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Stifel Financial Corp. (SF)

Q1 2022 Earnings Call· Wed, Apr 27, 2022

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Operator

Operator

Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the First Quarter Earnings Call 2022. At this time all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speakers presentation there will be a question-and-answer session [Operator Instructions]. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Mr. Joel Jeffrey, Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead sir.

Joel Jeffrey

Analyst

Thank you, operator. I'd like to welcome everyone to Stifel Financials First Quarter Financial Results Conference Call. I'm joined on the call today by our Chairman and CEO, Ron Kruszewski; our Co-Presidents, Victor Nesi and Jim Zemlek; and our CFO, Jim Marischen. Earlier this morning we issued an earnings release and posted a slide deck and financial supplement to our website, which can be found on the Investor Relations page at www.stifel.com. I would note that some of the numbers that we state throughout our presentation are presented on a non-GAAP basis, and I would refer to our reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP as disclosed in our press release. I would also remind listeners to refer to our earnings release, financial supplement and slide presentation for information on forward-looking statements and non-GAAP measures. This audio cast is copyrighted material by Stifel Financial Corp. and may not be duplicated, reproduced or rebroadcast without the consent of Stifel Financial Corp. I will now turn the call over to our Chairman and CEO, Ron Kruszewski.

Ron Kruszewski

Analyst

Thanks, Joel. To our guests, good morning and thank you for taking the time to listen to our first quarter results. 2022 is off to an interesting start to say the least. The war in Ukraine, surging inflation and the post-COVID reopening have resulted in increased volatility, higher rates, lower equity markets and a favorable recession in the United States. This contrasts markedly with 2021 when the yield on the 10-year treasury was 1.6%, oil was $60 a barrel. The VIX was 18 and the Fed's dot [ph] forecasted zero rate hikes in 2022. Last year, we generated record revenue and earnings per share led by our institutional business and more specifically, our investment banking businesses. Fast forward today and the environment couldn't be more different. 10-year treasury yields are around 2.8%, oil is above $100 a barrel. The VIX as of this morning is above 30%, and the market is forecasting the Fed to raise short-term rates to 2.5% by year-end. One of the objectives of this call is to highlight the diversity and balance of our business model, which has proven over time to generate consistent growth despite ever-changing market conditions. Simply, all else being equal, rising short-term rates are good for most banks and very good for Stifel. As I look to the remainder of 2022, the expected benefits from increases in short-term interest rates will be substantial to our net interest income. As Jim Marischen will elaborate, our net interest income is now expected to increase by $300 million to $400 million over 2021. This, coupled with the growth in other global wealth management revenues and our fixed income businesses can help to offset the impact of some of our more market-sensitive revenue lines. In short, we expect 2022 to be another strong year for Stifel.…

Jim Marischen

Analyst

Thanks, Ron, and good morning, everyone. I'll start by addressing net interest income. Our NII came in above our guidance at $156 million, which is up 13% sequentially. The growth was driven by an 8% increase in our interest-earning assets, as we continue to grow our loan portfolio and from an increase in bank NIM to 244 basis points. We benefited from the recent rate increase in March. We anticipate the majority of the impact from this rate hike to occur in the second quarter. With that said, assuming we see two 50 basis point rate hikes in the second quarter, we would project net interest income in the second quarter in a range of $190 million to $200 million and a bank NIM of 285 to 295 basis points. As you recall, our full year guidance for NII was in the range of $650 million to $750 million. This was based on balance sheet growth of $4 billion to $6 billion, zero to three [ph] increases in the Fed funds rate beginning in March. Well, after one quarter's results and market expectations for significantly more rate increases, our initial guidance appears to be conservative. Given our current asset composition, total balance sheet growth of $4 billion for the year, an additional 100 basis points of rate hikes expected in the second quarter and a 50% deposit beta, the low end of our guidance range will increase to $800 million. When we modeling the impact of an incremental eight rate hikes, $6 billion of asset growth and a 25% deposit beta, this would drive the high end of our NII range for the year to $900 million. Moving on to the next slide. I'll highlight the bank's loan and investment portfolios. We ended the quarter with total net loans of…

