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Tennant Company (TNC)

Q1 2009 Earnings Call· Thu, May 7, 2009

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, and thank you for participating in Tennant Company’s first quarter earnings conference call. This call is being recorded. If you do not wish to participate, you may discontinue at this time. After the speaker’s remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. (Operator instructions) We ask that you remain online for closing remarks by management after the question-and-answer session. Beginning today’s meeting is Tom Paulson, Vice President and Chief Financial Officer for Tennant Company. Mr. Paulson, you may begin.

Tom Paulson

Management

Thanks, Laurie. Good morning, everyone. And welcome to Tennant Company’s first quarter 2009 earnings conference call. I’m Tom Paulson, Vice President and Chief Financial Officer of Tennant Company. With me on the call today are Chris Killingstad, Tennant’s President and CEO; Pat O'Neill, our Treasurer; and, Karen Durant, our Corporate Controller. Our agenda this morning is to review Tennant’s performance during the first quarter and our outlook for 2009. First, Chris will update you on our operations, and then I’ll review the financials. After that, we’ll open up the call for your questions. Before we begin, please be advised that our remarks this morning and our answers to questions may contain forward-looking statements regarding the company’s expectations of future performance. Such statements are subject to risks and uncertainties, and our actual results may differ materially from those contained in the statements. These risks and uncertainties are described in today’s news release and the documents we filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission. We encourage you to review those documents, particularly our Safe Harbor statement for a description of the risks and uncertainties that may affect our results. Additionally, this conference call includes discussion of non-GAAP measures that include or exclude unusual or non-recurring items. For each non-GAAP measure, we also provide the most directly comparable GAAP measure. Our earnings release issued today includes a reconciliation of those non-GAAP measures to our GAAP results. Our earnings release was issued this morning via Business Wire and is also posted on the Investors Section of our Web site at tennnantco.com. Now I’ll turn the call over to Chris.

Chris Killingstad

Management

Thanks, Tom, and thanks to all of you for joining us this morning. We anticipated that our first quarter would be weak. Like most industrial companies, we continue to face a difficult selling environment due to the global recession, which affected net sales in all of our geographies. However, we are focused on controlling what is within our control in 2009, as I said last quarter. To that end, our efforts this year center around three guiding principles. First, adjusting to the low growth economy without sacrificing the company’s long term potential. Second, prudently allocating scarce resources to initiatives that position the company to deliver against controllable objectives such as increased savings from global low cost sourcing and lean manufacturing initiatives, reduced selling and administrative expenses, and investments and research and development projects such as ec-H2O to drive sales growth. And third, optimizing cash in an uncertain environment through conservative planning, increased discipline in capital expenditures, and a heightened focus on working capital management. I am pleased that our execution against these guiding principles yielded solid benefits in the first quarter. Tennant’s lower cost structure allowed us to maintain gross margins on reduced sales. Our global ec-H2O rollout continue to gain traction as we continue to convert existing and new customers to our ec-H2O technology. And we generated strong cash flows during the quarter. Furthermore, we expect to deliver profitable results from operations for the three remaining quarters of 2009. As noted in the press release, we took a non-cash, pre-tax goodwill impairment charge of $43.4 million, as a result of the deterioration in the general economic environment and the resulting decline in Tennant’s stock price during the first quarter. Tom will provide more details. But it’s important for you to know that the impairment charge has no impact on…

Tom Paulson

Management

Thanks, Chris. In my comments today, all references to earnings per share are on a fully diluted basis. For the first quarter ended March 31st 2009, Tennant reported a net loss of $41.7 million or a $2.29 loss for diluted share on net sales of $128.6 million. As Chris mentioned, Tennant’s 2009 first quarter results include non-cash, pre-tax goodwill impairment charge of $43.4 million or a $2.32 loss per diluted share. The company’s first quarter results also include a $1.3 million pre-tax benefit from the revisions of the reserve for workforce reduction severance and related cost associated with the restructuring program announced in the 2008 fourth quarter. The favorable revisions to the restructuring reserve was primarily due to lower severance cost than anticipated in Europe, both on an employee settlement basis and also the opportunity to eliminate open positions due to company turnover, thereby in-voiding some severance payments. As Chris said, we still expect to achieve savings of at least $15 million this year and $20 million in 2010 from the restructuring. Excluding the goodwill impairment charge and a benefit from the restructuring charge reserve revision, net earnings would have been a loss of $0.6 million or a loss of $0.04 per diluted share. And Tennant would have had an operating profit of $0.3 million in the 2009 first quarter compared to operating profit of $8.5 million in the 2008 first quarter. The lower operating profit this year is primarily attributable to lower sales. Tennant reported net earnings in the 2008 first quarter of $5.2 million or $0.28 per diluted share on net sales of $168.6 million. Tennant’s consolidated net sales for 2009 first quarter declined 23.7% compared to a strong 2008 first quarter. Recessionary conditions, including the ongoing difficulty that our customers have had obtaining credit, led to weak…

