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Q4 2022 Earnings Call· Thu, May 19, 2022

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Operator

Operator

Greetings and welcome to the VF Corporation Fourth Quarter Fiscal 2022 Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Please note that this conference is being recorded. I will now turn the conference over to our host, Allegra Perry, Vice President, Investor Relations. Thank you. You may begin.

Allegra Perry

Analyst

Good afternoon and welcome to VF Corporation’s fourth quarter fiscal 2022 conference call. Participants on today’s call will make forward-looking statements. These statements are based on current expectations and are subject to uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially. These uncertainties are detailed in documents filed regularly with the SEC. Unless otherwise noted, amounts referred to on today’s call will be on an adjusted constant dollar basis, which we’ve defined in the press release that was issued this afternoon and which we use as lead numbers in our discussion because we believe they more accurately represent the true operational performance and underlying results of our business. You may also hear us refer to reported amounts, which are in accordance with U.S. GAAP. Reconciliations of GAAP measures to adjusted amounts can be found in the supplemental financial tables included in the press release, which identify and quantify all excluded items and provide management’s view of why this information is useful to investors. Due to the significant impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on prior year figures, today’s call will also contain certain comparisons to the same period in fiscal 2020 for additional context. These comparisons are all on a reported dollar basis. On June 28, 2021, the company completed the sale with Occupational Workwear business. Accordingly, the company has reported the related held-for-sale assets and liabilities of this business as assets and liabilities of discontinued operations and included the operating results and cash flows of this business in discontinued operations for all periods through the date of the sale. Unless otherwise noted, results presented on today’s call are based on continuing operations. Joining me on the call will be VF’s Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer, Steve Rendle; EVP and Chief Financial Officer, Matt Puckett; Global Brand President, Vans, Kevin Bailey; and Global Brand President, the North Face, Steve Murray. This quarter’s earnings presentation has been designed as a visual aid to our prepared remarks. You have the option to follow along via the slide window in the webcast portal. The presentation is also available to download on our website. Following our prepared remarks, we will open the call for questions. I will now hand over to Steve.

Steve Rendle

Analyst

Good afternoon, everyone and thank you for joining our fourth quarter earnings call. We are happy to be here and to go through our fiscal ‘22 performance and our growth plans for fiscal ‘23. After I take you through the enterprise portfolio strategy update, I will hand off to two of our Global Brand Presidents: first, Steve Murray from the North Face; followed by Kevin Bailey from Vans. We have extended the duration of the call today to give Steve and Kevin the opportunity to share some additional insights on the brands as well as layout in more detail plans for the year ahead. This will be followed by the financial update for Matt before we move on to Q&A. We delivered solid results in a challenging and highly dynamic environment by leveraging our extensive scale, relationships, talented people and world class brands. Our results underscore our competitive advantage as an enterprise portfolio company and our strong execution. I am incredibly proud of our teams and what they have been able to achieve. VF revenue of $11.8 billion increased 27%, which represents high single-digit organic growth relative to pre-pandemic levels. We achieved this growth despite continued headwinds from COVID impacting Asia-Pacific and the emergence of new challenges, including geopolitical tensions and acceleration in inflation and lower consumer sentiment globally. We generated record sales for five of our brands, representing over 70% of our revenue and highlighted by incredible growth at The North Face. The group’s diversified and broad-based performance reflects the strength of our brands and the outstanding efforts of our teams across all core areas of the organization. The North Face revenue grew 32% for the year, surpassing the key $3 billion milestone for the first time with broad-based double-digit growth across all regions in the year and fourth…

Steve Murray

Analyst

Thank you, Steve. I am pleased that The North Face had a great Q4 and that the strong and broad-based momentum we saw last quarter and all through the previous 9 months continued. As a reminder, Q3 of this fiscal year was the biggest quarter in the brand’s history, where our quarterly revenues surpassed $1 billion for the first time. And on the back of this, The North Face has now delivered the biggest Q4 in the brand’s history with global revenues of nearly $770 million, which is 26% above last year and 59% above the same quarter 2 years ago. What was particularly gratifying is that all geographic regions made meaningful contributions with the Americas particularly strong at 35% above last year, APAC at 22% and EMEA at 18%. Likewise, from a product perspective, the growth was broad-based with our on-mountain and off-mountain categories both performing very strongly. Taking our activity-based performance categories first, Outerwear and snow sports made up 48% of sales in the quarter and grew by 38% year-on-year, driven by both emerging and heritage franchises, such as the Nuptse, Thermoball ECO, our Freedom Snow collection and the Antora Rain jacket. The North Face course collaboration, which we launched in China in mid-January and in our other regions 2 weeks later, was also a huge success, driving significant brand heat with a near 100% sell-through in both our e-commerce and wholesale channels within a matter of days. Our footwear business also grew significantly at nearly 19%, driven by a combination of VECTIV, insulated boots and more traditional hiking shoes. While our equipment business grew mid-single digit despite some fairly serious COVID-related supply chain disruption in tents and sleeping bags. In our off-mountain outdoor-inspired categories, logowear’s momentum continued at low double-digit growth with short-sleeved and lightweight buy now,…

