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Q1 2022 Earnings Call· Thu, Feb 24, 2022

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to RBC's conference call for the First Quarter 2022 Financial Results. Please be advised that this call is being recorded. I would like to turn the meeting over to Asim Imran, Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead, Mr. Imran.

Asim Imran

Management

Thank you and good morning everyone. Speaking today will be Dave McKay, President and Chief Executive Officer; Nadine Ahn, Chief Financial Officer; and Graeme Hepworth, Chief Risk Officer. Also joining us today for your questions, Neil McLaughlin, Group Head, Personal and Commercial Banking; Doug Guzman, Group Head, Wealth Management, Insurance and I&TS; and Derek Neldner, Group Head, Capital Markets. As noted on Slide 1, our comments may contain forward-looking statements, which involve assumptions and have inherent risks and uncertainties. Actual results could differ materially. I would also remind listeners that the bank assesses its performance on a reported and adjusted basis and considers both to be useful in assessing underlying business performance. To give everyone a chance to ask questions, we ask that you limit your questions and then requeue. With that, I'll turn it over to Dave.

Dave McKay

Management

Thank you and good morning everyone. Thanks again for joining us. Today, we reported earnings of $4.1 billion, our second highest on record underscoring the strength and scale of our franchises. Net income was up 6% from last year and we generated positive all bank operating leverage while continuing to invest for growth. Pre-provision pre-tax earnings were up 10% year-over-year benefiting from robust client driven volume growth in Canadian banking and City National strong wealth management results and record investment banking revenue. These were partially offset by continued moderation and our trading revenue and the impact of lower spreads. Our 17.3% return on equity combined with a strong capital ratio enabled us to deploy capital in a balanced manner to support client driven growth and long-term shareholder value. Our capital position supported $1.7 billion in dividends to our largely Canadian shareholder base, as well as almost 9 million of share repurchases. In aggregate, we returned nearly $3 billion to our shareholders for a total payout ratio of 72%. We also deployed our balance sheet across our businesses to support our clients' needs and ambitions resulting in organic RWA growth of $14 billion in the current quarter. We ended this quarter with a robust CET1 ratio of 13.5%, representing $13 billion in excess capital over an 11% level. This provides significant flexibility to continue investing in talent and technology to accelerate the deployment of capital for organic growth opportunities and I will speak more to this strategy in a moment. Our strong capital position also enables further share repurchases as well as providing us optionality to acquire quality franchises in growth segments that align with our current strategy and geographic footprint. Looking forward, we have a consistent and clear focus on creating client and shareholder value and a disciplined balanced approach…

Graeme Hepworth

Management

Thank you, Nadine, and good morning, everyone. Starting on Slide 19. Allowance for credit losses on loans of $4.4 billion, remained largely unchanged from last quarter, as write-offs and release of reserves on performing loans were nearly offset by higher provisions on impaired loans. This marks our fifth consecutive quarter with reserve releases on performing loans, reflecting continued improvement in our macroeconomic outlook and in the credit quality of our portfolio. Over the magnitude of the releases this quarter were tempered by the economic uncertainty related to the headwinds I noted last quarter, namely the Omicron wave of the COVID-19 pandemic, inflationary pressure and the pace and scale of anticipated interest rate increases. As Dave noted earlier, while the impact of the Omicron wave has now largely subsided, impacts of inflation and rising rates are expected to persist. Reserve releases of $80 million this quarter bring our total release to $1.4 billion since the start of 2021. When combined with considerable portfolio growth of 17% over the last two years, our ACL ratio is now approaching pre-pandemic levels of 58 basis points. Turning to Slide 20. Our gross impaired loans of $2.1 billion, were down $167 million or three basis points during the quarter. Impaired loan balances once again decreased across all our major businesses. New formations of $263 million, were at their lowest level in almost 10 years, reflecting the significant liquidity accumulated over the pandemic, the ongoing economic recovery and the continued benefits to clients from government support programs. Turning to Slide 21. PCL on impaired loans of $180 million or nine basis points, was up two basis points quarter-over-quarter, but remains well below pre-pandemic levels and below our long-term averages. In our Canadian Banking Retail portfolio, PCL on impaired loans was up $13 million quarter-over-quarter, with modest…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. We'll now take questions from the telephone lines. [Operator Instructions] And the first question is from John Aiken from Barclays. Please go ahead.

John Aiken

Analyst

Good morning. Nadine, thank you for the discussion and the outlook on expenses on Slide 12. Quick questions for you. When we look at the more variable expenses, the sales advice for revenue generation, is there – and I know that encompasses a whole host of different factors. But within that bucket, is there the possibility to generate positive operating leverage within those expenses? Or is this more of a function of one to one in terms of expenses versus revenues?

