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The Simply Good Foods Company (SMPL)

Q1 2020 Earnings Call· Thu, Jan 9, 2020

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Operator

Operator

Greetings and welcome to the Simply Good Foods Company's Fiscal First Quarter 2020 Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. [Operator Instructions]. Please note this conference is being recorded. I will now turn the conference over to your host, Mark Pogharian, Vice President of Investor Relations. Mr. Pogharian, you may begin.

Mark Pogharian

Analyst

Thank you, Daryl. Good morning. I am pleased to welcome you to Simply Good Foods Company earnings call for the first quarter ended November 30, 2019. Joe Scalzo, President and Chief Executive Officer; and Todd Cunfer, Chief Financial Officer, will provide you with an overview of results, which will then be followed by a Q&A session. The company issued its earnings press release this morning at approximately 7:00 AM Eastern. A copy of the release and accompanying presentation are available under the Investors section of the company's website at www.simplygoodfoodscompany.com. This call is being webcast live on the website and an archive of today's remarks will also be available. During the course of today's call, management will make forward-looking statements that are subject to various risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially. The company undertakes no obligation to update these statements based on subsequent events. A detailed listing of such risks and uncertainties can be found in today's press release and the company's SEC filings. Note that on today's call we will refer to certain non-GAAP financial measures that we believe will provide useful information for investors. The presentation of this information is not intended to be considered in isolation or as a substitute for the financial information presented in accordance with GAAP. Please refer to today's press release for a reconciliation of the non-GAAP financial measures to the most comparable measures prepared in accordance with GAAP. Additionally, note that management's reference to legacy Atkins in today's presentation and remark encompasses the Simply Good Foods business excluding Quest. With that, it’s now my pleasure to turn the call over to Joe Scalzo, President and Chief Executive Officer.

Joe Scalzo

Analyst

Thank you, Mark. Good morning and thank you for joining us. Today, I'll recap Simply Good Foods first quarter highlight and provide you with some details of the performance of our Atkins and Quest brands. Then, Todd will discuss our first quarter financial results in a bit more detail and we'll wrap up with a discussion of our updated full year outlook and then open the call to your questions. With the closing of the Quest acquisition on November 7th, we’ve built a strategic initiative of acquiring a fast growing on trend business. This provides us with an additional consumer lifestyle brand that transcends forms and positions us to maintain our leadership well within the nutritional snacking category. We believe investments in our legacy Atkins brand, with the combination of Quest unlocks further growth potential for our company. We have built and continue to improve upon a consumer centric business model focused on profitable long-term growth. Our business model provides us with the financial flexibility to invest in our branded product portfolio. We have a scale efficient outsource supply chain that should enable us to increased gross margins over time, allowing us to invest in our brands, while growing EBITDA. We'll also leverage our core capabilities and product development, manufacturing and marketing to drive growth. Furthermore, this acquisition gives us an enhanced presence in key retail channels with the ability to increase availability over time. The nutritional snacking category continues to grow and outperform most center-store packaged food categories driven by healthy snacking and meal replacements megatrend. Growth continues to be in the mid to high-single-digit percentage range driven by the growth in household penetration. We're excited about the acquisition of Quest, as well as our legacy Atkins brand and believe that we are well positioned to deliver on our…

Todd Cunfer

Analyst

Thank you, Joe, and good morning, everyone. Let me start with two points as it relates to the numbers you see on the slides that follow. First, for comparative purposes, we will review financial statements for the 13 weeks ended November 24, 2018 and 13 weeks ended November 30, 2019. Second, given our asset-light strong cash flow business model, we evaluate our performance on an adjusted basis as it relates to EBITDA and diluted earnings per share. We have included a detailed reconciliation from GAAP to adjusted historical items in today's press release. We believe these adjusted measures are a key indicator of the true underlying performance of the business. I will start with a review of our first quarter and net sales drivers of growth. U.S. legacy Atkins volumes growth was plus 13.5%. Higher volume was partially offset by greater trade promotion resulting in total U.S. legacy Atkins net sales growth of 12.7%. As expected, this was slightly greater than the retail takeaway growth of 10.7% given the continued strength in our non-measured e-commerce business. As a reminder, we expect trade promotion to be a headwind to gross margin in fiscal Q2 as we reinstate bar promotions that were curtailed in the year ago period due to supply constraints. Atkins non-U.S. net sales including Canada and our international business was only up about 1.5% in the quarter, and therefore, a drag on the total company growth rate. As a result, total organic net sales growth in the quarter was 11.7%. The 24 days of Quest contribution was a 14.1% benefit, resulting in total Q1 net sales increase of 25.8%. Now for a review of first quarter results across other major metrics. Gross profit was $62.2 million in the first quarter 2020, an increase of $10.3 million or 19.8%. The…

