Thank you for standing by and welcome to the Sonoco Products' First Quarter 2022 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Please be advised that today's conference maybe recorded. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to hand the call over to Roger Schrum, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Thank you, Latif and good morning everyone and welcome to Sonoco's first quarter 2022 investor conference call. Joining me today are Howard Coker, President and Chief Executive Officer; Rodger Fuller, Chief Operating Officer; and Julie Albrecht, Chief Financial Officer. Also I'm pleased to announce that Lisa Weeks has joined Sonoco and will be my successor as Head of Investor Relations. Lisa is on the call with us today and I will be working with her on a transition during the next several months. We're glad to have Lisa as part of the Sonoco team and welcome aboard. A news release reporting our financial results was issued before the market opened today and is available on the Investor Relations website at sonoco.com. In addition, we will reference a presentation on our first quarter financial results, which was posted on the website this morning. Before we go further, let me remind you that today's call and presentation contains a number of forward-looking statements based on current expectations, estimates, and projections. These statements are not guarantees of future performance and are subject to certain risks and uncertainty. Therefore, our actual results may differ materially. Furthermore, today's presentation includes the use of non-GAAP financial measures, which management believes provides useful information to investors about the company's financial condition and results of operations. Further information about the company's use of non-GAAP financial measures, including definitions as well as a reconciliation of those measures to the most closely related GAAP measure is also available in the Investor Relations section of our website. Now, with that introduction, I'll turn it over to Julie.

Thanks Roger. I'll begin on slide three, where you see that earlier this morning, we reported first quarter earnings per share on a GAAP basis of $1.17 and base earnings of $1.85 per share. This very strong result is $0.50 higher than the top end of our original guidance range of $1.25 to $1.35 per share, and $0.05 above the updated range that we provided on March 22nd of $1.70 to $1.80 per share. In addition, these results are $0.85 ahead of the $1 a base EPS that we delivered in the first quarter of last year, with our legacy businesses driving $0.50 per share of this increase. The balance comes from the addition of Sonoco Metal Packaging to our portfolio, reflecting strong operating results that are net of interest expense on the debt we issued to fund the acquisition. Related to the $0.68 per share difference between base and GAAP EPS, I'll first highlight that most of these non-base items are driven by the Metal Packaging acquisition and/or significant inflation and most notably, the dramatic increase in steel costs this year. The largest non-base item of $0.37 per share was for acquisition-related net cost driven by the Metal Packaging transaction. These were primarily from the partial write off of purchase accounting step-up on the acquired inventory, as well as cash-based professional fees. Next, we had an add back of $0.14 per share related to an acquisition intangibles amortization expense, which as we announced in February, is a change in our base earnings definition starting this year. All of our prior year results have been recast to reflect amortization expense as non-base. The next item was a $0.14 per share increase in our LIFO reserve, driven by the significant steel inflation and on a go-forward basis, any changes in our…

Okay, well thanks Julie and good morning everyone. Let me start with some brief comments on our record first quarter performance. I'll bring you up to date on our capital spending plan, and then provide some thoughts about market trends where you see entering the second quarter. Now, our team delivered exceptional results during the first quarter, which exceeded the high end of our updated guidance provided towards the end of March. I've been with Sonoco for more than 35 years and this is the first time that I can remember that both our Consumer Packaging and Industrial Packaging segments achieve record top and bottom-line performance in the same quarter. In addition, we welcome Metal Packaging to the Sonoco family on January 26th and we were very pleased with our better than expected first quarter results. We continue to make solid progress on our integration activities and look forward to the contributions the team will make to our future success. You may have read that we recently named Ernest Haynes President of Metal Packaging. Ernest will walk alongside Jim Peterson to ensure a seamless transition. Ernest is a veteran can maker, having run our North American Paper Can and Closures business since 2018. I have complete confidence in him and our overall Metal Packaging team. I want to also thank Jim for his willingness to stick around over the coming months to help Ernest in this transition. In addition to building the Metal Packaging team, our integration process is well underway. We've identified and are implementing several synergy opportunities, including optimizing raw material purchases, leveraging our indirect spend, and coordinating our supply chain logistics. Combined, we believe we should easily meet our target of $20 million in cost savings by 2024. Another key element to our future success is our…

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Mark Weintraub of Seaport Research. Your line is open.