Nadine Ahn

Analyst

Thanks, John. That is the objective. When we look at – when we are – particularly our sales force, I mentioned some comments around how we increase their productivity and efficiency in terms of the tools that we’ve deployed to them in the way that they work. The other component of that I would say is the part of that is also the support groups that also travel with the frontline staff. And so there also we’re looking to drive optimization through a number of programs, such that we’re for every dollar of cost, we generate that much more dollar of revenue.

John Aiken

Analyst

That’s great. And as a follow on, David mentioned that you continue to grow the residential mortgage sales force, what frictional costs are associated with potential downsizing. So if and when we see a slowdown in the housing marketplace, what – how much of a lag would that be on the efficiency ratio because of the buildup of the salesforce?

Nadine Ahn

Analyst

Turnover to Neil, maybe.

Neil McLaughlin

Analyst

Yes, thanks to the question. I mean, I don’t think we really are looking at a scenario where we would – we haven’t really contemplated that to be truthful. These are variable commission based sales people. So for the most part, I think, we would be looking for them to go out and continue to compete for volume and at the margin, if we needed to slim down that sales force, the friction cost would be negligible. I mean, it’s not something that would really factor into our outlook on op lev.

John Aiken

Analyst

Understood. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from Ebrahim Poonawala from Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Ebrahim Poonawala

Analyst

Good morning. I guess just wanted to go back Dave, to your prepared remarks in terms of everything that you talked about mortgage growths, commercial lending, consumer spend sounds very bullish, clearly a lot of cross currents that the markets paying attention to, including inflation, geopolitical risk. Just give us a sense of when you look at the outlook, you mentioned we are maybe mid cycle, not early cycle in terms of the economic cycle, where are risks Q2 [ph] do you see more downside risk as we are moving forward to the growth outlook? Or do you think the markets caught up with some of the things that might be transitory and the underlying trends around immigration things, the opening back are much more stronger, would love any insights this?

Dave McKay

Management

It’s an important question because there are a lot of mixed signals out there. When we look at the stage of the economic cycle, you’d say commercial utilization and even monetary policy would be early cycle, but capacity left in the economy would be late cycle. And the balance of where the consumer is, where the economy is, is solid, mid cycle, which could mean, and we expect, there’s a good, solid couple of years of growth here or more. We would hope so, the risk factors are all the ones we see a geopolitical risk, inflation risk. And one of the top risk factors is the lack of labor capacity in the workforce. And does the liquidity that’s sitting on consumer balance sheets lead to inflation, or does it lead to growth? Those are the types of things we’re going to watch and see how they play out. Net-net immigration, consumer spending returning to normal, goods and services consumption, all of those are very positive for kind of a mid cycle growth outlook. So I think, to your question, we have to watch kind of economic capacity here and what the inflationary pressures are to Graeme’s point is one of the real risks to our economy. Is it real GDP growth, or are we just going to use that $200 billion or $300 billion of liquidity, 2.5 trillion by the way in the United States that just create more inflationary pressure. I hope that answers your question.

Ebrahim Poonawala

Analyst

Yes. That’s helpful. And I think just as a follow-up. I think you mentioned when talking about capital deployment, looking to acquire or potentially looking to acquire quality franchises and growth segments, unpack that for us in terms of what are things that would be attractive to Royal. You’ve not been very acquisitive. You’ve talked about asset generation capabilities in the past. Would love any color, especially in a period where we are seeing some asset price, dislocation correction in the public markets?

Dave McKay

Management

We’re very focused on the type of growth and quality franchise we’re looking for in it. And as with City National, there was no auction around City National. It was based on a relationship I built with the Goldsmith family and Russell Goldsmith over a number of years to the point where we saw a future together. And we’re doing very similar things right now. The high quality, high growth assets don’t come up for auction for obvious reasons. So we are obviously looking to expand our network. The timing is hard to predict, but we always want to be the first call. And there are a number of really attractive assets that exist when and how they make their strategic decisions we will see. So I think from that perspective, we are continuing to maintain, we’re looking for commercial and wealth, ultra high net worth franchises in the United States and Europe, and we have active dialogues, but it doesn’t mean things are going to happen. So I think from that perspective, it’s that continued focus. The City National model works. Look at the organic growth. We don’t need to make an acquisition to continue to accelerate the growth and outperform. So when you get the right franchise, you can grow it and run on it for a long period of time. And when we made the City National acquisition, we said we don’t need to make other acquisitions. This franchise has enormous organic growth potential. So we are looking for similar platforms to build on like that. And as I said many times, capital does not have a half life. It only dissipates if you misspend it. So we are being smart about it. You’ve seen the growth numbers, and we are returning some of that capital to you as you saw in our share buybacks.

Ebrahim Poonawala

Analyst

Very clear. Thanks, Dave.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from Paul Holden from CIBC. Please go ahead.

Paul Holden

Analyst

Thank you. Good morning. So I feel compelled, I just have to ask this question, because the magnitude of what’s happening in Europe. Are there any kind of first order impacts we should be thinking about in terms of the Russian sanctions and RBC?

