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Wabash National Corporation (WNC)

Q1 2018 Earnings Call· Fri, May 4, 2018

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Operator

Operator

Welcome to the First Quarter 2018 Wabash National Earnings Conference Call. My name is Christine, and I will be your operator for today's call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. Please note that this conference is being recorded. I will now turn the call over to Jeff Taylor. You may begin.

Jeffery Taylor

Management

Thank you, Christine. And good morning. Welcome to the Wabash National Corporation 2018 First Quarter Earnings Call. This is Jeff Taylor, Chief Financial Officer. Joining me today are Dick Giromini, Chief Executive Officer; and Brent Yeagy, President and Chief Operating Officer. Dick and Brent will discuss the results for the first quarter, the current operating environment and our outlook for the remainder of 2018. In addition, I will provide an overview of the financial results. At the conclusion of the prepared remarks, we will open the call for questions from the listening audience. Before we begin, I'd like to cover two brief items. First, please note that this call is being recorded. Second, as with all these types of presentations, this morning's call contains certain forward-looking information, including statements about the company's prospects, adjusted earnings per share guidance, the industry outlook, backlog information, financial condition and other matters. As you know, actual results could differ materially from those projected in the forward-looking statements. These statements should be viewed via the cautionary statements and risk factors set forth from time-to-time in the company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. With that, it is my pleasure to turn the call over to Dick Giromini, CEO.

Richard Giromini

Management

Thanks, Jeff. Let me start by saying that we're pleased to have delivered all-time record topline results for our first quarter, driven by strong overall demand environment, greater-than-anticipated new trailer shipments of 13,200 units, and further supported by the revenue delivered from our recently expanded Final Mile business. The strong start to the year has us now well positioned to deliver on our updated increased full year company guidance for revenue and earnings. I'll speak more about that later. Backlog, overall, grew once again, reaching record levels of $1.3 billion, including a significant sequential backlog increase of 40% within the Diversified Products segment, resulting in its highest level since 2015 and a 50% sequential increase in backlog for the Final Mile segment, including units built but not yet picked up. Additionally, trailer orders received during the quarter within our Commercial Trailer segment remains strong, leading to its third highest first quarter backlog on record and up $169 million or 22% year-over-year. That, combined with our continued development and commercialization in new products and technology, and significant focus on capital investment and productivity growth and integration projects has positioned us well for continued success. As anticipated and previously discussed, continued raw material inflation, along with normal seasonally higher operating costs, all impacted margins throughout the quarter. In addition, expenses related to the continued investment in the development and ramp up of our proprietary molded structural composite or MSC operation in Little Falls, Minnesota, along with continued development of our proprietary Cell Core and honeycomb panel technologies impacted results by roughly $2.7 million in the quarter. While unfortunate that these seem to all come to a head at the same time, we need to recognize that this is temporary in nature and is a standard part of doing business in the industrial…

Brent Yeagy

President

Thanks, Dick. And good morning, everyone. As Dick highlighted, it was a solid quarter for the company, and I am pleased to say all three of our business segments continue to execute at their -- on their strategic growth plans, while simultaneously navigating robust demand environments across the business. The ongoing investments, our Little Falls facility and the introduction of our DuraPlate Cell Core dry van, both highlight our ongoing commitment to innovation as well as the strategic steps we're taking to diversify by introducing value added premium products into existing and new markets. We continue to accelerate the implementation of the Wabash management system across all operating segments of Wabash national, the power of an aligned and systematic approach to drive excellence and safety, lean manufacturing and effective leadership will provide the structure necessary to drive continued improvement in today's operations and the enhanced ability to manage a growing Wabash National. With that, let me get into some business specifics from the first quarter. I will start with the Diversified Products Group or DPG which includes our composites, tank trailer, Process Systems and Aviation & Truck Equipment businesses. Q1 revenues were $95 million, the highest since Q4 2015, and an increase in both year-over-year and sequential comparisons, while delivering operating income of $5 million. Overall results in this segment reflected improving market conditions resulting in increased demand, primarily within our tank trailer business. DPG's results were impacted by short term labor inefficiencies from an influx of labor and higher-than-normal levels of overtime to meet rising demand levels, which we consider positive for the short term as the tank trailer market is clearly strengthening. We expect to experience continued top and bottom line improvement from DPG as we increase production and shipments within the tank trailer segment throughout the year…