Ron Kruszewski

Analyst

Thanks, Jim. So far in 2022, we're off to a strong start as we generated record wealth management, institutional fixed income revenue that drove our second strongest first quarter in our history. That said, it's also fair to say that the market environment has not been exactly what we had initially projected, and 2022 is shaping up to be very different from 2021. This is why we've consistently emphasized the importance of the diversification of our business model. You can see from the top of the slide, we have a long track record of consistent growth through various market conditions, much of which is due to the diversity of our revenue lines. As such, we believe that we are well positioned to weather the market volatility and potential economic headwinds that could emerge in 2022. As such, we are maintaining our full year revenue guidance of $4.9 billion to $5.2 billion. Looking at our Global Wealth Management segment, revenues will be driven by a number of factors that include increased net interest income, continued strength in recruiting and solid asset management revenue. In terms of net interest income, as Jim mentioned earlier, we've raised our guidance to account for increased increases – increases in the Fed funds rate. The lower end of our guidance is based on rates only increasing 100 basis points, as we believe the Federal Reserve may be limited in how much they can increase rates if the economy begins to slow. That said, our revised low end of our guidance is still $50 million above the high end of our prior guidance and the revised high end would represent an 80% increase in NII from 2021. The increase in our guidance underscores the meaningful asset sensitivity in our business, which I believe has been underappreciated by…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] The first question comes from the line of Steven Chubak from Wolfe Research. Your line is open.

Steven Chubak

Analyst

Hi. Good morning, Ron. Good morning, Jim.

Ron Kruszewski

Analyst

Good morning, Steven.

Jim Marischen

Analyst

Good morning.

Steven Chubak

Analyst

Wanted to start off with - which may be a hot topic at the moment, cash sorting. Last cycle, you had very low deposit betas on the first 100 bps of hikes. That ramp pretty significantly, and you even started to raise some CDs as cash sorting headwinds started to manifest. This time, it does feel admittedly different just because you're coming into the cycle with better organic growth. You noted there's a larger pool of available funding of roughly $16 billion. But I wanted to get a sense as to how much of that $16 billion can be readily swept to Stifel Bank to support growth? And how do you see cash sorting impacting cash balances? And is there a credible case for growing sustainably from here even beyond 2022?

Ron Kruszewski

Analyst

A lot of questions in that, Steve.

Steven Chubak

Analyst

I would consider a heavy two part.

Ron Kruszewski

Analyst

Heavy two part, yeah. First of all, when we have and we'll continue to source deposits through recruiting. I mean we've done it consistently, as we've grown AUM. I talked about our AUM targets and the way we can grow both through organic recruiting and acquisition. And we - when I look at it, we're going to continue to build our funding base. We've also - instead of just looking at retail, we've been building funding through our commercial build-out too, in fund banking, and you've seen that. So I believe we have adequate funding. We're talking this year about $4 billion to $6 billion of growth, plus if you take that into next year, we have funding to easily do that. So I think that was the first part of the segment. May I'll let Jim jump in here a little bit. I think you're talking a little bit about deposit base.

Jim Marischen

Analyst

Yeah. From a cash sorting perspective, I think one thing that's different this time around, maybe there's a couple of things. We're starting from a higher yield on our asset base. So we can be more competitive on a deposit beta and still make an acceptable return. That said, we've also put in some deposit programs to deal with more rate-sensitive deposits to hold on to more of the cash that sorts searching for higher-yielding deposit. And so I think those factors put us in a vastly different position. And then when you think about some of the guidance we put out on our net interest income, we're talking about on the low end, a 50% [ph] deposit beta, which is significantly higher than what we experienced in the last cycle. So even under those types of deposit betas, these are the types of NII and net interest margin we can produce. And I think as kind of inherent at the beginning of your question, you talked about things a little bit different this time.

Steven Chubak

Analyst

Thanks for that color, Jim. And maybe just one on the fee guidance. Certainly, more conservative fee guidance. I don't think it's taking any one by surprise given the tougher backdrop for the market-sensitive businesses. I was hoping you could provide just some granularity on what you're assuming for equity markets for full year '22, as we think about that mark-to-market of the guidance? And just speak to your outlook for the advisory and ECM businesses over the next few quarters. The macro is challenging admittedly, but you also cited a record backlog in advisory, which should convert at least over the next couple of quarters from here?