Joe Scalzo

Analyst

Thanks, Todd. We're pleased with the start of the year and the progress we're making against our strategic initiatives to build on existing capability and strength in our brand. We have excellent marketplace momentum across the business and we're confident in capturing the growth opportunities ahead of us as well as delivering on our 2020 financial commitments. For the full year fiscal 2020 we have updated our outlook to include the acquisition of Quest. We anticipate that total Simply Good Foods Company all inclusive full year 2020 net sales will be in the $850 million to $870 million range and adjusted EBITDA in the $154 million to $158 million range. The outlook for Atkins net sales and adjusted EBITDA growth remains unchanged from guidance that we provided you on our fourth quarter conference call. Recall that we stated that the next sales growth would be at the high end of the company's long-term target of 4% to 6% while adjusted EBITDA is expected to increase somewhat higher than net sales growth. Our outlook for the full year 2020 adjusted diluted earnings per share is $0.90 to $0.95 compared to $0.77 in the prior year. Please refer to today's press release for an explanation of the company's definition of adjusted diluted earnings per share. As we've shared with you over the last two and a half years, we're confident in our business, as we execute against our strategy. We're delivering on our financial objectives, while investing in our business, a path that we believe will continue to create value for our shareholders. We appreciate everyone's interest on the business and our company and we will now are available to take your call and questions. Operator?

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. Our first question comes from the line of Jason English with Goldman Sachs. Please proceed with your question.

Jason English

Analyst

So, I wanted to come out to the new business, the one that we're all still trying to wrap our heads around and that being Quest of course. I know you only owned it for I think 24 days. But nonetheless, the contribution that we saw this quarter was a little bit lighter than we expected. Obviously, there could be a lot of timing noise there, but maybe you can [decrease] all the question just by giving us some -- what the like-for-like growth is for the business for the last quarter or I guess for the -- yes, for really the first full quarter?

Joe Scalzo

Analyst

Yes, I would say -- hey Jason, by way the easiest way to answer that Jason is just take a look at how the business is performing relative to what we told you it was going to do for calendar year 2019. It is absolutely on pace. We're very happy about the performance for the business. If you look at it overall kind of November-to-November, it’s performing, growth -- top-line growth has been kind of in the mid teens on the business. So, very happy with the performance, very much in line with our expectations. You're seeing solid growth across the brand, the total business, all the products forms, and we're very happy about that. A little bit stronger growth in the most recent quarter as they've got a little bit of pipeline from their ready-to-drink launch. But overall, it's been good growth, kind of mid teen growth top-line overall for the business on a sustainable basis over the last 12 months.

Todd Cunfer

Analyst

One of those three weeks that we owned it was the week of Thanksgiving and obviously there's a lot less shipments just because of the holiday and distribution center close. So, to Joe's point the business is completely on track, no change.

Jason English

Analyst

Totally makes sense. I got a little bit spoofed when you started telling me that 20% of the sales are declining, 20% sales. So, I'm glad we can come back and get some clarification on that.

Joe Scalzo

Analyst

Hey, Jason just step back from that, that's a multiyear trend. Business has been growing strongly through that. So there's -- and it's not something that’s different from the category. So the thing you need to understand is, it’s consumer purchasing channel habits are changing, away from specialty channel towards more traditional channels to drug, mass as well as e-commerce. So it's been a trend that this business has been offsetting on an ongoing basis for a number of years.

Jason English

Analyst

Totally, and we've seen with some other similar businesses as well, in the vitamin supplements type channel it’s been tough slightly. One more question from me. I think you’ve mentioned some cautionary comments on 2Q a multiple times. You mentioned the ERP related G&A expense stepping up in the second quarter, you mentioned the heavy up on more trade spend which I think is going to potentially subdue sales and gross margin. Can you just walk us through the headwind just like a package them all and wrap my head around of the headwinds you’re calling out for 2Q?