Kevin Bailey

Analyst

Thanks, Steve. It’s good to be back in my old chair Vans, a brand I first joined in 2002 as the Head of Retail and from 2009 to 2016, served as Brand President, architecting the growth from $800 million to $2.3 billion. I know this brand, understand the consumer and competition and have a clear point of view on our challenges and the opportunities that lie ahead for us. To start, our Vans leadership is not happy with our recent performance. The team does not like to underperform. And I have total confidence in the brand’s long-term growth potential as evidenced by fiscal ‘22 being a record-setting year in terms of top line revenue. Specifically, our largest market, North America, delivered sequential quarterly growth, while gross margin excluding expedited freight exceeded pre-pandemic rate in the region. Europe delivered double-digit growth. Progression footwear grew by over 30% year-on-year and nearly 40% growth in apparel. I have been back for nearly 2 months now and have been impressed by the team, their commitment, their passion and especially their competitive spirit. We have dug in quickly together and are in the process of refreshing and refocusing Vans strategy while incorporating our learnings from the last year into our plans. I have validated three primary areas impacting the business: core Classics performance, brand heat and the situation in China, I’d like to unpack these and then share what we are doing. First, core Classics. We distorted our focus to our progression footwear and apparel, which led to strong double-digit growth in those areas in fiscal ‘22. But we underestimated the level of balance needed to maintain appropriate growth in our Classics business, which represents approximately 2/3 of our global footwear business. We have an opportunity with our 5 classic icons to optimize the consumer…

Matt Puckett

Analyst

Thanks, Kevin. Good afternoon, everyone. We are happy to report on the year in which we delivered on our outlook from the beginning of the year and our strategy despite facing unusual and unprecedented circumstances and challenges. To echo Steve’s comments at the top of the call, I’m incredibly proud of what our teams have achieved and how they continue to adapt. Our brands are continuing to strengthen while pursuing their growth plans, enabling VF to become an even more balanced and resilient business. Let’s start with a few key highlights of fiscal 2022 and of Q4. During fiscal ‘22, we grew revenue by 27% and earnings by 143%, achieving a better outcome on both the top and bottom line than what we had expected at the beginning of the year despite facing new challenges and headwinds we had not anticipated at the outset. This represents high single-digit organic top line growth relative to pre-pandemic levels, in line with VF’s long-range plan target despite this disruptive environment. We delivered a strong increase in gross margins, which came in at nearly 55% despite absorbing about $160 million in additional airfreight costs. Excluding that impact, gross margin would have been above pre-pandemic levels. We maintained tight cost discipline over SG&A while ensuring continued investment toward our brand’s highest-growth opportunities and to drive behind our strategies and continue our digital transformation. Together, these allowed us to increase our operating margin by 510 basis points to 13.1%. We grew revenue by 12% in constant dollars in the fourth quarter to $2.8 billion, reflecting continued double-digit growth in the Americas and in EMEA, while Asia Pacific was down, reflecting the impact of COVID-related lockdowns introduced in China during the period. Adjusted gross margin was down 50 basis points to 52.2%, while operating margin increased 120…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Laurent Vasilescu with BNP Paribas. Please state your question.

Laurent Vasilescu

Analyst

Good afternoon, thank you very much for taking my question. Matt, I wanted to follow-up on the revenue guidance of at least 7% on a constant currency basis, and I appreciate all the color that you provided on this extended call. With regard to 7%, how – I think you mentioned that you’re going to take some pricing. Just curious to know what that is versus the volume gains this year. And then on the flipside, are you anticipating any promotional activity? You’re starting to see some retailers report elevated inventory numbers. And I’d just like to get some color on what you’re seeing out there with your retail partners from an inventory perspective. Thank you.

