Thanks to everyone for joining us today for Sonoco's Second Quarter 2022 Earnings Call. Joining me this morning are Howard Coker, President and CEO; and Rob Dillard, Chief Financial Officer; and Rodger Fuller, Chief Operating Officer. Earlier this morning, we issued a news release highlighting our financial performance for the second quarter of 2022 and we prepared a presentation that we will reference during this call. The press release and presentation are available online under the Investor Relations section of our website at www.sonoco.com. As a reminder, during today's call, we will discuss a number of forward-looking statements based on current expectations, estimates and projections. These statements are not guarantees of future performance and are subject to certain risks and uncertainties. Therefore, actual results may differ materially. Please take a moment to review the forward-looking statements on Page 2 of the presentation. Additionally, today's presentation includes the use of non-GAAP financial measures which management believes provides useful information to investors about the company's financial condition and results of operations. Further information about the company's use of non-GAAP financial measures, including definitions as well as reconciliations to GAAP measures, is available under the Investor Relations section of our website. For today's call, Howard will begin by covering a summary of second quarter performance. Rob will then review our detailed financial results for the second quarter and discuss our guidance update for the third quarter and the full year of 2022. Howard will then provide a progress report on our strategic priorities, followed by a Q&A session joined by Rodger Fuller. If you will please turn to Slide 4 in our presentation. I will now turn the call over to our CEO, Howard Coker.

Thank you, Lisa and thanks to everyone for joining our call today. Hopefully, you've seen our press release and the strong financial results we delivered in the second quarter which exceeded the high end of our recently raised guidance. We've made tremendous progress on our strategic priorities that enable the quarter's performance and our outstanding first half of 2022. Revenue for the quarter was up 38% over last year and the $1.9 billion quarterly sales marked the highest in the history of Sonoco. Our revenue performance was driven by the continued benefit of our ongoing strategic pricing actions, great performance from the Sonoco Metal Packaging acquisition, relative stability in volume mix and solid operational improvements. As you have no doubt heard repeatedly from companies across various industries, global supply challenges and inflationary issues persist. Despite this, we expanded our base EBITDA margins over 200 basis points to 16% compared to last year from strong profit performance across the entire portfolio. On the bottom line, we grew base earnings per share to $1.76 which was 89% above our result in Q2 of last year. Based on our first half results and third quarter outlook, we're again raising our full year base earnings per share guidance to a range of $6.20 and $6.30. Our operational, commercial excellence and supply chain teams have just done an outstanding job and I want to extend a special thanks to the entire Sonoco organization for delivering these results while continuing to support our customers. We've had great execution in the first half of the year. And again, these results are not by chance. We have been working very hard on a set of strategic priorities to make our great company even better. And later in the call, I'll provide further updates on this progress. Now, to go over more details on our second quarter performance and our guidance, let me introduce you to our new CFO, Rob Dillard. Rob has been with Sonoco since 2018, handling corporate strategy and M&A activities. Rob is a strategic leader of our company and brings extensive experience in corporate finance and accounting, operations, strategy and corporate development from both Fortune 500 companies and investment banking. Rob has a deep understanding of Sonoco's culture and strategic opportunities to partner with our global business leaders to further drive performance improvements and shareholder value. Let me say, congratulations, Rob, on your new role and I'll now turn the call over to you.

Thanks, Howard. On Slide 5, we start our financial review with GAAP EPS and the reconciliation of GAAP EPS to base EPS. GAAP EPS was $1.33 for the quarter, a meaningful increase from the same period in 2021. As Howard said, the strong performance was due to continued strategic pricing performance, a relatively stable demand environment, strong performance in metal packaging and improved productivity. This improved profitability resulted in base EPS of $1.76, an 89% increase from the same period in 2021. The reconciliation from GAAP EPS to base EPS has $0.43 of adjustments, primarily related to the amortization expense of the Metal Packaging acquisition, increase in LIFO reserve and the exit of our Russian operations which impacted restructuring. Slide 6 has our base P&L summary for the period. These exceptional results illustrate the power of our positions in stable and defensive end markets where we differentiate ourselves as a supplier of choice. We achieved value for this differentiation through strategic pricing performance that greatly contributed to our net sales growth of 38% to $1.9 billion in the quarter. Furthermore, this price is translating into strong operating leverage. This is best exhibited by our 62% increase in base EBITDA and our 78% increase in base operating profit in the quarter. Base EBITDA was $306 million and base operating profit was $250 million in the quarter. We increased base EBITDA margin 230 basis points to 16% and base operating profit margin 290 basis points to 13.1% in the quarter. This focus on margin improvement is strategic and is backed by portfolio management actions, footprint optimization activities, value-enhancing capital investments and ongoing strategic self-help programs. Turning to Page 7. Net sales grew $531 million versus the same period in 2021. This strong performance was driven by several key factors. First, volume mix…