Todd Cunfer

Analyst

Yes. Well, you mentioned and I would say just there’s probably three or four headwinds. There is incremental promotional activity, again that’s to be generating additional volume. There probably will be a slight margin impact through it. From a marketing perspective, same issue as Q1 where just the timing over year-over-year, we had a big increase in our marketing, our second half, that’s now in our face that hit us in Q1, will again hit us in Q2. And there are -- our key related G&A expenses will start to hit in Q2 and go on for the rest of the year. So those are the other impacts. But other than that we feel really good about the rest of the year.

Joe Scalzo

Analyst

Yes. I’d also add. We are a little surprised, so if you remember what happened last year, we saw less trade inventory build in prep with the season. So we were under shipping POS in the first quarter, a little bit at the second quarter and then we saw that inventory come back obviously a less of the drill down in the second half of the year. Going into the first quarter and the second quarter, we anticipated the return to more normal levels of inventory builds. So we expected a little bit better performance in shipments relative to POS in the first quarter that frankly didn't happen to the magnitude that we were expecting. And we expect that will play out a little bit in the second quarter that we’re not seeing the inventory builds. Now we're not concerned about either because of the inventory that you don't put in, in the first quarter -- in the second quarter, you don't take out in the third and fourth. So no impacts on the total year but we were a little bit surprised of that and that will be a bit of a drag I think in the second quarter too, no net impact on the year though.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Alexia Howard of Sanford C. Bernstein & Co. Please proceed with your question.

Alexia Howard

Analyst

One question and one follow up. Firstly, in the measured channel business, in legacy Atkins, and I know you talked about this quite a bit. It looks as though the shake as expected come under pressure as the company has got tough comparables and perhaps also the competitors have emerged from a period of capacity constraints. Can you just remind us a bit just being here and what it’s going to take? It sounds the pressure in the second quarter that you expect an improvement in the second half, what gives you the confident that that’s actually going to come around? And as a follow up, can I ask about promotional activity, you talked about stepped up commercial activity. I think you were trying to answer, it was actually reducing. Should we be worried about the need for that incremental promotional activity and does that mean the competition has intensified in some part of that legacy Atkins business? Thank you very much. I will pass it on.

Joe Scalzo

Analyst

Yes, great question. On RTDs, we expected with -- we expected more competitive activity on ready to drink. We're seeing with the reemergence of BellRing’s Premier, we're seeing activity from SlimFast on their advanced line and Keto line as well as our Quest launch. So, there's a lot of promotional activity in the marketplace in the first quarter. Frankly, we've seen this, experienced this in the past and our total business were brand, so we've seen impact in forms before that’s kind of come and go ebbs and flow. We have -- the reason we're confident in the second half of year is our promotional plan significantly stronger in the second half of the year than it is it in the first, it's kind of starting right now. We'll see a fair amount of promotional activity on RTDs. We also didn't repeat a promotion in the first quarter on shakes at one of our large customers just based upon the return. So we're not surprised with where we are and we're pretty confident given the strength of promotions and the second half of the year will be fine.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of John Baumgartner of Wells Fargo. Please proceed with your question.

John Baumgartner

Analyst · your question.

I guess first off, Joe. Just wanted to circle back and clarifying that. You mentioned the surprise on the shipments in Q1 relative to takeaway. Is it fair to say, it's really just the impact of BellRing, SlimFast kind of picking more that distribution? Or is it -- are you seeing more of a working capital inventory management at retail? Because the category is not really slowing. I'm just curious what you really attribute that to?

Joe Scalzo

Analyst · your question.

Again, ask the question got to make sure I got it exactly right.

John Baumgartner

Analyst · your question.

Yes. Just the fact that you didn't really see shipments tracking stronger versus takeaway in Q1 on ready-to-drink. Was it more of a competitive movement? You mentioned the BellRing and the SlimFast or was it more on the retail side, just working capital?

Joe Scalzo

Analyst · your question.