Ron Kruszewski

Analyst

Yeah. Look, I'll take, I mean, if you - our advisory business and all of the things that drive that business are still in place, okay? We see the environment something we need to monitor. But the overall environment is in place. And so we're optimistic about our advisory business. And that said, we had a good first quarter as well of $180 million. As in respect to the fee-based, I think our base case was we had expected a decline in the first quarter. And then Jim, what was...

Jim Marischen

Analyst

In terms of asset management, it was low mid single digit increases in the S&P 500 through the end of the year.

Ron Kruszewski

Analyst

Yeah. And so that's the basis on that we were forecasting asset management. So this recent pullback isn't the thought, but it is recent, so.

Steven Chubak

Analyst

Fair enough. And if I could just squeeze in one more just on the organic growth outlook. Despite the volatility in the quarter, certainly nice to see the adviser adds and even a large client win for the nascent independent platform. I was hoping you could disclose the level of organic growth that you saw in the quarter, recognizing it was a challenging recruitment backdrop. And over the long term, what do you see as a sustainable level of organic growth and whether that contribution from the independent channel while still early, whether that could help buoy [ph] the long-term algorithm?

Ron Kruszewski

Analyst

Our organic growth, you're talking about assets or advisers, I mean...

Steven Chubak

Analyst

Assets?

Ron Kruszewski

Analyst

Go ahead?

Jim Marischen

Analyst

Yeah. No. I would say, obviously, the first quarter is probably a little bit more challenging in terms of net new assets. It was probably low mid single digits. But I still think the dynamics for growth there mirror more of that 6% or 7% or 8% that we've experienced historically over kind of multiple operating cycles. And I think that's what we would guide to.

Ron Kruszewski

Analyst

Yeah. And I - look, our recruiting is historically, I mean, years long, successful. The independent channel is as green shoots. We see it. We're approaching the business a little bit different in what we're looking at in terms of recruiting into that channel. But it's certainly something that we are optimistic about in terms of augmenting our historical employee channel recruiting.

Steven Chubak

Analyst

Very helpful color. Thanks so much for taking my questions.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from the line of Kevin Ryan [ph] Your line is open.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Hey, thanks.

Ron Kruszewski

Analyst

Hey, Kevin.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Kevin Ryan. If you get that one. How are you guys?

Ron Kruszewski

Analyst

I don't know if your middle name was Kevin Devin Ryan...

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Exactly. Yeah. I think Steven asked all the questions with these three parters [ph] there, but let me try to take a different route. So I want to think a little bit about the bank growth and appreciate the capacity there, and you guys have had a lot of success. Can you maybe just parse through a little bit more around kind of competitive dynamics? Obviously, as rates are going up, there's more interest in other firms, obviously, expanding bank capacity as well. And Jim, you mentioned CLOs obviously has been in the market a long time. I'm curious kind of what you're seeing there, what type of yields and how attractive that is as well. So just kind of a high level on competitive dynamics in the bank and then where you're looking?

Ron Kruszewski

Analyst

Yeah. Look, first of all, we've not seen the rapid increase in money supply that we saw last year, 25% in M2. And that factor makes me believe that as much as people want to say, there's going to be a lot of demand for deposits. So that would argue against that. But the unknown factor here a little bit, Devin, is we've also not seen a scenario where the Fed is shrinking its balance sheet to the tune that they're being talked about. And that could be a factor that goes the other way. But the world of wash [ph] and liquidity, there's deposits all over the place. And I think it's - I'm not sure how much different it will be this time.

Jim Marischen

Analyst

Yeah. And maybe pivoting a little bit back specific to the categories of growth. I think the reason that we feel confident in our ability to grow is that we've diversified into a number of different lending channels. And Ron kind of spoke to that, whether it's residential lending, securities based, fund banking, venture, private banking, CRE. There is been a number of teams and people and capabilities we've invested in over the last few years that are really helping us diversify that growth. And then the comment about the CLO portfolio, that's just additional capacity there. We're seeing CLOs yielding in the 260 range. And so that's an attractive floating rate asset as we continue to see rates rise that we would happily add as part of our kind of overall asset mix.