Jeffery Taylor

Management

Thanks, Brent. And good morning, everyone. As we've stated, we are pleased with the first quarter performance as it represents a solid start to the year and more importantly, we are very excited about the growth in our backlog and strong outlook for the remainder of 2018. While first quarter margins were impacted by raw material inflation, labor ramp-up costs and development costs for new products and panel technologies, these investments have positioned us to execute on the strong demand environment in 2018 and beyond as well as continue our development and commercialization of new products with breakthrough performance. With that, let's turn to the financial results for the quarter. On a consolidated basis, net revenue achieved the first quarter record at $491 million, an increase of $129 million or 36% compared to the first quarter of last year. Net sales increased for both Commercial Trailer Products and Diversified Products on a year-over-year basis. In addition, to the very favorable impact of adding the Final Mile segment as a result of the Supreme acquisition, all contributed to the record revenue for the quarter. Consolidated new trailer shipments were 13,200 units during the quarter, above our shipment guidance. First quarter build levels totaled approximately 14,750 units, also exceeding our expectations for the quarter. And it's typical for builds to significantly exceed shipments in the first quarter of the year. Components, parts and service revenue was $38 million in the quarter, down from $44 million in the prior year quarter, primarily as a result of lower sales at our branch locations as we continue to transition company-owned branch stores to independent dealers. This decrease was partially offset by stronger aftermarket sales and CTP. Equipment and other revenue was $103 million in the quarter, up $75 million compared to the first quarter of…

Richard Giromini

Management

Thanks, Jeff. As you all are aware, I'll be stepping down from my role as CEO at the end of the day on Friday, June 1. So this is my final earnings call. I wanted to take this opportunity to express my sincere thanks to each of our analysts and all of our investors for your support these past 16 years of my time here at Wabash National and most notably, for these past 11 plus years that I've served as CEO. It's been a privilege and honor to lead our company and to get to know so many of you. Your support of me and of Wabash has been much appreciated. I also want you to know that the company and all of you will be in good hands come June 2, when Brent Yeagy takes over the reins, stepping in as our President and CEO. He's a strong leader with a solid team ready to take Wabash to higher and higher levels of performance in the months and years ahead. With that, I'll turn the call back over to the operator and we'll take any questions.

Operator

Operator

Thank you [Operator Instructions] Our first question is from Brad Delco of Stephens. Please go ahead.

Brad Delco

Analyst · Stephens. Please go ahead

Good morning, gentlemen. And Dick, congratulations on the fantastic job over the course of your career.

Richard Giromini

Management

Hanks, Brad. I appreciate it.

Brad Delco

Analyst · Stephens. Please go ahead

Maybe first high level question, how do you think about how your position versus your competitors if we do see anything with - from a steel or aluminum perspective with the tariff discussion? Any thought on what incremental cost that may be for a trailer for you relative to your competitors?

Brent Yeagy

President

Brad, this is Brent. At this point, I wouldn't say that we are in a disadvantaged position in any way, shape or form. We generally believe that our risk management strategies are advanced as compared to the bulk of our competition. We understand where our backlog has set and due to the nature of the customers and when they order, that tends to put us in an advantaged position relative to how tariffs are affecting us today and into the future. I also think that due to the fact that we are the pricing leader within the industry, I think we're out ahead of our competition and driving pricing within the market which will just be advantageous for us not only in the back half of 2018, but definitely as we move into 2019.

Brad Delco

Analyst · Stephens. Please go ahead

Okay. But when I think about -- there is one trailer manufacturer that's been -- seems like aggressively taking a lot of share and growing quite rapidly, do you feel like you're in a better position versus them based upon where they're located and maybe where they're sourcing some of their materials, maybe specifically, some of the composite materials?

Brent Yeagy

President

No, we understand that. I would say that if anything with the tariffs that are related to coil and some other actions that are taking place related to, we'll call it regulatory barriers that are being put, specifically on composite panels, we may actually be in an advantageous position going forward on that account. We...

Brad Delco

Analyst · Stephens. Please go ahead

I just wanted to make sure I was thinking about that correctly.

Brent Yeagy

President

Yes, absolutely. And then, the last thing I would say is that as we just executed in the market as a whole, relative to all of our competition but specifically to the one that, I think, you're referring to, we are sitting relatively well positioned in our competitive position across all the different competitors, specifically, that one. And what we're seeing across the board is the beginning of pricing recovery as a result of our competition moving with us in the market.

