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Warner Music Group Corp. (WMG)

Q1 2015 Earnings Call· Thu, Feb 12, 2015

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Operator

Operator

Welcome to the Warner Music Group's First Quarter 2015 Earnings Call for the period ending December 31, 2014. At the request of Warner Music Group, today's call is being recorded for replay purposes and if you an objection you may disconnect at this time. As a reminder, there will be a question-and-answer session following today's presentation. [Operator Instructions] Now, I'd like to turn today’s call over to your host for today, Mr. James Stephens, Executive Vice President, Communications and Marketing. You may begin.

James Stephens

Analyst

Good morning, everyone. Welcome to Warner Music Group’s Fiscal First Quarter 2015 conference call. Both our earnings press release and the Form 10-Q we filed this morning are available on our website. Today, our CEO, Steve Cooper, will update you on our business performance and strategy; our Executive Vice President and CFO, Eric Levin, will discuss our financial condition and results; and then both of them will take your questions. Before Steve’s comments, let me remind you that this communication includes forward-looking statements that reflect the current views of Warner Music Group about future events and financial performance. All forward-looking statements are made as of today and we disclaim any duty to update such statements. Our expectations, beliefs and projections are expressed in good faith and we believe there is a good basis for them. However, there can be no assurance that management’s expectations, beliefs and projections will result or be achieved. Investors should not rely on forward-looking statements because they are subject to a variety of risks, uncertainty, and other factors that could cause actual results that differ materially from our expectations. Information concerning factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those in the forward-looking statements is contained in our earnings press release and Form 10-Q and other SEC filings. We plan to present certain non-GAAP results during this conference call. We have provided schedules reconciling these results to our GAAP results in our earnings press release posted on our website. Also please note that all revenue figures discussed today will be presented in constant currency. With that, let me turn it over to Steve.

Stephen Cooper

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Your line is open

Good morning, everyone. Thanks for joining us today. As I mentioned on the last call, we had plenty of good news heading into the holiday season and the strength of that momentum is reflected on our results. In the first quarter we grew total revenue by 7%. We grew digital revenue by 14% and we grew OIBDA by 10%. I'm very pleased with these results. They underscored the success of our A&R activities and the speed at which we are embracing new business models. However, as we've often said, we do not measure our performance by the metrics of a single quarter. Our focus is on sustainable long-term growth. We know that the music industry will continue to evolve. We are mindful of the ongoing macro trends such as the decline in physical and download revenue and the rapid rise of streaming. In the first few weeks of this year, recorded music trade associations from around the world reported their market data for calendar '14. While some key territories saw modest growths, others experienced small declines. When we look at the data, we believe it supports an optimistic view about the current and future state of our industry. In the U.S. according to Nielsen/SoundScan, album equivalent unit sales including physical downloads and streaming declined 2%. This decline was due in part to a 15% drop in CD unit sales. We were encouraged that total digital album equivalent units grew nearly 4% with a 54% increase in streaming more than compensating for a 12% decline in downloads. It is also worth noting that vinyl unit sales grew 52% last year hitting their highest level since SoundScan began in '91. In Japan, the market remains challenged. Preliminary figures suggest that total revenue contracted 4.5% in '14, though this represents a slowing in…

Eric Levin

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Your line is open

Thank you Steve and good morning everyone. We are pleased with our first quarter results. We continue to discover the greatest artists and songwriters in the world and partner with them over long and productive careers. Our team is also very focused on cost and cash management, which is evident in our working capital performance this quarter. Our revenue results reflect strong holiday sales with 7% overall growth. From an OIBDA perspective certain adjustments are necessary to make the year-over-year comparisons more meaningful. We have highlighted these in our press release, but let me walk you through them. In the quarter we had $4 million in PLG related expenses, which is down significantly from $27 million in the prior year quarter, $6 million in one-time costs related to the move to our new corporate headquarters and $4 million in expenses relating to other cost savings initiatives. Backing out these items, adjusted OIBDA declined 3% to $116 million and adjusted OIBDA margin declined 0.7 percentage points to 14%. This quarter we had higher investment in marketing in support of our releases. Changes in revenue mix also impacted adjusted OIBDA margin. The integration of PLG remains on track to deliver projected cost savings and operating synergies of around $70 million. To-date we have captured $62 million of these and expect the remainder to come over the balance of the fiscal year. In recorded music, we delivered 8% revenue growth. Physical revenue rose 13% aided by the releases from artists who traditionally have a higher proportion of physical sales. Digital revenue grew 10% reflecting strong worldwide growth in streaming revenue and modest growth in download revenue. Recorded music licensing revenue was flat and artist service and expanded rights revenue was down $3 million driven by the timing of European concert tours. Recorded music…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions]. Our first question comes from Aaron Watts from Deutsche Bank. Your line is open.