Yes, again, they're two different points, right? We expected shipments to be a little bit stronger in the first quarter just returning to normalized inventory builds in prep store kind of January, February, March season. So if you remember 2018, the pattern of our business inventory build in the first half. And then inventory depletion in the second half. The net is you end up at the same place at the end of the year that you were in the beginning of the year. Last year, because of supply constraints and we dialed back a significant number of promotions in the second quarter, we didn't see the inventory build that we normally would see in the first half of the year, nor that we see the depletion of inventory in the second half of the year that we normally would see. So traditionally in our business, you over ship consumption in the first half and you under ship consumption in the second half of the year. We expected in this current year to return to that more normalized pattern, and frankly didn't see it to the magnitude that we would have expected. And we can tie it to a few customers who are managing their working capital a little tighter. So the net effect is not as strong sales in the first quarter as we would have normally have anticipated. And the net effects -- and we're not seeing that in the second quarter to the degree we would have expected. So the net effect is you end up shifting net sales from the first half of year into second half of the year, that'll be the net effect. We're not concerned with this from an overall total year standpoint, it’s just a little bit more timing of when the buying comes first half to half. And that's about 1 point or 2 so I think we'll experience in the first half of the year relative to second half of the year, I think it'll be 1 point or 2 of growth that will shift to the second half. Probably a lot of it in the second quarter.

Todd Cunfer

Analyst · your question.

Exactly, John. I mean that again we anticipated more normalize build. Joe just said it, I think the end result is the way -- versus the way we originally planned it, it will be a 1 to 2 point shift out of the first half into the second half.

John Baumgartner

Analyst · your question.

And just if I could add one on Quest quickly? I know a lot of the focus right now is on the RTD launch. But I'm curious looking at the salty snacks part of the portfolio, the velocity is growing very nicely year-on-year. We're seeing some nice gains in ACV as well. Following the closing of the deal I'm curious what you're hearing from retailers in terms of their desire to allocate more snacking space Quest going forward. Maybe how you're thinking about the longer term ceiling for ACV in that snacks business?

Joe Scalzo

Analyst · your question.

Yes, first, great question. I would say we're equally excited with the salty snack launch as we are with our shake launch. So I don't have a favorite child there. I'm really excited about the prospects of this business' ability to fill white space in traditional food, drug, mass. So if you look at kind of the average items, stock for Atkins, we’re in the 30s. And Quest is not half that, right? So they are earlier in their development in Atkins from a shelving standpoint, you would expect we're going to be able to build items and distribution as the business builds over time. I think that shifts because there's no competitive entry, and it's a very different daypart, very differently need today. I think you're going to see that business continue to do extremely well build distribution. And as I said, the one nice thing about this business is all these new forms are growing. But the single biggest driver of growth in the business is the protein bar business, right. And most of the growth on all these items is from base velocity. So that's more buyers coming to the brand, buying more over time. And that's a good profile and that’s a profile of the healthy company. This is not brand, this is not a business that has to have white space to grow. It's benefiting from white space to grow but it has core velocity gains, because it has more buyers coming to the brand over time.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Brian Holland of D.A. Davidson. Please proceed with your question.

Brian Holland

Analyst · your question.

Just want to confirm on the Quest component. And obviously in August you provided sort of assumptions for calendar year '19, I think about $345 million. So it sounds like Joe from your commentary that, that the year played out just as you expected. So I guess first point is that, is that fair? And then do we infer from that -- I'm sort of looking at it and sort of thinking high single low double-digit growth is kind of what's embedded in the apples-to-apples guide. So that business in 2020, am I right in the ballpark there? And then is there -- why would we decelerate from the mid-teen just how help walk through that? I guess I'm thinking about some of the shakes roll out that we just had. And that's kind of limited distribution, velocity obviously seems strong. So if you could just -- I don't know if that's just thinking about drag from the other stuff where you're being able to implement everything you want right away, if you could just help us understand that?

Joe Scalzo

Analyst · your question.