Operator

Operator

Thank you very much. I would like to remind our participants to please stay online for closing remarks from management after the Q&A session. (Operator instructions) Our first question today will come from Seaver Wang with Utendahl Capital. Seaver Wang – Utendahl Capital: Hey. Good morning.

Chris Killingstad

Management

Hey, Seaver.

Tom Paulson

Management

Hey, Seaver. Seaver Wang – Utendahl Capital: Hey, quick couple of questions. You said you expect to lower commodity prices. So I assume you see it in the market, but it actually haven’t hit the P&L yet.

Tom Paulson

Management

We actually did have commodity benefits coming to the P&L in the first quarter. So it was certainly beneficial versus prior year. And it was fairly beneficial sequentially versus Q4. So while we saw commodity prices going down in Q4, we didn’t see much of a benefit in last year. In this quarter, we’re beginning to see that benefit. And it’s one of the reasons why we look out across the remaining quarters – one of the reasons that we expect us to be able to maintain our gross margins around that 41% level. Seaver Wang – Utendahl Capital: Okay. So general trend being – Its going to be a lower year-over-year for the rest of the year.

Tom Paulson

Management

Yes. Yes. And we’ve seen it across really all of the key commodities. For us, we’ve seen it going downwards. We’re beginning to see it flatten out, but expectations is going to stay around that level for the rest of the year and be a benefit for us. But it’s anybody’s best guest what’s really going to happen. But we’re anticipating some help versus the prior year. Seaver Wang – Utendahl Capital: Okay. And then just quickly, the acquisition of business, the $2.3 million that’s – what was that regarding?

Tom Paulson

Management

We had two acquisitions in the quarter. They were both in Australia and they were associated – one, with a long term distributor of Tennant products and also a distributor of Green Machines, and so, both very small transactions that we’re excited about going forward. And we also had a payout related to our alpha business, which was just a part of the earn-out related to that acquisition. Seaver Wang – Utendahl Capital: Okay. And then I don’t think I fully understand the deal with the Kaivac. Are you offering them certain machines and then you’re – then they’re offering – you’re offering your distribution or–?

Chris Killingstad

Management

No. They’re offering the equipment and we’re offering the distribution. Seaver Wang – Utendahl Capital: Okay.

Chris Killingstad

Management

They have the industry leaning restroom cleaning solution. Right? But they’re still a small family owned undercapitalized company that has limited penetration and we have a national sales force that is especially strong on the national account side where they don’t have a lot of presence. So we can bring that equipment in to our national accounts. Our research shows that the restrooms are customer’s number one cleaning problem and it’s not something we focus a lot of attention on in the past. But we view it as a big opportunity. So we’re very excited about this partnership. Seaver Wang – Utendahl Capital: Okay. So your sales force would make money on selling to the new –

Chris Killingstad

Management

Yes. They basically designed and manufactured the products, hand it over to us. And we sell it to distribution channels. Seaver Wang – Utendahl Capital: And is there potential for an acquisition there too?

Tom Paulson

Management

We shouldn’t comment on that at this time. Seaver Wang – Utendahl Capital: Of course. All right. I think that’s it. Thanks.

Chris Killingstad

Management

Thank you, Seaver.

Tom Paulson

Management

Thank you, Seaver.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Ted Kundtz with Needham & Company. Ted Kundtz – Needham & Company: Good morning, everyone.

Chris Killingstad

Management

Hi, Ted.

Tom Paulson

Management

Hi, Ted. Ted Kundtz – Needham & Company: Couple of things. Could you talk a little bit Chris, maybe just sort of address the monthly trends you’re seeing in the business. Do you fell like we’ve bottom here. Or – it sounds like we have from your commentary and your sort of guidance going forward. It sounds like this is the bottom and you sort of see things starting to trend up. But maybe you can just give us a little more color on the monthly date you are saying.