Thank you. Congratulations first, obviously, a fantastic quarter. Question for you just as we don't get ahead of ourselves, you did reference, the one-time cost price benefit in the first quarter. And I do see that you raised guidance for the next three quarters. So, certainly, the underlying earnings power seems to indeed be stronger. But could you bracket how significant what you would define as one-time cost benefits in the first quarter were?

Sure Mark. Basically, what we've seen in first quarter is a net of between $0.30 to $0.35 and really materializing in the consumer sector. So, that that is what we are viewing as the one-time benefit in the quarter. But what I do want to do is walk you back. And so if you net that out, and as you know that the underlying performance of the business, you net that out and we're about $1.50 against last year's $1 per share performance. So, we are absolutely thrilled with -- how the businesses are performing, how they're proceeding. Julie talked about price/costs, $85 million in the quarter alone, with that being split between Industrial and Consumer, we've got select margin improvements that we talked about. And of course, we had a base contribution from the acquisition as well. So, about -- not $0.30 to $0.35 as one-off and just a real positive outlook on the go forward basis.

Super. And one follow-up. As you're thinking about the rest of the year, what type of inflation expectations are you building in? Is it sort of more of the same more inflation? And are you beginning to see any signs of flattening out, for instance, there have been some commentary that maybe freight is starting to even come in a little bit. Are you seeing any of that or is that still to be hoped for, but not apparent yet?

Hey, Mark, this is Rodger. Good question. Yes, we are building a more inflation than we did when we last spoke to you back in February. The most significant really is resin, we talked about it 8 -- I think 8% to 10% increase in resin in February, now it's more like 18% to 20%. So, almost double. And then if you translate that into some of our laminations we purchased for our flexible business, we're seeing increases there. The balance, paper packaging materials, freight, were really staying stagnant. Still up at about the same we said in February. As far as your questions particularly on freight, we've seen the spot market, some on freight, which is a good sign, but contract market, no. So, it's still very solid volumes, contract markets very solid, we have seen the spot market ease up some so that could be temporary or that could be a sign that is slowing. I think it is too early at this point to really make a call on if it's a significant shift or not.

Yes, Mark I might add is if you look at our go forward guidance, we don't know what's going to really happen. But I think what module will kind of cover it is how we're viewing I got to the end of the year. So, that's our expectations.

Super, appreciate it.

Thank you. Our next question comes from Adam Josephson of KeyBanc. Please go ahead.

Thanks. Good morning, everyone and Lisa, welcome.

Thank you.

Good morning, Adam.

Good morning, Howard. A couple clarification questions from me as well. Of the EBITDA guidance increase of $85 million, can you help me with how much was price/cost? And just also help me with what your updated price/cost expectation for the year is in terms of millions of dollars compared to what it was before?

Yes, sure. Hey, Adam, it's Julie. I really say most of that EBITDA increase is price/cost. And again, just pretty -- I say broad across the business, but really, the strong Q1, as Howard mentioned, is really just a key driver there. And then when we look at how we've refreshed our view on the full year, when it comes to really all of our key drivers and bridge items, we absolutely have increased our outlook for contribution from price/cost. I'd say right now we're probably looking at to operating profit and closer to like $125 million ish of positive price/costs. So, if we delivered $85 million, like we did in the first quarter, you can tell that we expect that to normalize some in the coming quarters, but the outlook there is again, upwards of $125 million.

Thanks Julie. Just related to that, I think, Ball Metalpack EBITDA last year was about $110 million if memory serves and I think you were previously expecting EBITDA of about $130 million this year. Forgive me if I'm off, but what is your current expectation along those lines compared to what the business' EBITDA was last year?