Yes, so first to answer your question, we're really excited about the business. It has great momentum. There's a lot of opportunity for growth. Product innovation driven by this leadership team is singularly outstanding. Penetration growth opportunity for this brand is boundless. So we're very excited. Last thing I am the most excited about is, it’s a brand, not a product. So as a brand promise to transforms, transcends products, those are really important components that we're really excited about. It performed as we expected it to perform for 2019, is on track for fiscal year 2020, as we anticipated and as we build into our acquisition model. The -- I can speak to the last 12 months, so the last 12 months growth has kind have been in on average mid-teens. There's a fair amount of pipeline in that. We got a back-to-back the pipeline from some product launches that won't be repeated. So, you kind of get into that neighborhood, probably the upper end of the neighborhood that you were talking about from a growth rate standpoint, as you look at our this year fiscal 2020.

Todd Cunfer

Analyst · your question.

Yes, it's going to be double -- it still has double-digit -- low double-digit growth this year. The one thing, we're just normally cautious that they have -- the product launches obviously don't have a lot of history on it. So there's some fairly wide ranges on outcomes that we tend to be conservative on our forecasts on top-line. But as Joe pointed out, business came in from both of top and bottom-line, right where we anticipated for the calendar year. It’s performing very, very well. And it's got an excellent plan for FY '20.

Brian Holland

Analyst · your question.

So I guess, and one of the questions at the time of the acquisition and probably since has been, looking at Atkins portfolio, looking at Quest portfolio, obviously, but maybe most specifically frozen, I'm interpreting from all the commentary here that, that you would anticipate largely keeping that portfolio intact 2020 and that's what what's embedded in the guidance. Is that a fair assumption?

Joe Scalzo

Analyst · your question.

Yes.

Brian Holland

Analyst · your question.

Got it. And then just last question for me. A lot of questions about the competitive landscape heating up and obviously the more promotional activity. I'm seeing more national media as well. I notice pure protein bars watching the NFL playoffs this weekend, I saw some advertising there. Where do you guys seeing on that? And are you seeing an increase in that activity as well?

Joe Scalzo

Analyst · your question.

Yes. So you see -- I mean, I was watching TV this morning, I saw the SlimFast Keto shake, you’ve seen CLIF and KIND promos. So you do see as this category builds household penetration, you got a handful of people making investments to try to grow awareness consideration trial, because they understand it's a growing category and you got to spend money to do it. We feel very comfortable with where we are from an investment standpoint. We have a high share of voice. We have high ROIs from an investment standpoint. So, I think it's good for the category, good for the category, it’s good for us. And so we love having the competition, we have -- we love bringing people to the aisle, and we think it's good overall.

Todd Cunfer

Analyst · your question.

Hey, Brian, I just want to make it clear. We're not really seeing from a promotional activity, we're not seeing a significant increase in promotional activity. And it has as always been a very competitive category and will continue to be a very competitive category. What we're seeing specifically in RTD shake is a reemergence of Premier back on shelf fully. And then just a lot of new product entries that are getting a fair amount of activity in the beginning of our fiscal year. We're not really seeing any impact on pricing, pricing has been relatively stable. So, I just want to make sure that that's not the communication.

Joe Scalzo

Analyst · your question.

And I've been leading the business for seven years, we've seen this ebb and flow over time, different brands, different forms. And if they are going to continue to do that we're not overly concerned by it. I think that again, overall, bringing people to the category is a good thing. It’s growing household penetration across. So we're not as concern, you kind of deal with the short-term wobbles by forms that you experience that it’s overall good for us.

Brian Holland

Analyst · your question.

Yes, no the data support that your brands held up to a various competitive forms and factors over the past few years. So I will leave it there.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Faiza Alwy of Deutsche Bank. Please proceed with your question.

Faiza Alwy

Analyst · your question.

So a couple of questions from me. I wanted more color on the decline in distribution that you mentioned for the legacy Atkins business and I guess the decline internationally and how should we think about that going forward?

Todd Cunfer

Analyst · your question.

So I think Joe pointed in his remarks and we had some supply constraints last year. We actually took out some items just to make it easier to -- some of our comments that are producing more of our A items. So that was self inflicted, we took some SKUs out. Despite the fact that we have had tremendous velocities in the last couple of years as we just talked about, there is a lot of new entrants, a lot of competitors out there. And we really do knocking any SKU or space across the different customers out there. So distribution is going to be kind of flattish for this year. And again we took -- we just on our own took out some items that will have very, very little impact on our business but that’s what you’re seeing in the data right now.

Joe Scalzo

Analyst · your question.