Chris Killingstad

Management

We hope it’s bottomed out, Ted. But we also say we have limited visibility in the future. But we do know the orders trend started to pick up slightly. And I emphasize, very slightly in the back half of March that seems to have continued in April. So right now, given the information we have and the last 30 day trends, it seems to have bottomed out and there has been a very slight update. Ted Kundtz – Needham & Company: Okay. Well that’s good to hear. Are you seeing cancellations of things or is that – had you seen many cancellations in the past and has that diminished?

Chris Killingstad

Management

There had been some cancellations. Sure. But the bigger issue is that our customers keep pushing back orders. So the orders – they know they eventually have to buy the equipment but they keep pushing it back. So that’s the bigger issue. Ted Kundtz – Needham & Company: Okay.

Chris Killingstad

Management

So the orders are still in the pipeline they just keep on getting pushed back a month or couple of months on a pretty frequent basis. Ted Kundtz – Needham & Company: Okay, okay. Terrific. And any pricing pressure on your products. Are you able to maintain prices or what’s the status there?

Tom Paulson

Management

Broadly, what we’re able do in the quarter, Ted and we anticipate to be able to do that to balance the year, is we stopped pricing benefits in the 1.5% range for the quarter. And the again, across the globe and it varies by market. But we’re encouraged by the fact that we’re certainly not get in the kind of price in that we’ve done – we’ve able to generate over the last three or four years. But we did see a modest benefit in the quarter. Ted Kundtz – Needham & Company: Terrific. And so from a competitive point of view, are your competitors doing the same thing? I don’t know – what your competition that you’re seeing in?

Tom Paulson

Management

There’s exceptions, but broadly we see rational – continued rational behavior in the market. Ted Kundtz – Needham & Company: Okay. Terrific. Great. Thank you.

Chris Killingstad

Management

Welcome.

Operator

Operator

Our next question will come from David Taylor with David D. Taylor & Associates. David Taylor – David D. Taylor & Associates: I was really impressed that you were able to maintain your gross margin at about 41%

Tom Paulson

Management

Thanks, David. David Taylor – David D. Taylor & Associates: Given the massive decline in sales. Well, this complement comes with a hook.

Tom Paulson

Management

I’ve figured that. David Taylor – David D. Taylor & Associates: Obviously, when you did your forward planning last year, you weren’t considering a 23% drop in sales or anything closer, probably an increase in sales I would imagine. Could you speak to the issue of unabsorbed overhead? And what the gross margin might have looked like had business come in closer to your expectations?

Tom Paulson

Management

Let me comment on that David. We actually anticipated our business being substantially down versus prior year in the first quarter. And we expected it to be down sequentially substantially. So we actually went into the quarter expecting our volumes to be a bit better than they were and they came in worst than we anticipated, which is why we’ve taken our guidance down for the year. The actions that we took in December from a restructuring standpoint and continued to aggressively look at have really helped us mitigate a fair amount of the absorption issue. We can’t mitigate all of it because we don’t anticipate – the only way to really get up that is to in a big way is to close the factory. We don’t anticipate doing that. But where we been able to hold up our margins is we have taken a headcount reduction, which a portion of that, roughly 25% was in our cost of its old line. We have seen commodity benefits. We’ve taken price and we’ve done a much better job than historically of flexing our factory. And without needing to take layoff and people are working a little bit short on work weeks. But we’ve done a real good job of being a lot more flexible around the world, as we needed to be. David Taylor – David D. Taylor & Associates: Looking forward to a more normal business climate than obviously, we have at the moment, could one expect 4%, 5%, 6% increase in gross margins?

Chris Killingstad

Management

That’d be awfully aggressive. And we certainly – we had historically had gross margins at times in the 42% to 43% range. So we don’t see a reason why we can’t go back to that type of range. And maybe at the higher end of that, and we’re certainly going to aspire to do better but that kind of an increase would be – would not count on that at all. David Taylor – David D. Taylor & Associates: Well, keep up the good work, guys.

Chris Killingstad

Management

Thanks, David. David Taylor – David D. Taylor & Associates: Sure.

Operator

Operator

Our next question will come from Joe Maxa with Dougherty & Company. Joe Maxa – Dougherty & Company: Good morning.