Dave McKay

Management

And maybe I’ll let Graeme start, and then I’ll jump in with my perspective. Graeme over to you.

Graeme Hepworth

Management

Yes, sure. I mean, I think the first point to make is that, we do not have any directory, meaningful exposure to Russia or the Ukraine. I mean that's the bypass, the fact that we don’t operate in those countries and we don’t have a risk appetite that kind of allows us to operate with clients or markets that are high risk like that. And so I think what we’re focused on is more the indirect impacts that could flow through and certainly high levels of commodity prices, those are interesting ones that have kind of multiple effects that we need to think through. On one hand, Canada is a net exporter of natural resources and that’s a positive for our economy. On the other hand, those are things are going to continue to fuel and exacerbate kind of current risk concerns like inflation. And so, those would be the areas of concern that we would be focused on in this environment. But again, I think our risk appetite or operating model will serve us well and position us well against these kind of emerging concerns that are happening right now in Eastern Europe.

Dave McKay

Management

The only thing I would add is, as you look at how markets react, the obvious volatility coming from investor uncertainty, global uncertainty, but the effect on the yield curve, you’ve seen a little bit of tightening at the long end of the curve. There is always a flight to quality when you have such geopolitical volatility. You’ve seen that today. I think with the tightening in the U.S. curve of about 10 points at the long end of the curve and does it invert temporarily. What we’ve seen historically as you all see is that geopolitical risk tends to smooth out over time, but can be quite volatile in the short term. So I still expect the strength of the economy, the inflationary pressures that we talked about, economic capacity being used, that I would still expect some form of rate increase to continue to move forward and monetary all to continue to tighten, this underlying for drivers are very strong.

Paul Holden

Analyst

Okay. That’s great. That actually leads me perfectly in to my real question, which is for…

Dave McKay

Management

You want to get Nadine…

Paul Holden

Analyst

Nadine – which is for Nadine and sort of the NIM sensitivity or NII sensitivity you provide, obviously there’s a number of assumptions that go into that and kind of talked about some of the variables in your prepared remarks. What I’m particularly curious on, are there certain factors that may lead to more NII benefit from rate tightening than what you’ve put into your disclosed sensitivities? And if there are, can you give us a sense of what those factors might be and sort of a general order of magnitude?

Nadine Ahn

Analyst

Sure. So I think what typically we would’ve referenced in the slides is the impact on our retail franchise of both Canadian banking and in the U.S. wealth management business and pointed out as I called in my remarks, focusing on what it looks like is the more of the curve flattening, so the rising in the short end of the rates. As it relates to other businesses, you obviously have wealth management, Canada will benefit as well from the spread margin expansion on their deposit base. I would say one of the other big areas that I did call out in my remarks relates to Capital Markets and the Repo business. So we have about $300 billion balance and saw margins compressed there in about 10 basis points. So that business, obviously, as rates start to move up in the short end would benefit from that margin expansion as well, coupled with the fact that we did see some balances come off with the elevated liquidity levels. Those are primarily, I would say two of the primary drivers from a pure interest rate perspective.

Paul Holden

Analyst

That’s great. That’s it for me? Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from Meny Grauman from Scotiabank. Please go ahead.

Meny Grauman

Analyst

Hi, good morning. You’ve been very clear in terms of your guidance on expenses. I think what’s interesting to me is there still does seem to be a disconnect a little bit between maybe the commentary that some especially larger U.S. banks are talking about with respect to their expenses and the way you are presenting the outlook. So I’m wondering if you could kind of delve into that in terms of structural or fundamental reasons why your expense structure is different than let’s say some large banks in the U.S. So basically trying to get it to you how is your outlook on expenses, more optimistic and that’s really the fundamental nature of the question.

Nadine Ahn

Analyst

Thanks, Meny. I would say there’s two primary components related to that. First off, we’ve been investing for a significant portion of time, both in our technology or infrastructure as you would’ve also noticed in our front office sales support staff, really that client acquisition arm of it. So we have been investing in technology for a long time and scaling across our Canadian businesses. You’ll also notice that from a perspective depreciation that will start that drips in over time, so that doesn’t necessarily result in an increasing cost base the extent that you’ve been spending equally through the years. I would say that the other thing that we talked about was around our efficiency and our sustainability of looking at our productivity options that we have to deploy not only technology tools, but how we can be more inefficient in that cost base, I referenced to the far end of the chart there, which can tend to be a bit more fixed over time. So it’s twofold there. We look at how we can be more efficient, where we work, how we work, what digitization of processes, automation, and in addition how we can become more productive in our salesforce stop so. So how we can expand upon the every cost seller we put out there and the revenue multiple that we generate off of that. So I think part of it Meny is really we’ve been investing over consistently over a period of time. I think others may be catching up to where we’ve been, is having to increase their spend levels. But in addition, we do focus consistently across the organization on the efficiency and productivity arm of it, to be able to continue to with that investment growth.