Aaron Watts

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Your line is open

Good morning everyone. Thanks for taking the questions. A few from me, I was encouraged by the revenue growth in the quarter. I was hoping you could dig down a little bit more into what went on, on the cost side with the synergies from the PLG acquisition flowing through as you've highlighted and the growth on the top line, I was expecting to see a little bit better margin performance. Can you maybe just talk a little bit about more what you're investing in and what you meant by kind of changes in revenue mix?

Stephen Cooper

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Your line is open

Yeah, thank you Aaron. I'll highlight two things, so one is we had a higher investment in marketing this quarter in line with our strong releases. One thing we would expect is the marketing is front-end loaded and the continued performance of the artists that they are supporting will flow into future quarters, so we expect to see continued performance in sales from that, which is driven by this upfront marketing. And then two is, we actually had growth in physical this quarter and physical we know has higher costs related to production and distribution. So that change in mix also has a cost impact. So those would be the two drivers.

Aaron Watts

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Your line is open

So is it fair to say that based on the upfront nature of some of those marketing expenditures and the fact that physical was maybe a little over-weighted in the quarter that we wouldn't see this kind of margin performance continue in the quarters to come, is that a fair interpretation of what you're saying?

Stephen Cooper

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Your line is open

I think that's fair. We should not interpret any longer-term or sustainable margin decrease. This is just simply related to supporting this period's artists and revenue growth and we certainly expect margin to continue to normalize throughout the rest of the year.

Aaron Watts

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Your line is open

Okay, as we think about your digital performance, the growth in the quarter, was that - is that mainly being driven by downloads in the quarter or is that mainly being driven by streaming? And I guess I'm kind of getting at, is streaming yet a kind of material or a significant portion of your digital revenues relative to downloads for instance?

Stephen Cooper

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Your line is open

The streaming is material. As we said last quarter when I think we said streaming was within $1 million of download revenue. It is somewhat similar this quarter, streaming and digital are close to parody and streaming continues to grow quite aggressively and download actually at a fairly stable quarter.

Aaron Watts

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Your line is open

Okay. On the publishing side of the house, you speak to a lot of positive trends going on in that business, obviously mechanical is the drag that it is, but do you see that, you see the publishing side of the house returning to overall revenue growth this year and I guess that would flow through to EBITDA growth as well or is mechanical going to continue to offset kind of the good things you're doing away from that?

Stephen Cooper

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Your line is open

I think in this quarter what we see, obviously digital continues to grow, which you're right, the structural elements with mechanical kind of have a natural interplay. Performance this quarter was down marginally, that simply related to the timing of distributions, which we expect to kin of reverse as we move forward this year. So we do expect continued solid performance in publishing.

Aaron Watts

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Your line is open

Okay. Last question for me, thanks again for taking these. Just any general thoughts you can give us on the release schedule, if not specifically maybe more just timing wise as it sits today when we might see more kind of new releases from you versus a lighter portion of the air?

Stephen Cooper

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Your line is open

We've got a, I think this year in a better balanced release schedule than we had last year. If you recall the first six months of the year last year was pretty light. We were much stronger in the first quarter, we'll be a little lighter in the second quarter and then in the latter half of the year we expect to continue to have a strong release schedule. We're also hoping throughout the year the year to be showcasing a lot of tremendous new music and very talented new artists. So I'm pretty comfortable with where we currently stand and I look forward to releasing a lot of great music this year.

Aaron Watts

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Your line is open

Okay, thanks again.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from David Farber of Credit Suisse. Your line is open.

David Farber

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Your line is open

Good morning guys. How are you?

Eric Levin

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Your line is open

Hello.

Stephen Cooper

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Your line is open

Great, it's freezing to death here in New York with some other polar vortex.

David Farber

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Your line is open

Yeah, same. So I wanted to ask a couple different questions. First is just hoping to get a little bit better picture of the digital business. I believe on the last quarter you guys discussed sort of the growth rates in digital and you gave us a little bit of color on the downloads and the digital. So maybe to the extend you're accountable I understand the question someone asked, but can you give us a little bit of better flavor about the trajectory of that business in streaming versus digital downloads and I have a couple follow-ups from there? Thanks.