Thanks, Rob. And if you'll turn to Slide 13 in the presentation, I'm going to provide an update on the progress of our strategic priorities. Let me remind you that Sonoco is on a journey. I took the role of CEO one month before the COVID outbreak in 2020. At that time, I challenged the team to really start thinking about a better operating model to optimize our portfolio and footprint and asked them to imagine what the organization would look like to support us. I'll remind you that these planning sessions were going on amidst [indiscernible]. We're getting some feedback in our room. I'm hoping this is carrying through and I will continue with my comments and repeat. I'll remind you that these planning sessions were going on amidst a global pandemic compounded by worsening supply chain conditions. Fundamentally, our aim was to be a much stronger company and to build a playbook that would result in long-term step change in profitability and value creation for our shareholders. To do that, we have to first look at our portfolio. We are intentionally aligning to fewer, bigger businesses, focused on markets where we believe we have a right to win and gain leadership positions. Today, our Consumer Packaging segment represents over 50% of our business and industrial paper packaging has retracted to around 38%. We're using a rigorous portfolio management lens to determine where and how we invest organically and otherwise. In parallel, we're focusing on optimizing our manufacturing footprint. The outcome of these efforts have been to exit some unprofitable operations in Europe and North America as well and to scale growth opportunities, particularly in Asia, South America, Europe and yes, here in the United States. Our couple focused portfolio and operational strategy is centered on serving our customers…

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Cleve Rueckert from UBS.

Congratulations on new set of results. Just sort of two high-level questions for me on the guidance. Firstly, I'm just curious, I appreciate the cash flow is sort of second half weighted but I'd like to understand what it would take to unlock the working capital that you called out and perhaps outperform the cash flow guidance. And then just secondly, I think in the release, you talked about returning to a more normalized margin in the future. And I'd just like to know if you can give us a sense of what that margin run rate is and whether it's contemplated in your implied Q4 guidance?

Yes, sure. I'll -- Cleve, thanks for that question. I'll take the cash flow question and then we can let Howard and Rodger discuss margins as well. So I would say on working capital, we were conservative. The inflation trends that we've seen have still persisted in some areas. We're seeing nice trends there. But that definitely has impacted net working capital in the first half and so has kind of continued just supply chain disruptions which has led to kind of elevated inventory levels as we've persisted in kind of being a stable supplier for our customers. And we're starting to release some of these excess levels. We also have of note, relatively meaningful seasonality in metal packaging. And that packaging, as you can imagine, releases in the fourth quarter after the past season. I'd say the other thing kind of, of note to your question on how we unlock this value, that's exactly what we're focused on now and we want to guide to what we control -- can control and we're -- we've got new and accelerated initiatives really to manage working capital in the future. We think there's a meaningful opportunity to improve asset efficiency. And it's really just the timing to achieve the key variable, whether or not it will be this year or next but we're opportunistic about what's ahead there.

Yes. Cleve, let me talk about the commentary on normalized margins. That's really talking into the third and fourth quarter. We've got the inflation, that discrete inflation that Rob alluded to. We also have the impact noted between $10 million and $15 million on the industrial side with our number 10 shutdown and restart. So we've got some exposure, supply chain, etcetera, that we'll publicize and retirements as we finished out the year. If you go beyond this year, we are extremely bullish about not only the performance this year but continuing that all into next year and beyond. And just to kind of give you some color to really macro things that are going on right now. If you think about number 10, the costs that we're going to incur this year and the benefit next year. Back in December, we talked about our walk to $180 million of self-help work. We've been working that, frankly, for the last year, 1.5 years, with some but little benefit. I think the most benefit we've seen is on the commercial excellence side. But we've got that tailwind as that really starts kicking in into next year, synergies from the acquisition and frankly, continued improvements on the capital that the prior owners put into the metal business and that we're putting into the business today, portfolio optimization and I could keep going on. So the real headline here is we're having a remarkable this year and we do not expect to step back from that going into next year in the future and the expectation is to improve on that year on and year out.