Meny Grauman

Analyst

That's helpful. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from Doug Young from Desjardins Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Doug Young

Analyst

Good morning. Just wanted to go back to the capital discussion. I think you've been clear about where you see the growth opportunities, but I guess the correction in my question is I'm curious if you can put your substantial excess capital to work organically such that you would be driving down your CET1 ratio and what are those best opportunities? And so, we saw risk weighted asset growth reduced the ratio by 29 basis points this quarter. Could we see RWA growth push that ratio down 50 basis points, 60 basis points, 70 basis points is really kind of where I'm going?

Nadine Ahn

Analyst

Yes. I mean I think that we've hit on the primary objective there in terms of our organic growth and we have seen the significant ability to deploy that capital in high ROE businesses and looking at good returns, you see it both within capital markets and high ROE this quarter continued around and able to deploy it in the higher-margin underwriting businesses, the loan book as well as City National with that double-digit growth. So we are looking in how we scaled up our businesses, particularly with the advancement of our frontline sales force and the ability to deploy that balance sheet. So that is definitely an opportunity. Obviously, we saw last year some of the model changes with respect to RWA. So that brought it down and we have Basel III coming on the horizon next year, which has the opportunity to improve again our RWA position. So there is obviously puts and takes on that, but we definitely look to continue to deploy from an organic perspective.

Doug Young

Analyst

I guess where I'm going with this is this – because everyone talks about M&A and we can all speculate on that and then buybacks at the margin, but the real opportunity would be to put 100 basis points of RWA to work or to put it work like organically? And I know the credit card balance is coming back, commercial card balances. But like what I'm trying to get at is what are the best opportunities do you foresee? And what's the most capital-intensive opportunities?

Dave McKay

Management

I think we are putting a lot of RWA to work. The beauty of the model is that we're generating so much surplus capital from profitability and our scale and our efficiency that it drives a self-funding model to your point. So I think the beauty is we can accelerate growth, we are accelerating growth, and we're funding a lot of it from profitability. So, you're seeing us, as I said, returning capital to shareholders, and we still have a significant strategic optionality to put capital to work in an inorganic fashion when the right opportunity comes to the table. So we're in a great place. You saw a strong, strong growth driven by previous investments that we've made. We continue to invest. We are generating organic capital. We have strategic optionality. We are in a very good place to continue to drive premium total shareholder return.

Doug Young

Analyst

Great. I appreciate the color. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from Sohrab Movahedi from BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Sohrab Movahedi

Analyst

I have two questions. Maybe I'll start with where I think Doug left off. Nadine or Dave, you've mentioned capital markets several times, I think, as a good source of, I guess, capital deployment. Is that – would that be more so in the traditional banking businesses, credit underwriting and the like? Or could there also be some capital chewed up in market risk?

Dave McKay

Management

Why don't we have Derek answer that?

Derek Neldner

Analyst

Sure. Thanks, Sohrab. I appreciate the question. I think we see opportunities right now across both the Banking business and the Global Markets business. As Nadine said, we are very focused on trying to make sure we're only deploying capital where we see good returns. But as you've seen with the Capital Markets business over the last couple of years, partially due to the environment, but partially due to some of the strategic initiatives and changes we've undertaken, we have notably moved up our ROE. And so, that is giving us opportunities right across the platform. Clearly, there are opportunities to deploy capital organically through the loan book and that has the ancillary benefit of also supporting the non-lending or ancillary revenue opportunities through investment banking or otherwise. There is some modest capital deployment through our loan syndications and underwriting business, although we remain very mindful of the risk environment and so we're being quite prudent and disciplined about that. And then in different pockets of our markets business, as we're looking to grow out different areas of the trading platform in both the U.S. and Europe, I think we will see additional opportunities to deploy capital in trading as well. So it is quite diversified right now, but probably led more by the loan book and the investment banking side.

Sohrab Movahedi

Analyst

And Derek, just to clarify with no real change even at the margin and risk appetite?

Derek Neldner

Analyst

Correct.

Sohrab Movahedi

Analyst

Thank you. And then my second question is for Neil. I think you talked – you've provided some statistics, I think Dave did actually around market share gains, both in checking – I think, checking deposit stuff and mortgages and the revenue pickup. Is there any way, Neil, you could attribute how much of that is because of the kind of consistent emphasis on the RBC Ventures initiatives?