Matt Puckett

Analyst

Yes. You got it, Laurent. Nice to talk to you. As it relates to the growth and the kind of the 7% and how price impacts that, I think – certainly, we’ve taken price increases across the business and really across brands and across geographies. I’ll remind you that about half our business is carryover across the globe, and the other half is sort of made for new in each season. And if you think about that carryover business kind of like-for-like, we’ve got kind of mid-single-digit price increases. That looks a little bit different sort of through the year. We began to take some price increase in spring ‘22. I’ll call it, more like low single digits, and that moves sequentially through the year into fall – mid-single digits, and in some cases, a little bit higher than that as we move towards the back half of the year. So overall, when you net through all of that and look at the overall growth that we’re expecting, it’s probably half to maybe just a little bit more than half is coming from price, and the rest is coming from volume. As it relates to what we’re seeing in terms of promotional environment, we haven’t seen a significant change or shift at this stage. Our businesses are really healthy. In fact, our inventory levels across most of our key partners, if anything, continue to run a little bit lighter than we would like in the U.S. and in Europe, in particular, in the Outdoor segment, where we’ve seen sequentially strong performance. Obviously, we highlighted The North Face today a lot, and that’s been a real highlight for us. The Timberland is the same case. Altra – our Altra brand, our Smartwool brand, we’ve got areas where we’d like to have a little bit more inventory. But overall, when we look across our key accounts, we’re generally well positioned. And we will watch that really closely, as you can imagine, as we move out of the spring season and really get geared up for back-to-school. But right now, we’re – we feel good about where we are, and the visibility that we have gives us quite a bit of confidence.

Laurent Vasilescu

Analyst

That’s very, very helpful. And then a question for Steve and for Kevin. Kevin, great to have you on the call. With regards to Vans, I appreciate all the color you’ve provided. If you – we can think about that mid-single-digit growth, if you can maybe potentially give us some guardrails. I think you gave us some guardrails for 1Q in terms of total company performance. But how do we think about the shape of Vans performance between the first half, second half? And how do we think about DTC versus wholesale dynamics for Vans for the year?

Matt Puckett

Analyst

Yes. Let me shape the numbers here a little bit, and then I’ll turn it over to Kevin to really talk about what he’s doing to drive that. We’re going to see in Q1 – because of the significant kind of headwind that we’re facing in China in particular, we’re going to see Vans kind to be about flat in Q1 and then sequentially improving from there. As you think about a couple of things, Laurent, one, just kind of the headwinds easing a little bit as we think things will reopen in China. And we think we’re well positioned there. But also, there is – the compares in the back half of the year in the Asia region get exceedingly different and will benefit us. And we are continuing to see sequential improvement in kind of our brick-and-mortar business as you think about traffic there. We’re happy with how that is progressing. That will continue to improve as we move through the year. And then, obviously, the work that Kevin and the team have begun, we expect to see some benefit of those things really across the business as we move into the back half of the year.

Kevin Bailey

Analyst

Yes. Laurent, thank you for asking the question. I’d just add that, as Matt said, China definitely has been an impact on us. That’s a business that was roughly high teens of our overall global business and is down more towards the mid-teens now this last year due to the challenges in the market. As I said in my prepared remarks, D2C is going to be a heavy focus of mine. It’s 55% of the business. We stood up our new digital platform. And to your point on promotional activity, we have really good high-quality sales in our North American stores, in particular, where we’re selling 90% of the product at full price. So really not super concerned. What we do need to chase overall is traffic, and that’s primarily a brand heat issue. As I mentioned in my remarks that I think our marketing campaigns and some of the things we’re doing around Pinnacle will help us regain some traction there. But it’s going to take a little bit of time on some of those bigger issues like product.

Laurent Vasilescu

Analyst

Great. Thank very much Kevin. Yes…

Matt Puckett

Analyst

Yes. Laurent, I was just going to add, I realize I missed one of your questions. You asked about kind of channel. We will see – inside that mid-single-digit number, we will see direct-to-consumer growing a little bit faster and wholesale a little bit slower in terms of kind of how to think about that.

Laurent Vasilescu

Analyst

Great. Thank you very much.

Steve Rendle

Analyst

Thank you, Laurent.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Michael Binetti with Credit Suisse. Please state your question.

Michael Binetti

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Please state your question.

Hey, guys. Thanks for all the extended details here, great to hear from everybody. I guess, let’s talk about your confidence behind the sustainability of North Face on the back of the strong growth last year and some of the key drivers ahead. It’s pretty remarkable that the guidance for low double digits above the long-term algo of 8% to 9%, and that’s with a very messy situation in China here. Although I do think I heard right that you said China would actually grow for North Face despite the negative 35% growth rate for the overall business in China in the first quarter. So I guess maybe just help us with some of the drivers there. And is this a new algorithm for North Face?

Steve Murray

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Please state your question.

Sure. Maybe I’ll take that one, Michael. It’s Steve. So I think probably best to acknowledge there is an external and an internal component. The external is really that the outdoor space, the market itself, has been fairly buoyant the last couple of years. That’s been pretty well documented. But we think, in particular, it’s really benefited The North Face because of our business model. So we tend to talk internally about our on-mountain and our off-mountain. And both of those categories, extremely important to us, but the on-mountain is the performance end. The off-mountain is more of the outdoor-inspired. And we’ve put a lot of time into constructing a business model that would really allow us to do justice to the categories within both of those particular banners. And there really aren’t that many outdoor companies that can straddle between outdoor-inspired and true top-of-the-mountain performance. So we think that one of the reasons that we’re doing so well at the moment is just exactly that. We’ve always had the legitimacy in terms of athletes and expeditions, but we’ve also crossed over into streetwear probably more than any other outdoor brand. So that’s the external bit, if you like. The internal bit is a little bit what we talked about in the presentation in my prepared remarks. It’s really the broad-based success that we’re seeing right now. If you get into the detail, our three geographies, our three channels and all of our product categories are actually contributing to the success that we’re seeing right now. I mean there is a couple of big categories that are really leading the charge. Our outerwear and our snow sports category this year was up by nearly 35%; logowear, just shy of 50%. But we don’t have a single category that grew less…

Matt Puckett

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Please state your question.