Our next question comes from the line of George Staphos from Bank of America Merrill Lynch.

Thanks for the details and congratulations on the quarter. Rob, we look forward to working with you. Congratulations. I wanted to pick up on that question. Howard, could you give us a sense for on the shared services and that area of self-help what we could be looking at into 2023? It sounds like there's not been as much, for understandable reasons, pickup on that this year. But next year, if you could help us understand what that could be perhaps. And if not, quantitatively, sort of directionally, if there's any way to talk to that point.

Yes. George, I do not want to take up the entire Q&A session to talk through all of the work we're doing and I'm going to try to summarize. Basically, we're taking a different approach and look towards the company. So we've identified what we call our core businesses and those are our can businesses, our flexibles businesses and our global integrated paper business. And we're structuring our centralized functions and support of those critical long-standing businesses within the company. On the other side, we have a group of disparate businesses in the all other category that we're going to manage differently. We are no longer going to support from center. We're going to allow them to -- they're not integrated. They -- there's not a lot of relationship between many of these. So we're going to step them up to stand alone and will be supported by -- or from center when that makes sense to the core from a cost perspective. But the end result is going to be a much greater focus on those, again, core businesses. It's going to be more focused as it relates to how we support and manage those core businesses and it will provide significant SG&A savings as we fully implement that. So it is a totally different view of how we're going to be managing the company into the future. Rodger is heading that up and he may have a couple of comments that he would like to make as well.

Yes, I think you covered it well, Howard. But George, I'd add, we've talked a lot about automation and we've got a tremendous amount of really strong capital automation projects going through that will be hitting next year. A lot of focus on operational technology and how do we give our operators, our maintenance teams better online data to improve productivity. And as you know, productivity has been very tough this year. I think the team has done a fantastic job under very difficult situation with supply chain challenges and labor challenges. So unlocking that productivity in '23 is going to be critical and I'm feeling very, very bullish about that as well. So we'll start to see those projects pay off as we head into early '23 as well.

And Howard, would it be fair to say that '23, clearly, the incremental pickup will be more than what you saw in '22 and that, in turn, it would be more than what you see incrementally '24 versus '23?

That's correct.

Okay. Two others for me and I'll turn it over. One, can you talk about the trajectory that you're seeing in industrial as the quarter progressed May into June. And then I realize we're not that deep into the third quarter but any views that you could share with us in terms of what you're seeing in industrial early third quarter? And similar question, looking at consumer there's some puts and takes. Your important businesses did well, is my take, obviously, in cans and flexibles. Any change in the trajectory of the businesses as the quarter progressed and then early into 3Q?

George, Rodger. On Industrial, as we look at the third quarter, surprisingly, the U.S. is maintaining a really good strength. If you look at the tubes and cores business in the U.S. in the second quarter, came in 1.6% positive, strong film results, strong textile, tape and specialty, a little bit of downside on paper mill cores but strong. And we've seen that continue into the first part of July and we expect very similar trends in North America -- in the U.S. and North America than we had in the second quarter. So we're really not seeing any kind of slowing to speak of. As you would expect, Europe and China, specifically in Asia was difficult. Our tube and core numbers in Europe were down about 6% but we had the Russia exit. We've exited plant in Saudi Arabia. We exited a losing -- a profit losing plant in France. So we're making really smart moves. You take that out and the European business was down about 3%. Most of that is coming from textiles and that textile softness is really generated by the war in Ukraine and the supply chain disruptions we're seeing there. Asia, overall was weak and that's driven by China. As an example, China, our cone business which is textile focused, was down 37% year-over-year. So China was soft. So for me, other than the incremental energy challenges that we may see in Europe in the second quarter, we're seeing very similar trends as we move into the second quarter. So the most optimistic piece is really that U.S. Canada piece which is holding up well. No significant changes as we rolled into the third quarter in our can business. We are seeing a rebound in our powdered infant formula business. There's a well-publicized challenge with one of our large customers in the powdered infant formula business. That seems to be behind us now. So our North American paper can business should be stronger. Rob has already mentioned, seasonally, the second half in metal can is softer than the first. That's in the guidance. And really, I want to call it our plastic food business. Yes, the volume was down but it was down by our choice. We've been talking now for three or four quarters about the consolidation, plant consolidations we're doing in that business, the pricing strategy we have in that business and we've walked away from some unprofitable business. So the volume was down in plastic foods but they had a record profit performance. So I'll take that tradeoff at any time. So really, the only significant change we're seeing is really energy focused in the third quarter and that's a watchout, not only price of energy but availability of energy, specifically Germany, as we get into the quarter.