Yes. Thanks Adam. You're correct. And last year and what our go-forward expectations were and -- we had pretty clear visibility of that $130 million, $135 million type range. As we come out of the blocks, continue to see just great performance, as I talked to when we first announced the acquisition with the new, almost $200 million of capital spent in that business over the course of two years. And frankly, it played into our valuation as well that we were going to see increased productivity coming off of lines that literally we're starting off in November, December and these were major capital investments. So, we made our best guess at about $130 million, $135 million and if we look into the go-forward, we're probably going to be north of that in the $160 million-ish range. So, again, very, very pleased with -- how the business is moving forward.

And Howard if you consider that kind of a normalized number, or do you think there are some one-time benefits in there and perhaps we shouldn't think of that as kind of a run rate level of profitability for the business?

I like to think of as a run rate, go forward as the synergy start kicking in and the productivity continues. So, from the visibility I have today, if we go into 2023 and beyond, I would say that, yeah, that's what we hope and expect will happen.

Got it. Wow. And just one last one on demand, can you talk about Howard what you're seeing in April, to the extent that it differed at all, from what you saw in 1Q and just given the substantial price increases that you and your competitors and your customers and everyone are implementing? When would you expect to see Some demand elasticity. I mean, we -- your volume was up 4% in consumer, obviously CPG -- food volumes have been down, but your volume was up nicely. How are you thinking about that issue of demand elasticity as we progress through the year?

Yes, I'm going to ask Rodger to speak really more granularly. But what I'd say is that as we enter April, we're seeing more of the same in terms of overall demand. We've got softness in select markets, obviously, China, that, you know, we feel really, really good about the visibility we have right now. So, Rodger, if you don't mind, just talk through what we're really seeing around the world.

Yes, Adam, I think Industrial would be the one to look at, if you're talking about demand elasticity, but we actually expect Industrial volumes to be better in the second quarter than the first. If you look at our first quarter, we had a number of one-time events like winter storms in North America, which took 10,000 tons of ERB out of our system, disrupted a number of our converting plants. One time issues in Europe we had a plan, three week downtown at one of our large paper mills in Europe with his footprint consolidation in Europe. So, the market itself in the Americas and in Europe held up extremely well, in the first quarter. And we're seeing that continue into April, maybe we'll see some impacts from the issues in Ukraine in the second quarter in Europe. But so far, we've not really seen anything that would raise concern other than actions we're taking in Russia, which Howard has already talked about. Asia is the challenge primarily in China, for example, our cone volume in China was down 30% in the first quarter versus the first quarter last year. Our tube and core business was down 16.5% in Asia versus last year all in on China, about the Southeast Asia held up fairly well. So, I guess the point is, we feel like an Industrial volumes will hold up well into the second quarter, which I think it's a good sign for, the economy overall. And we're not seeing any pullback from what you said around price increases. In fact, our, our, our global ERP system, this continues to be sold out, we continue to have customers on allocation and we're seeing no letup in demand. And the all other segments, really recovering from all the COVID issues. That segment was most hit by COVID. We're seeing recovery in our medical business, we're seeing recovery in our retail security business, and of course, the ThermoSafe business continues to be strong and growth. So far, as Howard said, nothing major changing. And in the second quarter, and again, we actually expect Industrial would be slightly better.

And Adam I would add more to your question.

Nice Rodger. Yes.

Where's the macroeconomic situation? There's a lot of concern about what the economy's going to look like during the second half of the year. And I'll just remind you that, we participate 80% of our consumer businesses and what I would call a staple food items, and we perform extremely well as we see consumer activity slowdown. I hate to say the word recession, but that's been floated around that we've always really driven well through that. And that's the way we expect it to play out.

Got it. Thanks a lot Howard.

Thank you. Our next question comes from George Staphos of Bank of America. Your question please. Sure. Hi, everyone. Good morning. Thanks for all the details. Lisa, congratulations, we look forward to working with you, big shoes to Phil. Roger, thanks for all you've done, again, and we look forward to working with you in the transition. I wanted to hit on -- since Adam teed it up a review back again on Ball Metal and so when I look at the bridge on EBIT, and you had about $49 million of benefit, and that was net of divestitures. So that -- if being simplistic about it would suggest that annualizing that you're running maybe upwards of $200 million out of Ball Metal, if I do that for the whole year. Howard, why is the new run rate only $160 million on the one hand? And then on the other hand, when you gave us the updated guidance, what changed in terms of the productivity? That's a big jump from $130 million, $135 million to the $160 million. So, a couple of questions are on Ball Metal and acquisitions.