Yes. Michael, on your question on the algorithm, I’ll just – we’ve delivered on our commitments at the VF level, reflecting kind of this broad-based growth across our family of brands, which, by the way, we think is a competitive advantage. And we’re confident that we will deliver on our targets and leveraging this family of brands. And we’re poised to deliver strong, sustainable and profitable growth. And I think the performance we’ve shown in ‘22, our guidance in ‘23, I said in my prepared comments, I think shows our commitment to delivery. It certainly looks a little different than where we were, but we’re delivering, and we’re committed to doing that. It’s really one of the benefits of our enterprise strategy. It enables us to really be agile across the portfolio of brands and allows us to drive consistent and sustainable growth. And we look forward in September to provide you some more details in terms of individual brand’s contribution to the long-term outlook.

Michael Binetti

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Please state your question.

Can I sneak – go ahead.

Steve Rendle

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Please state your question.

One more thing on the sustainability of this growth. Steve, as I said, could not thank him more the work that he’s done. But the foundation that he’s really stabilized and strengthened is perfect now for Nicole, who will join us early next month. And the industry experience that she brings in not just understanding brand and product, but all the different go-to-market opportunities in the consumer engagement strategies, it’s really from a sustainability standpoint. This is like a mile relay. Steve has run the first couple of legs, and now he’s handing off the baton to a very strong leader that can continue to build on what he set in motion and expand the brand in its reach through her market understanding.

Michael Binetti

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Please state your question.

Okay, thanks a lot for all the detail.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Camilo Lyon with BTIG. Please state your question.

Camilo Lyon

Analyst · BTIG. Please state your question.

Hi, and good afternoon, everyone. I have a couple of questions. I guess, first, you talked about a strong order book, particularly in North Face, and pretty good confidence in the discussions that you’ve had with your wholesale partners. I’m curious to know if the discussions with your wholesale partners, whether it’s in North America or Europe, has changed from a 90-day-ago period? And if it has, how do we have confidence that it won’t change further as this kind of evolving landscape with consumer pressures, inflationary pressures is likely to persist?

Steve Murray

Analyst · BTIG. Please state your question.

Hey, Camilo. Maybe I will take that one first, Steve Murray. I can answer that one very simply. It really hasn’t changed. I mean I have read the same reports as you with regard to other industries and other sectors of the market. But I can honestly say that the top-to-top meetings that we have been having with all of our key accounts in the last 8 weeks to 12 weeks, been very positive. And as I think we said earlier, we have got a pretty clean inventory position as well. So, we don’t see any promotional activity that’s out of the ordinary. In fact, I would say it’s a cleaner marketplace that we have seen in a long, long time, particularly for The North Face brand. So, we really don’t have that anxiety right now.

Steve Rendle

Analyst · BTIG. Please state your question.

And Camilo – yes, Kevin, you want to go ahead and talk about Vans? And I can talk a little bit more broadly across some of the other brands.

Kevin Bailey

Analyst · BTIG. Please state your question.

Yes. I was just going to jump in as well, Camilo. So, good question. And I think what we see is the fact that we have got different types of distribution channels, right, from SSI accounts to lifestyle accounts to action sports accounts. And I think overall, we don’t see a major change there. We continue to work with them to reshape their business as needed and we work forward on bringing new product to market. So, I haven’t seen a big change from 90 days ago, I believe was the date you threw out there at this point. But I have certainly read the same reports as Steve Murray referenced as well. So, we feel good overall about our wholesale partners’ status today.

Steve Rendle

Analyst · BTIG. Please state your question.

Then Camilo, from a Timberland, Dickies and our European business, much is the same. We come into this period with very clean inventories and in the case of Timberland, have undersupplied market demand and very strong opportunity to continue the momentum out of this year into next year. It doesn’t mean we are – our heads in the sand. But the partners that we have for each of these brands, the thought that’s gone into the forward order book, the flow of that product, I would even – I would kind of emphasize the partnerships we have in Europe, especially with the digital titans. These are really strong key account relationships that are able to model the assortments and the flow based on what we have seen the last couple of years. And we have not seen a change. But we are obviously sensitive. These are very uncertain times. But the strength of our brands, the broad-based success that we have seen and the clean inventories that we see across our key wholesale partners and our own channels is what gives us confidence to put the guide out that we are at this point.