Chris Killingstad

Management

Hey, Joe. Joe Maxa – Dougherty & Company: Chris, can you give us a little update on ec-H2O. I’m just thinking along the lines of the models that offer ec-H2O as an option. What kind of hit radar, what percent of those are being sold with the ec-H2O versus without?

Tom Paulson

Management

If you look at our entire stat board portfolio? Joe Maxa – Dougherty & Company: Well, I’m looking at the one–Yes. You’re right. As you look at this portfolio.

Chris Killingstad

Management

Yes. Well we talked about historically there, Joe, is roughly if we look at our equipment sales in broad terms, roughly half of our revenue from equipment sales is scrubbers. And we believe that there’s certainly a relatively a high percent of our scrubbers that will benefit from ec-H2O. To date, we put it on several walk-behind scrubbers last year and now we’ve begun to put it on ride-on scrubbers this year. But we haven’t commented specifically on exactly the percentage of our portfolio. But it’s – we think it’ll bounce at a relatively high part.

Tom Paulson

Management

That’s why I hesitated because I think for competitive reasons we don’t want to divulge that. But it's a – we think it will bounce at a relatively high part.

Chris Killingstad

Management

And that's why it has to dated because I think for competitive reasons, we don’t want it to (inaudible), but we said two things about ec-H2O that it will be material to all of our results going forward. And we fully anticipate also we can come up with the next generation of innovation that it will become the new cleaning standard in our industry. Joe Maxa – Dougherty & Company: Okay.

Chris Killingstad

Management

And we're making good progress in that direction. Joe Maxa – Dougherty & Company: Great. Can you talk a little bit about the competitive landscape and maybe what changes you've seen given the economy?

Chris Killingstad

Management

It's hard to get a lot of information about some of our competitors. As you know, three – the two of them are private German companies. The other is a division of a Danish company that's property traded. But our sense is that we are, whether in the economic storm as well in most cases, better than our competitors. And we know that because we are winning more than our pair share of business against them in the market place, especially here in North America. And so we view this crisis a real opportunity for us to leverage our products and innovation and our strong national sales force and win new business. And so far, we're doing that more effectively than we have historically. Joe Maxa – Dougherty & Company: Okay. Tom, on the selling and administrative expenses, are we able to maintain the levels from Q1 or should we start looking at those to take-up?

Tom Paulson

Management

We'll see a bit of an uptake as we go out through the year, but our expectations as we look at the quarters that – what we'll view is we'll be able to manage our operating expenses as a percent of revenue to go down a bit as we go through the quarter. So we're going to be monitoring that and managing it based on the revenue level. But you should anticipate – just like we expect to see sequential, meaning quarter-to-quarter increases in revenue, we should see a modest increase in our operating expenses along with that and our percentage go down a bit. Nothing substantial but they should go down a bit over the quarter. Joe Maxa – Dougherty & Company: So I'm just asking because if you looked at even the midpoint of your revenue and you keep your margins on 41%, the slight increase in OpEx still gives you earnings that could easily be above the high end of your guidance. And so, I was wondering if you're a little more aggressive that I should modeling on the OpEx side of things.

Tom Paulson

Management

What I would say is maybe you're being a bit aggressive on looking on operating expense line but the other pieces we're – in this environment, we're being conservative. Joe Maxa – Dougherty & Company: Right.

Tom Paulson

Management

Which is just prudent management given the number of variables we're trying to manage right now. Joe Maxa – Dougherty & Company: Okay. Very good. That's it for me. Thank you.

Tom Paulson

Management

Okay. Thanks, Joe.

Operator

Operator

Our next question today will come from Peter Kenner with Tivoli Partners. Peter Kenner – Tivoli Partners: Just like to know with the cash flow, will you be paying down debt or buying stock?

Tom Paulson

Management

We will, for the time being, be paying down debt, Peter. We think that's the prudent thing in this environment and we honestly also have some restrictions with our banks at the current time. We do not have the ability right now to buy back that shares even that means that we think the right things for us right now is to preserve cash and that we will continue to do that during the year. Peter Kenner – Tivoli Partners: Good. And I didn’t hear the answer to whether you thought this was the bottom in terms – are you seeing things you think both things have bottomed out or what?