Ron Kruszewski

Analyst

And I just want to say as it goes to funding, we're going to continue to grow. We'll grow our funding sources. We've shown our funding. But if you look at $4 billion to $6 billion of growth, do it again, $4 billion to $6 billion. I don't see us constrained by funding, while we're growing our balance sheet 15% a year. That's kind of what I think is sometimes underappreciated also, Devin, is our ability to organically generate loans and the deposit funding for that. We've grown the bank, I think, 30% a year for the last five years, and we're going to continue to grow the bank and the building blocks to do that, both to generate loan demand and fund are in place.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. Great. Thanks for all that color. And then maybe to round out from Steven's question earlier on the institutional side, you hit on kind of the advisory outlook and ECM to some degree. I'm curious, it's been a pretty healthy backdrop for fixed income. And as rates go up, just maybe talk a little bit about the implications on - and I appreciate your rate outlook isn't that we're going to some new high level. But what the implications are on either fixed income capital raising or the fixed income brokerage business, particularly, obviously, now you have Vining Sparks [ph] in there as well. So just some of the puts and takes as we transition a bit maybe in that business as well?

Ron Kruszewski

Analyst

Yeah. I think I'll comment both fixed income and equity, fixed income trading, we - as we look forward, both as I've said, some seasonal factors and the additions that we've put in. We see that business as positive and improving from the first quarter, just to give a sense. The public finance business is - it's also been challenged by just what's been happening in the high-yield market in public finance. And that's a market that's been under some stress. Overall, we think that public finance is relatively flat to last year, which was a very good year, but also up from the first quarter. Our advisory on the equity side is very, very good backlog. And as I said, the factors, the PE has a lot - the PE firms have a lot of firepower, and that's going to - that will help the advisory business, and we'll benefit from that. Equity capital markets, the first quarter that was 80% decline in equity-linked issuance and the volatility that we're seeing in the market and what I mentioned in the mix, that's going to certainly impact new issue, but the volatility also will help our trading businesses. So overall, I'm trying to paint a picture of improvement in our institutional business as we sit here today going forward.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Great. I appreciate it, Ron. Thanks, Jim as well. Appreciate it.

Ron Kruszewski

Analyst

Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Alex Blostein with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

Alex Blostein

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

Hey, guys. Good morning.

Ron Kruszewski

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

Good morning, Alex.

Alex Blostein

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

I'll probably add to the multi-parter on top of the multi-parter. So we'll keep talking about the bank for a second. So I guess I was hoping maybe you could frame out of the $28 billion of customer cash that you guys have right now. Is there a way to frame sort of a stress level in terms of what's sort of truly operational, right? So things that are set aside to pay fees for some kind of exhaust cash in the accounts versus something that could ultimately chase higher yields, given the fact that money market fund yields here will yield a pretty attractive alternative shortly. So that's kind of the first part. And then on the deposit beta side of things, I just want to make sure that we're talking to 25% to 50% is really kind of the average over the course of 2022. So potentially, we could be entering 2023 and north of 50% deposit beta. Is that potentially the message?

Ron Kruszewski

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

Maybe I'll take the first one first. And so in terms of operational cash, obviously, we're not in a regulatory regime where we're classifying those cash balances in the manner that you're talking about. That's a significantly larger bank classification to get there. But I will say the vast majority of that cash is the sweep program is operational in nature. The average balances are relatively small. There's million-plus clients in that group. And so there's a lot of money movement going back and forth. But what you'll see over time is there's a lot of consistency in that balance. And so I think the bigger item to focus on there is just the continued growth in the overall program based upon the continued success in recruiting. And that's going to continue to drive that balance higher. And we're going to have access to the vast majority of the cash available held by clients. Second item on the beta. Again, this was just for pure illustrative purposes. We were talking about a 50% beta for the full cycle on the low end. So that $800 million NII guide includes a 50% beta. The 900, we were talking about 25%. We're just trying to frame up where that could - what the impact of the beta could be on the overall NII guide. But at the end of the day, we're going to be competitive, and we're going to be moving with the market and we're going to be competitive on our deposits. And we'll see where the actual betas end up going.