Camilo Lyon

Analyst · BTIG. Please state your question.

That’s great to hear and thank you for all the color. It’s greatly appreciated in these times. Matt, if I could ask you just on the gross margin outlook. Clearly, China and Vans are two of your higher-grossing contributors. So, if you could provide some context and shape around how the gross margin should evolve through the year. Clearly, it’s going to accelerate. But if you could just maybe articulate the rate of contraction, I would imagine, we would expect in Q1 and how that should progress through the year would be very helpful.

Matt Puckett

Analyst · BTIG. Please state your question.

Yes. Thanks for that question, Camilo. You are right, Q1 is going to be a little bit tougher from a gross margin standpoint. I mean the mix is going to be impacted just by the nature of kind of where the business is going to come from. You think about China, you think about Vans being a little bit lower than the overall, so certainly, there is going to be a mix headwind. The other thing that we are going to face in the first quarter is really a compare from a freight standpoint, where last year in Q1, we were starting to see some inflationary impacts in kind of underlying freight rates nowhere near the degree that we saw as we move through the year. And by the way, we spent very little kind of airfreight last Q1, because we hadn’t yet encountered some of the challenges that we all faced as Vietnam and other parts of that – the sourcing footprint in Asia shutdown through the summer. So, the airfreight spend, which was dramatic last year, really was a non-event in Q1, and we are going to see some of that in Q1 this year. So, we would expect gross margins to be down as much as a couple of hundred basis points in Q1. As we look through the year, though, we are confident in our kind of 50 basis point increase. I think when you think about tailwinds, we expect the promotional environment is going to generally remain clean for us. And I say this over and over, but our business is clean. We don’t drive our business on promotions historically. And so when it got a lot better for some than it had been historically, we didn’t see a necessarily big change because we have…

Camilo Lyon

Analyst · BTIG. Please state your question.

Great color. Thank you for that. Good luck.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Matthew Boss with JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

Matthew Boss

Analyst · JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

Great. Thanks. So Steve, maybe at a regional level, are you seeing any signs of softening in the U.S. consumer backdrop today? Maybe what are you seeing today in Europe, if we think relative to the domestic backdrop? And then just in China, from an underlying perspective, some companies have talked about underlying indications of demand despite the restrictions or kind of looking through the restrictions. Just curious what you are seeing in the U.S., Europe and China today.

Steve Rendle

Analyst · JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

Yes. No, fair question, Matt. So, let me start with Europe. Certainly, the war and crisis in Ukraine weighs on consumers’ minds in Europe, but we have not seen that impact current demand and sell-through. Inflationary environment that’s really coming from or being exacerbated by the conflict as well has not yet impacted demand or sell-through, but it’s something that we are watching very closely and are concerned, both personally for those impacted, but what the impact could be on the business. So, European business has been one of our strongest performing regions, growing double digits year-after-year for the last 5 years, 6 years. And we expect that same kind of performance through that strong platform that enables our brands to connect with those consumers. So, here in the U.S., you heard Steve say that he has not seen any change to conversations with wholesale partners. And that’s true. If there will be an impact near-term, it would be on those more lower-income consumers. But as we have reshaped our portfolio, very little bit of our business goes to that particular consumer through those channels. The one business that does have a good position there would be Dickies, and the demand of our Dickies products continues to be quite strong. And again, we will watch it closely, be sensitive to and work with our partners, but we have not seen a dramatic change there. Asia is where we have for all the things that each one of us have read and hear others talk about. COVID impacts, the rolling shutdowns, what’s that – the impact that’s had on consumer confidence and sentiment is really the large driver of that kind of reshaping of consumer demand. I think we have shaped well on how we see the year progressing. We expect the openings that are beginning to continue to go on through June. And if there is any kind of similarity to the return that we saw in the first shutdown at the beginning of the pandemic, China specifically, the consumers very quick back into demand, back into travel. And if that is to be the case, and we have modeled that to be moderately true and accelerating through the year, we expect our business to perform well and think a lot of understanding coming through the success of The North Face and being able to apply that playbook to our other brands specifically as we enter the second half.

Matthew Boss

Analyst · JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

Great. And then, Matt, as a follow-up on operating margins, multiyear, what do you see as the right level of profitability for the portfolio, or maybe while the timeline might be extended, do you think anything has actually changed versus your mid-teens plus Beaver Creek plan?