Our next question comes from the line of Mark Weintraub from Seaport Research Partners.

Another really good quarter. And also thank you for laying out some of the controllables that you're going to be -- the levers you're going to be pulling to drive profits going forward. One thing you helped us out with in the first quarter is you had noted that there had been about $0.30 to $0.35 from quasi onetime price cost. Was there much, if any, in the second quarter as we start thinking about what's the right platform to think 2023, where kind of the starting number should be? Is there a number for the second quarter that would be equivalent to that $0.30 to $0.35 you talked about in the first quarter?

Yes. Mark, for the second quarter, really across several divisions, we probably saw in that $0.08 to $0.10 type benefit. And so you can back that out and say the rest was pretty much pure. Your question really is around how do we comp that to next year. And there you go, I'm not going to repeat all the things that we have from a tailwind perspective that number 10 is a great headline. But as George asked, we haven't seen a lot because we're in the planning cycles right now in terms of structural transformation. We expect that to truly kick in next year. And again, I'm not going to repeat all the things but -- well, I will say, if you look at number 10, that's been like the poster child because it's such a large -- our largest-ever capital investment. But we've got just, I don't know, 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 number 10-like projects that are in the $1 million, $5 million and $10 million type range that drive us up to that $325 million in capital spending and increased capital spending last year and the returns coming from those are really going to start kicking in next year. And then finally, synergies have started with the acquisition that we expect to see meaningful improvement and tailwinds from that as well. So you talked about the $0.30 to $0.10. And while you guys -- whether we've gone from 3-93 to 6-20 [ph] something in one year, we expect to be able to maintain that going forward because of all the work that this great team has undertaken over the last two years.

And you also -- I guess, one question folks have been asking, the volumes were flat, down a little bit. You called out the plastic food if you -- if it's possible to sort of put to the side where you made decisions to essentially sell less, can you give us a sense as to what kind of the remaining business volumes would have looked like?

Yes. I don't think we can hit a number for you but it is something that we are going to start pointing out going forward. When you say you're 1% down and whatever, we do make strategic decisions that actually can impact that 1%. And that was a great example that Rodger pointed out where our perimeter store business was 9% down which is in our consumer sector, 9% down. And we had profits that we haven't ever had in that business, making smart moves, sacrificing volume in exchange for much, much higher profits. So Mark, sorry, I can't just sit here and say, "Here is a number," but we are recognizing that we're not giving you guys the total picture of what is actually a market-driven versus our own self actions that are causing our volumes to be down. That will be coming in the future.

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from the line of Gregory Andreopoulos from Citigroup.

Greg on for Anthony. I just had a quick question about the full year guide, kind of circling back to that. So the rate of $6.20 to $6.30, to my mind, that's above what the 2Q preannounced would have implied. So my thought process is your expectations for the second half are above what they were back in April when you updated us last. So I guess my two kind of related questions. First question is, how has the second half outlook changed since April or since earlier this year? And is it possible to kind of parse out some of the drivers of the guidance raise? And also, I just wanted to kind of know how costs are trending in July in terms of resin, OCC, natural gas and kind of what levels of inflation the full year guide assumes for the rest of the year.

Yes, Gregory. Good question. In terms of the guide, the real kind of drivers there and how we're thinking about it sequentially from the first quarter, second quarter and then third, as you mentioned, kind of the increasing guide for the year as we are, as Rodger said, really monitoring and participating really actively in our markets and understanding the demand drivers. And I would say that in our really defensive consumer markets like rigid paper cans, metal foods and flexibles and thermoforming food, we're able -- we feel really good about kind of stability there and defensibility there. And that should just continue to provide kind of performance opportunities on the price side. And on industrial, it is cyclical and we are kind of monitoring it as Rodger and Howard both said that there's various kind of puts and takes there but we aren't predicting kind of a meaningful downturn in our core U.S. tube and core and paper markets, those markets continue to be relatively strong. I think that one component on the guide that is unique was that metal packaging does have material seasonality through the year and that the first half has pretty meaningful profitability this year and we're expecting that profitability will be -- I would say this is a component where profitability will be normalized for the remainder of the year and that margins will normalize from their current kind of 21% range that we saw in the second quarter. But I think that all this -- the big driver here remains price/cost. And I think we really want to make the point that we're not kind of oscillating around kind of a neutral price/cost where margins would continually kind of revert to some mean that we've been really focused on margin expansion and pricing to value. And that as a result, we think price/cost for the full year, of which we've gotten $164 million this year should be in the range of $250 million to $300 million for the full year. And that's really the driver for a lot of the earnings for the rest of the year.