Stephen Cooper

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Your line is open

Sure David, happy to. So what we see certainly in this quarter is streaming continuing to grow quite assertively and we continue to see those trends. So Spotify I think has announced that they are over 15 million page streaming subs and growing at an accelerated rate. And so those market trends and we see the results here are growing quite well. In this past quarter downloads were quite stable, supported in part by our strong release schedule and high performance, I may argue even over performance in that market. So going forward we're extremely optimistic in the digital trends driven by the strength of streaming.

David Farber

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Your line is open

Understood and then I think one question we continue to get from investors is sort of the margin impact. I think you guys have been very consistent saying overall pretty much the same if not potentially better for streaming, just trying to understand sort of that maybe the cash flow characteristics, did they changed you given the money coming in for the recording is not the liberty or ones, just can you talk a little bit about the cash flow characteristics of the streaming side versus the digital downloads? And then to the extent you can talk about the acquisition you made in the quarter, any sort of metrics around either contribution or multiple will be helpful and then just had a followup on the balance sheet? Thanks.

Stephen Cooper

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Your line is open

If you look at the metrics David, we see a range, you know, if you look at a single download versus streaming or an album download streaming it looks to us based upon the area of the world that with a single we've got a relationship of somewhere between 120 to 160 to one streams to download and that range x 10 would apply to a total equivalent album statistic. As Eric said, from what we can see at the services, they are particularly Spotify adding each subscribers at a very accelerated rate and we would expect that as both subscribers and people in their funnel use this music that sometime in the not-too-distant future the number of streams will outweigh the number of downloads on those ratios in those lines will cross and as we mentioned since it is digital as compared to physical we get you know, better margins through the process. What specific acquisition were you referring to?

David Farber

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Your line is open

I thought you were making mention to the one and Gari.

Stephen Cooper

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Your line is open

Well, Gari is a production music operation and they provided for news programs around the United States with theme music. They are the largest theme music production music company in the United States. That being said it is not a gigantic business and while we think that it will add to our NPS in our bottom line in a nicely positive direction, it won't be a very substantial needle movement, but it's an area of the music publishing business that we have invested in historically and that where we want to have a greater presence and this allows us to do it, but it is not bay any stretch of the imagination a big needle mover David.

David Farber

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Your line is open

Got it. Okay, that's helpful. And then the last question was, I noticed parsing through the Q this morning as quickly as I could that you guys drew sown on the revolver to the tune of 100 million and then just simply repaid it into the quarter. I am just curious sort of how you - what was sort of the reason for using that versus cash and do you anticipate needing or will look to use the revolver throughout the next year, any thoughts around that and then that's it for me? Thanks.

Stephen Cooper

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Your line is open

Well, we use the revolver for certain short-term working capital needs when there's periods of significant payment we just use that in the short-term. It is always our objective to use that as modestly as possible and manage using our own organic and internal cash flow and we manage working capital aggressively here and we're pleased to be able to say that we have zero revolver use at the end of the quarter and that remains a target of ours.

David Farber

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Your line is open

Got it and just to be clear, do you intend to use it at all for the upcoming year or any thoughts around that?

Stephen Cooper

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Your line is open

There you know, we may use it periodically in short-term you know, working capital periods, but again our objective is over the you know, thrust and of the year long-term to be able to align our own cash flow, but from time-to-time we may use it.

David Farber

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Your line is open

Very good. Okay thank you for the help and the questions and answers. Take care.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Davis Hebert from Wells Fargo Securities. Your line is open.

Davis Hebert

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities. Your line is open

Good morning everyone. Thanks for taking the questions. I appreciate the commentary on physical that was higher. I realized the release schedule was favorable to some artists that are more weighted towards a physical product. Just curious your thoughts around the outlook for physical, do you feel like that growth is sustainable or should we aspect to see year-over-year declines in the coming quarters?

Stephen Cooper

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities. Your line is open

Again, as you've noted Davis, it's really driven into a large extent by release schedules and whether the artists have been historically are physically oriented versus digitally oriented. If you put aside the specifics of a release schedule, I think the expectation is that physical will continue to decline just generally as people move to other forms of enjoying music in particular streaming. Now that being said, there is a very bright spot in physical, which is final and year-over-year that's up more than 50% and what we see is because of the quality of the vinyl, the interest in collecting vinyl. We expect that to continue. We would expect also kind of niche bright spots with CDs which are the Collector's Edition and the high-res CDs notwithstanding we expect the CD market to continue to contract. That being said, the demise has been predicted for years and we believe that while contracting it will have a very long tail.