Matt Puckett

Analyst · JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

Hi Matt, yes – no, I don’t. Short answer, no, I don’t think anything has changed. I think you are right in terms of just what’s the runway there. Certainly, we are in a different place coming through COVID and all those kinds of things. But what we are proud of is the continued operating margin expansion that we have seen despite a lot of noise and kind of a different kind of mix profile even here in the near-term, we are delivering on expanding operating margin. And I have to take a minute to really, I think point you to some of the materials in the release. You look at the segment profitability across our segments and just think about the improvement in profitability we are seeing in the Outdoor and Work segment, that’s powerful and really important to us. And that really sets us up well. We have seen a little bit of erosion in our really highly profitable Active segment given some of the challenges that we faced in Vans, but that’s going to come back and modestly move up over time. And we are much better positioned to drive overall collective VF operating margin expansion with a healthier overall portfolio. So, that mid-teens plus kind of number, absolutely, that’s still what we expect. And we look forward to talking a little bit more about kind of the horizon for that and how we see that playing out in a few months’ time in September.

Matthew Boss

Analyst · JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

Great color. Best of luck.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Jim Duffy with Stifel. Please go ahead.

Jim Duffy

Analyst · Stifel. Please go ahead.

Thank you. Good afternoon guys. And I wanted to focus on Timberland for a moment. With some momentum, this is a brand that could make a nice contribution to both growth and margin. Looks like you are seeing balanced strength to the top line. Where did Timberland margin stand right now? And what’s the opportunity with the Timberland margin? And then related to that, I suppose, is how you are pricing for inflation specific to the Timberland brand?

Matt Puckett

Analyst · Stifel. Please go ahead.

So, let me start with a couple of data points there, hopefully, get your questions there, Jim, and then I will pass it to Steve to talk about the great work that’s happening there. Profitability-wise, today kind of low-double digits is where we stand and with an expectation that, that will continue to move up over time.

Steve Rendle

Analyst · Stifel. Please go ahead.

Jim, I appreciate the question on Timberland. This is an exciting brand in the portfolio. In the last couple of years, the team has taken the opportunity to really double down on some of the core elements of the brand management model we use, first with the consumer and really understanding the historical strength of the brand and the consumer that it speaks to. And they have really taken that to weave a positioning that’s anchored in both work and outdoor and really bringing that together and understanding what that consumer need is to drive the product creation strategy, focusing on icons, for sure, both the traditional boot, but the Outdoor segment, but really using that to inform their innovation platforms around GreenStride, some of the exciting things coming through that particular part of the platform, specifically focusing on women’s in the race city. We had a boot in the fall that now is a boat shoe in the spring and really being able to play that eco-innovation story with enhanced styling and comfort, seeing really nice connection and sell-through there. We have also seen the Timberloop. You heard me talk about the eco-innovation platform there, and that’s really taking that historical commitment of Timberland to sustainability and looking at a circularity model all the way from design to how the product is made and ultimately managed at the end of life and really understanding the value that, that has to the consumer. But I think what’s really driving the success and the inflection that you see here with Timberland brand is the integrated marketplace management and choices that the team has made across the globe, but probably most importantly, here in the North America marketplace and really segmenting the product and placing the very thoughtful assortments in each of their key account partners and then managing the flow tied to the sell-through. This is the brand that really has been most impacted by supply. And the demand has absolutely outstripped our ability to put enough product in front of consumers, and that energy is what’s carrying into fiscal ‘23 and the inflection that we are very excited about and have been building for. And it’s really a testament to the energized new team we have there from our ultimate leader, but also the product and marketing organization is really bringing forward all of those core elements that it’s made Timberland so powerful over the years. You see that coming together, and fiscal ‘23 will be a year of, we think, significant inflection.

Matt Puckett

Analyst · Stifel. Please go ahead.

Yes. Jim, I realized you asked about pricing and inflation. So, just to make sure I don’t miss that as well. Yes, it’s comparable, I think what we have said across the portfolio. If anything, this brand seeing a slightly higher than average – the VF average kind of product cost increase just based on kind of the nature of the product and the sourcing footprint as we put all those pieces together. But we are going to see price increases somewhat meaningful across the line as we move towards fall. But the brand couldn’t be better positioned in terms of its ability to drive that given how healthy it is today and everything that Steve just described about kind of the work that’s happened across the product and marketing aspect of that business.

Jim Duffy

Analyst · Stifel. Please go ahead.

Thank you, guys.

Steve Rendle

Analyst · Stifel. Please go ahead.

Thank you, Jim.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Brooke Roach with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Brooke Roach

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Good afternoon and thank you so much for taking question. I would like to ask about Supreme. You mentioned in your prepared comments that you were seeing some supply chain disruption that was impacting your ability to outperform your plan in the quarter. Can you talk about it in a little more detail and your outlook for the brand for this year?