Sure George. I noted first comments, we do see that there's about $0.30 to $0.35 that are in the consumer sector that is related to what we would call one-off hike. And that in turn catching up in terms of productivity. Now, within that I will say that is across the consumer sector, not just in D&P or S&P now. And in terms of the productivity items, I talked about the real and it's just what we model out in terms of better performance on these capital investments that we've made on top of that the centers, big part of the pull down from an annualized in one quarter, which I noticed [indiscernible] there's going to be a bit of a fall off, and we're going to see normalization. But at the same time, we're going to see some ramp up as it relates to productivity and incentive fees coming into light.

Okay, I appreciate that, Howard. And if we could talk a little bit about what was actually one-off in the quarter within consumer in terms of those price/cost benefits, if there's a way to sort of parse that? And then if I do some simplistic math on that, take the $0.30, $0.35, multiply by shares, gross it up for tax, it kind of suggests that consumer may be over earned by 4% to 5% margin. Would that be fair? So parse that, and then is that a decent adjustment factor for the margin in terms of where you should be 2Q, 3Q in Consumer?

Hey George, it Julie.

Hey Julie.

Hey. I think one thing that to your prior question, just to be sure, I want to make sure we get all the dots connected, of course, the operating profit bridge, and when we look at that acquisition divestiture bucket, that's operating profit. And Howard's comment, of course, was EBITDA with the -- so I just wanted to make sure that you had all that lined up. But yes, when we look at the what -- some of the some of the key things, I mean, I will say there are various, one-time items in that $0.30 to $0.35, obviously, some positive price/cost. But as well, we talked about higher SG&A around comps and benefits and some IT spending that type of thing that are also we view as a little bit unique in the first quarter, but we actually view that as consistent in 2022 and things that very well may normalize as we get into 2023. So, some positives related to price/cost and timing of some things. But then some of the things we've netted against that are really in the SG&A arena. So, just to kind of get that color in. And I just want to highlight, I mentioned this in my prepared comments, but really, just really important to note that a lot of that benefit in Q1 in consumer, price/costs, really was recovery from negative price/costs last year, and we didn't get all the way recovered in that regard. And we do expect some additional timing of that recovery to come in the second quarter. But anyway, so when you look at -- really for us, we're looking at, hey, how to price/cost, especially in consumer perform quarterly and through 2021. And again, we were negative most of 2021, and for the full year, and then Now how's that trending into 2022, of course, by quarter. And again, the first quarter was just a real positive, kind of catch up from some of that negative timing of last year and we do expect that, again, to normalize as we move forward. I think as far as consumer margins going into Q2, I think you probably have underestimated that just a little bit. I think that kind of maybe 11%-ish range is probably more appropriate for what we're looking for in the second quarter for consumer.

Okay. And I appreciate that, Julie and I'll turn it over after this question. And I don't want to belabor it. Again, you had a great quarter and congratulations to you starting the year off on such a strong footing. What I heard you saying though, is basically comparisons were easy, right? You were running negative price/costs last year, you caught up a lot of your contracts allow for the catch up on January. So, yes, you had a very strong price/cost and consumer, but I'm still not sure why that's kind of a one-time and why it doesn't continue going forward. Other than your comps get tougher, but your margin shouldn't drop. So, help me understand if there's anything else that I need to be mindful of? Thanks and I'll turn it over and good luck in the quarter.

So, George last year I think first quarter was about 14% in consumer and that’s with substantial fielding negative for the year -- negative lifestyle. Once again, I can point towards my opening comments around the $0.30 to $0.35 net positive impact that we have seen before. We do have increased margin. I think opportunities come in as it relates through -- we haven't called off on all of our contracts yet. So, we've got contracts that they'll come in the price movement doesn't come into play until the second quarter. And similarly, on the paper side of the business, we have saying -- in fact if you look at last year, for the second half of the year, we recovered very little on our paper fan side of the business doing -- the type of [indiscernible]. So, that's a long-winded way of saying 11% to 13%, that's more of my range, I think, as we look into the second quarter, and we'll see how that plays itself out for the second half of the year.