Yes, Faiza, also the thing to understand about our business is our business organizes as people make choices, organizes as the brand. So the simplest way I think about it is, they come to the shelf looking to buy Atkins. They then choose the product. So for us slight losses or gains in distribution do not materially impact our overall business. They just make another choice. If we had five items in distribution or 10 items in distribution instead of 35, that might be a different game, I think Quest is in that game. Distribution matters because they are building out a broader portfolio of products. For Atkins we have a pretty significant portfolio of products, so slight gains and slight losses really don’t impact our business evidenced in the last two years. We've grown our business two years back 35% and have been relatively flat at distribution chain. So for us it’s less of a concern, obviously we would like to be building distribution to provide consumers more variety. And when they are buying as much as they buy in a year, variety matters. Occasionally you can hit a product, they purchase the need space. The consumers are new to us and can bring people to our brand. But in general we’ve been relatively insulated from ups and downs of distribution because we communicate about a brand and then people come and choose the product. So our comment on slight distribution loss for us it’s we focus on we’re bringing households, people to the brand and if we're doing that we know we can grow our business. Over time, we would like to see that build and we’ve seen that amount of entry into the category and the pressure that’s put on the shelf, we’ve been kind of the trading water for the last call it 24 months.

Faiza Alwy

Analyst · your question.

Okay. And then I guess relatively I was wondering given Quest the digital capabilities, sort of do you see an opportunity in the e-commerce channel for Atkins and how should we think about that over the next year or so?

Joe Scalzo

Analyst · your question.

Yes, there -- just so folks know Quest is the number one bar purchased on the leading online retailer. So they grew up with Amazon and they are well developed, it is their largest customer. So Atkins is in the advanced reading class, we're doing really well. We're growing really fast, but our developer is roughly a third of theirs today. So we are absolutely going to tap into their capability and learn. Our business has been growing significantly. I think last year growth was…

Todd Cunfer

Analyst · your question.

Last year growth was about 50% plus in the first quarter. We had an exceptional quarter in e-commerce up 70%. So, as Joe mentioned, we're no slouches in this area either. But we're …

Joe Scalzo

Analyst · your question.

We're going to learn a lot.

Todd Cunfer

Analyst · your question.

We're going to learn a lot, it's about 6% of the Quest -- I mean of the Atkins business today, much larger piece of the Quest business, both teams are doing really, really well.

Joe Scalzo

Analyst · your question.

The one thing that we really liked about this deal is lots of complementary capabilities. So strengths of -- strength in the Quest team complements strength on the Atkins well. So I think the combination if we do this well and Dave Ritterbush and I are committed to do the integration well, we'll add capability as a total company when we’re all done.

Faiza Alwy

Analyst · your question.

And if it's just one last question and that’s on Quest gross margins. I think historically, you talked about over time Quest should be able to get to your legacy gross margin levels. Do you still think that that’s the case? Because I know that some of it is related to just their product mix. But I know there's some work being done on the supply chain synergies et cetera. So just related thoughts on how quickly you think their gross margins could increase closer to…?

Todd Cunfer

Analyst · your question.

Yes. I think so my best guess right now is their gross margins will get very close to ours. You made the right point, because of their product mix, they may be slightly below ours. We're sitting here two years from now. But there's clearly some upside if we do the synergy work on getting gross margins closer to ours. I think from an EBITDA margin perspective, the Atkins business and the Quest business will be about the same, but probably a little bit less on gross margins just because of that product mix, but very close.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Chris Growe with Stifel. Please proceed with your question.

Chris Growe

Analyst · Stifel. Please proceed with your question.

I just have a couple of sort of follow on questions. Misunderstood in relation to Quest and sort of the sales volatility you have for shipping the product you got. I just understand how the quarterly phasing works, so that’s sort of build through the year, there is Quest sales growth, as we think about the totality of growth for fiscal '20?

Joe Scalzo

Analyst · Stifel. Please proceed with your question.

Yes. So they are definitely -- we look at their quarters. I am not going to give the specific numbers by quarter, but I'll say that they will have larger dollar sales in the second half of the year than they do in Q2 just based on some of the activity, some of new product launch coming later in the year. But they're not a terribly seasonable -- seasonal business. But they have definitely more innovation as a percentage of their sales than we do. And because of that, sales are kind of driven by quarterly with their -- largely driven by activity, new product launches. But the way we're playing out for the rest of the year is definitely second half will be a little stronger.