Matt Puckett

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Hey Brooke, nice to talk to you. Let me start there and if – Steve, certainly jump in if I miss anything. Yes, the supply chain, I would say, overall, probably most impactful for this brand. And I think one thing to – not just the quarter, really through the year. I think we have talked about this over the last couple of quarters. We – it’s really important that product – the availability, sequencing and sort of duration of how long product is out there through the year is really important to this brand. It’s a unique business model. It’s dependent on ongoing newness, which we, by the way, think is a competitive advantage. It’s really vital that the intended product and assortment are at the right locations at the right time. And that was really difficult to accomplish last year. This brand is fairly heavily penetrated in Vietnam. And as we started to see some of those challenges, the ability to catch up was pretty difficult. You have to realize this is a brand that – our model is really about working really close to the consumer, making decisions as late as we possibly can as it relates to how we think about flow and assortment in the product itself, really important to kind of the competitive advantage of this brand. And so when things start to fall behind, you don’t have as much room to catch up. And so we just didn’t have enough inventory really all throughout the fall and even into the spring season in terms of how we would – the amount of inventory, the ability to flow it in an optimized way. And so we are really happy with the overall – kind of where the brand sits and the integration that’s occurred to-date and what we see moving forward. But clearly, this business was disrupted in a pretty meaningful way throughout fiscal ‘22.

Steve Rendle

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

And Brooke, maybe I would add. This has been a year of really significant learning for both Supreme and our VF supply chain. And understanding the Supreme model, every week, this brand puts a new assortment in front of its consumer. And if that flow is interrupted and they have to rebalance and reset, they start to get on to their – on to the heel of their foot versus the toe. And we started the year with 30% less inventory on the fall season than we do historically. So, we started from a position of a little bit less strength than they are used to, and they reacted the best they could. I think as you look forward, what’s exciting for us is as we have gained a deeper understanding, we know where we can help to support. But I think the Supreme team also is understanding the needs that they have. The hiring of a new creative director to partner with that team and further elevate both the product and the experience of the brand with Tremaine is very exciting. This is a talented individual that has a deep understanding of this consumer and this particular channel. We are able to now impact stores. We are going to be able to remodel, relocate some stores this year. We have got some new Asia store opportunities coming available as we begin to look at that international expansion, which was part of the acquisition thesis. And tourism is coming back. And this brand has a lot of consumers that don’t live in those markets where the stores reside, and the tourism impact and opening up of markets where consumers now can come back into the stores, engage with the brand, line up for the product, again, gives us another point of I think confidence of what this brand is capable of. And we are seeing that here as we open – as we move through the spring season. So, I know we don’t talk a lot about this brand. It’s certainly one that we are very proud of. There is elements of the model that they are pretty proprietary that makes them unique. But I think the things that we have talked to you about today are important proof points in parts of the strategy that will help this brand move into fiscal ‘23 in a stronger position.

Brooke Roach

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Great. And then, Matt, if I could just ask one quick follow-up, what is marketing spend as a percent of sales that’s embedded in the outlook for the year? And how does that compare to your prior year? How are you thinking about prioritizing those marketing dollars across brands for the year given how many initiatives you have across the portfolio? Thank you.

Matt Puckett

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Yes. Thanks Brooke. So, we are spending a little over 7% of sales. And that’s – it’s planned to actually, I think maybe be a tick or so up versus where we have been, but call it in a comparable range. So, kind of growing with revenue is the expectation. I am not going to get into the details in terms of where it’s going to go by brand, but you can rest assured we look really closely at things like marketing return on investment. We understand product stories and kind of readiness from a brand standpoint in terms of product, marketing, distribution and building to lean into those things. And we are – that’s kind of an ongoing evergreen process across our organization to ensure that the marketing dollars are providing the returns that we are looking for.

Brooke Roach

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Thanks so much. I will pass it on.

Steve Rendle

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Thank you, Brooke.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Bob Drbul with Guggenheim. Please state your question.

Bob Drbul

Analyst · Guggenheim. Please state your question.

Hey, just – good afternoon. Love to hear a little bit more. You have, I think $2.5 billion on your share repurchase. Given where the stock is, just love to hear your thoughts on that in FY ‘23. And then I guess a similar thing is just the M&A opportunities that you are seeing. When you think about capital allocation, I don’t know if you just maybe give us an update on how you are really thinking about it at this point? Thanks.

Matt Puckett

Analyst · Guggenheim. Please state your question.

Yes. Thanks Bob. I guess one thing I would mention is, as part of the prepared comments, we have got a tax deposit we are dealing with. So, we are going to navigate that. So, that’s a little bit of something that we have got to manage from a, I will call it an overall leverage and liquidity perspective. So, we are going to be thoughtful there. Clearly, we have shown that when it makes sense and when we have got excess cash, we will be opportunistic and buyback shares. We did that during the back half of this year. We will continue to evaluate those opportunities. As it relates to M&A, it’s – we have obviously shown, I think and demonstrated our intent to continually optimize our portfolio. It’s an evergreen process for us both in terms of looking at the marketplace and areas where we think we have – where we may be underpenetrated or parts of our – the TAMs that we are really focused on, outdoor, active, athletic, work, and opportunities to bring assets into the portfolio that we think makes sense and add to and really accelerate our ability to drive long-term growth, both top and bottom line. And at the same time, we are always evaluating the portfolio that we have to ensure that it makes sense. And we have demonstrated the fact that we will do both acquisitions and divestitures, and that’s something that we will continue to do.