Brad Delco

Analyst · Stephens. Please go ahead

Got you. And then, that probably leads me into, maybe, the second question for Jeff. So this is supposed to be the low watermark on CTP gross margins. If I recall correctly, I thought you said margins should be closer to flat from fourth quarter, which were around 12.2%, this was 11.2%? What maybe was more of a headwind than you expected in the first quarter? And I know you guys commented a lot on why you think margins improved sequentially but if you can sort of maybe address what was -- what you think specifically you're going to do to -- I don't know, to see a sequential improvement and to the extent you can give us?

Jeffery Taylor

Management

Yes. Certainly, Brad. So let me -- first of all, my comment last quarter was we expect margins for CTP to be similar as they were in the fourth quarter. So we're -- I would characterize where we came out for the quarter is within my view of where similar is. We certainly knew that, sequentially, volume was going to step down, so I'm not surprised that margin went from 12.2% to 11.2% from fourth quarter to first quarter. As we look ahead, we feel very, very confident that the volumes are going to pick up. We've seen that ramp up. We've seen the strong quote and order activity. Our backlog has increased as a record high for the company, third highest first quarter level, overall. We know that some of the labor inefficiencies from bringing labor on in the first quarter is going to get efficient and more productive. We feel confident that, that's going to help improve margins as we go through the quarter, in addition to the leverage effect from having higher volumes. And then, as we move through 2018, we do expect that pricing will continue to eat away at the material increases that we've seen up to this point. And so that combination of factors is what leads us to feel good about the remainder of 2018, but certainly as we move into the second quarter.

Richard Giromini

Management

Yes. Brad, this is Dick. I can't emphasize strongly enough how confident we are and how good we feel about the year as it progresses, going forward. With the actions that have been taken by the organization relative to pricing to offset some of the headwinds that we've seen on material costs. And really driven significantly by the significant increase in demand as we progress through the year in relation to what we experienced in the first quarter is going to make a tremendous impact on both top line and bottom line for the organization.

Brent Yeagy

President

That's why Jeff shared what we felt - we calculate as the incremental flow through margins, going forward. Just to give you some little bit more guidance on it for folks.

Brad Delco

Analyst · Stephens. Please go ahead

Mid 21% to 23%? So an incremental revenue between first and second quarter, we should expect 21% to 23% flow-through to gross profit dollars? Is that right? Is that how I interpret what you said?

Brent Yeagy

President

That is correct.

Brad Delco

Analyst · Stephens. Please go ahead

And then maybe just one other point of clarification. When you say, raw material headwinds, are you talking about steel, aluminum, HDPE, wood or does that include components? Because I've always felt like the components were maybe more challenging for you guys to pass through, and that's where you could get sort of caught with some raw material pressure or material pressure? So I want to make sure I understand what you mean when you say raw material.

Jeffery Taylor

Management

Generally, Brad, I think we use the more generic and expanded view that you said there which would include components in the definition of, when we say raw materials, unless we specifically call out one of the raw materials like steel or aluminum or something like that. And I think in general, we look at both of those as raw material inputs going into the products.

Brad Delco

Analyst · Stephens. Please go ahead

Okay. I just wanted to make sure. Thanks, guys. Again, Dick congratulations.

Richard Giromini

Management

Thanks, Brad.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Steve Dyer of Craig-Hallum. Please go ahead.

Steve Dyer

Analyst · Craig-Hallum. Please go ahead

Thanks. Good morning. My congratulations and good luck to you, Dick.

Richard Giromini

Management

Thanks, Steve.

Steve Dyer

Analyst · Craig-Hallum. Please go ahead

Just with respect to the pricing actions, it sounds like most of it has sort of been focused on recouping some of the raw material price increases. As you look sort of into the next order season, later this fall, I know that's a little bit away but do you anticipate being able to take some price above and beyond just raw material just given the demand and the industry tightness?

Richard Giromini

Management

Yes, this is Dick. Steve, no. I tried to make that statement in my formal comments. But the actions that have been taken previously were mainly to address some repricing actions for backlog that was already in the books and planning to be built as we proceed through the current quarter and the rest of the year. As new orders were coming up as opportunities, the teams have proactively gone and adjusted pricing to tie to what the market demand is out there now. So there has been multiple actions taken. So the $6 million that both Jeff and I quoted and maybe Brent had comments about it also, was specifically addressing the existing backlog at the time. So any new opportunities that have come up and continue to come up are being priced consistent with what the strong market demand is. And as I stated in my comments, establishing a strong base for 2019 calendar year pricing, which would imply orders or quotes that are coming through and will be coming through that will affect the 2019 calendar year. Brent, do you want to add to that?