All right. Thanks very much, Howard.

Thank you. Our next question comes from a Anojja Shah of BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Hi, good morning, everyone.

Good morning.

Good morning.

Morning. I just wanted to ask about the healthcare portion of all other. In your comments at the beginning of this call, we heard a very positive mentions of COVID vaccine shippers, I think you said 28 million and pickup in medical spending. But then the release has mentioned lower healthcare packaging demand. Can you just clarify that a bit?

Not quite sure. You'd like to answer the question?

Well, I think this is great. I think the ThermoSafe business performed very well. And it was our 2Q medical thermoform containers that actually did have lower demand in the first quarter. And I believe that was the only piece of that particular business group that had lower demand. So that was the -- that's the outlier there. So, two medical businesses, but very different markets.

That's right. That's right Julie. This is Rodger. Yes, that was specifically the ThermoScan probe covers for air thermometers that really took off during the pandemic. And have now settled back to actually lower levels than normal as they built up a lot of inventory. But that's a very specific issue and that medical business, but across that we're seeing pickup and elective surgeries, all the operating room products are coming back. So, it is playing out like we thought, but it was really negative on that one product, which is fairly significant for that business.

Got you. Thank you very much for that. And then the other question I wanted to ask about was the labor shortages, I know this has been going on for a while, and certainly not just you guys. But what actions can you take or what have you been taking? And is this sort of accelerating your plans around automation?

Absolutely, yes, this is Rodger again. Yes, if you would ask that question six months ago, I'd say we were about 10% short of people on average in our U.S. plants have eased up some now it's probably 5% to 7%. So, still shortage. But we've got a very comprehensive automation strategy. Now, we talked last year about a partner that we just joined with Sonoco, one of the best integrators in the country and we've got a very comprehensive plan. And we're rolling out primarily focused on those large -- four large businesses that Howard talked about early on before integrated businesses, where we can multiply that effect by standardizing across various high light converting operations or like packing operations. So, the answer is absolutely that takes some time, of course. But as you as you mentioned that entry level job is the one we really need to attack, especially on off shift. So, that automation strategy will pay off over the coming years.

Great. Thank you very much.

Thank you. Our next question comes from Ghansham Panjabi of Baird. Your line is open.

Thanks operator. Good morning everybody. So, I was hoping you'd get a little bit more of a bridge on the Industrial segment. Just kind of reconcile your comments about $85 million in price/cost. And roughly half of that came from that segment, so that's, let's say $40 plus million, and the operating profit only being up $20 million. If you could just give us some of the offsets there.

Yes, sure. Hey Ghansham. Yes, when we look at Industrial -- I mean, yes, the one positive operating profit driver, there absolutely was very strong price/costs, like we like we've mentioned. Really -- again, as you know, we've mentioned volume and so the drop through two operating profit was slightly negative, not that material, but a little bit of a headwind. And as well, I mentioned their productivity was slightly negative as well. Again, I'd say not that material, but both the lower demand at the total industrial level as well as the weaker productivity or slight headwind to that price/cost benefit. Really, the rest of that is what we call that other bucket. And again, really higher SG&A expenses. So, not just specific to industrial, but really at the company level and allocated across the segments. So again, as I mentioned, we've got inflation and comp and benefits, we are doing really good things in IT. That strategy continues, and Rodger just mentioned some of that focus on automation. But we've got other digital-oriented cybersecurity tech projects that we're investing in there. And so again, that -- the rest of that call it, negative impact, operating profit is really in that other category.

Ghansham let me just add as well. We talk about the negative volume and industrial that really have isolated to Europe and our Asian operations. Of course, Russia, but we had our single largest core customer has not operated due to strikes. They have union activities they've had since the beginning of the year, I'm not even sure are they operational yet.

Not yet.