Yes, this is Rodger. On the inflation side, we feel like inflation peaked in the second quarter. Now having said that, there will continue to be supply chain challenges and inflation challenges but we do feel like we're seeing some easing up in freight finally, truck availability, driver availability, some offset, obviously, in diesel cost. Some drop in things like aluminum ingot. There really -- and keep in mind what resin Sonoco purchases but we are calling our resin inflation going up for the year. We're about 18% in last quarter and now it's up to about 26%. But 50% of the resin we buy, we bought 500 million pounds a year, 50% of we buy is PET and it looks like PET is going to escalate to 30 -- 40% to 45% this year. So you've got to keep that in mind. But I think the point on the second half -- in the first quarter, we didn't know what we didn't know about, supply chain challenges and inflation. We've got a better view for it now. We've been more precise. And to Rob's point on strategic pricing, you build that in with a little bit of easing and inflation in the second half, that helps you understand the guidance changes for the second half.

Our next question comes from the line of Kyle White from Deutsche Bank.

Congrats, Rob, on the new role and looking forward to working more closely with you going forward. I guess just to start, curious overall across the business if you guys are starting to see any kind of trade down impacts, maybe consumers moving more to food cans or rigid paper containers versus fresh foods, anything that you would call out?

I don't think we're seeing -- the only areas within the portfolio that are notable would be actually on the more high-value parts of our business and that's the supply into the white goods industry, refrigerators, washer, dryers. Some of that is related to their own supply chain issues but our customers are telling us they're seeing some pullbacks. But we're not seeing, at this point what we normally would see in a recessionary period and that is a fairly substantial tick-up in the staple foods side of our business. So it's kind of business as normal at this point in time.

That makes sense. And then, Rob, since you're not new to Sonoco and you already have an understanding of the business, just kind of curious what strategic actions you might be looking to implement here from day one. Anything you're thinking about in changing in regards to the capital allocation? Or what's your view on leverage and share buybacks?

Yes. We're still evaluating that. I mean it's early days. I think the legacy practices has certainly served us well. We definitely have a dedication to being investment grade and are thinking really thoughtfully about what that means for the capital structure and what strategic alternatives are. We've bought back shares in the past and we consider doing that but we really like returning capital to the shareholders through the dividend and think about that every quarter with the Board.

Our next question comes from the line of Adam Josephson from KeyBanc Capital Markets.

Rob, congratulations. I look forward to working with you as others have said. One, on the price cost, Rob, that you gave your updated expectation of $250 million to $300 million benefit for the year. If memory serves, the company's expectation coming into the year was 125 plus. So it's gone up -- it's more than doubled since the beginning of the year. Can you help me with which segments that's in? And just frame for us the magnitude of that full year price/cost benefit compared to what the company has experienced historically.

Yes, Adam, that's a good question and it's something we're really focused on. I mean if you think about it in a historical context. Over the last two years, we've experienced negative price cost of $153 million. And in the first half of this year, we were back to positive $164. So really offsetting really just was two years of a negative trend. I would say that, that whole two years and this year, we've been really working on getting price in a really strategic way and thinking about how to deliver value in the right way to our customers and receive the right value for what we're delivering. And so that's changed a lot of how we think about price and how we think about margin. That's really the driver for how we think that this price/cost curve over the three year period that you're thinking about if you include the last two years, will actually just show if you get to the $250 million to $300 million, just the good work that we've done over the last couple of years. So we feel really confident about that. It's a capability we've been building for a number of years and one that we've increasingly gotten focused on. I think Rodger can talk a little bit more about some of the puts and takes. I mean there's definitely businesses that are experiencing better pricing. But I would say, it's a core capability that we're pushing from center and that it's across the board, we're seeing price. There is no just one pocket of price here or there, every business is really seeing price.