Neil McLaughlin

Analyst

Yes. Thanks for the question. I wouldn't point to Ventures as a market share driver there. I would point to the drivers, maybe just start with mortgages. We've talked for, I think, quite a long time, just about investments we've made, just picking up on Nadine's point, really thinking about that franchise front to back about finding processes, investing in digital, investments in our sales force, how we flow leads to those market – those mortgage professionals. So it's really been, I think, a consistent steady strategy that's really paying off in the mortgage business. A little bit different in the core deposits business, whereas last year, we really came away and said we hadn't refreshed the value proposition for our core deposits business, and we felt we needed to make some investments there. That was, I think, a great example of a technology investment that we're seeing pay off. Nadine touched on the sort of the tools and the ability to reduce the amount of time it takes open to one of those checking accounts. But we also put some of that technology investment into the core underlying value proposition, which really had us double down on our belief in reciprocity and tying it back to a core relationship strategy where – when our clients bring more of their business to us, we reciprocate with a fee reduction structure back to them and the ability to put our rewards points to use on their debit product. So we'd say that – those types of investments and particularly that shift in the value proposition that you're seeing in the marketplace for advertising would be the driver on the deposits business.

Sohrab Movahedi

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from Gabriel Dechaine from National Bank Financial. Please go ahead.

Gabriel Dechaine

Analyst

Good morning. At what point does inflation become a problem? I know we've talked about it as a headwind. But is there a very simple way of thinking through that over the course of 5, 6, 7 months over a year, whatever it is, Canadian inflation of 5% to 6% and U.S. inflation in the 7% range that becomes something that compels you to look at your credit models and start adding to provisions? And then from your business outlook standpoint, consumption, they're paying more for gas, people are paying more for gas and other stuff as opposed to TVs and cars like, when does that affect your revenue growth outlook? Thanks.

Graeme Hepworth

Management

Sure. Thanks, Gabriel. Maybe I'll start there, certainly on the credit side. Certainly, inflation is a factor by itself, but I think we would combine that with kind of a rising rate environment kind of as a set of risks that we certainly are mindful of in our credit books and certainly it's something front and center with us on that. I would start – we obviously have a backdrop where clients are in a very strong position with very strong liquidity and cash balances, as Dave noted earlier. I think you combine the fact that we've had very strong underwriting, a very persistent underwriting standards for a long time that are mindful of an operating environment of higher rates and higher inflation. And so I don't think we kind of look at this as a surprise and something that shouldn't be considered, but we always talk about being prudent and consistent through the cycle. And these are kind of cyclical events that we do worry about and we build into our underwriting standards. I think different portfolios will be impacted at different times. I think there is probably more latency in credit on terms of inflations impact and rates impact than maybe we would see in the revenue and expense lines. And that's kind of largely related to the fact that we build good resiliency into our portfolios. Many of our portfolios will get our mortgage portfolio that Neil just talking about there is a long duration in that. And so clients both have a lot of capacity there and there is a timeframe there before you would see clients turning over and having to refinance into a higher rate – higher cost environment. So I don't think it's kind of leading back to my original comment, that's why I don't think we see our views on our credit forecast there haven't changed largely since Q4. But those are headwinds that we are considering and I think will accrue over time into higher credit costs. But those will be offset by positives elsewhere on the revenue side as we previously talked about.

Gabriel Dechaine

Analyst

So there's a point at which you might have to, I know, signaling out Royal and it affect every bank, but there is a point at which you would have to maybe make an adjustment?

Graeme Hepworth

Management

Are you referencing a credit adjustment?

Gabriel Dechaine

Analyst

Well, yes, yes.

Graeme Hepworth

Management

Again, I'm not sure you say credit adjustment. Again, we – when clients come to the door, we are constantly reassessing and assessing their credit quality, their capacity. We build in capacity for rate rises and cost rises in their – in the origination process. And again, if you look at our portfolios, there's a lot of equity built-up with clients that give us a lot of capacity to work with them on that. So our credit strides, as I said, are really designed to work through the cycle and that won't change. We constantly reflect these factors though into our reserving models. So, certainly, as we talked about, we've had some uncertainty that's coming off with let's say things like Omicron and government support. And these are some new headwinds that are coming into play. And so we'll constantly reassess all of those each quarter and reflect that into our reserving models. But I wouldn't say right now that that's a headwind that we would indicate and say that we expect an increase there coming to any time soon.

Gabriel Dechaine

Analyst

Okay.

Dave McKay

Management

To your question, I think the only risk you have to watch out for is if inflationary pressures or cash flow because salaries and benefits aren't keeping up with it, and therefore, it challenges your sort of visibility ratio. So what we're seeing now is disposable income and salaries are keeping up and tracking the inflationary pressure, but that's what you have to watch out for. And we're in this unique position where we have over $200 billion of cash sitting on consumers' balance sheets to mitigate a lot of that in most of the economy. But how that gets spent and how that drives inflation versus growth, we all have to watch. So I think that's what you're trying to get at and that's what we're watching for to.

Gabriel Dechaine

Analyst

Okay. Well, thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from Mario Mendonca from TD Securities. Please go ahead.

