacturing to be operating at relatively high capacity. Certainly, we haven’t see price increases which one would expect to precede any potential supply disruption. Probably, the areas we are tracking most closely is batteries to the extent, the challenge were to arise, our suspicion is it might be there although we have no current information to suggest battery supply disruption. And at this point, we haven’t detected any impact in consumer demand either. Internally, we are obviously also taking steps consistent with guidance from the CEC to minimize any potential transmission risk.

Thank you.

Okay. I think we will signoff here. Thanks everybody and talk to you again next quarter.

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