Davis Hebert

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities. Your line is open

Understood and I would imagine vinyl although is seeing robust growth is still a relatively small percentage of your physical business?

Stephen Cooper

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities. Your line is open

Yes, it is.

Davis Hebert

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities. Your line is open

Okay, and I also appreciate all the commentary on streaming. You mentioned a lot of the players that are involved now Apple, Google and pretty big heavyweights Spotify. I am just curious, do you favor any sort of format or player or do you take the view that no matter who wins, we win because it is becoming quite a crowded space?

Stephen Cooper

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities. Your line is open

Well, I don't think we as content providers don’t favor a particular platform. Our preference is obviously subscription versus free or subscription versus premium and we continue to regularly interact with our distribution partners about what they are doing to encourage people move into a subscription based listening formats. With respect to platforms, we don't have a preference of one over the other per se.

Davis Hebert

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities. Your line is open

Okay, and the copyright office put out a very long report on the future of music licensing, just curious of your thoughts. Can then benefit you if those in fact become the law of the land or the CRB takes the same view?

Stephen Cooper

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities. Your line is open

Well, I don't think we agree with all of the conclusions you know, by way of example the full federalization of pre sub and pre-sound recordings. You know, or compulsory licensing for non-interactive use of our compositions. We think though that it was thoughtful and it was well written and you'd say you know, looking at this area is certainly a step in the right direction.

Davis Hebert

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities. Your line is open

Understood, okay. And when you say on your release schedule you said lighter versus heavier, just curious what is that in relation to you, is that year-over-year like if we're looking at next quarter being lighter, is that versus Q2 2014?

Stephen Cooper

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities. Your line is open

Well, I don’t want to go into it specifically. It is not lighter in my view relative to last year. It is certainly lighter relative to the first fiscal quarter and this has incidentally been, it's been typical at least our release schedule for the last few years, heavier first quarter, lighter second quarter and then building up to heavier in the third and fourth quarter.

Davis Hebert

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities. Your line is open

Understood. And then last one for me just on cash uses this year. Any update on how your CapEx might be looking for the fiscal year?

Eric Levin

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities. Your line is open

Yeah, I think last year our CapEx was $76 million and I think our historical run rate in the mid 30s. We certainly expect this year to be below the $76 million last year. It will be potentially marginally or it will be somewhat above the 35 and I think there's two reasons. One is we're completing this quarter our office move at 1633 Broadway and that is wrapping up and that has some CapEx expense this year. That is now behind us and we also continue to look at and continue to move forward with some IT upgrades, which have long-term benefits for our business and I think it's worth noting that with those IT initiatives we absolutely look at them on a return on investment basis and we expect them to pay off over the mid and longer-term.

Davis Hebert

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities. Your line is open

Great, I appreciate all the color. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you, and our last question today will be from Michael McCaffery from Shenkman Capital Management. Your line is open.

Michael McCaffery

Analyst · Shenkman Capital Management. Your line is open

Thank you. I just wanted to clarify the comments made to Davis on the physical, the physical increased this quarter, do you view that more as a anomaly versus, I know some countries still have a fairly strong physical business. If I understood your answer to Davis, it sounded like the expectation is you're not going to see the strength you saw in physical this quarter and future quarters this year, but I just wanted you to clarify that?

Stephen Cooper

Analyst · Shenkman Capital Management. Your line is open

Yeah, I think that again it's really highly dependent on our release schedules, but I think just to clarify to your initial point. When you look at the composition in music globally roughly 60% on a global basis is still physical and downloads, so that while we see you know, a very rapid growth in streaming we don't forget and hopefully you guys don't forget that physical and downloads remain for the foreseeable future still a very, very, very, very important components of music globally. There are a number of markets by way of example Japan, which is the world's number two market and Germany, which is the world's number three market that are still highly physical and while the digital transformation streaming is beginning to take hold in those markets, we expect them to be physically oriented for you know, the foreseeable future. We had in the first quarter releases where any number of our artists have historically been physically oriented and that was in large part attributable to our fiscal sales in the first quarter, while we could see that in future quarters, we continue to believe that the overall trends will be a decline in physical, both in the U.S. and globally but with a different contracting curves around the world Michael.

Michael McCaffery

Analyst · Shenkman Capital Management. Your line is open

Okay. And I guess, second, when you mentioned that, you know, making an effort to have a more balanced release schedule throughout fiscal '15 versus '14 can you give us a sense for how much of that is leveraging Parlophone catalog re-releasing older, Pink Floyd, that type of stuff versus your new artists as an effort to balance it out? In other words using access to content that you may not have had a year ago?