Mario Mendonca

Analyst

Good morning. Can I take you to Page 26 of your presentation, and specifically, the all bank asset yields, I'm looking at the loan yield and how it's dropped by 27 basis points over the last 12 months. Over that time period, the five-year – Bank of Canada five years up about 100 basis points and – with increase in the five years has been – rather than recent. I would have thought that we might start to see a little bit of a move in loan yields. It might just be mix that I'm seeing here. It might be just a matter of timing. But could you speak to when that increase in the five years that we're seeing will translate into higher loan yields?

Nadine Ahn

Analyst

Sure, Mario. Thank you. I mean I think you're right, a bit of it is going to be mixed overall that you're looking at [Audio Dip] overall though we're talking about some of it we had expressed as part from the comments around the mortgage book and how the competitive pricing there that is. But as five-year rates have started to roll into higher rates, we have seen those rates go up.

Mario Mendonca

Analyst

So you're saying we are starting to see that. Do you have a sense for when we might actually – this exhibit on Page 26, will actually see the inflection in loan yields in terms of timing?

Nadine Ahn

Analyst

Yes, we have to disclose it a bit for you, Mario, because, again as I said, it's the full book across capital markets and City National. So as rates get to rise, you would expect it, but it's a bit difficult and let's could probably get back to you and bring you a bit more of a detail position on it.

Dave McKay

Management

City National probably plays a role given how much it's impacted at the short end of the curve, the long end – a significant compression that we've talked about in the City National would distort that number versus have nothing to do with the Canadian long yield – that might be part of it. So we'll have to – be one driver. We'll look at roll on, roll off on the mortgages in Canada will be another driver and we can do a waterfall for you…

Nadine Ahn

Analyst

…in the five-year rate.

Mario Mendonca

Analyst

Yes. I was looking at the Canadian five-year, but obviously, the U.S. five-year is up as well, maybe not as much as the Canadian, but...

Dave McKay

Management

But our balance sheet is completely oriented to the short end of the curve in the United States where we don't have many long-term assets [Audio Dip] of the short end. So that's what's driving the yield...

Mario Mendonca

Analyst

Okay. We'll need to see actual Central Bank rate increases before we might see that margin tick up right.

Nadine Ahn

Analyst

Right.

Dave McKay

Management

And that's the way we gave you the sensitivity with the short end of the curve move because it has a big impact on the U.S. and Canada for us and the longer end of the curve is quite flat.

Mario Mendonca

Analyst

Okay, got it. Slightly different type of question. I also care a lot about what you're doing on the liquidity front, the average – looking at repos, cash resources, securities ex-trading. Obviously, that increased – those balances increased very significantly when the pandemic hit because every bank was building liquidity then. It started to taper off until very recently. Now we're seeing a really big increase again in repos, for example, on securities. Could you talk about repo specifically and the dynamic – the sort of market dynamic that would cause such a significant increase in repos from last quarter to this quarter?

Nadine Ahn

Analyst

Derek, could you?

Derek Neldner

Analyst

Sure, Mario. It's Derek. What you're seeing there is a couple of things. Quarter-over-quarter, a big part of that is just what I'll refer to as sort of seasonality or timing of the year. And so because of the timing of our fiscal year-end and our quarters versus many of our global peers that are operating on a calendar fiscal year-end, many of them will often pull back on liquidity they're providing in the market as they head into the December 31, period because that's intra-quarter for us, that often creates good opportunities for us to step in with liquidity around the calendar year-end period and support our clients through really just a multi-week period around year-end. And so there's a seasonality element to our repo business where often we can increase our balances to support clients through that time period and then bring those back down. So that is definitely part of what you saw in terms of the quarter-over-quarter. Longer-term and Nadine referred to this earlier with all the liquidity that's been put into the market by Central Banks over the last couple of years, the demand for financing through things like repo has come down, and that has brought down our volumes, but it's also had a notable spread impact. I think we would expect as liquidity starts being pulled out of the market, we will see an increased client demand for financing, which would be helpful for us. But also we would, over time expect that to translate into higher spreads in that business. And I'd say we're very early days and starting to see that. This was the first quarter where we saw a modest uptick in spreads. So it does take time, but we would expect as rates go higher and liquidity comes out of the system, that will help to normalize spreads in that business.

Mario Mendonca

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from Lemar Persaud from Cormark. Please go ahead.

Lemar Persaud

Analyst

Great. My question is probably for Nadine. So I think I heard you suggest that inflation is captured in the structural part of the expense expectations slide – expense expectations waterfall on Slide 12. So maybe clarify that? Then would it be fair to suggest that the structural costs were more significantly impacted by say higher inflation? Could some of that 4% growth in investment and volume spend being deferred? Or is there just not that much flexibility about it? I'm just really trying to assess the possibility that costs could come in above your guidance range here. So any thoughts would be helpful?