Chris Growe

Analyst · Stifel. Please proceed with your question.

And then just a follow on question and not to go back to all these questions on inventory. But just a quick question on does like the Thanksgiving effect had any effect on inventories this quarter, how you shipped in the quarter? I know you said the quarter ended November 24th. And then just to understand as well, are you entering 2Q with -- would it be lower retail inventory than you expected? But are they at a level that's below which you would like to be? I guess is my question given some of this shift year-over-year?

Joe Scalzo

Analyst · Stifel. Please proceed with your question.

Yes, I think great question, Chris. So below our -- we -- again, we expected to return to more like 2018 inventory build level, right. So we were surprised in the first quarter. We're seeing continued trends in that regard in the second quarter. So less inventory build than expected. I'm not concerned about in stock position from a shelf standpoint. I'm not concerned about our ability to get displayed out into the stores. That has not been the case. So I think it's just a matter of a handful of retailers managing working capital a little tighter than they had in the past. We did have a change with one customer and how we ship to that customer, big volume and the bad debt impact, the amount of weeks of inventory on the particular item. But, again, we're not concerned at all from a total year standpoint, buy just a little bit, results and kind of shifting from the first half to the second half from a shipment standpoint. But no I'm not concerned about any impact on POS or impact on the performance of our business because of it.

Todd Cunfer

Analyst · Stifel. Please proceed with your question.

Yes. And just to be clear, no impact on the year. It looks like this is just going to be the new normal for us the way we build our inventory. Again, we thought we'd go a little bit more to what we've historically done. It really hasn't gotten back to that curve. That's perfectly fine, as Joe pointed out, so we’re having no impact on our point of sale results. And probably -- we will probably play our business a little smoother next year. But no impact to the year.

Chris Growe

Analyst · Stifel. Please proceed with your question.

And then just a quick question on Thanksgiving effect at the end of the quarter timing. Does that matter at all do you think to your shipments?

Todd Cunfer

Analyst · Stifel. Please proceed with your question.

We heard some noise around just because of the concentrated, late Thanksgiving, shorter holiday period. Some retailers were still focused on the holiday specific goods that they were just less willing to take their non-seasonal types of inventory. Whether -- how big of an impact that was? I'm not sure. But I don't think it was a major impact.

Operator

Operator

Next question comes from the line of Eric Larson with Buckingham Research Group. Please proceed with your question.

Eric Larson

Analyst · Buckingham Research Group. Please proceed with your question.

Yes. Thanks for taking my question. And Happy New Year to everybody. Joe, you kind of alluded to some of the -- not actually directly, the big surprise in your fiscal '19 year was the strength of the buy rates that you had on your Atkins brands. And now looking at kind of your velocity, base velocities, it looks like buy rates -- again, it look like they're pretty strong again in Q1. Can you talk a little bit about the buy rates? And then what's the comps are maybe on a quarter-over-quarter basis for the year? And then finally, buy rates, are they use easy to measure on the Quest bars -- on the Quest customers as they are on the Atkins because you sell Atkins mainly in multipack? How do you -- I just have never asked that question. So I'm curious on how you measure buy rates potentially for Quest as well?

Joe Scalzo

Analyst · Buckingham Research Group. Please proceed with your question.

Yes, let me -- so let me answer the second question, because I think it's an easier question. You measure it the same way as household panel, you buy the panel, you analyze it. So that is not data that -- the IRI panel that we buy is not the data that the Quest team has brought. So we're going to be accessing that. We will be taking a look at that over time. And we'll be forming a point of view from a consumer modeling standpoint that we'll talk to you about at a later date. As it pertains to tracking buyers, and buy rate, careful at any one quarter, it's not a lot of data, right. So sample size matters, the panels themselves are not huge, and they're not designed really to be read in a quarter, you need more purchase occasions, more buyers over time. So, there's nothing in the first quarter that would lead us to believe that the perspective that we provided you last quarter would be any different. We're going to grow total buyers, we expect buy rates to be relatively moderate for the year, in line with last year. So don't get too excited about a quarter’s worth of data, it’s too shorter period of time to do any kind of reading.