Steve Rendle

Analyst · Guggenheim. Please state your question.

And Bob, the dividend remains very important as well. It’s been an important part of the thesis. And all three, we look to really move those levers appropriately but not – important not to forget the dividend as well.

Bob Drbul

Analyst · Guggenheim. Please state your question.

Thank you.

Steve Rendle

Analyst · Guggenheim. Please state your question.

Thanks Bob.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Paul Lejuez with Citi. Please state your question.

Tracy Kogan

Analyst · Citi. Please state your question.

Thanks. It’s Tracy Kogan filling in for Paul. I had two questions. The first is a follow-up on your gross margin guidance for this year. I was wondering by brand if there were any meaningful differences for that plus 50 basis points overall. And then secondly, what’s your view on the right fleet size for each of your brands? And how many store openings approximately are you expecting this year? Thanks.

Matt Puckett

Analyst · Citi. Please state your question.

Yes. So, yes, no significant variances there. I did – in terms of the gross margin kind of expansion for the year, we are not going to see exactly perfect at the average in terms of product cost increases or even price increases. So, there will be some variations. And clearly, kind of the benefit of lower expedited freight, that won’t be exactly the same across each brand. We are probably – there is parts of our business where the demand continues to be really, really strong, where we will probably see a little bit more airfreight in some cases. But by and large, it’s – you shouldn’t expect significant differences by brand. As it relates to the fleet, I don’t know about exactly whether we have ever really talked about that. What we really talk about is the integrated marketplace management and the role of our own stores, the role of our digital business in terms of the overall ecosystem of our direct-to-consumer, the importance of key strategic accounts that we have across the world in all three regions and as part of that, obviously, is kind of the digital titan partnerships that we have. So, we believe that brick-and-mortar is an important aspect of that. We will continue to have brick-and-mortar be an important part of our overall approach. We are adding stores probably the net adds are less today than they were a few years ago. And we continue to ensure that all of our stores make sense from a – both from a strategic perspective, right locations, right size, right profit profile and contribution and supporting that overall ecosystem. So, we are probably closing a few more stores on the fringe than we have historically. And we are really focused on making sure we got the right stores in the right place. And in some cases, it’s sort of fewer, bigger, better is maybe a way to think about it.

Tracy Kogan

Analyst · Citi. Please state your question.

Great. Thanks very much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from John Kernan with Cowen. Please state your question.

Krista Zuber

Analyst · Cowen. Please state your question.

Good afternoon. It’s Krista Zuber on for John. Most of our questions have been answered. Just wanted to touch on your guidance for adjusted cash flow from operations in fiscal ‘23. I think you are guiding to about $1.2 billion. I mean that implies a fair acceleration over fiscal ‘22. So, I wonder if you could provide a little bit of color on the drivers of that and particularly as it relates to what you see opportunity-wise for your inventory turns? Thank you.

Matt Puckett

Analyst · Cowen. Please state your question.

Yes. Good question. You are very astute. You are all over it. It does imply a bit of an acceleration, but it doesn’t imply, I think anything that’s all that abnormal from our historical. This year actually has been a little bit lower because of really how we managed last year. We actually reduced our working capital balance at the end of last year pretty dramatically as you think about where we position inventory coming out of last year as we were managing very cautiously through the pandemic. So, we have assumed kind of that benefit in terms of not having to kind of build that inventory that we did this year. The same kind of thing applies to accounts receivables. So, this year’s numbers, I would say, is more normalized in fiscal ‘23, how we have guided. Fiscal ‘22 was a little bit lower from a working capital standpoint. So, hopefully, that gives you the color you are looking for.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And ladies and gentlemen, at this time, I will turn the floor back to Steve Rendle for closing remarks.

Steve Rendle

Analyst

I would like to thank everybody for taking the time to join us this afternoon. We delivered solid results in what was a very challenging and highly dynamic environment, and we leveraged our extensive scale, relationships, our talented people and our world-class brands to deliver those results. We generated broad-based profitable growth with five brands achieving record sales. And our family of brands is strong, it’s balanced and it’s gaining momentum and is poised to deliver strong, sustainable and profitable growth in fiscal ‘23 and beyond. I am very confident that we have the right leaders in place across our business with a deep and broad bench of talent. And we remain committed to investing for growth in order to advance our strategy, and importantly, to deliver superior returns to our shareholders. So, thank you for your time today.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. This concludes today’s conference. All parties may disconnect. Have a good day.