Still aren't operational. And of course, Rodger has already talked to the impact in China. On the productivity side, particularly as it relates to Western Europe and here in the United States, demand is so strong in our European network that just simply drives negative productivity, certainly drives price and price/cost improvements, that we've well noted that lots of change overs and other supply chain issues that has caused us to miss our productivity targets, but soon as things normalize, our expectation is that the tight market, we should continue with a solid price/cost scenario in industrial, and we'll start seeing our productivity start ramping up accordingly.

Okay. Thanks for that Howard. On the consumer side, I mean, you know, so the volumes were very, very strong at plus 4%, yet a relatively healthy comparison from a year ago also. As I look at my model, I mean, the fourth quarter was down in that segment. So, do you sort of see that as just normalization between two quarters from a buying standpoint? Or do you see actual underlying strength? And then second, as it relates to all other also very strong volume quarter, but we're seeing a lot of headlines associated with auto production, moderation, given all the various iterations of issues that continue. So, should we expect that segment to start moderating as well from a volume standpoint as the year unfolds? Thanks.

Yes, thanks Ghansham. We tried to note, get across in fourth quarter on our consumer side, we really had supply chain disruptions from our customers. We had one of our largest customers here in North America, did not operate for two and a half weeks or so because they just simply could not get their necessary raw materials. In turn, that has led to a recovery that we're seeing and to enter the first quarter of this year. So, in particular -- but if you get down to it, the candidness was roughly flat globally. But I'd like to point out that that's against a 4% increase Q1 of last year, a COVID-related type environment, high, high demand. So, we're really pleased that that we've held on to that type of volume. And then we've seen just continued ramping up of the plastics side of the business in terms of the trays, frozen, and ready-made meal sector. So that continues to improve. And Rodger if you want--?

Yes, I would just add Ghansham, the flexible business continues to show good growth and it's not only the recovery of segments like confectionery which was up, probably 25%, but that business is doing a fantastic job of going out and winning new business, new products with new customers, share from some of our existing accounts, and flexibles was up significantly in the quarter and we expect that to continue into the into the second quarter. The only challenge there as getting the materials we need to make the product. All other will say a little bit of moderation in ThermoSafe because we had the slug of COVID vaccine packages in the first quarter. We'll see some of that, but not as much in the second quarter. But again, if you look across the Board, our [indiscernible] business, our retail security business , our medical business, other than the examples I've already given the -- one example have already given is picking up, so I would expect all others to look a lot like the second -- the first quarter and the second quarter, we see volumes there holding up fairly well. You mentioned automotive, that’s our protective business. It was weak in the first quarter. So, we would expect a little bit of the same in the second quarter. But all-in-all, I think volumes will be solid for the second quarter in all other just like first.

Okay. Thanks so much.

Thank you. Our next question comes from Joshua Spector of UBS. Please go ahead.

Hi, this is Lucas Beaumont on for Josh. Good morning. I was just wondering if we could talk a little bit more about Metalpack volumes. Could you tell us what the growth was a year-on-year? And how you see the demand progressing sequentially? Yeah,

Yes, volumes were -- really don't have a great comparative, we didn't have them last year. But my understanding is slightly down. And frankly that has to do with some of the COVID -- on the aerosol side, some of the COVID products that were in, obviously, high demand, but not -- I wouldn't say materially down. We're looking forward to the really busy part of the season, which is starting now, we're starting to build inventories as we get into the tax season, and to the second and third quarter. So, at this point in time, we really don't have any concerns about the go-forward volumes on the business.

Great. Thanks. And then just on the paper side, or if you guys could just update us on your outlook for OCC and up from here. So, -- and the spreads at the moment are kind of pretty much at record labels. So, sort of just wondering how you guys are thinking about the sustainability of that as we move through the year?

Lucas, I think your question is around OCC?

Yes, OCC and URB and with the spreads kind of being at record levels currently. So, how you kind of see the outlook for both there through the year and whether you think the spreads are sustainable from here or not? Thanks.