Stephen Cooper

Analyst · Shenkman Capital Management. Your line is open

Well we certainly when we acquired Parlophone we acquired a fantastic catalog of artists, both global artists and local artists with respect to the European operations, EMI that we picked up. And we are certainly making every effort to introduce those catalog components into our global release schedules, both global artists and local artists. That being said, as we mentioned the investments that we make in our current active roster and the investment we make in discovering and bringing to the world our new artist and their music continues in an unabated fashion. I would expect that our catalog sales will continue to be 35% or 40% of our annual recorded music sales somewhere in that area for the foreseeable future.

Michael McCaffery

Analyst · Shenkman Capital Management. Your line is open

And just to be clear, that 35% to 40% is that significantly higher than it was pre Parlophone?

Stephen Cooper

Analyst · Shenkman Capital Management. Your line is open

I don’t believe so, but we can get back to you on those statistics. Because keep in mind with Parlophone we picked up not only a catalog, but any number of prominent artists, Coldplay, David Guetta, Pablo Alborán, to name a few. So we had a nicely balanced business there inclusive of the fantastic Parlophone catalog.

Michael McCaffery

Analyst · Shenkman Capital Management. Your line is open

Okay, the partnership that you mentioned, the four key partnerships, when do you expect those to start to add to revenue in a material way, is that going to be a fiscal '15 event?

Stephen Cooper

Analyst · Shenkman Capital Management. Your line is open

We are hopeful that it would be sooner as opposed to later, but candidly putting aside Tencent which we know will add to fiscal '15 revenue. When we look at Snapchat, Interlude, and Vessel, these are new and innovated approaches to the utilization of music and the monetization thereof, and I think it's just too soon to tell. The good news is all of these innovators whether it be Snapchat, whether it be Interlude, or Vessel, recognize that as part of their approach to creating these very new and interesting business models is the inclusion of music and that's, you know, per se reinforces our view that each new models in conjunction with streaming should hold for the music industry a very bright future.

Michael McCaffery

Analyst · Shenkman Capital Management. Your line is open

Okay and then on the, you had mentioned a couple of the key movements in the digital space as far as acquisitions are concerned. Do you feel like there needs to be a consolidation amongst this wide array of Metu [ph] streaming services and if so, does that ultimately help you guys?

Stephen Cooper

Analyst · Shenkman Capital Management. Your line is open

Well, I think that if you look at any industry, virtually any industry we think competition is not only healthy it's necessary. That being said, you know in an industry where there are many, many, many, many, people competing for the same customer, there is ultimately some degree of consolidation. And it wouldn't surprise me on a personal, not a company point of view note, that over time we see that happen in the streaming world.

Michael McCaffery

Analyst · Shenkman Capital Management. Your line is open

Okay and I guess just final question, if you could just speak to your thoughts around potential refine of the 13 and three quarter notes the call option becomes available to you later this year, between that cash building up over the course of the year possible prepayments on the current loan, can you just talk about planned uses of cash and/or how you're thinking about that whole code note right now?

Stephen Cooper

Analyst · Shenkman Capital Management. Your line is open

Well, on the on the whole code notes, I can't give you a specific answer. What I can tell you is, we are always acutely aware of the structure of our balance sheet and the cost of our capital and we are always looking at how we can have more efficient capital structures at lower costs.

Michael McCaffery

Analyst · Shenkman Capital Management. Your line is open

And maybe to ask the same question slightly differently, is there, are you comfortable building cash or is there a point at which too much cash if there is not ample acquisition opportunity that you would look to do some type of voluntary debt repayment?

Stephen Cooper

Analyst · Shenkman Capital Management. Your line is open

Listen we are always looking to take excess cash and utilizing it in the way that it strengthens our business for the long haul. If we don't have growth opportunities and we have balance sheet management opportunities, we will look to utilize the cash in that way. But we will see where we stand later in the calendar year before we make any balance sheet decisions.

Michael McCaffery

Analyst · Shenkman Capital Management. Your line is open

Very good. Thank you very much.

Stephen Cooper

Analyst · Shenkman Capital Management. Your line is open

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you and I'll return the conference call back over to your speakers for closing remarks.

Stephen Cooper

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Your line is open

Well, if there are no further questions, thanks everyone for joining us today. I hope you all stay warm and we'll speak to you in a few months. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you, that does conclude today's conference, you may all disconnect at this time.