Brent Yeagy

President

Yes, I would just say very plainly that the pricing actions that we have taken to date as well as we'll take into the future specifically, for any fourth quarter open production. And then as we move into 2019, have a very focused on and acting on taking additional margin plus recovering raw materials. And we're acting on that right now. The market allows that to occur. There is no argument to that. And it's a very similar game plan that we used in 2015 that worked very well for us.

Richard Giromini

Management

Yes, as I - this is Dick, again. As I have stated numerous times over the past several years, volume leads margin. So 2017 demand environment was softer than '15, '16. It did not present the kind of opportunities. In fact, there was pressure, downward pressure on pricing during that period. What we have been seeing in the past several months now is a much stronger environment. So the volume has come and now the margin, or AKA [ph] pricing opportunities, follow. And so we're in that same type of environment, a very similar environment that what we experienced as we were getting into the 2016 pricing season, which was the second half of 2015, and into 2016, which led to some very attractive margin opportunities then and it's very similar in nature today and those were the comments that Brent shared a little earlier.

Steve Dyer

Analyst · Craig-Hallum. Please go ahead

Yes, that's helpful. I was going to say it reminds me of the 2015, '16 setup. I guess, that brings up kind of the question of what kind of a -- the industry unit number is your guidance for this year based on because it seems to be some differing opinion between some of the forecasters and some of the manufacturers and the component manufacturers, as to sort of what the industry will bear this year in terms of a number?

Richard Giromini

Management

Yes, as we stated, you've got -- FTR is out there at 305,000 total units produced and ACT has recently come out with a 320,000 unit produce number. I should clarify for folks, ACT always would report in the past shipments, while FTR has consistently been forecasting production units. ACT, a couple of months ago, shifted over to standardized production. So both ACT and FTR now report production, so they're in line there. What the challenge is, is can the supplier community meet those kind of demand requirements and that's the challenge that everyone knows. We know, back in 2015 and '16 time frame, trying to meet the kind of demand that the industry had at that time was stressing the supplier community, and we're seeing some of those same challenges. Fortunately, Wabash is given, in many cases, preferential treatment, if you will, on supply. So we have not seen as much of a challenge as some of the smaller players are contending with. But there can be interruptions when you get into this kind of strong overall demand environment. And that's what we're trying to allude to a little earlier. Brent, you want to add to that?

Brent Yeagy

President

Yes, what I would add is I would bridge that with your first question. As Dick alluded to, with the supplier-related issues within the industry, demand could actually be in that 320 range. But production feels much more like the 305 number plus or minus 3,000 to 5,000 units, give or take. And that's very similar to what the supply base was capable of doing during the 2015 time frame. Supply base hasn't added any substantial capacity during the last several years. And if anything, it's stressed even further with the added truck demand and record low unemployment or employment availability might be a better way of saying it. So what we - what I think could be anticipated to a degree is that, that demand is going to flow into 2019 and allow for an improved environment relative to pricing during that period, just as there's a relative scarcity of production so...

Richard Giromini

Management

Again, similar to - this is Dick, again. Again, similar to what we experienced in '15 and '16 as volume flowed into the following year when capacity was limited from a supplier community.

Steve Dyer

Analyst · Craig-Hallum. Please go ahead

Got it. And then lastly for me and I'll jump back in the queue. I know how much you guys love the cycle question, but it seems to be kind of a constant worry or pushback among investors. We've had a pretty good run here, but it still seems like, I guess, like 2019 sets up to be an extremely favorable year, if for no other reason other than -- it seems like you guys are pretty much booked through this year. There is still sort of plenty of pent-up demand. So any color just on sort of how you're feeling about, I guess CTP and Final Mile in particular over the next call it, 2, 3 years?

Richard Giromini

Management

That's a long perspective. Certainly in CTP, our views are consistent with what you just shared. We certainly believe 2019 will continue to be a strong year of demand for the CTP part of the business, the van part of the business. On the Final Mile side, I still continue to strongly believe, as we've discussed in the past, it's a tremendous growth industry, e-commerce, Final Mile, home delivery, all of those factors driving tremendous growth for equipment, double-digit growth year-over-year. I may have shared in the last call maybe -- if I didn't, I will share it now. Just as an example, Cyber Monday, this past year, ended up having year-over-year growth of 17.8%, that's a tremendous increase in folks getting more and more comfortable with ordering online and having those items delivered. And that's again, going back, that's what attracted us as we studied the markets, the emerging trends some years ago. That's what ended up attracting us to get into the truck bodies space and then ultimately, attracted us to acquire the Supreme business to help take that to the next level and give us a presence in effectively now all classes of product that we can participate in, and continue to grow with it.