Operator

Operator

Our final question come from the line of Rebecca Scheuneman of Morningstar. Please proceed with your question.

Rebecca Scheuneman

Analyst

So, I just kind of have a higher level question this morning. As you look at the Atkins brand with 85% brand awareness and 67% of Americans looking to reduce net carbs, it seems like there'd be great market share opportunities for your brands in the nutritional snacking category. And if you could speak to the whole category, including the non-tracked channel that would be great? But I feel more comfortable limiting it to the traction of this, thank you. I was just kind of wondering where is your current market share at, hopefully including non-tracked? And then where do you see that this can potentially get to in the next couple of years?

Joe Scalzo

Analyst

Yes, high level depends upon the denominator, right. So if you want to measure, we measure total nutritional snacking so whether we include brands like CLIF and KIND, include shakes like SlimFast, Premier. So it’s a broad category. We're kind of in the low teen…

Todd Cunfer

Analyst

10%, 11%.

Joe Scalzo

Analyst

Yes, 10%, 11%, 12%, right. So, the unfortunate thing neither IRI or Nielsen’s competitive panel makes any sense at all, so you have to do a custom panel, you have to choose your competitive set based on other data. So, we're right there with the market leaders, and everybody shares kind of low double-digit, is the way to think about it. We have grown share significantly over the last call it five years, and continue to outpace that category growth. And again, this is a category at the highest level, Rebecca that is massively under penetrated. So if you're in center-store, you're in a category where you've got 95% household penetration, and all the competitors are trying to steal share of in food, share of someone. I want more of your occasions than somebody else does. This category is fundamentally different. You're trying to grow the house, you're trying to grow, bring more households into the category. And I think my job is -- with Atkins as well as Quest is to make sure we're doing that better than the rest of the competitors. So when it's all done, our penetration is higher than everyone else's. So it’s a game of, are you bringing new buyers to your brand over time? And do you have a loyalty model such that the cost of bringing those people in gives you a good return. So that's what we're focused on. And one of the reasons I like competitive activity is it brings people to the category and I have the chance to put them and get them over to my side. So, the game is different and we're talking about trying to grow total buyers, grow household penetration, bring more people to our brands over time. The nice thing about Atkins has been historically when we bring somebody to the brand, they stay, they stay for multiple years and they buy more and the purchase -- their purchase amounts of this business are mind-boggling. So you are year one buyer, you are close to -- you're buying close to the 40 servings a year. When I bring you in, in the second year you buy a 100, in the third year you buy a 100. So my return in bringing somebody new to my brand is pretty high because I get a three year total purchase somewhere in the 250 servings over three year period. I can make a lot of money on this people. So that’s what we are focused on. We try to grow a bigger house, grow penetration faster than the categories growing it. And if I do that well I will grow market share relative to the other competitors. Does that answer your question?

Rebecca Scheuneman

Analyst

Yes. If you love to quantify where you think your market share could ultimately settle out, and given then that's an extremely competitive category. I'd love to hear that.

Joe Scalzo

Analyst

You're asking me to call growth in the category over multiple years, in a category that's kind of very volatile and changes speed all the time. That's really difficult. And I had a lot of experience of this from my white wave days with sale kind of rise, it's really, really difficult to grow category growth and under-penetrated nascent category. I fundamentally believe that we can deliver our long-term algorithm. I fundamentally believe we can grow faster than the category. And I'm going to do that by staying focused on marketing return, bringing buyers in and paying attention to my loyalty over time. And I think that's a matter of effective marketing, good innovative product innovation on the shelf that will bring different need states and use occasions to the consumers and stay focused on advertising my brand, not specific products over time. And I think Quest looks the same. I think Quest has a great brand promise. I think it transcends forms. I think Dave's team has proven that. And I think we've -- and making sure we stay focused on what that brand promises, communicating the brand first, the product second, I think we'll be able to do that.

Operator

Operator

We have reached the end of the question-and-answer session. I'll now turn the call back over to management for any closing remarks.

Joe Scalzo

Analyst

Yes. Thanks again for your participation on our call today. We look forward to updating you on our second quarter results in April. Everyone, have a good day. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

This concludes today's conference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation and have a great day.