Yes. That's well said, Rob. I think the only thing I would add, Adam, is we've talked about it now for 18 months or more. The other initiative is really going through all contracts with all customers across primarily the consumer and industrial, our two platform businesses and really understanding price change mechanisms and timing on those price change mechanism using the correct pricing mechanism. But most importantly, in the environment over the last 18 months, making sure we can recover as we should be able to up labor increases and all other increases, all the materials besides things like OCC and resin and metals. So I think as Rob said, the team has done a fantastic job. I think that's the driver of most of the incremental that you're calling out and we continue to push that going forward and we see that continuing in the second half of the year.

And I would add to the COVID period, it's really rare. I can't think of one to mind where we actually materially caused downtime for our customer during these difficult supply chain situations. And I think it just really helped pull forward our customers' recognition of the value of doing business with a global company like Sonoco that when we have discrete raw material shortage that we have literally, a global reach and are willing to do whatever it takes to make sure our customers stay in the market and deliver that value that we have for so long. And I think they, too, are understanding that and we're being rewarded for that in terms of margin improvement.

No, I appreciate that, Howard and everybody. Just one clarification on that. So you recouped all of what you lost over the past two years, just in the first half and then you're going to get -- you're expecting a lot more in the second half. But then I think in response to Cleve's question, you were saying, Howard, that you don't think you'll be in effect overearning this year despite what appears to be a historically large price cost benefit. Is that because you were thinking perhaps you're, in effect, underpricing in recent years, plus you had that drag over the past two years that you recouped in the first half? Is that how you would have us think about that issue?

That is how we think about it. It's -- look, I mean, in a perfect world, price has nothing to do with cost, right? And our customers are understanding that doing business with Sonoco is the right partner to be doing business with. And that we keep them -- so our value recognition is higher today than it ever has been. And as Rodger talked to, we've been working at this for 1.5 years, 2 years really in terms of our commercial excellence and making sure we're getting that message out. It's just COVID just absolutely reinforced to our customers that we are the right folks to be doing business with because, look, we have a major recession. We have a hurricane coming, it's not coming. I don't -- it's like that but it can happen literally in a matter of weeks, that we have a global supply chain issues. Our customers know that we will keep them in supply at whatever cost. And it may be a short-term impact to our P&L but we are going to be there to serve them.

I appreciate that. And just one other one on the URB business which is obviously in '08, '09 that business took a very big hit both in terms of volume and profitability. And I know you think about the business a lot differently in the industry for that matter much differently than you -- than it was back then. Can you just remind us of that? And then more near term, I think, Rob, you expressed confidence that the North American tubes and cores demand would hold up. What gives you that confidence given the economic sensitivity of those end markets, particularly given what that business saw in '08, '09 volume-wise.

Well, I'm looking around, who's going to answer that? Okay. I'll start. Look, the balance in terms of -- we've been short here already. We've talked about that quarter-after-quarter allocations. With number 10 coming on, we hope to get our inventories back up. And let me add to that. I mean, the productivity -- negative productivity that we've seen through this period of shortness where we've been changing over, moving volume from mill to mill to mill just to keep ourselves and our trade customers and supply. Look, it's still a very tight market. number 10 is going to come on, we'll see relief, we'll see inventories hopefully get up to the appropriate level. So our productivity will improve substantially. And we just think that overall market conditions are set to sustain the type of margins that we've enjoyed.

And Adam, it's Rodger. I think -- you have to go back before Project Horizon. If you remember, we've put tens of millions of dollars of capital investments into our paper mill system. Focusing on expanding the capacity of our lowest cost machines and aggressively taking out our high-cost capacity and that continued for -- after the recession for several years, leading up to Project Horizon. And Project Horizon is just going to build on that. And then we'll continue with that. So Project Horizon is not the last investment we'll make in URB. So the whole -- our system, our URB system is much lower cost. We've committed to keeping capacity basically flat and that's what we've been doing and that's our commitment going forward. So it's really a different market today than it was back in '08 and '09, in my opinion.

[Operator Instructions] I would now like to turn the conference back over to Lisa Weeks for closing remarks.

Thank you again for joining our call today and thank you for your interest in Sonoco. If you have any follow-up questions, don't hesitate to give us a call and please enjoy the rest of your day.

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