Steve Dyer

Analyst · Craig-Hallum. Please go ahead

Thanks, guys.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Mike Baudendistel of Stifel. Please go ahead.

Mike Baudendistel

Analyst · Stifel. Please go ahead

Thank you, and congratulations Dick. I just wanted to ask you - because the Final Mile segment is still a little new to us, I mean if you could talk a little bit about the margin trajectory, I mean -- I think Jeff said that it looks like those margins improved significantly over the course of the year. But just how you think about sort of a normalized margin for that business.

Jeffery Taylor

Management

Yes. Michael, this is Jeff. So we've certainly -- I mean, in the first two quarters, we've had that business. We've tried to report the -- obviously, the GAAP margins. But then, we also tried to adjust those for acquisition and integration costs that have been flowing through the P&L. Most of that has come through in the first two quarters. So going forward, hopefully, it would be a little cleaner. We certainly see -- when Supreme was managing that business, the business operated at a gross margin that was north of 20%. And certainly, our view is that business will return to and should perform at that level going forward. And so not saying that next quarter, it's going to be there, but this is a very strong quarter with the pickup in fleet season for the business, overall. And then obviously, longer term, as we grow the business and capture synergies, then we'll look for continuing to grow and expand the performance there.

Brent Yeagy

President

Yes and what I would echo, and then add to is, again, we'll see labor inefficiencies continue to reduce as we ramp up the business. We'll see purchasing synergies begin to flow through on a more substantial basis as we move through the year. Other manufacturing-related synergies will exceed implementation costs as we move forward throughout the year. And we talked about being able to see that as we come into 2019. So we feel very positive that we'll see that point be in the margin as we move forward property throughout 2018.

Mike Baudendistel

Analyst · Stifel. Please go ahead

Great. Thank you. Just wanted to ask you also -- can you give us some sense of how many build slots are open for the remainder of the year in terms of dry vans and reefers, I mean, the industry data makes it seem like it's pretty close to full. And I know there is uncertainty related to suppliers and so forth. But any thoughts there just to help us frame expectations for orders for the remainder of the year?

Brent Yeagy

President

What I would say is that the industry in general has pressure to begin to fill in the first quarter of 2019, as we sit here today. We're working diligently to not only use the labor that is brought into the business to make it as efficient as possible, but we're also looking to create as many additional folk slots as we possibly can specifically in the second half of the year. Time will tell as to either one, we can execute on that and two, can the supply base actually meet the increased expectations? And it's yet to be determined what the constraint will be but I think, we've already alluded to our largest concern is the supply base and we'll work to that constraint, manage cost and capacity accordingly. Safe to say though, the entire industry is focused on 2019 right now as to filling in that backlog.

Mike Baudendistel

Analyst · Stifel. Please go ahead

Okay. So you've opened -- if I'm interpreting this correctly, you're opening the order books for 2019 earlier in a year than you typically would?

Brent Yeagy

President

I think we're seeing pressures across the industry. Some competitors are moving forward with that. Wabash is taking a much more measured approach as we manage our customer base, and that's really all I want to say to that today.

Mike Baudendistel

Analyst · Stifel. Please go ahead

Got it. That’s all I have. Thank you.

Brent Yeagy

President

Thanks, Michael.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And our last question is from Mike Shlisky of Seaport Global. Please go ahead.

Mike Shlisky

Analyst · Seaport Global. Please go ahead

Good morning, guys. I wanted to ask about the repricing actions. I mean, I imagine those were some very tough conversations to have with some of your customers. I was kind of wondering if you can give me a sense of how they took those kinds of requests and whether that's been an action that you think other companies have taken in the industry, that help soften the blow with Wabash?

Brent Yeagy

President

Well, what I can tell you first, is that Wabash led and first out of the gate in any level of pricing action relative to new trailer quoting as well as repricing any backlog that was in the system. Some of our competition has followed suit accordingly. As you alluded to, some of those conversations are not the most pleasant in the world. But I think, what we have done and have shown the fruits of building relationships, deep relationships, with some of the most strategic customers in the industry. We're very transparent with them and we've been having this conversation leading up to this moment. So we had a high degree of success in passing along those costs once we were able to make that argument, and that's reflected in the number that we have shared as well as the actions that are -- we're continuing to take as we fill in the backlog in '18 and move into 2019.