Chris Killingstad

Management

What we said Peter, is that we still have limited visibility to the future. But if you look at the last 30 days, what we've seen is a very, very slight uptake that has been sustained in April. So should that continue, then I think in a month or two, we'd be much more comfortable saying that it's actually bottomed out and it' starting to improve. But we just don't have that kind of visibility because it has been pretty volatile over the last three to five months.

Tom Paulson

Management

And I'd remind everybody that along those lines, we typically don’t talk about our business sequentially. We generally talk about revenue year-on-year. And second quarter is generally a big increase versus Q1. Year-on-year, we're going to still see a very significant decline in the second quarter, but we'll see their absolute level of revenue in Q2, we believe will be up versus Q1. And we expect to see that to the remainder of the year. Peter Kenner – Tivoli Partners: And do you see foreign sales increasing, staying the same, or what?

Tom Paulson

Management

What we're seeing is that if you look outside in North America, in general, the levels of decline are a bit lower. So we're still seeing, in virtually all markets we're seeing organic declines year-on-year but they tend to not be as high as we're seeing in North America. Peter Kenner – Tivoli Partners: Got you.

Chris Killingstad

Management

And the brightest spot in the portfolio is Asia Pacific.

Tom Paulson

Management

Yes. Peter Kenner – Tivoli Partners: Okay. All right. Thanks very much, and good going.

Tom Paulson

Management

Yes. Thanks, Peter. Peter Kenner – Tivoli Partners: Right.

Operator

Operator

Our next question today will come from James Bank with Sidoti & Company. James Bank – Sidoti & Company: Morning.

Tom Paulson

Management

Morning, James. James Bank – Sidoti & Company: I heard a couple of questions on debt. I was just wondering if you'll be able to help us in terms of how much debt would we expect you to have at the end of this year?

Tom Paulson

Management

We're not prepared to comment specifically on that, James, other than we did comment that we do have more than adequate cash flow to fund all our business needs and cover our capital spending. So we will – we firmly believe we'll have free cash flow. We do anticipate during the year to continue pay down debt and we just haven’t given a number on that regard. But we're very comfortable that we will have enough excess cash as we go forward to continue that debt pay down. The best example already in the month of April, we received $9 million in the refund. If we overpay our taxes during last year, we filed a quick return and we took that $9 million and paid down debt in the month of April. So, we already got a nice start on that after the rest of the year. James Bank – Sidoti & Company: Okay. Okay. The restroom market, is there a number you could put on the size of that market?

Chris Killingstad

Management

No, because it's not something that the big players have focused a lot of attention on. I mean, you have this small niche player, Kaivac that does a terrific job and has wonderful technology, but they have very limited penetration. I’m not sure that the – they understand the size of the prize, but it's substantial. If they figured that every facility around the world has multiple restrooms and if you believe the research that it is our customer's number one problem and you can come up with a solution that makes it both easy and effective, and healthy, and safe to clean the bathroom. It could be a substantial win. James Bank – Sidoti & Company: Okay.

Chris Killingstad

Management

And what we prepared at this point to quantify the opportunity that obviously, we have chosen to go into this market because we think it is very interesting.

Tom Paulson

Management

The way we think about on this, James, we actually think we could create and automated cleaning market in the bathroom. The market doesn’t really exist today. People don’t do a very good job of cleaning their bathroom and Kaivac, we believe has the best automated product in the industry. So we think it's a real opportunity for us to work together. James Bank – Sidoti & Company: So this should be more or less a pre-fabricated restroom that then would be put inside of either previous buildings infrastructure or one that's going up. And the janitor just closes the door, flips the switch, and it cleans itself? Is that how this works?

Tom Paulson

Management

That's the holy grail. Maybe in five to ten years, we'll be talking about that. James Bank – Sidoti & Company: Okay.

Tom Paulson

Management

But right now, these are mobile units. James Bank – Sidoti & Company: Okay.

Tom Paulson

Management

That are brought in and can be used in multiple bathroom. James Bank – Sidoti & Company: Okay. When I heard automated, I just thought the other. Okay.

Tom Paulson

Management

Automated versus mop and bucket. James Bank – Sidoti & Company: Okay. Fair enough. You didn’t need to go on that Jetsons. But the – it's not easy to tell really for my position where these credit markets are kind of going. It seems to be easing us. I just wonder if you might be able give me a little bit more elaboration on the financing that your customers might have at this point.