Nadine Ahn

Analyst

Sure. Thank you. So the 2% structural does have a component and the parts of it related to inflations would be where we had increased salaries at the start of the year, recognizing the fact that we were under some inflationary pressure. But that's about one-third of that. About two-third of that is more scalable related to business volumes. So for example, TRADE X, sub-custody, et cetera, and also seeing a bit of the pickup in travel. The 4% you referenced of the investment, a large component of that is actually investment in talent. So we've already incorporated as part of that, a little bit of inflation as well, Lemar, just in terms of expectations around certain of those groups that we're investing in from a frontline perspective as well as some of the rest of it would be in tools. I would say if inflation was to significantly spike or push through a couple of things just to note there. So we have put through some of it already into our full across-the-board salary base. The other piece of it is some of our cost base actually is not going to be immediately impacted by inflation. We do have a number of costs that will be fixed in nature. For example, our occupancy is already predetermined cost. Secondly, although the depreciation was related to our app-dev spent or some of that investment in technology is actually from historical spend as it pulls through from an NIE standpoint. We do have opportunity to scale on that, but also on the efficiency and productivity side that we referenced there is an area that we're heavily focused on to be able to continue to invest. And if inflation persists further, into the future, it's an area that we can continue to look at to continue our investment in play with that lever as well.

Lemar Persaud

Analyst

Got it. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from Mike Rizvanovic from Stifel. Please go ahead.

Mike Rizvanovic

Analyst

Good morning. A question probably for Neil. So I do see the market share gains that you had, just looking over a longer-term horizon. But you have lost share in the residential mortgage balances I'm referring to among the big six, each of the past three quarters. And I know in the past, you've had some discussion points around spreads in the market and competitive dynamics and maybe some aggressive pricing from peers. So I'm wondering what your near-term outlook might be on when you expect those market share losses to abate?

Neil McLaughlin

Analyst

Yes, appreciate the question. We made some comments last year just about making a decision to take a little bit more margin when we were kind of at the height of the market in terms of volume just to make sure we didn't lose any volume in the pipeline. We've converted all of those. I was kind of like, I'd say, mid-year last year. Since then, we've been competing, I think very hard and feel very comfortable of what we're taking out of the market. I think one of the things you need to get underneath is the difference between after-market share and the CBA market share data, there's different inputs into each of them. So one of the differences being just wholesale funding and purchasing mortgage is something we don't do. And at least one of our competitors, we've been a part of what's driving some of the trends I think you're referring to just gets back to our strategy, which is we believe in owning the channel. We have a proprietary sales strategy. We own the relationship and it all kind of ties back to owning the client to be able to cross-sell. So I don't think we have anything in our sights about us losing market share on the mortgage business.

Mike Rizvanovic

Analyst

I appreciate the color. And then maybe just a follow-up on Dave's guidance earlier on mortgage growth remaining in that high single-digit range. For the rest of this year, I believe, what the comment was referring to. So I'm just looking at some of the trends that we've seen lately, including – you've got like the recent originations, about 60% of them have been variable. And just thinking back to the rate hikes that we saw in 2017, it sort of pushed the mortgage growth all the way down to that low-single digit. I think it troughed at around 3%. So I'm wondering if we do get what the bond market is pricing in right now, something in the range of 6% rate hikes, would your 2023 outlook be looking something like low to mid-single-digit range at best in terms of growth?

Neil McLaughlin

Analyst

Yes, it's Neil again. I'll take the question. So I guess to give you a bit of an extended outlook. Dave made the comment that mortgage outlook towards the end of the year would be high single digits. As we see rates come up, naturally cool in the market, slowing down some activity, we'd see that get into mid-single digits to end 2023..

Mike Rizvanovic

Analyst

Okay. That’s helpful. Thanks for the color.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from Scott Chan from Canaccord Genuity. Please go ahead.

Scott Chan

Analyst

Good morning. A lot has been asked on the Canadian P&C, but I wanted to kind of focus on the City National side. And the one thing that struck me was the retail book grew 25% year-over-year, and you kind of called out mortgage growth leading similar to Canada. So I was just wondering – maybe an update on the strategy there? Anything differentiated? And is it fair to assume that the U.S. growth this year would be higher or could be higher on the Canadian side? Thanks.

Dave McKay

Management

So it's Dave. I'll make some comments. We're very happy with the City National growth, both on the Commercial C&I side as well as you pointed out on the consumer side. It's a result of our strategy. I've been talking about for years, hiring private bankers in our key markets, expanding our capability to jumbo mortgages, cross-selling those jumbo mortgages into core deposit and investment accounts. So you're seeing just the acceleration of the investments and the strategy starting to play out for us, and it's our fastest-growing line of business now. Followed strongly by very strong entertainment growth. Our inter-containment clients are busy. There's an enormous amount of content investment, as I pointed out in my speech, into global content production. We have a fantastic core capability in entertainment banking from production through to talent management. So I think from that, FilmTrack was an important acquisition in the IP side for us to play a bigger role in the entertainment industry. And our core C&I real estate and commercial, we're seeing great progress on our mid-corporate. I think we're at almost $2 billion of growth there already. So that strategy, again, seeded by investment of building out teams in core markets, bringing new clients in. This franchise has a proven ability over decades to execute organically at an exceptional high-quality growth level. And we're seeing as we move into new territories, whether it be jumbo mortgage or mid-corporate commercial that customer-centric franchise that brings new clients has proven that it can extend geographically, and it can extend into new customer segments, and we're very, very happy with the progress.