Jim Marischen

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

Yeah. I mean I would just add that based on any - within any range of the beta, the impact on our NII, which I think you've [ph] actually modeled pretty well, Alex, is significant.

Alex Blostein

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

Yeah. Makes sense. Thanks, guys. The other question comes up, obviously, every call, but the stock had a rough go here, earnings power is improving. I think you guys are trading sub eight times earnings at this point. Any updated thoughts around ramping up the buyback?

Ron Kruszewski

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

We're always mindful of that. I would - the weakness in the stock historically will - at these levels and these pricing levels will result in us historically speaking, to be when we buy back stock. So we're always looking at the utilization of capital to the highest returns. Obviously, the stock price decrease that return, by the way, we look at it increases. So we're not out of the market.

Jim Marischen

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

I mean the other thing I would highlight, there's always a seasonal impact of 1Q, which I referenced. We net settled $87 million of shares, and that's a 1Q phenomenon. And so that won't continue going forward. And so you'll see probably a little bit more appetite in terms of just open market share repurchases.

Alex Blostein

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

Understood. Thanks so much.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] The next question comes from the line of Chris Allen from Compass Point. Your line is open.

Chris Allen

Analyst

Morning, guys. Thanks for taking my question. Maybe some just cleanup questions. In your trading books, were there any negative marks during the quarter? Obviously, you talked about the potential for seasonal improvement moving forward and the backdrop in certain areas looks pretty decent. Just wondering if the market movements result in any negative markets out there in the first quarter?

Ron Kruszewski

Analyst

There were no negative marks. I think when you look back a year ago, there were some positive trading gains and some warrants that we took and that's really causing some of the fluctuation from a trading P&L perspective, not necessarily losses this quarter, but the gains from the first quarter of 2021.

Jim Marischen

Analyst

And then it's been - on a comparative basis, it's been a difficult fixed income market as well, but not material in terms of losses, but a significant look year-over-year.

Chris Allen

Analyst

Understood. And then just maybe if you could provide some color on the outlook for securities-based loans here. If I recall correctly, I think they typically see some headwinds and just in the higher rates and obviously more volatile environment. So how are you thinking about that component of the loan book is going to drive growth there?

Ron Kruszewski

Analyst

I think there's still definitely good growth there. A lot of that is going to be driven by recruiting. I will say we generated new loan balances of $275 million, which just experienced some pay downs in the first quarter. And that's really what led to kind of a modest increase in this quarter. But we still see a lot of activity there and a lot of potential capacity to use that vertical to continue to loan - grow the loan book.

Chris Allen

Analyst

Understood. And the last one for me. Just looking at the other operating expense line, down sequentially and down year-over-year. Just any color there. There was pretty decent declines?

Ron Kruszewski

Analyst

Total expenses you're saying?

Chris Allen

Analyst

No, other operating expenses, the $66.6 million on an adjusted basis?

Jim Marischen

Analyst

Might have there. Are you saying in the other segment? Are you saying in...

Chris Allen

Analyst

The total...

Jim Marischen

Analyst

And on a total basis, it's going to be - the investment banking gross ups are down significantly. Obviously, given the decline in ECM activity, you saw investment banking gross is probably about down about $10 million. And so that was the biggest driver there. And I would say also year-over-year, obviously, the T&E did decline a little bit in the first quarter when the Omicron variant kind of came out. And so those are the two main factors there. Apologize. I thought you were talking about the other segment when you were saying that and...

Chris Allen

Analyst

So I wasn't seeing the fluctuation. So that’s it from me guys. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

There no further question at this time. I would now like to turn the conference back to Mr. Ron Kruszewski.

Ron Kruszewski

Analyst

Well, I want to thank everyone for joining us, and we look forward to delivering on our growth as we have over the years. Look forward to seeing everyone on the next call. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.