Yes. First of all, firstly, say I think we're about 150 right now in South Asia. I'd love to look at things as we might see, maybe a slight decline for the second quarter. But there's things normalize in the second half of the year from a demand perspective, new volume or capacity coming on strain, remodeling somewhere between and second half -- somewhere between $160 and $165. Picking up during the second half of the year. But the spread, we don't we see it maintaining itself, the URB market is continuing to be tight. We are still remaining on allocations, we're very much looking forward for the number 10 machine to complete its conversion so that we can get back up to full supply of the amount of demand that we have. So, my new term is we have seen a bifurcation of price/cost. And we expect that continue as market dynamics right now appear to support that from going into the future. So, really bullish about no matter what OCC does that the type of spreads we're enjoying today will continue into the foreseeable future.

Great. Thank you.

Thank you. Our next question comes from Kyle White of Deutsche Bank. Your question please.

Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking the question and congrats on a pretty strong quarter. Just focus on the Hartsville and the conversion there, are you able to give us kind of the negative impact that you're expecting related to the downtime that you're going to take the third quarter as you convert that machine? And then any kind of thoughts about maybe even potentially prolonging that just given some of the price increases that we're seeing over on medium and the benefits you're getting from that as well?

So, for number 10, third quarter impacts, what are some around $10 million spread between the third and the fourth. Third and fourth quarter. And the second part of the question? I'm sorry, Kyle.

Yes, second part was just if -- you haven't given any kind of thoughts to potentially even prolonging or delaying that conversion, just given kind of the strengthen in medium and the recent price increase that that market discount as well?

Yes, thanks. Interesting question. So, the first part of that is certainly the delays of not purchase. But no, we think that whoever just said we're sure right now in terms of meeting the overall demand on URB, the price call spread is very attractive right now. So, all of the original economic assumptions we made from the beginning remain true that yes, line of board or medium is strong right now, but URB is equally as strong. So, -- and with pent-up demand to help load the machine up as it starts. So, all good.

Sounds good. And then for my second question just on M&A. I mean, clearly you're in deleveraging mode following the Metalpack acquisition right now. But you can't always time when deals and assets come to market. So, I'm curious if you would have any appetite from an operational and a financial standpoint, in the event that an asset comes to market in the food and aerosol cans space?

Right now, Kyle, we're really focused on the integration of the business. There's a lot of balls in the air around the globe. Our focus, again, is this, this this nail this integration with deliver on the promise that we've made to our shareholders on this one. And we'll see what happens, depending on opportunities that may or may not come into play.

Sounds good. I'll hand it over and good luck with the balance of the year.

Thank you.

Thanks.

Thank you. Our next question comes from Gabe Hajde of Wells Fargo Securities. Your line is open.

Howard, Julie, Rodger, Lisa, good morning.

Good morning.

Good morning.

I hate to belabor the point here, but I guess maybe just for posterity sake and to make sure maybe I understand. Can you tell us EBITDA contribution from the Metalpack acquisition in the first quarter?

We really have never talked about individual business unit results. We've always focused on the fragment.

Yes, I mean, you can look at the operating profit bridge. And obviously, there's some net there of the contribution to operating profit of against Metalpack addition versus the Display and Packaging. U.S. divestiture last first quarter, albeit, as you're aware, DMP us was a relatively small decline year-over-year because it just the nature of the size of that business. So yes, I think we probably can leave it at that from operating profit, kind of, contribution from really that net M&A activity.

Okay, maybe a point of clarification, Howard, on the $0.5 million of spending in Metal Packaging, is that return capital i.e. incremental above and beyond? I think what you identified as the $20 million to $25 million of sort of maintenance capex that was required for that business, and then post adding some of this two piece capacity, is that in fact replacing existing three piece capacity? Or is it adding incremental two piece capacity, if that makes sense? And then how much after the fact will be remaining that three piece?

Yes. Gabe it is almost all value added capital that we sent off. It's not new to base investments, expansion of two piece lines to increase productivity is a big part of that. And the remainder is also tied to two, increasing productivity on various operations throughout the business. So, I'm not saying it was -- and I haven’t said that, it was well capitalized going in with state-of-the-art equipment that the team and we all agreed that we could actually improve on those initial investments, enhancing down the decrementals, so spread out over -- I'm trying to think through part of the largest of the 25. There's a couple of 5 million and then there's a tail off from there that no, it's all about, how do we become even more stronger than we are today?