Mike Shlisky

Analyst · Seaport Global. Please go ahead

Okay. I also wanted to ask about the overtime cost you've had and additional labor cost here. If I think about other employers in the Lafayette area, other big employers that are industrial, I always got the sense that they're actually having a very solid year themselves, some of the bigger machinery and material makers over there. How confident are you that there is an appropriate number of people to build all of your trailers for 2018, given that the other people out there in the town are actually seeing some pretty strong trends themselves?

Brent Yeagy

President

That's a great question. And first, let me remind everyone that we have operations all across the country that we're executing to add labor; we're ramping effectively all locations at this point. In our previous call, we talked about benefit and compensation actions that we took at the end of 2017 to set up our ability to attract and retain additional labor in anticipation of a strong environment. We are very pleased in our execution as to the vast majority of labor required to meet the demand requirements that we see for 2018 and 2019 are substantially already in place and our levels of retainment had generally met our expectations as we sit here today. While there's some additional labor that we'll add in the second quarter, we are substantially complete in that labor influx. So we feel pretty good in where we sit right now.

Richard Giromini

Management

This is Dick. Our HR staffing and recruiting team have done an outstanding job of putting a really structured process in place to improve the ability to identify, interview, vet and then actually extend offers in a very efficient fashion and we've been very successful with that over the past several months.

Mike Shlisky

Analyst · Seaport Global. Please go ahead

Okay. And then, I wanted to also ask about the reefer business. You did mention that you had a lower average selling price because of a few reefers in the quarter. But this seems very strong orders in that category. There seems to be a secular shift going on to more fresh food deliveries across the U.S. So I was kind of curious, is your backlog a little bit more skewed toward that category going forward? And can you give us a sense as to how that might work for 2019? If that keeps on going throughout next year, with some of your new products gotten kind of coming out there, is there a chance we would see some good share gains starting in 2019?

Brent Yeagy

President

So let me impact that question a little bit. First, the ASP impact that we saw in the first quarter was just relative to some transient mix issues with reefer volume compared year-over-year was somewhat down. Overall, we're in a position where we think that we -- what we know that we believe we're picking up market share in specifically, refrigerated vans in 2018. That's reflected in our longer-term guidance. Specifically, related to the phenomenon with more retail delivery of food-related products, that's not just a van-related issue that's probably more primarily focused on our S&P or Final Mile products group, which is seeing a significant amount of pressure for increased demand for our refrigerated-related product. And we're acting on that and that's part of our longer-term growth strategy. Coupled with the deployment of molded structural composite technology, which we think provides substantial value for those entering into that retail delivery space as well as enhanced operating performance for those that are already in it. So we're clearly positioning for that and yes, we should start to see some relative impact to revenue growth in 2019 and beyond relative to our ability to serve that market.

Jeffery Taylor

Management

I was just going to say, Michael. Yes, this is Jeff. The reefer volume was just down slightly Q1 over the prior year. It's within normal variation and as Brent said, we expect our reefer volume and market share to improve this year. So it's nothing to be concerned about.

Mike Shlisky

Analyst · Seaport Global. Please go ahead

Super. And just so I know, if you sell one of those units, is the actual chiller [ph] unit a pass-through to you? Or do you -- can you make any profit on that as you deliver it?

Jeffery Taylor

Management

We typically purchase the refrigeration unit directly from one of those companies that supply those. So on the majority of the equipment we sell, we sell the trailer and then the refrigeration unit is purchased by the customer from one of the other suppliers. Occasionally, we will source a refrigeration unit and that's generally a pass-through, we charge for the handling and installation of the equipment but there is not a significant mark-up on that.

Mike Shlisky

Analyst · Seaport Global. Please go ahead

Okay, got it. Perfect. Thank you. And Dick, all the best. Thank you.

Richard Giromini

Management

Thanks, Mike.

Operator

Operator

Thank you I will now turn the call back over to Dick Giromini for closing remarks.

Richard Giromini

Management

Well, thank you for your interest in and support of Wabash National Corporation. Brent and Jeff certainly look forward to speaking with all of you again on our next call. Thanks again to all of you for your support of me. It's been a great run and I have absolutely enjoyed every moment of it. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And thank you, ladies and gentlemen. This concludes today's conference. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.