Scott Chan

Analyst

Thank you Dave.

Asim Imran

Management

One more question and we will get it off.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. So the last question will be from Sohrab Movahedi from BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Sohrab Movahedi

Analyst

Okay. Great. Thank you. I just wanted to actually go to Doug Guzman, which Doug, you've got the expanded responsibilities now that include, I think, overall, well. As you think about the opportunities there, should we be thinking you will be focused more on the top line or efficiency improvements? And maybe you can talk a little bit across the geographies as well?

Doug Guzman

Analyst

Sure. Thanks. Yes. First of all, I don't think you should expect radically new strategies across these businesses at all. The Wealth Businesses, so U.S. Wealth and Brokerage business and our Canadian Wealth Management business, also a brokerage model, have had the parts of their operations that made sense to be centralized have been throughout. So our operations function, we run on the same rails on the operations side, the products and strategy function. At the margin, maybe there's a little more room for more communication, but I don't think you're going to see much really different there. Dave's talked to City National. Top line growth is really important there. Growing the infrastructure into the size of the revenue base is also important and expenses are important. So I don't think I'd pick between revenue and expense, but we're optimistic. Both those businesses in the U.S. have shown really strong growth, big investments in technology in the U.S. Wealth Management and Brokerage. Very attractive destination for FAs, financial advisers, in the U.S., we've had good growth on that side and expense controls throughout on the Canadian businesses. You continue to see us outselling the competition. Our market share in Global Asset Management and the Retail Mutual Fund business remains 50% above number two, and it's actually gapping out because our sales exceed our underlying market share. Similarly, in Wealth Management Canada where we've had great success attracting advisers and a very low direct expense growth. So I think kind of both. The caveat, of course, is markets. We can't control markets, but we feel like we're positioned for any eventuality. Historically, in market disruptions in our home market, we've benefited because we've been able to remain consistent, and we've got a higher level of advice content in our delivery. There remains considerable cash on retail customer individual balance sheet and that cash needs to move to longer-term investments for their life planning, and we're working on that as well. So we feel pretty good about all the bits I just covered.

Sohrab Movahedi

Analyst

And Doug, just for crystal clarity, you don't think you need any capital for inorganic engines on this. This is all organic you're talking about?.

Doug Guzman

Analyst

We don't need capital for inorganic. The growth emphasis in domestic wealth management on the distribution side has been hiring people. So that's expense, investment in people and building capabilities. And that's the reason we're continuing to gain market share. We're able to deliver more to our customers on a relationship than we have in the past, and that protects fees over time. We don't need more scale in Canada. Similarly in other markets, while we're open to it, we don't need to do anything on the acquisition side. .

Sohrab Movahedi

Analyst

Thank you for taking my follow-up question.

Operator

Operator

This will conclude the question-and-answer session. I'd like to turn the meeting back over to Mr. Dave McKay.

Dave McKay

Management

I'd like to thank everyone for a lot of great questions. And as I sum up our quarter, again, we're very happy with the way we started the year. And the theme that we wanted to really leave you with today was just the impact of the investments and the consistent investment strategy across all our businesses is producing higher ROE, high-quality growth across all our franchises. And your questions touched on all of that growth today, whether it's private banking and in CNB 25% jumbo mortgage growth with high net worth customers. . The strong CNB entertainment, real estate and now mid-market growth fueled by an expansion and hiring strategy there. U.S. Wealth Management building completely new technology platforms. That investment has led to an $8 billion secured lending portfolio with $80 million of revenue. Canadian Banking launching Vantage and continue to expand our value proposition driving really strong customer acquisition adding profitability in core banking and market share gains. Capital Markets, our long-term strategy is executing against expanded industry coverage, bringing new MDs and focusing on high-growth, high-opportunity sectors like health care and technology, driving really strong noninterest revenue growth is the consistency and the approach and the focus on the strategy is delivering results, and that's the message that we really want to hear. And as many of your questions pointed to, we have a line of sight and flexibility to manage the uncertainty around the inflationary environment. We have levers. You've touched on those levers with your questions, and very much we feel like we have an exciting year ahead of us. So thank you very much for your questions. Look forward to seeing you in Q2. Be well.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. The conference has now ended. Please disconnect your lines at this time, and thank you for your participation.