Okay, last one for me. Maybe Julie, can you -- I mean, I'm coming up with to kind of get back into the range with respect to the bridge between EBITDA and operating cash flow, working capital, use of $75 million to $100 million. Is there anything else in there? Does that number sort of resonate with you and anything else that we should be mindful of?

Yes, I think on a full year basis, you're spot on. And I will tell you, it's tough in this environment to forecast full year change in working capital. But our teams are very focused, I'll just add this on, you know, collecting receivables on time, managing our inventories appropriately. And then we're just looking at all kinds of ways. And especially even with Metalpack, bringing the Sonoco balance sheet to Metalpack actually is helping us better manage their working capital. So, just a little color on ways we're trying to offset pressures of inflation and other things on upwards, I'm working capital, but I think your range is as good as ours, kind of that $70 million to $80 million higher working capital year-over-year, is what we've got penciled in. So, you're I think you're in pretty good shape there. Otherwise, there's nothing else really terribly unusual and especially that's changed much since our initial cash flow guidance and the assumptions we made early in the year.

Thank you. Good luck.

Thanks.

Thanks.

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] The next question comes from the line of Adam Josephson of KeyBanc. Your line is open.

Thanks a lot everyone. I appreciate it. Just one follow-up for Howard or Julie. Just back to the price/cost for a moment. So, if the entirety of the EBITDA guidance increase, just go with me on this was priced cause it's 85 million of which 30 was in Ball Metalpack that you talked about earlier than at least 50 of additional price/cost elsewhere and consumer and consumer X Ball Metalpack, industrial all other et cetera. I know you implemented price increases in consumer, but your resin cost expectations are vastly higher than they were three months ago. And then in Industrial, you got another URB price increase, but I think that was really -- I mean, OCC has gone down by a little bit, but not too much. So, can you help me, Julie or Howard, with what -- where the other 50 is coming from and why?

Well, I think, Adam, I mean, really a key part of this is we really do look at the benefit we had in the first quarter, right? This $85 million. And again, split between, as we've talked about, you know, not exactly half but roughly between consumer and industrial. So, really, that's in itself about almost 70% of what we're expecting from the benefit from the year. So, -- and I think we've kind of explained a fair amount in this call about kind of the drivers to that. So, I think when you look at our inflation expectations for the rest of the year, broadly speaking, as Rodger has mentioned, and then really our continued focus on how we're managing price, it does moderate as we move through the year. So, I don't know that we can really provide a lot more specifics than we've already done today. But a lot of this price/costs -- or again, about 70% of this, we think is in the first quarter. So, already recognized. And at this point, we're going to continue, really working hard to, again, manage the price versus all this inflation. And so I don't know that we can get a lot more specific than what we've already done.

I'll only add is we're obviously not done, as Julie just said, but we've got contracts, legacy and acquisition related that we still have not recovered from. So, we've got we've got price movements that’s happening in the second quarter, we've got price movements, just based on contracts with customers, and either annual type product price. What one-time a year increases that that'll come into play July 1. So, we've got more to come. And I would just finally end by saying that, I think the team has done a remarkable job over the last year or so putting us in the position we are today from a price/cost perspective and they will continue to do that. We have really honed our skills, if you will, in terms of making sure that we're not only capturing the material side of inflation, but now even more importantly, all the raw material inflation that we're seeing.

Got it. Thank you, Howard.

That necessarily fill out a bridge for you, Adam, but -- on how we're thinking.

Yes, thanks very much.

Thank you. At this time, I'd like to turn the call back over to Roger Schrum for closing remarks. Sir?

Thank you again Latif. In closing, let me simply say it's been my pleasure working with each of you over the past 16 years. I think this is my 66th earnings call with Sonoco, so I've certainly enjoyed each and every one of them. I look forward to introducing Lisa to each of you over the next few months. And as always, thank you for your interest in the company and just give us a call with any other questions you might have. Thanks again.

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