Tom Paulson

Management

We're – it appears to be getting a bit better, but not substantially and we're still seeing as our customers are buying equipment and are lining to buy equipment and looking at – on taking out leases. More people are being turned down at historically have been. So while it's getting a bit better, it's not anywhere near what need to get to for our business return to normal. James Bank – Sidoti & Company: Okay. All right. And last, I believe in the last conference call, you brought up that the third party had come in, in an effort to help find more cost cutting measures. Is that – are they still there?

Tom Paulson

Management

They are. We are very enthused. We've taken our first – they’ve finished our first days of the work we've identified numerous quick hit so we can go after and save money this year and numerous things that will be a bit longer term. We think leveraging our SAP system and getting global consistent processes are going to have both short and long term effects on being able to dramatically improve our operating expenses as a percent of revenue. So we're enthused and we're still in the early days and that we're feeling good about where we're heading. James Bank – Sidoti & Company: Okay. And this is above and beyond the operational excellence.

Tom Paulson

Management

Yes. This is really a much more – far more consorted effort against standardization of profits and really leveraging our existing system and maintenance that we have taken on in the past. And we're going at it aggressively, but there's also has to be a long-term orientation to it also. James Bank – Sidoti & Company: Okay. All right. Terrific. Thank you very much.

Tom Paulson

Management

Thanks, James.

Chris Killingstad

Management

Thanks. Take care.

Operator

Operator

(Operator instructions) We'll take a follow-up question from David Taylor with David D. Taylor & Company. David Taylor – David D. Taylor & Associates: Thank you. Actually I have a pair. One is Kaivac, you described it as being, and I quote in stream cleaning restroom cleaning solution. What's so great about it?

Chris Killingstad

Management

What's so great about it? David Taylor – David D. Taylor & Associates: Yes. What's so great about Kaivac? I mean, I don’t know. It is something more than a mop, right?

Chris Killingstad

Management

Yes. It is a mobile unit that uses a pressure hose to spray water and chemicals today across the entire restroom. And then also the ability to suck it up or vacuum it up very effectively to leave the restroom dry. David Taylor – David D. Taylor & Associates: So it's like a wet-dry vac?

Chris Killingstad

Management

It's a little more sophisticated than that. David Taylor – David D. Taylor & Associates: Okay. Well, how so? Color it then.

Chris Killingstad

Management

Well, it's a – I don’t know. I don’t know how to describe it versus the wet-dry vac. Anybody have any ideas what the–

Tom Paulson

Management

It's just that’s specifically design for being mobilized and for going into bathroom. Bathroom place is quite different than normal places that you're going to be going into a wet bathroom.

Chris Killingstad

Management

Especially at commercial bathroom

Tom Paulson

Management

Yes, exactly. So it's very – they been at this for over 10 years now. It's very sophisticated in design and its approach. The big benefit in it is obviously, as most bathrooms are clean with mops and bucket and you effectively just move the dirt around where as this actually cleans and sucks it up. So it's a big step in the right direction and we think we can work with it and improve it.

Chris Killingstad

Management

And if I'm not mistaken, a wet-dry vac basically just sucks things up. It doesn’t have the ability to apply high pressure water and chemical with multiple attachments so you can do it across a broad wall, you can do it on the sinks, you can do it in the toilets, on the floor, et cetera. So it's fairly very versatile machine. Now if you look at it, would you say this was a high tech state of the art? No. But within the context of our industry, it’s the best that’s out there. And it’s the solution that's trusted by most customers who take clean restrooms seriously. David Taylor – David D. Taylor & Associates: Do they have any big named customers that you can talk about.

Chris Killingstad

Management

Yes. We're not at liberty to comment on that, but the answer is yes. David Taylor – David D. Taylor & Associates: Okay. Second question, completely different. The goodwill right now, I realized everyone is doing it these days. I was not aware until I heard your – this call that it was a function of stock dropping below book value but – okay, two questions. First of, which assets were written down? You want to talk about that?

Chris Killingstad

Management

Why don’t you give me the second question and I'll do them both in one time. David Taylor – David D. Taylor & Associates: The second question is if the stock goes back up to $50, well stocks over book value now as we talk, but if it goes back up to its high, you just stop get put back up from balance it?

Chris Killingstad

Management

Yes. Let me comment on both of that, David. It's one of those unusual places where I’ll take the second question first. Once it's written down, you don’t ever write it back up again. It's just that the way it's done from an accounting perspective and– David Taylor – David D. Taylor & Associates: I never liked goodwill from the get go. So I just leave – have it off the books, myself.

Chris Killingstad

Management

And the reality of it is, we didn’t like doing it, but it's doesn’t matter on our overall results. What drove – just get a little more specific about it, we obviously, at the end of every year, you have to touch your goodwill to ensure that it's not impaired and then it's accurately stated on your balance sheet. Never write it up higher, but you have to prove that it's an appropriate value. And we did that obviously at the end of December. And as we went into the first quarter then, our stock price traded below book value. That triggers the need to re-evaluate your level of goodwill. Typically, you wouldn't look at it again until the end of year based on where our stock price is. That as we looked at it, we had to – we didn't change our financial– David Taylor – David D. Taylor & Associates: And the stock price set at the end of the quarter was what? I mean–

Chris Killingstad

Management

We'll look for the exact number. I want to – $9.37 at the end of March. David Taylor – David D. Taylor & Associates: Oh okay.

Chris Killingstad

Management

So what we did is we looked at our forward-looking financials, and our forecasts didn't change at all. What we were forced to do, though, as we have valuated our goodwill, was we had to change our discount rate that we valued at cash flow to make it higher because of what the markets were saying. There's a lot more risk in the market. David Taylor – David D. Taylor & Associates: Can you say what that discount value is?

Chris Killingstad

Management

We are not at liberty to comment on that. David Taylor – David D. Taylor & Associates: Okay.

Chris Killingstad

Management

With the assets that were written off from the goodwill standpoint was in our EMEA business entirely. And we don't– David Taylor – David D. Taylor & Associates: It was which business?

Chris Killingstad

Management

In the EMEA, Europe, basically. David Taylor – David D. Taylor & Associates: Europe, okay. Okay.

Chris Killingstad

Management

Great. Thank you, David. David Taylor – David D. Taylor & Associates: Thank you. Bye, bye.

Operator

Operator

We'll take today's final question from Ted Kundtz with Needham & Company. Ted Kundtz – Needham & Company: Just a quick follow-up for you guys. On the ec-H2O product line, are those margins higher than the corporate average?

Chris Killingstad

Management

What I would say on that is that when we sell ec-H2O auto machine, it's meeting our objectives that we have equal to a higher gross margin on that product versus one without. And so, I wouldn't comment on it relative to all of our other products, but scrubbers tend to be higher margin products than the first place. And it is beneficial in our overall margins. Ted Kundtz – Needham & Company: Okay. So that with the mix change, that could help – help your margin's picture going forward as well, I would think.

Chris Killingstad

Management

We would like to think so. Ted Kundtz – Needham & Company: Yes. Okay. And the other question was just related to ec-H2O, is there an application to use that technology on the Kaivac product line?

Chris Killingstad

Management

We can't comment on that at this time. Ted Kundtz – Needham & Company: Okay, okay. Either–

Chris Killingstad

Management

What I will say to you is – look at what ec-H2O does. Ted Kundtz – Needham & Company: Right. It sounds like a perfect solution for–

Chris Killingstad

Management

Use your judgment, and use that same judgment and imagine all the other applications that it could be used in as well. Just know that we are exploring very broadly. Ted Kundtz – Needham & Company: Okay, because I know you said in the past that they – it's applicable to about 70% of the scrubbing jobs that you've come in contact – you're faced with. Is that correct?

Chris Killingstad

Management

In terms of scrubbing the floors. Ted Kundtz – Needham & Company: Scrubbing the floors, right.

Chris Killingstad

Management

Exactly. As we said, we are actively exploring other applications beyond our existing floor scrubbing business. Ted Kundtz – Needham & Company: Terrific. Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

We invite you to please stay online for final comments from the management team. At this time, I would like to turn the conference back over to Chris Killingstad for closing comments.

Chris Killingstad

Management

Thanks, Laurie. And thank you all for your time today and your questions. Despite the current macroeconomic conditions, we remain focused on controlling what we can control in 2009. We remain confident in our business model, and are firmly committed to the long term strategic direction that we've established. Despite the challenging we faced, we believe that our strong cost controls and strategies with international market expansion, new products, and operating efficiency gains position us very well for long term success. Thank you all.

Operator

Operator

Thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen, for joining today's Tennant Company conference call. This concludes your conference. You may now disconnect.